/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Between IaMP and SWR, Yukari seems to have gotten flatter. I'm sure this has probably occurred with other characters too. Why is Sakuya the only one to become the butt of pad jokes?

[Anonymous No.]

Because she isn't motherly enough to look like she should have them.

[Anonymous No.]

>Between IaMP and SWR, Yukari seems to have gotten flatter

Or maybe your eyes are shit.

[Koshiro No.]

I'm thinking cause the joke would become old if it was told about more characters.

[Anonymous No.]

Mokuba, I...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063666
Pfft, Ran becomes as weak as her master wishes so according to the books, there shouldn't be any conflict at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063673

Not quite. Not following Yukari's orders is supposed to reduce Ran's power. In PCB she is fighting you and directly disobeying Yukari's orders which Yukari claimed can't even be compared to hers. Yet Ran is fighting you as an EX-level boss despite that, and definitely comparable as most of Yukari's spells in PCB were just bigger versions of Ran's.

We learned two things. Yukari doesn't always know what Ran does when she's not around and she either doesn't know how powerful Ran is without her or she was exaggerating the gap between their powers.

[Anonymous No.]

[Koshiro No.]

>>8063684
I would like to know where you learned that.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>8063666
Pretty much this, people like niches. Komachi and Orin both use atai just like Cirno, but they don't get any "Eye am using atai!" treatment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063693

Perfect Memento in a Strict Sense of course, the same book >>8063673 is referencing.

Yukari and for that matter Zun do not give straight answers very often, hence the different interpretations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063721
People actually believe in Akyuu's lies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063726

Sorry, my mistake, it's the other one. Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red. So it's Yukari's possible lies told through Aya's lies.

But if you want official straight from the mouth of Zun... there's Yukari's PCB profile.

>Yukari usually doesn't act on her own, preferring instead to have Ran handle the details of daily life. But, since she is almost always asleep, she has no idea what Ran does while she sleeps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063721
I took it from BAiJR actually.

Ran's a shikigami, the shikigami rules forbid them from being anywhere near as strong as their masters, if their masters wanted to, the shikigami could become as weak as a common animal (in Ran's case, she became a fox and Yukari kicked repeatedly).

>directly disobeying Yukari's orders

Yukari didn't even know Ran was disobeying her until afterwards, the power removal only happens with the master's own will.

>Yet Ran is fighting you as an EX-level boss

When will you people realize that stage doesn't mean anything?

[Anonymous No.]

keep forgetting the pictures

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063744
You just quoted something that contradicts your argument, since Yukari doesn't know what Ran's doing, she can't undo her powers, we can see her doing this very same thing in her BAiJR interview.

Oh and, you can't know if Aya was lying or not in there, after all, she cares about her animal relatives and was bothered by Yukari's apparent animal cruelty.

[Anonymous No.]

So we're talking about Yu Gi Oh, right?

Pegasus > Kaiba > Joey = Tristan > Bakura > everyone else

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063751

>Ran's a shikigami, the shikigami rules forbid them from being anywhere near as strong as their masters

>By following my will, shikigami can achieve power equal to my level.

>Yukari didn't even know Ran was disobeying her until afterwards, the power removal only happens with the master's own will.

Then why wasn't Ran fighting you at Yukari's level if she had complete reign of Yukari's power because Yukari isn't awake to cut her off?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063684
>and definitely comparable as most of Yukari's spells in PCB were just bigger versions of Ran's.

Goddammit, not this again.

Spellcards are NOT a display of power, but beauty, they were made to create equality to all beings and let weaklings fight strong ones at an even level, course, bullet dodging skill and experience still count.

[Koshiro No.]

>>8063771
motherfucker

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063774
You said it yourself, she wasn't following her will.

And again, spellcards aren't a measure of ''power'' by any means, stop mixing them up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063771
People actually watch this shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063762

Yukari claims her shikigami can achieve power equal to her level if they follow her orders. So you're already contradicted on the claim that shikigami are forbidden from having power near their masters.

