/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Wake up

See this

You don't get a choice, reality is deterministic and there is no such thing as free will

[Anonymous No.]

Must be difficult to sleep on standard beds when you have wings

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck you, I'm jumping in the lake anyway.

[「ロリあき」 No.]

You can't prove that...

[Anonymous No.]

Commence copulation.

[Anonymous No.]

So what happens then?

[Anonymous No.]

What if I use a device based on relevant principles of quantum physics to decide which action I should take?

[Anonymous No.]

Get v&?

[Anonymous No.]

Looks like there's work to be done.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a belmont, dude
time for some vampire hunting

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck you OP.

Who are you to say that I don't have a device that allows me to save/reload my life as I see fit? I have all the choices in front of me that I could ever take, and I simply choose the one that produces a result that pleases me the most.

But I shouldn't be typing this again. I already did this before in another "cycle" and your answer was pathetically laughable. But I know that because of this sentence your answer will be sightly different, and for some reason I really want to see that.

So go ahead.

Entertain me.

[Anonymous No.]

It's kind of frightening to think that from the moment atoms formed I've been destined to fap to lolis in my cramped apartment.

[Anonymous No.]

What is a man?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8035952
a miserable little pile of dicks

[Anonymous No.]

Is this you OP? Because you're my favorite philosopher

[Anonymous No.]

Go to bed, Laplace.

[Anonymous No.]

Think I'll go read EoSD again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8035952
The sum of all his parts + the instinct to insert his tongue and penis into the lower orifices of loli like the ones in the OP.

Gays aren't men. They're animals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8035965
Let's say that you took a man and slowly replaced all his parts with that of a little girl, and that the resulting little girl also had the desire to stick her now-nonexistent penis into the lower orifices of loli. Let's call this once-man little girl the Loli of Theseus.

Is she still a man? If not, when does she stop being a man? When her penis is removed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8035973
"The sum of all his parts".
She would be a little girl, a very lewd little girl, with no penis. There is hope, because strap-ons are awfully useful. I heard that the scissor position can be fun too.

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>>8035978
But surely you would agree that a man who has had his arm replaced with a little girl's arm is still a man? And it follows that since the little girl's arm is now a part of the man, it constitutes one of his parts, and when you slowly replace each part, the new little girl parts he obtains are likewise converted into a part of him, until he is completely a little girl and still the sum of his parts. Surely, then, the little girl must be considered a man.

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>>8035978
It almost makes me sad that I wasn't born as a beautiful lesbian. Yuri is the purest form of love.

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>>8035986
The mind is all that really defines what we are.

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>>8035987
Same could be said of yaoi. I don't personally like either, be impartial at least.

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>>8035986
If you replaced all the parts except the brain, then maybe.

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>>8035986
I think you're arguing from the point of a philosopher and the other is arguing as an engineer

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>>8035987

Love isn't pure without a penis

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>>8035993
Yuri is better than yaoi. The closest thing a guy gets to being "beautiful" is being a trap (or attempting to look more like a female).

You might find beauty in a hairy guy fucking another guy bearback, yes - but ladies are ideally soft and smooth, and can express themselves better.

Handsome guys kissing is nowhere near as good as 2 beautiful females kissing. Don't you agree?

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>>8035999
I wish we had new things to argue about

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>>8035999
Not really, like I said. I don't like either

Your whole post speaks of nothing more than your personal preference.

If you want to say its pure from the standpoint that its done without reproduction in mind, same is said of yaoi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036001
Then go and write something philosophical?

I don't like arguing, anyway. Just discussion.

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>>8036002
You think a male and female are beautiful in the same way?

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>>8036007
You're doing nothing more than further proving you're argument is full of bias.

Go ahead, start flaming if you want to. I might also ask that you go to /u/ for your yuri discussion

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>>8035999
How about bara?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036008
Don't say that, you'll hurt my feelings.

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>>8036007
I am very fond of yuri, but one must acknowledge that all relationships are potentially pure. It's merely that one's aesthetic sense generally leads him to find more beauty in either heterosexual relationships or yuri, and couples in yuri-intensive media tend to be more devoted and loving on the average. It's very unusual for a lesbian couple in 2D medium to prioritize sex, and even carnal relations with one's lover beyond kissing and hugging seem to be rare, such couples instead selflessly do their best to support each other and yuri relationships therefore seem purer in general.

