/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Truth.

[「ロリあき」 No.]

Damascus steel scimitars were here, nihon-to are losers

[Anonymous No.]

Is this copypasta still popular on /tg/?

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese swords are folded to increase strength. However, this was only necessary because of the exceptionally poor quality of Japanese iron. A katana, even a masterwork, can only strike bone half a dozen times before it is rendered absolutely useless. A European longsword is far more durable.

[Anonymous No.]

One day I'd like to have a sword collection. I wouldn't buy a Katana.

[Anonymous No.]

Swords are absolute twaddle. Every major battle was fought and won with polearms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124227
Polearms aren't very stylish though.

[Anonymous No.]

Spears beat swords anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124232
nor very usefull for defensive movements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124232
Hah.

[Anonymous No.]

糞スレほいほい

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124232
A massive pointy phalanx is far cooler than some nerd and his gay last-resort sword.

[「ロリあき」 No.]

>>8124241
Their length compensates for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>implying bows werent the samurai's choice of weapons
>implying longbows didnt impact every major battle since their inception
>implying mongols were not horsemounted gods of the battlefield

[「ロリあき」 No.]

>>8124267
Despite your greentext and implying, you're absolutely right.
I'm so conflicted.

[Anonymous No.]

Can katanae cut through other katanae?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124285
What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124285
>katanae
Haha, look at that baka. The plural of katana is obviously katanii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124312
katanii-chan

[Anonymous No.]

My European penis can also cut through everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124285
Yes. They can cut through anything, but there aren't any promises of them not getting cut by something else.

[Anonymous No.]

Railguns can cut through millions of katana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124514
I propose a railgun firing katanas.

[Anonymous No.]

Where can you get one of these?
They can cut through Akasha.

[Anonymous No.]

Kids, remember that knifes are for food, sticks with a blade in the tip are used to keep animals away or kill them.
People these days have nukes, these ones cut atoms and burn shit, don't get carried away aspies.

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>>8124227
>>8124241
Not really relevant but it made me think of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Brc50uu41w&t=0m40s

[Anonymous No.]

But can it cut through itself

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>8124523
The Seventh Holy Scripture is a treatise against the blasphemy of reincarnation. It's a conceptual weapon that prevents a soul from escaping its fated dissolution and return to the Akashic Record.

It's not an anti-Akashic weapon. It's actually the opposite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124699
So does that mean Ciel can kill servants?
Throne of heroes is tied to Akashic record isn't it?

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>8124705
You didn't understand a word of what I said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124699
Then why is Ciel considered a deadly match for 5th Caster when Medea is considered the worst match against humans if Ciel is equipped with the 7th Sacrament?

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>8124720
Ciel would only win if she immediately went into a physical confrontation, like Rin did, and horsewhipped the shit out of Medea until Medea was dead.

Medea is infinitely better at thaumaturgy than Ciel or Rin. Church rites do nothing worth mentioning against Servants. All the little tricks she picked up from Roa won't help her. The Seventh Holy Scripture would be able to cause damage, as it is a true conceptual weapon formed from a unicorn horn and a girl's soul, but would have no effect on servants in any way, seeing as servants are not true reincarnations of their original, but just copies made semi-permanent by the power of the Grail and Third Magic. The effect of preventing reincarnation also requires the effect of making the target dead, first.

Ciel's only advantage against Medea is her inhuman speed and strength, and her willingness to kill as fast as possible, which runs contrary to Medea's predilections towards sadism and grandstanding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124740
So she would kill her with a sneak attack?
Fucking servants never stood a chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124740
Actually, Nasu said it was an all-out magic battle, not really a melee one.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>8124750
No. She wouldn't get involved in the first place. The Burial Agency doesn't care about servants or the magi's grail war, at least as far as it being an official Church matter. If the whole thing goes nuclear, it takes out a portion of Japan. No big loss, since the Church doesn't care about the Japanese, since the majority are atheists. There's no Dead Apostles involved in the war, and no infecting bloodsuckers, so it's not a matter of purging. There are heretical magi involved, but they're busy killing themselves, which is basically a huge double thumbs up from the Church's perspective. If they actually reach the Origin, which the Church probably doesn't even know about as the purpose, the magus will in question will probably be destroyed by the resulting reveal, meaning no loss.

They would be interested in containing Angra Mainyu if they knew about him, seeing as he's a gigantic, infecting death blight, but they don't, and they wouldn't be able to deploy until it was already too late.

Ciel would "take" Shiki on a "trip" to India if she thought he was in danger of a massive Grail meltdown.

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>>8124740
>The effect of preventing reincarnation also requires the effect of making the target dead, first.

What's the big-ass spike on that thing for if it can't do that?

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>8124768
A low-end conceptual weapon, in comparison to lots of others used by servants. Seven is a result of Ciel remodeling the original, increasing its offensive output. It's still not a Noble Phantasm-level weapon, though. Berserker wouldn't even be hurt by it. It's just really awesome and incredibly adorable.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>8124768
Well it's a pilebunker.

You gotta have the spike.