So if Ran's power stays at the same level as it was before Yukari lost track of what she was doing by going to sleep, Ran's power shouldn't have dropped below that of Yukari's. Yukari says that Ran's power is reduced by taking selfish actions, she doesn't make a distinction between awake or asleep.

And you were the one who questioned why anyone would believe Akyuu's lies. Why should they believe Yukari or Aya? Are they pillars of honesty in this world compared to Akyuu?

[Koshiro No.]

>>8063814

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063814
>And you were the one who questioned why anyone would believe Akyuu's lies. Why should they believe Yukari or Aya? Are they pillars of honesty in this world compared to Akyuu?

That's not me, you should ask first before making yourself look silly.

>Yukari says that Ran's power is reduced by taking selfish actions

There you go, you answered yourself, thank you for saving me some time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063833

Excuse you for butting in to my response to >>8063726 then. Stop responding to posts that don't concern you and you'll reduce the confusion.

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>>8063762

>You just quoted something that contradicts your argument, since Yukari doesn't know what Ran's doing, she can't undo her powers, we can see her doing this very same thing in her BAiJR interview.

>>8063833

Yukari says that Ran's power is reduced by taking selfish actions

>There you go, you answered yourself, thank you for saving me some time.

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So if this is not you contradicting yourself by saying Yukari can't cut off Ran's power because she's not awake and then getting on the side of claiming that Ran's power is affected whether Yukari is awake or not...

Then the Anonymous's of >>8063762 and >>8063833 need to fight this one out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063854
>Excuse you for butting in to my response to >>8063726 then. Stop responding to posts that don't concern you and you'll reduce the confusion.

I'm the only one arguing with you, >>8063726 and >>8063800 are the only posts in this argument not done by me and you confused them with me.

>So if this is not you contradicting yourself by saying Yukari can't cut off Ran's power because she's not awake and then getting on the side of claiming that Ran's power is affected whether Yukari is awake or not...

Uh, I'll just say what I have to say just in case.

Yukari says she can cut her shikigami's power to a mere animal, she ALSO mentions that acting selfishly on her own _without Yukari noticing_ will just _weaken_ Ran, in other words, both cases apply and not just one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

And for those of you claiming that Stage and Spellcards mean nothing....

Of course not, but frankly, what's stopping you from being on the side of saying that Ran/Reimu/Cirno could be more powerful than Yukari?

That's not what I was saying though, but rather that Yukari might not be aware that the gap between them has shrunk in the time since Ran has become a shikigami. Yukari has been hibernating and sleeping from dawn until dusk for quite some time now with Ran doing all of the work.

There's a reason why artists like >>8063666 and >>8063689 have fun with the idea. It's interesting to think that Ran might be hiding her true face from Yukari.

[Anonymous No.]

All this talk about spellcards, I never noticed that Touhou is so much like Yugioh.

[Anonymous No.]

>Yu Gi Oh thread
>Ruined by Touhou shitposters.

Fucking hate you people sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063930
It's a shikigami rule, it says that not even by training could they become stronger than their master, plus Yukari has the whole boundary manipulating business. Warugaki just either doesn't know or doesn't give a shit (most likely the former), but it's fanart, why bother with what happens there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063905

Doesn't it seem strange to you that Yukari would even bother with Ran if the simple act of breaking the contract would mean Ran gets reduced to a mere animal without any powers?

In the profiles, Yukari being able to make a contract with Ran is touted as an example of her strength because Ran is supposed to be the strongest of the youkai beasts. Being able to tame her is a big accomplishment.

If any of Yukari's shikigami can equal Yukari's power by following her will, then what was the point of choosing something that's only a "mere animal"?

Ran had to be powerful to begin with for Yukari to take an interest in her. Creating the "strongest of the youkai beasts" through the shikigami contract would not have made for a good story now, would it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063854
That formatting is awful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063969
She doesn't get weaker by ''breaking the contract'', the contract ITSELF makes her weaker, we also don't know how or why (servant?) Yukari chose Ran nor should you use your speculations as a base.

Ran's a ''mere animal'' only in the case that she's a kitsune (?) and that Yukari can force her into that state by her own will, remember that youkai in Gensokyo are just personifications of their mythological origins and the animal ones have been confirmed to be able to transform into their animal form (at least, the ones that we've seen).

