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8024893 No.8024893 [Reply] [Original]

Who would win?

>> No.8024897

Reimu.

>> No.8024898

Plot armour versus clones who couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.

I wonder.

>> No.8024900

>>8024898
>Plot armour

Makes me laugh every time, why do you people keep repeating this nonsense? It's like an excuse that rubbed on others.

>> No.8024902

Depends if Reimu can teleport through the sides of the screen.

>> No.8024905

She teleports inside and massacres them all.

Hold shift for focus movement and graze like a mother fucker.

>> No.8024909

>>8024900
Plot armor is a word used to explain how a character inexplicably wins against stacked odds. This frequently happens to protagonists as protagonists who win with the odds greatly in their favor are uninteresting and protagonists who lose in the face of stacked odds are sad.

>> No.8024910

A Star Destroyer couldn't even accurately hit a fucking blockade runner. What makes you think it could hit Reimu's miniscule hitbox?

>> No.8024914

>>8024905
I imagined this.

Standard danmaku setting. Reimu trailing on the ship, lasers everywhere, grazing.

Realizes that ship is about to enter hyperspace, reimu teleports into the ship.

Switches to IaMP style fighter. Reimu vs clone army.

>> No.8024917

Didn't Marisa completely destroy a lunarian vessel in one of the anime adaptations? I don't think that an Empire ship would fare much better against Reimu.

>> No.8024919

>>8024909
But the odds aren't stacked against Reimu. The odds are stacked against those she's fighting with.

>> No.8024921

>>8024917
Its quite evident that Marisa's style is just raw power and brute force. Not really sure what Reimu's style is.

>> No.8024923

A shit-tier Touhou against lasers and thousands of troops.

Yeah, I wonder.

Protip: She wouldn't be avoiding autistic patterns of slow as fuck blobs of light - they are fast and would kill her in 1 shot. No multiple lives or bomb bullshit.

>> No.8024927
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>>8024917
>anime adaptations

1) Shut up and leave
2) Play the game and use the games as sources for discussion

Choose one scum.

>> No.8024928

>>8024919
This only becomes the case after how many times she's won. Rewind to the PC98 games and she can't even fly yet she cuts through straight to hell.

>>8024923
you honestly think the bullets would move that slow in the games?

>> No.8024930

>>8024927
I do play the games. I never once said that the anime was canon and compared one fanon piece to another.

>> No.8024938
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8024938

The Empire and the ship don't play by spellcard rules.
This isn't danmaku.

The ship would kill her dead.

>> No.8024933

She has plot armour. She can't lose.
Reimu is overpowered.

>> No.8024934

>>8024893

Anything wins against that star trek piece of shit, especially one of the most powerful touhoes.

>> No.8024939

If a tribe of teddy bears can do it, I'm sure Reimu can.

>> No.8024944

>>8024923
Lasers in the touhou universe aren't slow. They're real lasers.

>But impressions of my Master Spark probably won't change whether I return to the past or advance into the future. In other words, the speed of light is unchanging throughout space-time [2]. Just as I thought, lasers are the strongest.

>> No.8024945

ZUN himself said Technology > Magic
However I am not quite sure if normal bullets or lasers could hurt her, as magic and technology cancel each other out or some shit.

>> No.8024947
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8024947

>>8024938
Power output: Peak: 3,6 × 1024 W[2]

Armament:

Quad turbolaser batteries (10)
Double turbolaser batteries (40)
Assault concussion missile tubes (80)
4 missiles each
Tractor beam projectors (10)

Complement:

TIE squadrons (2)
Lambda-class shuttles (4)

Additionally:

Landing barges (6)
AT-AT walkers (10)
AT-ST walkers (15)

or

HAVw A5 Juggernauts (10)
HAVr A9 floating fortresses (5)

Crew

5,200
Officers (610)
Enlisted (4,590)
Gunners (402)

Minimum crew:

1,785
Passengers

2,040 (troops)

>> No.8024948

>>8024938
PC-98 games didn't have spell card rules and Reimu still beat a God and an Angel of death.

>> No.8024950

You don't do shit like this. I'm just glad there are few star wars fans or this would be a full-blown shitstorm

>> No.8024954

>>8024950
go read the danbooru comments on this one

>> No.8024956

>>8024947
That's cool but Reimu slaughtered a good deal of an alternate universe's denizens and fought their god to a stand still that devasted a good deal of that realm.

Reimu makes Sith lords look like little kids playing with flash lights.

>> No.8024959

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy

Reimu can already dodge normal bullets, this will be a piece of cake.

>> No.8024967

>>8024956
Are you including EU.

>> No.8024972

[x] Fantasy Heaven
Reimu beats everything forever
deal with it

>> No.8024977
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>>8024956
"Abilities: Sealing/purification powers, high intuition, ability to call on the power of Gods, flight "

She's like the Paladin (loladin) of Touhou. Babby's first OP character. If ZUN liked western fantasy she'd probably have been able to destroy the universe in a blink too.

Pic related; It's what Gensokyo would look like after the Empire had finished with it.

Of course, you can never settle this dispute, because it's an established universe vs canon that includes gods and magic fairies.

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>>8024954
>2011
>Still using Danbooru instead of glorious Pixiv
ISHYGDDT

>> No.8024979

>>8024977
Yeah have them rule for a while until they get overtaken by imbreeeding or something and let the local wildlife take them over

problem solved.

>> No.8024981

>>8024947
Well I didn't think it would come to this, but I looks like I now have to calculate Reimu's peak power output. PROTIP: it's probably pretty high, she's literally vaporizing boulders in SA.

