/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Saber is the worst king of england

[Anonymous No.]

Gott strafe England.
Imperialist scum opressing the noble Gaelic people.

[Anonymous No.]

F/Z Saber > shit > F/SN Saber

[Anonymous No.]

*Queen

[Anonymous No.]

>>8115349
>england

[Anonymous No.]

madoka is shit

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck off dirtbag!

[Anonymous No.]

God save the queen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8115353
shit > Saber

In fact shit would have been much better if Kiritsugu had got a better servant that could work with him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8115960

Einsberns are obsessed. They would only try to get the "strongest" Servant, every time.

3rd war, they try to get Satan.
4th war, King Arthur.
5th war, Herakles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117815
How is that an obsession and not simply a winning battle stratagem? Do you think they should have tried to summon a fair-to-middling servant? Or how about the weakest?

Go the strongest or go home. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get it, can someone explain it to me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117824

That they seek the strongest at the expense of everything else. They shot themselves on the foot with Angra Mainyu in the first place, and then in the other foot when they summoned Herakles as Berserker to try and make him stronger.

>>8117826

Ataraxia is hard to pronounce in japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117824
Because they tried to summon Satan, married a crazed magi killer into the family, and turned Heracles' Mad Enhancement on the moment he was summoned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117836
>>8117837
>Summoning is serious business.
Sure it is. With everything at stake, of course you're going to try for the Grail at the expense of everything else. When you consider the prize, anything less is foolish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117836
The reason for the Berserker thing was because they were pissed about the grail being destroyed, so they made Heracles insane so that he'd never find out that the grail was corrupted and try to destroy it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117843

Yes, but they go too far.

Herakles is a master of combat, making him Berserker for extra power (which he doesn't need, as his stats are already superb) is futility.

Summoning all that is evil in the world is a stupid fucking idea in the first place.

They literally had their best bet with King Arthur, their second gamble with the magus killer is what backfired then.

Oh, and the whole Ahriman thing already having fucked everything up forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117858

Was that ever really said? I thought they were just trying to make the strongest servant stronger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117859
Did the Einsberns know at that time that the Grail was bullshit? I thought Kiritsugu was the first to find out.

Pic related, it's the Magus Killer doing what he does best: not giving a shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117871

If they know, they don't care. Rightly so: even if Angra Mainyu gets released, the grail still links to Akasha and gets them their sorcery. Jubstacheit would gleefully sacrifice the entire human race to re-achieve Heaven's Feel.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anybody tell me about Gilgamesh and Angra Mainyu, please? I already know what happened, but it feels so awesome when I read it from somebody else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117884
This ties into the recurring theme in F/SN:

Mages hate change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117903
During the Fourth Grail War, Emiya Kiritsugu (Saber's Master) shot Kotomine Kirei (Archer's Master), ending the Grail War. Kiritsugu realized the Grail was the ultimate World Troll, and used his final Command Spell to order Saber to destroy the Grail. Although Saber succeeded in destroying the Grail, Gilgamesh managed to taint himself in the Grail's pollution before its destruction.

The Grail is supposed to taint whomever bathes in it with "All The Sins Of The World" but Gilgamesh's ego was so prevalent he managed to come out relatively unscathed.

Gilgamesh fanboys claim that the Grail actually did corrupt Gilgamesh, in light of the Manner Thrugh Which He Kept Himself Alive in the ten year interim between the Fourth and Fifth Holy Grail Wars, and his Lewd Intentions Towards Saber. But the truth is that Gilgamesh was always kind of a tremendous douchebag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117952
Oh God, yes. *fap fap fap*

Now tell me about THOSE 2 parts (one in fate, and one in heaven's feel) in the fifth grail war. They're my favourite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117815
>3rd war, they try to get Satan

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117963
Well, I'll do Heaven's Feel.