Yandere love is another example where couples on the average are very pure, in no small part thanks to the yandere side's often bloody efforts to keep the relationship so.

[Anonymous No.]

The purest form of love is between a man and a loli.
Fighting all obstacles and the scornful gaze of society while only looking at each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036012
Yes, a huge hypermasculine devious guy grabbing his dick being lewd is as pure as soft, gentle females(¬_¬)

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036027
There's that bias again

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036028
You're not supposed to take him seriously.
Unless he's actually serious, in which case it's more comical than anything else

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036027
>(¬_¬)

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036028
I hope that fence you're sitting on isn't digging too far up your butt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036027
>(¬_¬)
Good heavens. What are you doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036030
Hope those blinders don't cause you to trip too much

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036027
But you have just arbitrarily decided that yuri is pure, for no reason whatsoever, with shameless bias.

Anyone can do exactly the same with bara, scat, gore, or whatever else.

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>>8036031
Isn't it customary to call someone a troll if they say things you don't understand or don't agree with? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>8036040
Well you posted a reaction face too, that's pretty obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036042
Can I exchange my blinkers with yours? I want an upgrade.

/jp/ - We want to be the hypermasculine hairy gays

[Anonymous No.]

Stop getting trolled by Jewnes

[Anonymous No.]

>>8035921
>reality is deterministic

It's not.

Unless Remi is manipulating your fate, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036042
Could be worse, he could start spamming genital diseases like last time.

[Anonymous No.]

Why would the purity of a love depend on the gender?
I'd say it depends on the hearts of the people.
Saying anything else is like hating homosexuals, but loving lesbians

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>>8036061
/jp/ - I don't care about what's really happening, I'll just make it up.

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>>8036100
When the faggots started sundering the lands and raising volcanoes earlier in the year, they started dumping plagued genitals. He's not making it up.

[Anonymous No.]

Yuri is the purest form of love. Why?
Well, girls can't really have sex with each other, unless they use sex toys or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036818
No its not, Yuri is still fueled by lust. Loli yuri is the purest form of love.

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>>8036821
Prepubescents are still curious, sexual beings, though.

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>>8036821
Well sir, I'll have to agree.

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>>8035925
>Must be difficult to sleep on standard beds when you have wings

I sleep on my stomach so it wouldn't matter for me if I had wings or not.

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>>8036829
Curiosity and lust are different things.

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>>8036835
But they lust too.

It actually seems that most people have a sexual history at an early age, spanning beyond mere curiosity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8036841
You are legally retarded or a troll. Go figure out what lust means.

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>>8036829
They're driven by curiosity, isn't that pure?
They're completely oblivious of the evils of the flesh.

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>>8035932
Then you still don't have free will. You can do that right now with die rolls.

>>8035944
nope. you don't choose. Your brain chooses. You're just here for the ride.

[Anonymous No.]

Deterministic. Then I would have tea, cupcakes and sex with them while playing BF3

[「ロリアキ」 No.]

>>8037920
>your brain chooses
Needlessly pedantic

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>>8037933
once you describe how you think in terms of the physical properties of the brain, there is nothing left of the concept of "you"

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>>8037920
Define "you" and "your brain". Those two usually belong to the same person.

[Anonymous No.]

wonder why i'm sleeping while standing up.

[Anonymous No.]

I studied Philosophy on an university level just to get money from the government. The actual high-level discussion about the nature of free will is actually very interesting and thought provoking, despite the fact that philosophy usually is crock.

Whether the Universe itself is deterministic or not doesn't really matter, the issue involves a lot more things, and it seems far more likely that there are large elements of determinism beyond our control.

[Anonymous No.]

10-dimension theory disproves determinism.

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>>8037944
but it's just a theory (a geuss)

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>>8037937
hmm. Let me see if I can say this without the use of the word "you."