>> No.8024982

>>8024976
pixiv is full of shitquality,
needs time to go through that and find the good stuff

>> No.8024990 [DELETED] 

HOLY FUCK who gives a shit? Do ANY of you pieces of shit have a god damned job? Or do you just sit around thinking about stupid ass questions like this all day? Why don't you give something back to society.

>> No.8024992

>>8024990
>Why don't you give something back to society.

Alright!

*grabs dick*

>> No.8024995

>>8024977
>Babby's first OP character

That would be Cirno, Alice and Marisa.

>> No.8024999

>>8024990

>>>/soc/
>>>/fa/
>>>/fit/
>>>/b/

>> No.8025001

Here's the thing.

Reimu's hitbox: small

That thing's hitbox: big.

Reimu has the power to bend reality.

Problem solved.

>> No.8025002
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>>8024990
I do give back to society. The bill for my NEET lifestyle.

>>8024992
Thank you, fake-kun.

>>8024981
3,6 x 10^24W

>> No.8025008

IN Manual:

>However powerful the opponent is, that means nothing in her presence.

Ba dum tshh.

>> No.8025010

>>8024990
Is posting these inane comments your way of contributing to society? Because if it is, I have some bad news for you.

>> No.8025018

>>8024995
see
>>8025008

>> No.8025024

>>8024909
Plot armour is when the main character is superbly conditional _for no reason_ compared to others and therefore wins fights like a living but unexplained deus ex machina. However in Touhou, there IS a reason.

Pre-Windows: She herself isn't strong, but her bullet and laser dodging skills are superb and her family has an artifact capable of damaging gods which she uses like a football.

Post-Windows: Spellcard draft allows anybody to beat anybody regardless of power.

>> No.8025034

>>8025018
She's been beaten the most times out of any other Touhou besides Marisa, your argument is flawed, hater-kun.

>> No.8025041

>>8025002
Yeah, and where did you get that figure? Also wasn't the death star taken down by some small fighters?

>> No.8025046

Ok so quick question, how tall is Reimu?

>> No.8025053

>>8025046
Well I imagine she'd be pretty short for a storm trooper

>> No.8025050 [DELETED] 

>>8025010
Trying to encourage you worthless fuckasses to get off your queer little perfumed butts and get a fucking job, thats how I'm contributing. Obviously your parents wont step up so somebody has to shame you. How do you deserve the right to screw off on the internet all day when you don't work?

>> No.8025051

>>8025046
It isn't known. She's been portrayed too many times to give a proper measure, the latest one is that she's taller than the 3 other heroines in TD.

>> No.8025055

>>8025041
Yes, by a plot hole. You could argue how stupid it is to have an exhaust port being the only weakness, but we can't change the movies.

It's on the Star Wars wiki, if you want to check.


>>8025034
Reimu sure gets beaten a lot as the playable character.

Highly Responsive to Prayers (Playable Character)
Story of Eastern Wonderland (Playable Character)
Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream (Playable Character, Possible Opponent)
Lotus Land Story (Playable Character, Stage 4 Boss)
Mystic Square (Playable Character)
Shuusou Gyoku (Extra Boss 2)
Embodiment of Scarlet Devil (Playable Character)
Perfect Cherry Blossom (Playable Character)
Immaterial and Missing Power (Playable Character, Possible Opponent)
Imperishable Night (Playable Character, Stage 4A Midboss, Stage 4A Boss)
Phantasmagoria of Flower View (Playable Character, Possible Opponent)
Mountain of Faith (Playable Character)
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody (Playable Character, Possible Opponent)
Subterranean Animism (Playable Character)
Graffiti Kingdom (Cameo) (Playable Character)
Undefined Fantastic Object (Playable Character)
Touhou Hisoutensoku standalone (Playable Character)
Double Spoiler (Scene EX-1, EX-4, EX-7 Boss)
Fairy Wars (Route B1 ending)
Ten Desires (Playable Character)

>> No.8025060

>>8025050
>How do you deserve the right to screw off on the internet all day when you don't work?

It's like a politician went on /jp/.

>> No.8025070

>>8025055
You're not proving anything.

She was beaten in IaMP, many times (5?) in SWR, in Soku, PoFV and also DS.

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>>8025050
>perfumed butts
Jokes on you, I haven't showered for a week.

>> No.8025074

Why is /jp/ arguing with a star wars geek? You can't possibly win against them in any kind of argument, they can't accept anything.

>> No.8025080

>>8025074
Boredom, it's obvious that nothing's gonna convince him despite his absurdity, he's portraying himself as The Buttranger after all.

>> No.8025085

Technology always beats magic.

>> No.8025088

>>8025070
Neither are you. She's a player character more than an opponent. Because she's babby's first Touhou for powerlevel fanon circlejerks.

>>8025080
>>8025074
>>8025070
Samefag butthurt. Check 'em, etc.

Also, the irony is funny.

'No, MY favourite character is the most powerful, she's got the power of Gods and can kill anyone'. It's more childish than Warcraft arguments.

>> No.8025093

>>8025085
But Reimu beat Yumemi and Utsuho who were both using technology, the former without spellcard rules even.

>> No.8025098

>>8025088
Whatever you say, bub. If it makes you feel happy that you think in your mind that your guy can win, go ahead.

>> No.8025105

>>8025088
Says the kid using "The Buttranger" and without "ideas are bulletproof" in the email field to boot.

You're no different really

>> No.8025106

>>8025093
It's what ZUN himself said.