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>>8124766

>If they actually reach the Origin, which the Church probably doesn't even know about as the purpose, the magus will in question will probably be destroyed by the resulting reveal, meaning no loss.

That applies to every other method of reaching the Root, not to the Holy Grail.

It bores a hole in reality with sheer fucking power, the Counter Force doesn't intervene (and couldn't anyway, as the champion of the grail has prana beyond measure to blow them up at his/her leisure).

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>8124829
Seeing as it never functions as intended and fails every time they try to use it for its original purpose, one can't even say for sure that it would even work as designed. The Counter Force would have surely intervened in an actual success, and likely would've intervened if Angra Mainyu had managed to get free. That's a calamity-level event right there.

The whole fallacy of attempting to reach the Origin is that you can't return as you. Even if a magus saw it, what would he take from it? Insufficient ability to process.

It would be like a germ getting access to the controls to remake reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8124856

>The Counter Force would have surely intervened in an actual success

There WAS an actual success though. Heaven's Feel had that occur.

>and likely would've intervened if Angra Mainyu had managed to get free. That's a calamity-level event right there.

That's another event. I'm saying it couldn't intervene with the "normal" function because it was designed to spit in the face of the Counter Force and everything reality stands for.

>Seeing as it never functions as intended and fails every time they try to use it for its original purpose, one can't even say for sure that it would even work as designed.

I'm just saying how it would have been if it worked as designed, which indeed never happened.

>The whole fallacy of attempting to reach the Origin is that you can't return as you. Even if a magus saw it, what would he take from it? Insufficient ability to process.

Well, the reason people die is because the Counter Force blows them up. Normally this is through natural methods, dragging an errant magus to the detection of the church, things like that, but in the most disastrous is the summoning of the Counter Guardians. Magi find errant loopholes and tricks and get obliterated for not being able to handle it.
But the holder of the Holy Grail has a nearly infinite wealth of prana that can outweigh the entire world for an almighty wish. It's a different matter entirely.

>It would be like a germ getting access to the controls to remake reality.

Well, Einsbern doesn't really care about the root of knowledge. They just want their Sorcery back. Zouken's forgotten about it too, and just wants immortality.

[Anonymous No.]

I thought people like Zelretch reached the root.

Then for some reason they stopped being able to.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>8124915
That wasn't a success. That was Angra Mainyu's corruption attempting to exit the grail and bring an end to life. Even the ending is just Illya using the degraded Third Magic she emulated to incarnate Shirou's soul.

>But the holder of the Holy Grail has a nearly infinite wealth of prana that can outweigh the entire world for an almighty wish.

Haha, no. The Fuyuki grail had an enormous power line that it was tapped into, but if Gaia wanted to, it could bring so much hurt onto the area that nothing would survive. The grail never tapped into Origin, it was just Angra Mainyu eating up all available power and turning it into a humongous curse. It's not infinite, it's just so much that a normal magus could never use it in their entire lifetime, simply because they don't have sufficient capacity to process it.

The "working as designed" part requires that the original designers be correct in their design. They took an educated guess that they could do it. It never actually works, so there's no proof that it would have.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>8124931
Zelretch reached into alternate worlds. Nobody has reached the origin of existence.

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>>8124949

>Even the ending is just Illya using the degraded Third Magic she emulated to incarnate Shirou's soul.

That still linked to Akasha. The entire epilogue had a deal where Rin got landed in hot water for "opening a link to Akasha THEN CLOSING IT" which pissed off the entire Clock Tower at once.

>Haha, no. The Fuyuki grail had an enormous power line that it was tapped into, but if Gaia wanted to, it could bring so much hurt onto the area that nothing would survive. The grail never tapped into Origin, it was just Angra Mainyu eating up all available power and turning it into a humongous curse. It's not infinite, it's just so much that a normal magus could never use it in their entire lifetime, simply because they don't have sufficient capacity to process it.

Angra Mainyu fully said it had the capacity to alter the world in Fate/Zero. Albeit the Counter Guardians would have certainly intervened, it still said it had the power to slaughter the entire world until only Kiritsugu, Irisviel, and Ilyasviel were left. I don't think it was lying, but I guess it's everything evil.

>The "working as designed" part requires that the original designers be correct in their design. They took an educated guess that they could do it. It never actually works, so there's no proof that it would have.

It was still a confirmed-success at the end of HF, if only temporarily. And everyone didn't die by counter guardianing.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>8124971
>And everyone didn't die by counter guardianing.

Because nobody was trying to use it to alter anything. And Rin didn't close anything. Illya stepped in and shut it down, then the collapse destroyed the greater grail. Sakura remains influenced by it, and maintains Rider pretty effectively. In the other routes, Rin has the thing dismantled, so there won't be any other events.

>Angra Mainyu fully said it had the capacity to alter the world in Fate/Zero.

It was an infection of everything living, a curse of death. Purge the land, end the curse. Worst case scenario, you eradicate a large portion of Japan by nuking the source.

Angra Mainyu is a damn liar. You're not supposed to listen to it. The entire point of the curse is to bring you to utter despair so much that you don't even want to live, eaten by it in the end.