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Otaku Culture,
Do you like Tsukihime or Fate/Stay Night more?

>> No.8077895

Fate/Stay Night should not even be mentioned in the same sentence. Arcueid is trash.

>> No.8077899

They're both excellent.

>> No.8077902

>>8077895
Carnival Phantasm's opening bit was better than anything in the series, except maybe the alternative Grail War game show, which actually was pretty decent.

>> No.8077921

Shit, right?

>> No.8077966

>>8077895
No, you are the one who's a piece of trash unworthy of the space it occupies.

>> No.8077984
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Tsukihime, but that's just my opinion.

>> No.8077994

They're both trash. At least FSN had voices and better art.

>> No.8078011

I only liked one route in FSN but I liked all the routes in Tsukihime.
So the choice is easy

>> No.8078023

Both of them have their good points.

>> No.8078024

>>8077864
FSN

>> No.8078033

FSN has a more intricate plot, better characters, and better eroge.

>> No.8078046
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The girls in FSN are far superior to those of Tsukihime (except Akiha and Kohaku).

>> No.8078133

HF > Tsukihime > rest of Fsn

>> No.8078143
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8078143

F/SN has superior heroes.

Tsukihime has superior villains.

Nrvnqsr is awesome.

>> No.8078147

Fuck Tsukihime and Fate,i want a Kara no Kyoukai reference (and NRVNQSR getting more screentime too)

>> No.8078155
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8078155

I prefer the one with White Len

>> No.8078161

>>8078143
>F/SN has superior heroes.
>Tsukihime has superior villains.

You have it all backwards.

Kotomine and Gil > Roa and Nrvnqsr
Arc, Akiha and Kohaku > Saber, Rin and Sakura

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>>8078143
>Nrvnqsrjetwfsg
Someone punched his keyboard?

>> No.8078165

>>8078161
I think he counts the Melty blood villain too,but don't quote me on that.

>> No.8078164

>>8078161
From my point of view, Kotomine and Gil are the heroes.

>> No.8078180

Characters: FSN > Tsukihime. Kotomine is manliness.

Plot: Can't really say myself. I'd probably go with Tsukihime as most routes kept me drawn in. HF was a fucking chore to get to the awesome in particular.

Atmosphere: Tsukihime hands down. Also, Tsukihime/KnK is much better than FSN is use as a PnP RPG.

>> No.8078192

Fate: 6/10
UBW: 7/10
HF: 9/10

Arc: 7/10
Ciel: 7/10
Akiha: 8/10
Hisui: 8.5/10
Kohaku: 8/10

>> No.8078204

>>8078192
I'd bump up UBW by one and get Ciel down to 6 by otherwise I pretty much agree

>> No.8078207

>>8078204
Who does everybody hate Ciel? I'll never understand this. Maybe it's because of my religion fetish, but she's my favourite.

>> No.8078209

>>8078207
Why does*

My bad.

>> No.8078212

>>8078207
I like Ciel, I just didn't like her route.

>> No.8078218

>>8078212
funny, I dislike Ciel but I found her route to be actually decent.

>> No.8078227

>>8078207
I think Ciel is a good character but not a good heroine

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>>8078165

I do.

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>> No.8078265

Tsukihime because Akiha and Kohaku.

>> No.8078323

>>8078147
Give me a VN based on KnK's setting and I can die happy.

>> No.8079155

>>8077966
I was just kiddin'.

>> No.8079165

I love fan/wank more.
Ughughhhuhgg I'm almost at my limit. Anyone want to finish me?

>> No.8079181

>>8078161
are you insinuating that Kohaku was a heroine?

>> No.8079190

>Do you like Tsukihime or Fate/Stay Night more?

No, I don't.

>> No.8079225

Opinions time.

Arc>Saber>Ciel>Rider>Hisui>Rin>Kohaku>>>>Sakura>>>>>Sac
chin>>>>>My Dog>>>>>>>Akiha

>> No.8079227

>>8079181
It sounds to me like you're suggesting that people who don't follow your specific delusion are insane, but let me assure you, it's quite the opposite.

>> No.8079239

Tsukihime.

>> No.8079249

>>8077864
I dislike FSN the least of the two.

>> No.8079253

>>8077864
tsukihime, i rather read romance then a convoluted king of the hill story, ubw&rin is pretty good though!