>> No.8025109

>>8025088
>She's a player character more than an opponent

I hate how people always change the subject of the argument so they don't ''lose'' and start blabbing unrelated things.

>> No.8025111

>>8025085
But any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. it can be inferred that magic is simply more advanced technology, making you statement at least counter-intuitive, if not completely inaccurate.

>> No.8025128

>>8025106
Doesn't matter, he contradicts himself often and is always seeking the books to fix the issue the previous book made.

Also Reimu wasn't using magic.

>> No.8025129

>>8025111
Well that and apparently Reimu's powers aren't magic. What that means of course I don't know.

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>>8025105
>>8025098
>>8025109
I've helped you become frustrated. Now, unleash your anger. Continue your shitposting.

>>8025109
He said that Reimu isn't OP because she's been defeated the most times, where I pointed out that she's a playable character more than an opponent because she's babby's first OP Touhou. Curing your ignorance isn't my responsibility. Try to keep up.

On an unrelated note, I think it's somewhat autistic to point out that someone is choosing not to bump a thread, on /jp/. Star Wars is not /jp/ - even though Touhou is. My personal recommendation is to deal with it.

>> No.8025134

>>8025088
You're being an idiot. Every point brought up to explain why Reimu would butt-fuck your favorite character is met with irrelevant rebuttals.

>> No.8025136

>>8025129
She says they're spiritual powers, note that she said this in contradiction to Yumemi who was thinking that she was using magic.

>> No.8025139

>>8025111
>it can be inferred that magic is simply more advanced technology
No, you can say that they may appear similar. When Anonymous claims that ZUN said technology is superior, you cannot claim that magic is superior.

>> No.8025144

>>8025134
Star Wars is not a character. It is neither 'him' or 'his'. The galactic Empire is an entity, which utilizes technology. If you're trying to "troll" then I will have to report you for violating global rules.

>> No.8025146

>>8025131
She can't be babby's first OP Touhou because most of the new players actually play the Windows games where she and Marisa have the same player count, not to mention, they'd normally play the girl they watched in what most likely brought them to Touhou (IOSYS' Marisa videos).

Choosing to play the PC-98 games would be a hint of wanting to get more into it, i.e: hardcoreness.

>> No.8025149

>>8025131
>I've helped you become frustrated. Now, unleash your anger. Continue your shitposting.

>Be retarded on the internet
>Someone calls you out for being retarded
>herp derp, jokes on you I was just pretending to be a retard to get you angry.

Nobody here is angry. We're calling you an idiot because it is obvious not because we are mad.

>> No.8025150

>>8025139
see
>>8025128
>>8025129
>>8025136

>> No.8025152

>>8025136
yeah well Yumemi manages to utter "scientific magic" which is marvelous to say the least.

This whole thread is just "my character can beat you'r character!". You don't do things like this, the two universes are so incongruous that its just plain retarded to try and compare any aspect.

>> No.8025156 [DELETED] 

>>8025152
It doesn't matter if she was using it or not, the point is that Reimu was not using magic.

>> No.8025159

Gotta love that plot armor.

>> No.8025162

>>8025152
It doesn't matter if Yumemi was using magic or not, the point is that Reimu wasn't using it.

>> No.8025164

>>8025159

Read

>>8025024

>> No.8025170

>>8025136
Yumemi doesn't know too much about magic, she did come to Gensokyo to study magic so she could have easily mistaken the two.

Anyway Reimu uses spirits and Marisa magic. The distinction has been there for a while.

>>8025144
>selective reading
>harping on an insignificant semantic aspect of my argument to avoid addressing the substance.
I used "character" to simplify things. My main point doesn't change.

>> No.8025176

>>8025146
I mean that Reimu and Marisa are the most played characters, they're the bread and butter Touhous, they aren't going to be weak are they? I don't know of any struggle involved due to being weak. Has ZUN ever claimed a favourite character?

>>8025149
Who are you quoting?

>>8025152
Exactly. Which is what I claimed in >>8024977
"Of course, you can never settle this dispute, because it's an established universe vs canon that includes gods and magic fairies."

I'd like to see a Touhou vs Warhammer 40K thread. The God emperor vs Marisa, etc.

>> No.8025180

>>8025170
>Yumemi doesn't know too much about magic, she did come to Gensokyo to study magic so she could have easily mistaken the two.

The post you're replying to doesn't seem to deny that, yet you seem to be denying its'.

>> No.8025182

>>8025170
Touhou can't fight Star Wars because she's weaker and Nitori has nowhere near the level of technology required to take on the Empire.

Yeah, about refering to entities as him... don't do it.

Also, who are you quoting?

>> No.8025183

>>8025176
We have before, and its been nothing special.

Besides, you're just trying to turn this in to a flamefit.

>> No.8025189

>>8025176
>Exactly. Which is what I claimed in >>8024977

You hypocrite, you're the one that started arguing this ridiculous topic in a serious way with your so called ''proof''.

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>>8025183
What's a flamefit?

>> No.8025199

>>8025182
>can't fight
>because she's weaker

Amazing argument you got there.

>> No.8025200

>>8025176
>established universe

Oh? Okay then I guess its clones with dismal aim and space stations with silly weakpoints then.

>> No.8025201

>>8025152
>You don't do things like this, the two universes are so incongruous that its just plain retarded to try and compare any aspect.

Yes you can. Character A is this fast but Character B is faster so Character B will win a race between the two. Character A has strong punches but character B has stronger punches so Character B is stronger. etc etc

Comparing what characters have done in the past and using that to extrapolate a hypothetical situation is easy and straight forward. It is just that retards like butt-ranger bring up moot points to try to obscure and otherwise straight forward discussion.