Working together with Servant Rider, who along with Illyasviel von Einzbern noticed Emiya Shirou's Slow Descent Into Insanity, Shirou manages to prevail against Saber Alter, who was corrupted by the Holy Grail. Realizing he has Little Time in which to Act, Shirou straddles Saber Alter and holds the knife above her heart.

...

He is unable to kill her. Staying True To His Belief that everybody can be saved, he does not take advantage of his position. Saber Alter finishes regenerating, and for the First Time hates her Former Master. About to kill him, she is interrupted in her aim and summoned back to Matou Sakura for an, at this time, Unknown Reason.

Progressing to Matou Sakura, the woman Emiya Shirou loves, he is appalled to realize that, due to Saber Alter's intervention, Tohsaka Rin was unsuccessful in defeating Sakura, her Sister. Crushed to realize his Altruistic Beliefs failed to save both his Former Servant and his Friend, Sakura tells him that she is making Rin suffer through All The Torments through which she herself suffered when she was first sold to the Matou Family.

Matou Sakura proceeds to consume Emiya Shirou, where he spends the Rest of Eternity sharing indescribable torment with his friend Tohsaka Rin.

People call this a Bad End, but honestly, this is my favorite Heaven's Feel end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118049
Huh... Thanks for the effort, but that's not what I meant. I meant what happened to Gilgamesh. You know, how he couldn't be turned into a dark version of himself, because he's just too good to be corrupted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117952

>The Grail is supposed to taint whomever bathes in it with "All The Sins Of The World" but Gilgamesh's ego was so prevalent he managed to come out relatively unscathed.

>Gilgamesh fanboys claim that the Grail actually did corrupt Gilgamesh, in light of the Manner Thrugh Which He Kept Himself Alive in the ten year interim between the Fourth and Fifth Holy Grail Wars, and his Lewd Intentions Towards Saber. But the truth is that Gilgamesh was always kind of a tremendous douchebag.

Gilgamesh was not and cannot be "corrupted", but the influence of the grail distorted his jackassery to a slightly higher degree.
He can carry all the evils in the world (where basically anyone else would be crushed and die, and other heroes fall to their knees and become corrupt), but he's not perfectly IMMUNE to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118080
>I actually wanted an Awesome Gilgamesh story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118080

In Heaven's Feel, Sakura took him into the Shadow then tore him apart with the shade giants. She could not corrupt him, and if she tried to wait and "digest" him into prana, he would have torn his way out of the Shadow by force. She basically had to ambush him when he let his guard down and execute him immediately.

She then ate his remains for all the prana she could get (much less than if she could have "digested" him).

[Anonymous No.]

>>8117952
>Gilgamesh fanboys claim that the Grail actually did corrupt Gilgamesh, in light of the Manner Thrugh Which He Kept Himself Alive in the ten year interim between the Fourth and Fifth Holy Grail Wars, and his Lewd Intentions Towards Saber. But the truth is that Gilgamesh was always kind of a tremendous douchebag.

Which Gil fanboys say that? I thought they liked him because he's a douchebag. And he already wanted to fuck Saber in Fate/Zero before he came in contact with the Grail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118112
Yeaaah. Amazing. Gilgamesh is just amazing. I can't think of a single character, real or fictive, that I love more. I think I'll start working out, be a righteous asshole, and dye my hair blond just to be more like him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118112

I would have found HF to be massively improved if halfway through the Dark Sakura interlude that Gilgamesh just ripped his way out of her stomach raving and screaming about how all the mongrels will die for this insult.

[Anonymous No.]

it's a woman,

what did you expect?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118166
That should've been saved for the finale, after the Dark Saber scene.
Have him manage to take Rin and Rider out too, and the route just improved infinitely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118382
It could never top the Kotomine and Shirou brawl.

[thoughtless celestial No.]

What about Henry VIII?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118391
That scene is pretty shitty to be quite honest.
Which is why I forgot it occurs.
Ideally it'd go Dark Saber > Kotomine > Gilgamesh Womb Busting.

[Anonymous No.]