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063947

They aren't supposed to disobey their masters either, but we see how well that works out in the Zuniverse.

>>8063983

Come now, it's not like you haven't been speculating as well. The rules and conditions and bylaws of the shikigami contract within Gensokyo are not written for you to peruse.

Does the contract get broken if the shikigami wills it?
Does the contract weaken Ran even without either party being aware of the terms of the contract being broken?
Does proximity matter?
Does being awake or asleep matter?
Does disobeying Yukari cut Ran off from her power?
Does disobeying Yukari make Ran turn into a mere animal?
Does disobeying Yukari make Ran weaker than she would be if she weren't under a contract at all?

Who knows, maybe, possibly. You're getting on my case about speculation and you've been doing it from the beginning. At least I have acknowledged that there's not going to be a concrete answer.

You've just been beating on this like you're the only one who knows for sure. It's not like Yukari's words weren't already twisted around enough that even Aya was getting frustrated with her answers. If you have a problem with Ran being a "mere animal", then you should take it up with >>8063905. This is what happens with Yukari's words, it may have some truth in them or it could be an exaggeration, you just can't tell so why claim your speculation is the only correct interpretation?

The strangest thing to me is that I never even said that Ran WAS stronger. Just that it is POSSIBLE that Yukari doesn't know how strong Ran is now or that she was exaggerating the gap between their powers.

For all we know Ran could have had less tails when she made the contract and she grew more.

Calling Ran a mere animal without her could fall into the exaggeration category, you've attacked me on it yourself.

So what exactly is your big problem? Or should I even care anymore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8064051
>They aren't supposed to disobey their masters either, but we see how well that works out in the Zuniverse.

It's not something that binds their actions, but their powers.

>then you should take it up with >>8063905.

As I said, I'm the only one who's been arguing with you, all of the replies you've done have been directed towards my posts (except the Akyuu one who is not me).

>You've just been beating on this like you're the only one who knows for sure.

I never did, I'm just saying what the shinigami rules state, those rules actually work you know.

All in all, you're the one trying to extrapolate in order to think that Ran is somehow getting stronger whereas the rules state she can't, we haven't seen her train either, doing housework isn't exactly something to boost your ''powers'' nor can we compare them since spellcard rules throw all the possible attempts to get a valid powerlevel fact to the dump, maybe ZUN made it so that there would be no messy powerlevel discussions, and it didn't work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8064051
Does anyone give a fuck about these shikigami rules? I mean, come on. Ran's tails aren't going to be less fluffy, chen is still gonna be cute and yukari is just going to stay like a hag, maybe not that old but still...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8064070

>>8064068 does

>>8064068

Odd. The whole housework thing is just what Ran's been left with because Zun changed Yukari's character to be more active because of her popularity. Did it really make sense for her to have so much appearances in the other games? Sure they're "incidents" but it seems odd that Yukari would take such a direct role compared to the original PCB profile where she goes to sleep in response to pretty much everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8064068

Ran doesn't need to get stronger. All it would take is for Yukari to get weaker to make the gap shrink. I doubt she is in her prime compared to how she was when she was more active.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8064070
They're not just ink on paper, they control shikigamis' way of life.

>>8064097
She's the one who made the Gensokyo barrier along with the first Hakurei miko and is the current manager along with Reimu, she's important. She also stays awake when things turn interesting for her (like all of her appearances).

[Anonymous No.]

>>8064114
>All it would take is for Yukari to get weaker to make the gap shrink

Wha-?

[Anonymous No.]

This thread: "Ran stronger than Yukari"
c'mon...seriously /jp/??

[Anonymous No.]

>>8064193

fitter no doubt

[Anonymous No.]

>>8064193
Why did you bump it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8064193

There is no Ran or Yukari. Yes, one is the dominant and the other is the submissive, but every so often they swap these roles and no one is the wiser.

...you didn't think the childish human version of S&M that only applies to sexual nature was the final frontier did you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8063661

Which doujin did this panel originate from?