Reimu can teleport.
Reimu's past feats of speed make her faster than storm troopers.
Her spellcard makes her invinicble for an indefinite period of time.
Her spell cards and barriers can do a lot of damage.

If Reimu can't outright bring down the destroyer then she can teleport inside and beat every one of them.

THat's all there is to it.

>> No.8025202

Reimu would win. Then the crew would drink tea at the shrine.

>> No.8025206

This thread is now fully autistic.

>>8025189
It's your fault for even replying to somebody named The Buttranger. You can't have expected much else.

>> No.8025208

>>8024923
>She wouldn't be avoiding autistic patterns of slow as fuck blobs of light

She sure wouldn't be avoiding anything outside of danmaku fight. She'd just, you know, use the full extent of her abilities and float away from reality altogether.

>>8024972
Now, to be precise, she just doesn't get hit by anything ever. Actually beating up others would require dealing damage, and that (especially against other similarly overpowered beings that inhabit Gensokyo) is another story altogether.

>>8025055
>Reimu sure gets beaten a lot as the playable character.

She sure does when I'm the one playing.

>> No.8025209

Lasers in Star Wars go at a snail's pace compared to the ones Reimu dodges, not to mention she's been dodging a few million of them per second at times whereas the ones in Starwars at most fire a barrage with a few cannons, even worse aiming at a small target.

Reimu has the ability to bend reality and warp inside that thing's ever-so-popular weakpoint, shoot a little needle and it goes pichun~

Then every trooper gets some tea at her shrine.

>> No.8025210

One thing I always found weird with Star Wars is how the Empire fell just because the Death Star and the upper echelon of Empire leadership got blown up.

It's still a galactic empire, and something on a galactic scale is unfathomably large, so there's tens of thousands of grand commanders left, and the loss of the death star hardly matters. There's still an impossibly large galactic fleet out there with the logistics to support it, and they still control several uncountable trillions of intelligent beings.

The Third Reich didn't fall when some bunker in Tobruk got blown up.

>> No.8025212

>>8025210
Not sure if you've noticed but we're comapring Reimu to that single spaceship in OP's picture.

>> No.8025222

>>8025200
Quantity trumps quality where troopers are concerned. She'd have been 1-hit by a laser before she even got close, anyway.

>>8025201
Didn't you know? Darth Vader is on the ship. He choked her to death with the force before she got within range to throw her blobs of light at the Star Destroyer. The storm troopers then raped her armpits.

>>8025210
It didn't. The entire story continued in the expanded universe, to varying degrees of quality. The Jedi Knight games show some of what happened after it.

>>8025209
So when Reimu is waiting for several seconds for a blob of light/dagger/whatever to travel 15' from the boss towards her, it is still somehow faster than lasers in Star Wars? That's beyond silly in my opinion.

>> No.8025217

>>8025208
She has physically bitchslapped every other character in the fighting games,.

>> No.8025223

>>8025206
Meh, one thing I like about arguments and debates is that I at least learn something, so its not all bad.

>> No.8025228

>>8025176
>The God emperor vs Marisa
Marisa would win.

>> No.8025231

>>8025222
>Didn't you know? Darth Vader is on the ship. He choked her to death with the force before she got within range to throw her blobs of light at the Star Destroyer. The storm troopers then raped her armpits.

Didn't you know? She can warp directly into the passage-thing where the weakpoint is located and not be affected by the vacumn, as far as I know, Darth Vader can't go to outer space without a ship.

>> No.8025232

>>8025228
Your heresy will not be tolerated, Chaos worshiper.

>> No.8025229

>>8025222
Okay so, you're assuming that danmaku bullets are actually moving that slow. Its a fucking game, it'd be just plain impossible to play if they all went at realistic speeds.

>> No.8025243

>>8025222
>So when Reimu is waiting for several seconds for a blob of light/dagger/whatever to travel 15' from the boss towards her, it is still somehow faster than lasers in Star Wars? That's beyond silly in my opinion

The lasers in Gensokyo move like actual lasers (except that we need to be able to dodge them with our human reaction capabilities), some are faster than others even.

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>>8025222
>He choked her to death with the force before she got within range to throw her blobs of light at the Star Destroyer

Fantasy heaven, dimensional teleportation, kick to the fucking face.

No seriously we keep saying these things and you keep ignoring it. Fantasy heaven makes her invinicble, dimensional teleporation so fast that Aya motherfucking flash Aya, can't keep up. And her kicks, holy fuck, she beat the angel of death by kick her yin yang ball at it repeatedly.

>> No.8025251

>>8025228
I like to the that Marisa and The God Emperor of Mankind wouldn't fight and instead would have a good time over some Tanith tea.

The Emperor would win.

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8025259

>>8025251
Unfortunately for the God emperor, Marisa doesn't do tea parties.

>> No.8025262

>>8025222
>it is still somehow faster than lasers in Star Wars?
Goddamnit are you stupid? We been through this:

>>8024944
>But impressions of my Master Spark probably won't change whether I return to the past or advance into the future. In other words, the speed of light is unchanging throughout space-time [2]. Just as I thought, lasers are the strongest.

>Speed of light unchanging
>Speed of light

>> No.8025269

>>8025254
Also note that Reimu made a vow to never use that spellcard (and many other unknown abilities according to ZUN) due it being too cheap and her not liking people who are show off, hence why she loses despite having that.

