http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Immaterial_and_Missing_Power/Translation/Remilia%27s_Script >You really don't exercise much, do you? You're going to get fat. So Fatchouli is canon?

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Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:32:55 2011 No.7990174 [Reply] [Original]

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Immaterial_and_Missing_Power/Translation/Remilia%27s_Script

>You really don't exercise much, do you? You're going to get fat.

So Fatchouli is canon?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:35:24 2011 No.7990181 No. It's implied that she'll get fat without exercise. Wouldn't you think she'd be fat by now? Perhaps she has a high metabolism because she obviously wasn't fat in EoSD or the fighting games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:35:53 2011 No.7990183 >going to learn tense

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:35:53 2011 No.7990185 >You're going to get fat. >going to Your an idiot

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:37:24 2011 No.7990190 She's healthy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:38:25 2011 No.7990193 I love how you guys piss your pants when someone says your favourite touhou character is going to get fat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:39:54 2011 No.7990195 Of course Fatchouli is canon. Everything is canon, but nothing is canon. Everything and nothing are both canon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:40:25 2011 No.7990196 >>7990193 >going to Just won't learn, will ye and what >>7990181 said Face it, you failed on your thread right out of the gate and now you're turning to flaming to save face.

>>	HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Thu Oct 13 12:41:25 2011 No.7990200 File: 479 KB, 800x600, patchysakuyarags.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] She seems to subsist on a diet of tea and biscuits. More confused how exactly her brain is still running properly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:41:25 2011 No.7990201 You would get fat too if you don't exercise much.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:42:54 2011 No.7990204 >>7990196 That's not me. Anyway, I was just suggesting since IaMP happened so long ago and Patchouli's been staying down there all the time. Time + Lack of excercise = Body weight increase. Just saying, don't get all cocky.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:43:55 2011 No.7990206 >>7990196 Yeah, I'm >>7990181 and I haven't posted anything else.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:44:25 2011 No.7990208 >>7990200 Starch.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:45:54 2011 No.7990211

>>7990201

Not always. Metabolism rates have more to do with it than anything really. If your metabolism is really slow, you would have to do a massive amount of exercise to burn off what your body should be burning automatically. Opposite goes for fast metabolisms. You don't have to do anything and you would be burning what you are putting in. Sometimes too much so and it starts eating at muscle tissue. Then the remedy is eat more food during meals.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:45:54 2011 No.7990212 >>7990204 Like we said, she would have if she was going to by now, and she still looks fine in the last thing she showed up in. Feudal era rural area probably doesn't have much in the way of overly fattening foods like we have now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:47:25 2011 No.7990218 >>7990204 I say she took up an exercise routine and is now a Muscly Patchy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:47:55 2011 No.7990219 >>7990201 No, not really. You just lose muscle mass. Fat accumulates when you eat too much. The two aren't mutually exclusive, of course.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:47:55 2011 No.7990221 >>7990212 Last time? You mean SWR where we couldn't see any of her anatomy due to her saggy clothing?

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Oct 13 12:48:25 2011 No.7990222 >>7990204 And in the 8 years since PCB you'd think Reimu/Marisa would at least look older than 14. Gensokyo doesn't work that way, dude.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:49:25 2011 No.7990226 Have people forgotten where Patchy lives? The place with the most plentiful and exquisite food in Gensokyo that has frequent banquets?

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Thu Oct 13 12:49:55 2011 No.7990224
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>>7990208

Even in the knowledge that the whole thing about Patchy being a lich is just an obscure ancient inside joke that hardly anyone takes seriously, are you suggesting youkai magicians can substitute any chemical needed to run an organic body for starch?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:50:25 2011 No.7990227 >>7990222 That's an argument in her favor too you know. She's a youkai magician, last I checked eating was optional at that point

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:00:37 2011 No.7990249 >>7990221 Her last appearence is actually OSP chapter 15, which is pretty recent

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:01:40 2011 No.7990259 >>7990227 Where did you get that from? Of course they need to eat.

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Oct 13 14:05:40 2011 No.7990276 >>7990259 Not really, they learn magic which allows them to stop eating. But like the fairies, who also dont need to eat, they keep doing so because CAKE IS FUCKING DELICIOUS.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:11:40 2011 No.7990303 >>7990276 >magic to stop eating That seems too bland, mind giving me a source? And as said before, Remilia wouldn't mention such info if Patchouli didn't eat.

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Oct 13 14:31:49 2011 No.7990369

>>7990303
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Sorcerer

>Magicians by birth can use magic from the beginning; like humans, they grow, age, and have a limited lifespan.
>Then, when they learn "abandon temper" magic (*2), they become long-lived, complete magicians.
>In the case of those who were originally human, when in the course of their study of magic they learn "abandon food" magic (*3), they become magicians.
>After that, it's the same as for normal magicians.

And on Fairies.

>Fairies don't actually need to eat, but they see the way humans enjoy their meals and copy them, eating the same things.
>They eat anything which humans do.
>They especially like to sneak away that which humans are planning to eat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:32:44 2011 No.7990375 Patchy looks so sweaty and smelly in OP's pic...

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:36:14 2011 No.7990385

>>7990369
>In the case of those who were originally human
Was Patchouli originally a human? I don't remember seeing that. I think that sentence was targeted to Alice, who was human before.