A person is a member of the species homo sapiens. each instance of a person has a brain that controls their behavior. This brain functions in physical terms, in terms of chemical interactions within and between neurons. These brain processes + a corresponding human body to carry them out fully define the actions of a human. One of the properties of the brain is that it generates an image of consciousness.

[「ロリアキ」 No.]

>>8037949
A theory is NOT a guess.

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>>8037998
It isn't a geuss either, but that was obvious to begin with.

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>>8037991
So, you only define "you" as your conscious self? Isn't consciousness just a part of "you", along with the brain and body you just described?

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>>8037998
I know how science works. It's just some silly /sci/ meme.

[Anonymous No.]

I find consciousness to be so amazing. It's such an incredibly abstract concept, completely different from the other processes in the Universe; Processes which are quite static, mere effects of gravity, pressure or sunlight, among many others.

That some entity can actually do, to some degree, what itself wants, separate to the mere outside forces of physics, is incredible. It makes me wonder if there is some other strange concept out there, something "beyond" the mind.

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>>8038044
Sup

[Anonymous No.]

People who don't think loli yuri is the purest form of love hasn't listened to Remilia and Flandre having sweet passionate love while Sakuya narrates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuvDITe54CI

[Anonymous No.]

>>8038052
I prefer Remilia and Flandre having sweet passionate love while a redneck with a straw between his teeth plays the banjo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8038057
You might be in luck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSggtXbusdE

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>>8037935
If i'm not my brain, then what am I?

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>>8038061
He definitely wasn't talking about exactly that. Nope.

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>>8038007
I'm going to use 2 words for "you" in order to clear up my use of the word. Call them "you1" and "you2." The purpose will hopefully be clear.

If "you" = "you1" = specific person = brain + body, then we're actually in complete agreement. In this case, "you1" is just a shorthand for saying "this specific person." So in this use of the word "you," when people say that "you" decide to do something, they are attributing the decision to your brain.

But, a lot of people interpret the "you" in "you decide" as something like: "you" = specific person = "you2" + brain + body. The way I wrote it seems kinda self-referential, but that's because there is a certain degree of self-referentialness to the idea of "you" making the decision. We can call "you2" a 'consciousness capable of making decisions,' because that's what most people probably interpret as "you". The point is that people often want to attribute some part of the decision making to a "you." But in reality, we see that this "you2" is actually empty; it doesn't describe any part of the decision making process that is not described by the brain. So we can throw out the idea that "you2" is making the decision.

When people say the word "you", they are often using this shorthand description to attribute some form of causality in the form of "you2." Your consciousness (or whatever "you2" means) is part of "you1", which I defined earlier as an instance of a person. All of this basically comes down to a failure of common language being non-specific enough to distinguish between "you1" = person and "you2" = conscious experience of a person.

ps. I probably shouldn't have used the arithmetic analogies in explaining this, but I'm too lazy to draw diagrams.

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>>8038094
I just read what I wrote and it isn't very clear at all.

Basically, I'm saying the following 2 sentences are different
1) That instance of homo sapiens decided X
2) The consciousness of that instance of homo sapiens decided X
But in common language we use "you" for both meanings.

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>>8038117
I don't believe that people making casual statements about personal decisions consider whether or not they're referencing the consciousness of that person as a force separate from the person themselves.

Not having considered them, they can't be talking about them regardless of what you feel the mental underpinnings of their diction are.

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>>8038145
Of course the distinction not important in common usage, but that's only because we assume by our default experiences that there is no difference. I was talking in terms of a discussion on free will and the concept of a decision-making "you". It’s a very relevant distinction when people are asking me to define “you” and “your brain.” The very same conflation was made in >>8037920. What that sentence actually means is: "[your conscious experience] (you2) doesn't choose. your (you1) brain chooses. you (you2) are just along for the ride."

Also, you2 is clearly important to everyday life. Every justice system in the world is based around it.

[「ロリあき」 No.]

This thread reads like a statistics algorithm. I stand by my "needlessly pedantic" statement, sheerly based on all the hoops you've had to jump through to explain yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

People who had not yet come to terms with the plain reality that minds are meaty, wet, folded objects crammed into the bone dome that sits on our shoulders started all of these arguments long ago. Such inane pandering.