In this case, she would actually aim to win to which she'd use it, though it's not like she needed to use that since she can already bend and warp through reality due to her ability, that warp is also a move in the fighting games.

>> No.8025275

Yeah, yeah, how about you try the Culture instead, that makes an even more retarded "discussion".

>> No.8025279

>103 posts
>Reimu vs some Star Wars ship

Goddammit /jp/.

>> No.8025278

>>8025231
His suit is sealed. He can survive for long periods by using his powers.

>>8025229
Exactly, the gameplay of Touhou is slow, it's not the same kind of reflexes you'd need to dodge fast projectiles. Now if ZUN says it's a lot faster than what you actually see on screen, it's different.

>>8025243
I've never seen a boss fire a beam attack, only complex patterns to avoid. The beam she fires would have to penetrate the shields if she stayed outside, which are powerful. If she went inside she'd be at a disadvantage unless she knew the layout of the ship. I also take into account the fact that any bombs she used would damage herself aswell.

If she had invincibility like a loladin, then there's obviously no way you can match them up, because she would troll anything by staying invincible.


Nevermind.

See >>8025254
>invincible
>dimensional teleportation
See babby's first OP Touhou

>>8025262
Who are you quoting?

"Lasers are the strongest" - yes we've established that. Thousands of stormtroopers using lasers, and thousands of lasers being fired from the ship itself at 1 squishy target.

>> No.8025282

>>8025251
What's the strongest attack GEoMK can do? What's the strongest attack GEoMK can take without being severly injured?

>> No.8025283

>>8025055
Ok so according to my calculations Reimu has a power output of around 1.44 × 10^11 watts in Subterranean Animism without any upgrades, IE just from shooting spell cards.

Spellcard shooting rate is estimated at around 50 spellcards per second. Boulder diameter is estimated at about 1 meter. It takes 1 bullet to vaporize the 1 meter diameter boulder. And according to this:(http://www.ne.anl.gov/facilities/lal/Publications/Laser%20well%20drilling/JLA00025.pdf)) it takes around 5.5 kilojoules to vaporize 1 cubic centimeter of rock.

So calculating:
(4/3)*PI*(0.5*1 meters)^3*(5.5 kilojoules/ centimeter^3)*50/second = 1.43989663 × 10^11 watts

this is 1/16 of the global power consumption according to WolframAlpha.

Or just a bit more than the entire power consumption of japan(0.115 terawatts vs. Reimu's 0.144 terawatts)

>> No.8025286

>>8025278
one small and pretty fast target, and ZUN DOES say lasers in Touhou move at realistic speeds.

>> No.8025288

>>8025279
Blame yourself, or God.

>> No.8025291

>>8025278
>Now if ZUN says
He did, read the previous posts please.

> If she went inside she'd be at a disadvantage unless she knew the layout of the ship

She just warps into the weakpoint which is visible from the outside of the ship.

>I also take into account the fact that any bombs she used would damage herself aswell.
They don't.

>See babby's first OP Touhou
That doesn't make sense. Also she's not invincible.

>> No.8025298

>>8025278
>If she had invincibility like a loladin, then there's obviously no way you can match them up, because she would troll anything by staying invincible.

>>Supreme Master-Arts by any means. With Reimu's ability to float, she floats from everything in reality and becomes invincible.
>If it wasn't just for play (with time limit), no one could beat her with any method.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Spell_Cards/Last_Word#Spell_Card_215


We've been through this
>>8025269
>Also note that Reimu made a vow to never use that spellcard (and many other unknown abilities according to ZUN) due it being too cheap

Are you even reading what's being typed?

>> No.8025306

>>8025275
But I like bringing the Culture into a powerlevel discussion. It's like bringing a railgun to a knife fight.

>> No.8025310

>>8025298
>Are you even reading what's being typed?

I wasn't using that as an actual argument in case you can't read.

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>>8025278
>Who are you quoting?
The spell book.

>Thousands of stormtroopers using lasers
>thousands of lasers being fired from the ship itself at 1 squishy target.

Just like how Storm troopers focus fire at Luke and Han?
Or like how an entire moon sized battle station with guns everywhere were enough to stop a small squadron of pilots from shooting at the weak point?

Face it, the only thing worth while in the SW universe are sith and jedi. Everything else is retarded.

>> No.8025323

>>8025283
Science-kun, that's quite a lot of energy.

I take it that these calculations mean that Marisa can not penetrate the shields of the Star Destroyer? She would then have have to teleport inside and be invincible to even win. That is if she hasn't been 1-hit by a laser during her approach.

>>8025291
So the gameplay is totally different to canon? That sucks.
She isn't to know any weak points from approaching the Star Destroyer, unless she had some previous knowledge. She could teleport inside a bulkhead for all you know, and instantly die.
If she set off magic bombs inside tight spaces and brought down pieces of the ship, they could crush her instantly - they can damage her.
If she isn't invincible, then that makes it a lot easier for the Empire.

>>8025298
I just invented my own Universe. The main character created all the Gods in every known dimension, and has powers that make other powers irrelevant and he flies above reality all day every day and can even make the Universe not exist with a single thought. My character > Reimu.

>>8025315
Blame George Lucas for the plot holes, the Universe he created itself is the what people enjoy the most. Still, it seems a damn sight better than most of the Twilight fan fiction shit you see being uploaded to Wookiepedia.

>> No.8025322

>>8025310
I was talking to butt-faggot. The format is a bit off.

>> No.8025325

>>8025306
touhou would still win.

>> No.8025332

>>8025323
> That is if she hasn't been 1-hit by a laser during her approach

You're probably just trolling at this point, since its been spelled out to you several times already. but then you're using "The Buttranger" which is nothing more than some small line in a /new/-like meme.