>> No.8082257
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Tsukihime.
Better pacing, the characters were more rounded out (rather than a buildup of just three heroines), and Shiki will always be my favorite MC. Many threads have I devolved into servant killing shenanigans.

FS/N has Kotomine, Lancer, and illyasviel though, but the overall story is kinda meh.

>> No.8082264

>>8079227
don't make me pull out my knife. *pulls out knife*

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>>8078242

>> No.8082416

Tsukihimay and FSN are about on same level in my book.

Turkeyhandle:
+ Less aggravatingly shittarded hero
+ None of the girls made me want to chainsaw their faces off
+ One actually pretty good plot twist

- Very dated and low-tech
- The five routes are mostly just two routes with minor differences
- It's very hard to describe Arc without using the "M.S." words

FSN:
+ Prettier
+ Longer
+ At least its characters make me feel something, even if it's constant anger

- Shirou is so goddamn stupid I want to kill all his living parts and it feels like some kind of a biblical punishment to have to play as him
- Rin never dies no matter how hard I wish her to
- Several other aggravating characters never get their due punishment, I don't know if this is some kind of a misguided attempt to be edgy on Nasu's part or if he really thinks they're not shitheads

>> No.8082423

>>8082416
And here I am with Shirou as my favourite VN character

>> No.8082474

Tsukihime pros/cons:
+++++ Akiha
+++++ Kohaku
- godawful soundtrack
- Takeuchi art
- Nasu writing style

F/sn pros/cons:
+++ Rin
+++ Ilya
+++++ Kotomine
--- Shirou
- Takeuchi art
- Nasu writing style

I think this one goes to Tsukihime. I don't care about things like a primitive game engine, just the overall experience.

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>>8082416
FSN would have been better if it was about Saver and Ayaka.

>> No.8082482

I always thought that Shirou is quite tolerable. People seem to forget that Shiki was prone to idiocy as well.

>> No.8082494

>>8082474
Hey, get that autism under control dude, Ilya is shit tier.

>> No.8082488

>>8082484
No, it would've taken the insanely shitty route every single Shoujo takes. I bet you think Kimi no tokode is even remotely readable.

>> No.8082510

>>8082482

Shiki was slightly irrational on occasion, usually due to his demon hunter blood boiling over.

Shirou is a perfect storm of stupidity and does the opposite of the smart thing at every single turn.

The fucking last straw was when he didn't let me kill Ilya back when he had absolutely no reason whatsoever to spare the murderous, torture-happy nightmare loli.

>> No.8082507

>>8082488
Not him, but kimi ni todoke is a good series, take your shit taste some other board.

>>>/a/

>> No.8082516

>>8082510
illya is a good girl.

>> No.8082519

>>8082510
That's completely sensible since Ilya is a miracle of the universe. I think you may be the disturbed one.

>> No.8082522

>>8082510
Okay, so Shiki gets a free pass, despite not nearly being as broken as a person as Shirou, which makes the common sense of the world incompatible with his world view.

>> No.8082527

Ilya not having a roue was horrible. when Shirou gets kidnapped and taken to her castle, he should've just gone and started nailin' little bitches.

In her own frilly bed, all over her teddy bears and shit.

>> No.8082529
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8082529

Rather prefer Tsukihime, mostly for the visual design. In terms of plot and writing both are rather hilarious (and mean that in a most complimentary, enjoyable way).

>>8082510

>Shirou is a perfect storm of stupidity

I can't agree entirely, but the way you just put it is nothing short of brilliant.

>> No.8082543

Tsukihime because of the characters.

>> No.8082549

I like the story and main character in Tsukihime more.

All things considered, I don't particularly like either.

>> No.8082568

So...

Could Shiki beat Archer in a fight?

>> No.8082573

>>8082568
Doubtful

>> No.8082576

>>8082568
Cleanly.
Shiki is to damn fast and too damn powerful.

>> No.8082577

>>8082568
nope. Could kill him though.

>> No.8082611

>>8082568
Nah.
Get back to me when he can leap up to skyscrapers in a second, then we'll talk.

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>>8082611
Tohno can in fact kill servants.

When he killed Arcueid, 17 cuts landed in "an instant".
This is on the same level as 5th grail war Asassin's Tsubame Gaeshi. This is in fact canon. Non only that, but Arcueid was not able to notice she was being followed, nor feel any killing intent from Tohno until the blade already killed her. This is on the same level as asassin servant presence concealment.