Blonde/"ginger"/redhead = indirect product of the Viking hordes, one of the many, many historical contributions to the "British" national "race."

[thoughtless celestial No.]

>>8118416
>only vikings had red hair
historically speaking, what happened when? arthur rule or the viking invasion?

[Anonymous No.]

I dunno, I mean when you compare her to kings with the subtitles "the Mad" or "the Butcher" she doesn't seem that horrible.

Oh king James you were a crazy little man.

[Anonymous No.]

The worst kings were the ones that were conquered by the Dutch and Normans. Saber defeated would-be conquerors and her actions spared her people from invaders for hundreds of years.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>8118419

Arthur, 400-600 AD or earlier depending on version.
Vikings, roughly 700-1000 AD depending on the proper definition of "vikings", but not earlier.

Then again, at least as far as legends go there seems to have been redheads on the British isles prior to the vikings. Cuchullain supposedly had bright red hair, although it's mysteriously missing in FSN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118423
I see an epithet of his being, "King James, the wisest fool in Christendom." Was there anything else besides the witch hunts?

[Necrobrotent No.]

>>8118440
Didn't Scathe have red hair as well? I remember someone else in the cycle having it mentioned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118442
Depends on the James, there was the inbred little kid James who was batshit as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118448

Scathach was described as fiery and clothed in red. Her hair color was unknown. Conlaoch, Cuchulainn's son, inherited most of his looks and probably had red hair as well. Certainly so if Scathach (and thus, her twin sister Aífe, Conlaoch's father) had red hair as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118448

Scathach was described as fiery and clothed in red. Her hair color was unknown. Conlaoch, Cuchulainn's son, inherited most of his looks and probably had red hair as well. Certainly so if Scathach (and thus, her twin sister Aífe, Conlaoch's mother) had red hair as well.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>8118448

Scathach? Not sure, but possible. Don't think it was mentioned - understandably since at the point in the story where she appears, Scathach is already at least middle aged.

But yes, there were others. Celtic myth is full of blondes and redheads, although it's hard to separate which of them are described as having actual blonde or red hair, and which have "fair", "golden" or "flaming" hair as an indication of some divine heritage or special destiny.

[Necrobrotent No.]

>>8118464
Ah, its been a while since I've read the Ulster cycle.

I've been reading alot of Polynesian mythology as of late for a campaign setting.

[Anonymous No.]

"all people who live outside the borders of rome and dont speak our divine language is thought of less of a human being and a barbarian!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118488
Polynesian mythology is excellent. I take it you went through Maui and his vagina-climbing exploits?

>>8118464
Speaking of Aife, good heavens is there anyone in Ireland that Cu Chulainn didn't fuck?

Isn't it sad, Morrigan?

[Anonymous No.]

Best girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>8119899
leave us alone!

[Anonymous No.]

>>8119886
>Speaking of Aife, good heavens is there anyone in Ireland that Cu Chulainn didn't fuck?

One day I hope someone makes an eroge about Cu Chulainn's life. It'd be great.
Homolust Laeg route included.

[Anonymous No.]

>Panties
>In imperial rome
Yea right

[Anonymous No.]

>>8120405
I don't know what we'd do without you, anon.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>8120358

No Ferdiad bromance route?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8118434
But her people were conquered and colonised by the Anglo-Saxons.

The only celtic parts left were Wales and Cornwall.

The Norman conquest was just a change in the nobles and William of Orange was invited to be king.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8120421
No.
Ferdiad would be a main heroine with multiple personalities, one manly warrior man one, and one clumsy deredere girl one. During the early part of they game, they'd be in struggle with the other half, in a contest for Cu Chulainn's affection. The man half would be in a completely platonic manly warrior man bro way, of course, where as the girl half would be in the usual way of stories involving Cu Chulainn.

Of course, once the plot gets to the Tain part of the story, at the battle in the ford, depending on how what choices you've made, Ferdiad either dies, or only the manly man Ferdiad personality does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8115894
It's Britain, not England, right?