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>>8025323
Reimu, not Marisa.

>>8025322
>butt-faggot
Hey, I heard you like /v/ideo games.
>>>/v/

>>8025325
Of course Touhou would win, it has magic, Gods and ambiguous spell definitions.

>> No.8025339

>>8025315
They destroyed the first Death Star using small fighters. The Death Star itself was armed almost exclusively with turbolasers, which were designed to combat larger ships. The fighter complement of the Death Star, which would've annihilated the Rebels in short order, was never launched, and only a small wing was sent out at Darth Vader's personal orders.

Why such poor design and planning? George Lucas.

The second Death Star battle was hilarious if you consider the canon, seeing as an entire Imperial fleet can't seem to destroy a significantly inferior force of Rebels, with the Rebel fleet seeming to consist of weaponless cargo ships and puny frigates, despite the fact that a single Star Destroyer is capable of beating a Rebel capital ship on its own. The entire Imperial fleet should be able to field literally inexhaustible waves of TIE fighters, interceptors, and bombers, which makes one wonder how there are so few of them at any given point.

>> No.8025344

>>8025323
>She could teleport inside a bulkhead for all you know, and instantly die.

She doesn't teleport like Star Trek characters do or anything, she literally makes a rip through a reality and jumps in, then makes another one where she feels like going and jumps out, this process is shown to last less than a second in the outsider's perspective that is.

>If she set off magic bombs

They're not magic and they're not the ''bombs'' you may know, that's a name for a period of time where she and any other character goes invincible for some seconds while everything around them dies and fades into nothingness.

>Blame George Lucas for the plot holes

It doesn't matter if it's silly, it's still what actually happened and you're using his creation as a base.

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stop calling the storm troopers clones /jp/

they clearly weren't clones in the original films, what with having different sounding voices and all

>> No.8025345

The Star wars universe is so lackluster anyway.

It feels so badly thought out, completely out of touch of the nature of space and the constraints/possibilities of societies spread across it. Like, I think that if a stellar FTL society was possible then Star Wars is exactly reverse of what would actually happen.

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>>8025325

>> No.8025355

>>8025323
>My character > Reimu.
That's cool. I never claimed Reimu is the end all end all of characters.

>>8025323
>I take it that these calculations mean that Marisa can not penetrate the shields of the Star Destroyer?

Yes she can. Quoting Marisa's spell card:

>Magic Space "Asteroid Belt"
>Asteroid belt that can put two large planets away.
The stars Marisa shoots look like something out of a comic, though.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Spell_Cards/Stage_4B#Spell_Card_080

>If she set off magic bombs inside tight spaces and brought down pieces of the ship, they could crush her instantly - they can damage her.
No it won't. She could deflect the damage with a number of barriers. In IN stage 4 she redirects her own spell attacks by using a barrier to reverse the direction of the attack.

>> No.8025358

>>8025344
>and any other character

Meant to say ''any other character who also uses them''.

>> No.8025359

>>8025348
Clones were still apart of the Stormtrooers.

>> No.8025365

>>8025359
no

the prequels never happened

>> No.8025370

>>8025355
>Asteroid belt

Just to clarify, I hope you know that's not an ACTUAL asteroid belt with that planet-splitting effect and it's just near-harmless danmaku.

>> No.8025371

>>8025350
I know right? A bunch of little girls beating burly muscular guys. Fascinating shit really.

>> No.8025366

>>8025332
I don't quite know why you're getting so butt-bothered by this thread. Yes, yes, your magical Touhou can move at the speed of imagination and is invincible and knows the weak points of objects and blows things up without being hurt herself. But the Empire would still win.

Also, does the makeup of letters that constitute this name offend you? What, am I automatically from /a/?

>>8025339
This. Lucas' fault for plot holes. The entire fleet was ordered to stand down so the Deathstar could be fired.

>>8025344
It seems Touhou is the most absurd creation I've ever seen.

>> No.8025374

>>8025370
What are you talking about? That is the description right there.

>> No.8025375

>>8025366
Judging by just about any of your posts in any thread, your general intention is inflammatory in nature. Where you came from doesn't really matter, /jp/ has plenty of shitposters that are from /jp/

>> No.8025379

>>8025366
That would make sense, except for the fact where the Rebels move straight into the Imperial fleet, fighting at point blank range, and...

... somehow survive what should be an immediate ass raping.

And a bunch of Ewoks beat the Empire, armed with rocks and wooden clubs. Yeah, whatever.

>> No.8025380

>>8025366
>But the Empire would still win.

Oh sure, anyone can do that, ignore the previous posts and say that your argument is better. Any Touhou can use the power of concepts to beat the Empire anyway.

>This. Lucas' fault for plot holes. The entire fleet was ordered to stand down so the Deathstar could be fired.

You can't change his universe to your pleasure, you have to use what he made and use his faults.

>> No.8025381

>>8025366
>Lucas' fault for plot holes

If you keep on refusing that danmaku are as fast as any laser, you're just bein hypocritical.

>> No.8025383

>>8025374
Not sure if you've noticed but nothing that ZUN writes for the songs/spells are concrete, if ''Asteroid Belt'' could split planets then Marisa's enemy and the whole planet would have been disintegrated.

>> No.8025392

>>8025383
>could split planets then Marisa's enemy and the whole planet would have been disintegrated.

Magic, you don't got to explain shit. That may be a meme but that's how magic works (i.e the real definition of magic).

Action
?????
Effect.