In the official Tsukihime manga, Shiki was capable of slicing and killing lightning shot at him by Roa. A low estimate of the speed required for this would land at 96,000MPH, which is the atmospheric discharge of lightning at denser levels (closer to lower altitudes.)

Tying together presence concealment, Zelretch level ability (flash sheath), and A class speed, Shiki could in fact stand a chance against most servants. His trump card that would place him above anything summoned under asassin card would be that he essentially has an instant kill move if he ever gets near, making him a very deadly oponent.

To use concrete evidence of Shiki proving himself time and time again, we can look at who in fact he has killed.

Nrvnqsr Chaos the 10th apostle. In one attack Tohno managed to kill all 666 of his lives.

Michael Roa Valdamjong, said to be immortal by traveling between Akasha and back, "reincarnating". Tohno severed his connection to Akasha, erasing his existance.

It's good to take note here, that Servants are tied to the Akashic record in the throne of heroes, which is what allows them to be summoned in the first place. When shiki kills a servant, they can no longer be summoned. Sounds like just the kind of person Archer was looking for.

In the "Talk" side story for Tsukihime, Tohno manged to kill the forest of Einnashe, the seventh dead apostle. He also managed to kill Einnashe's reality marble.

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8082619

Fate,Fate,Fate,Fate,Fate,Fate,Fate,Fate
More Fate please.

>> No.8082622

>>8082613
>Tsukihime manga
Not canon

>> No.8082623

>Shirou missing opportunities to fuck Ilya or Caster or Rider

SHIT FUCKING SUCKS

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>>8082619

Not directed towards you personally, but Lancer's stark blue jumpsuit is probably the biggest reason why I prefer Tsukihime aesthetically.

A bit sad when it's a problem so easily solved. I mean, he looks just plain great without it.

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Tsukihime, because Ciel.

>> No.8082742

>>8082738
Nice try, troll.

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>>8082742
What? What exactly am I trolling about?

>> No.8082752

Type Moon Villain Rankings:

Kohaku > Kotomine > Wallachia > Aoko > Gil > Nero = Roa > SHIKI > Else

This only considers as "villains" people who had actual plans.

>> No.8082754

>>8082752
Kotomine was not a villain.

He was an antagonist.

>> No.8082760

>>8082752
>Aoko
What

>> No.8082767

>>8082754
He's a villain in every sense. A really awesome one.

>> No.8082779

>>8082752
>Aoko
Please exprain.

>> No.8082799

>>8082779
She's the mastermind behind Hologram Summer Redux. Her plan was to use it to create an awesome familiar for herself, and to steal Shiki during the confusion.

She failed.

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Kara no kyoukai>FSN>tsukihime

>> No.8083470

Tsukihime has better characters, a tolerable protagonist, better pacing (not hard), and doesn't steal half of its lore from mythology.

>> No.8083495

>>8082799

I don't know how canon we should take every Melty Blood story past the original.

I know Nasu wrote the original, but I do not know regarding the others.

>> No.8083621

Anyone know where I can get a copy of Realta Nua? The only torrent I could find that was alive is downloading at 13 kB/sec. Id really like a faster alternative.

I want to install F/SN with the voices patch so Ill need a copy of RN.


I tried finding a Type-Moon thread, preferably F/SN, but this was all I found along with a few F/Extra threads.

>> No.8083638

>>8083621
Just get the erogedownload rip

>> No.8083643

>>8083638


What do you refer to?

>> No.8083647

>>8083643
http://erogedownload.com/downloads/fatestay-night/

Learn to search for yourself. Reset your router to switch IPs after each download

>> No.8084148

>>8083495
Aoko doesn't appear in the original, she only appears in RE and AC. And yes, not onlt it was all written by Nasu, but he has also taken care of any inconsistencies so that the events of Melty Blood can have continuity with his previous works.

Nasu: Actually, the original story took place in 1980, a time of "Check it out Soujuurou! The neighboring town built a convenience store!!" "What's a convenience store?" (laughs). The reason for the change in time was mainly to preserve continuity with other TYPE-MOON games. Thinking of Aoko's age in Melty Blood, if we want to have her age make sense, the story has to take place in 1989.

Source here: http://www.tsukikan.com/misc/the-secret-of-mahou-tsukai-no-yorus-birth.html

>> No.8084595

Tsukihime has a better story. Fate is better polished.

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