>> No.8025406

>>8025392
>>8025374

Are you new to Touhou? Nobody uses any kind of firepower other than ''danmaku'' which doesn't do any serious damage (unless your clothes mean that much to you), the only variety is that people use their innate abilities to customize their bullets and patterns in the prettiest way possible. Also the ''magic'' used in Gensokyo isn't the ''turn something into something else magic'' but something akin to firepower solely. What you DON'T have to explain is how it works, or anything else in Gensokyo.

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>>8025375
The other people in this thread seem perfectly able to post their thoughts and ideas without getting frustrated. Take it easy, okay.

>>8025379
Only some of their fleet seems to engage the Empire. I don't even think the Star Destroyers shot at those ships. Just the TIE fighters were launched, it was probably because the main canon was supposed to take out the larger ships, and they were ordered not to shoot at them.

The Endor force wasn't really that big, they were probably spread too thinly to defend the generator.

>>8025380
You don't seem to get it. Some of the characters ZUN made have too much power to compare. The thread would have been better if it wasn't one of the most-used characters with ambiguous magic spells. Like someone with fire or ice or time. The fact that you can exaggerate their meaning and power level makes the whole thing pointless. Still, you could try to match them up more reasonably. Or resort to saying 'she is invinicble'.

"But the Empire would still win" = 'Reimu would still win'.

>>8025381
I'm not. If every Touhou can avoid danmaku, and danmaku is as fast as light itself, then every Touhou can then move faster than light. The gameplay is nothing like what is being claimed. Those easy as fuck patterns to weave in and out of are not beams of light - they travel slowly but require concentration to avoid, not speed.

>> No.8025417

>>8025406
>doesn't do any serious damage
Why does Mokou feel so much pain from the bullets that they eventually immobilize her then?

>> No.8025427

>>8025414
Why are you so mad?

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>>8025427
I'm not mad, just upset.

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>>8025051
>>8025046
This thread is silly, but i'd like to clarify this.

>However, backing up a bit...generally speaking, they're about as tall as girls in their early teens [10 to 14 years old]. A suitable breakdown would be something like:
>Tall: Sakuya, Meiling, Yukari
>Fairly Tall: Reimu, Yuyuko, Alice, Letty, Ran
>Fairly Short: Marisa, Youmu, Patchouli, Lunasa, Merlin
>Short: Remilia, Lyrica, Chen, Cirno, Rumia, Flandre
>Basically, if we consider the top level as the height of a human in her late teens or older [15 years old or above] and the bottom level as the height of a human in her early teens ['10代前半' ], that puts them in a fairly short class (though none of that level are human). If their sizes appear to be different on the game screen than given above, it's because of some mystic force like perspective, so pay it no mind.

>> No.8025441

>>8025414
The entire Rebel fleet plows into the Star Destroyer line and miraculously survives. It would never happen.

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>>8025434
You should take it easy for a while. Take a walk, drink some tea, visit your friends, etc.

>> No.8025447

>>8025441
They were ordered not to attack the rebels, the fighters were just there to take out the fighters and slow them down. If the Star Destroyers would have fired, the rebels would have lost. That's obvious.

>> No.8025454

>>8025447
well then who's genius idea was it to tell them to hold their fire? Competent command it seems.

>> No.8025457

>>8025417
Why do you think she was ''paralyzed by pain'' whereas every other Touhou feels nothing but scratches and can still move?

Either she's extra-sensitive due to her whole ressurecting thing or she's exaggerating. Reimu and Yukari's dialogue was also sarcastic if you hadn't noticed, as is most of the other Touhou games'.

>> No.8025462

>>8025454
The Emperor wanted to destroy them all with his super weapon, in order to turn Luke to the dark side easier. Kind of a James Bond villain moment.

>> No.8025468

>>8025417
>Why does Mokou feel so much pain from the bullets that they eventually immobilize her then?
No, they literally kill her. She dies. About 7-8 times, in fact.

>>8025365
This. The only clones by the time of the Rebel Alliance are extremely limited in number and held in secret inactive reserve cells, doing farming and stuff.

>> No.8025473

>>8025457
Considering she's human, maybe severe fatigue or cramping from over-exhaustion?

>> No.8025474

>>8025414
>The gameplay is nothing like what is being claimed. Those easy as fuck patterns to weave in and out of are not beams of light - they travel slowly but require concentration to avoid, not speed.

Damn, you're pretty stupid.

Maybe reading a little bit would show you that it's the games' interpretation of the battle, whereas the text confirms they are moving at the speed of light, we're seeing things in a slower perspective, get it? Or do I have to make it into a tinier paragraph for you?

>Some of the characters ZUN made have too much power to compare.

Oh you're such a hypocrite, you're the one that started arguing seriously and thinking your side would win, now that you see it won't, you're backing up with this ridiculous excuse.

>> No.8025475

>>8025468
They don't kill her, it's impossible for danmaku to kill a human, she's using her ressurection ability as part of her spell card attributes and she herself mentions (and the manual) that she can't take the pain anymore and gives up. The dialogue is sarcastic, it's like thinking that Reimu killed Sakuya.

>> No.8025476

>>8025447
The Star Destroyers DID fire once the Rebels went right at them. No captain in his right mind would refrain from returning fire when the enemy is right next to you.

Even if the entire Imperial fleet was suffering from tactical inertia, the Star Destroyers should've chewed right through the Rebels on their own. Star Destroyers have such raw power.

>> No.8025480

>>8025473
The human Touhous weren't paralyzed by pain the times they were beaten.

>> No.8025481

ITT: Auti.sm

>> No.8025483

>>8025474
What made you so frustrated? This power level discussion really bothers you doesn't it?

It's impossible to travel faster than the speed of light. So Touhou cannot dodge projectiles traveling at the speed of light. You have to accept the flaws in ZUN's creation. Star Wars is not bound by this rule. In fact, it is possible to travel beyond the speed of light.

Here's something that will probably make you feel better. Whenever you see a comment I post, just say this over and over again in your mind without reading it: "I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN".

>>8025476
I haven't seen the movies for quite some time. I kinda went off them after all this fan fiction shit became more of a problem, the prequels didn't do much either. When I watch them again I'll check to see if the Star Destroyers fired. Even if they did fire, I imagine them only to be targeting the engines of the cruisers to stop them from escaping. It's the only way it would make sense that the rebels would last so long.

>> No.8025486

>>8025476
Nah, the larger Mon Cal ships are about equivalent to a star destroyer, or as near as anything is.

>> No.8025488

>>8025483
So you're saying that it is impossible to travel faster than the light while it IS possible to do so.
Huh. Fancy that.

>> No.8025490

>>8025483
>Star Wars is not bound by this rule.

Neither is Touhou, just so you know, read Yukari's profiles (I know you won't) and you'll notice, everyone can bend some aspect of physics to their command, just like Reimu can bend reality itself.

>> No.8025491

How come nobody said yet that blasters aren't laser weapons at all?

>> No.8025492

>>8025488
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm going to report your post.

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Why didn't the rebel ships just warp away when they were about to lose?

>> No.8025495

>>8025492
Please, could you be any more blatant? I'm sure there are some people who didn't get it yet.

>> No.8025497

>>8025483
Touhou? Following normal laws of the universe?

Good grief, why are you even arguing against something you don't know about?

>> No.8025498

>>8025497
"The Buttranger"

Do you perchance know what "trolling" is?

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>>8025493
Gravity wells igenerators nhibit hyperdrives. They were giving the fighters a chance to blow up the Deathstar and didn't want to escape. It was their last chance.

>>8025495
Blatant at what?

>>8025497
Reimu is human, and you expect people to believe she can dodge beams of light. Face it, ZUN was drunk out of his mind when writing the lore of Touhou. Their spells are ambiguous and can be exaggerated too much.

>>8025498
It's pretty easy to 'win' arguments these days. If someone says something you don't agree with, just call them a troll and disregard everything you'd have to deal with before someone invented the troll meme.

>> No.8025505

>>8025498
You're like one of those clueless guys who thinks they're cool by barging into a convo talking about things they think about at first sight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspergers

Might wanna take a read in case you have this, bub.

>> No.8025521

>>8025504
>Face it, ZUN was drunk out of his mind when writing the lore of Touhou.

Midichloria

>> No.8025522

>>8025504
>Reimu is human, and you expect people to believe she can dodge beams of light
She does, as does every other Touhou, ZUN said so.

>Face it, ZUN was drunk out of his mind when writing the lore of Touhou

He was indeed, he's known for his beer drinking actually. However, what he said is true in the Touhou universe no matter how silly it is, you made the mistake of trying to compare this absurd universe with the Star Wars one, don't expect to win anything.

>> No.8025517

>>8025504
and you denounce the events that take place in the movies, hypocrite much?

>> No.8025526

>>8025505
You're arguing a position in a Star Wars vs. Touhou powerlevel thread, and you're trying to say that other people are aspies? You're hilarious; you know that?

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>>8025504
>If someone says something you don't agree with, just call them a troll

Or frustrated.

>and disregard everything

You already showed us this.

>> No.8025537

>>8025526
I guess it feels good when calling other people names if they make you angry, go ahead then.

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>>8025521
Mitochondria

>>8025522
I know. I've tried to fit them together reasonably to make it a fair match up, but early in the thread, I admitted that you can't really compare them, since one has Gods and magic and ambiguous overpowere spellcards. Still, it's been interesting and entertaining to discuss it, to some extent.


>>8025526
Being funny is a great quality to have. Are you funny?

>>8025528
Pic related.

>> No.8025555

This thread is a fucking embarrassment and proof of why anyone that visits other boards or has interest in mainstream tripe like Star Wars should be barred from posting here.

>> No.8025589

Scrooge McDuck versus Reimu Hakurei, who wins?!

>> No.8025597

>>8025589

Depends. Is Reimu stronger than Africa?

>> No.8025598

>>8025589
Have you seen Reimu's bloodlust over money?

You'd see less of a massacre driving an ice cream truck through ethiopia.

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Ok, how about this.
A grey knight arrives in Gensokyo. How many touhous can he kill before he's stopped?

>> No.8025610

>>8025555
Autistic. Most autistic. But you're not a wizard yet.

>> No.8025612

>>8025598
>Have you seen Reimu's bloodlust over money?

That never happened. Your argument is flawed.

>> No.8025616

>>8025605
Depends. Does he have a contingent of bolter bitches to make an amulet out of?

>> No.8025620

>>8025605
just one: him. fuck off and drown in heresy from your ass just for mentioning one of the worst shit ever happened to 40k.

>> No.8025624

>>8025605
Zero, spellcard rules will make his weapons slashes either a shiny danmaku slash or just whack the Touhou a little, just like Komachi's scythe and everyone else's weapon.

>> No.8025625

>>8025605
Only the useless ones like Reimu and Marisa. Yukari would deal with him promptly.

>> No.8025627

>>8025625
My butt is ranged.

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Who would win?

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