Either way, it's clear that she still eats and doesn't do any exercise, not saying she has a flat-out beerbelly but I could see maybe if a finger could sink in a little bit in the ensuring flesh.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:39:15 2011 No.7990403

>>7990385
Youkai don't need food, Patchouli is a youkai magician. Eating is nothing more than for the sake of perhaps the pleasure or just a habit made of wishing to mimic humans. Clasically humans tended to view themselves pretty highly, so there's no surprise that they think its going to be a monkey-see monkey-do kind of thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:45:15 2011 No.7990438 >>7990403 Of course they need food, only magician youkai who possess the magic to avoid having to eat don't need to eat. Otherwise there would be no reason for them to hunt and eat humans and there would be no feud from the beginning.

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Oct 13 14:46:15 2011 No.7990445 >>7990385 Yeah that is directed towards Alice/Marisa. But afterwards it pretty much says "After that, they're pretty indistinguishable". >>7990403 Pretty much this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:48:45 2011 No.7990451 >>7990438 You don't see Patchouli hunting humans now do you? Also youkai eat humans because they're delicious, not out of need. and why wouldn't Patchouli learn the magic to eliminate the need for food, seems kind of silly to me.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:50:45 2011 No.7990459

>>7990445
Marisa isn't a youkai magician yet, only aspires to be one for now.

>But afterwards it pretty much says "After that, they're pretty indistinguishable".

It means that those who become youkai magicians become indistinguishable from the naturally born ones, that means nothing here.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:51:17 2011 No.7990470

>>7990451
Because the spellcard draft prohibited youkai from eating humans, therefore they are now restricted to eating veggies and dough.

>Also youkai eat humans because they're delicious, not out of need.

You keep saying that, but only youkai magicians have been covered. As said before, there would be no need for them to start a feud just because ''they feel like eating humans''.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:51:48 2011 No.7990467 >>7990459 How so?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:51:48 2011 No.7990468 I imagine Patchy being rather emaciated with sleep deprivation circles of darkness around her eyes.

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Oct 13 14:53:45 2011 No.7990471

>>7990459
No, but if Marisa wants to become one, she will eventually learn the magic to forgo eating.
If they are indistinguishable, that means the born magicians also likely don't need to eat as they will know that magic already.

The key word here is "need" not "want".

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:53:45 2011 No.7990472 >>7990470 Yeah well if cows were sentient then there would be a pretty big problem now wouldn't there. Youkai weren't really influenced by the same morals you are.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:54:47 2011 No.7990476

>>7990385
I think that sentence implies Youkai Magicians do not need food.
Of course, a magician of Patchouli's caliber would most definitely know such a spell if it is necessary for her to even use it.
Also, you cannot say she does not exercise when she definitely does, at the very least during the fighting games. She's fighting a lot of people and it isn't like those fights are easy. Especially when she faces tough opponents who she loses against(Tenshi's scenario).

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:54:47 2011 No.7990478

>>7990467
We're discussing whether or not youkai need to eat, that statement says that those who turn into youkai magicians during their lifetime are indistinguishable from the normal ones and have the ability to learn the anti-hunger magic.

Regardless of all of this need-to-eat issue, the point originally was the Patchouli does eat and does get fat, according to the one that actually watches her instead of theorizing things on the internet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:55:16 2011 No.7990483 >>7990478 What, you don't know what chiding is? christ

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Oct 13 14:55:45 2011 No.7990480

>>7990470
>Youkai attack humans for food.
>However, most do not attack when they are full and satisfied.
>If the human population drops, youkai will face trouble as well.
>They do not eat only humans, but animals, birds, fish, vegetables, fruits, alcohol and other things humans normally eat.
>Still, they consider humans a delicacy above all else.

You really should read through PMiSS

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:57:48 2011 No.7990486

>>7990476
>Also, you cannot say she does not exercise

I'm not the one saying that, Remilia is.

Well of course by meaning that is technically exercise, but it's not productive if the times she's fought are only on 3 incidents far apart from each other, a little shootout moving isn't gonna do much compared to all the time she spends sitting and reading, which is why Remilia suggest such thing. Her asthma doesn't let her move or speak too much either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:58:17 2011 No.7990494 >>7990480 Made-up Akyu bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:00:16 2011 No.7990497 >>7990480 Dude...you just contradicted yourself. There's nothing there that says that youkai don't need to eat, in fact, it suggests that they DO NEED TO, ''they stop eating when they are full'' mean anything to you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:00:47 2011 No.7990498 >>7990494 Yes, amazing argument you have there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:01:16 2011 No.7990506 >>7990480 This is the first time Ive seen someone post something that destroys their own argument, well, at least so openly

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Oct 13 15:01:47 2011 No.7990504

>>7990494
Except it was written long before Akyuu, and was written to protect humans from youkai back before Gensokyo was sealed off.

I dont see why someone would write something that might make it easier to get eaten in an era full of man-eating monsters.

Plus if a lot of youkai came asking for revisions to make them sound tougher, i'd probably believe Akyuu more than the youkai.

Seriously, you should read it, especially the afterword and whatnot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:02:16 2011 No.7990509 >>7990497 Well considering their stomachs aren't fissures in timespace, yes I think it would fill up and require time to get rid of it. I'm of the take that youkai can get "addicted" to human meat, much like cannibals apparently do.

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Oct 13 15:03:17 2011 No.7990520

>>7990497
Sorry I thought you were disputing the "humans being delicious" part.

No, magicians dont need to eat, fairies dont need to eat, SOME youkai dont need to eat. Most do need to eat, but more importantly they feel the need to hunt, but they do not NEED to eat HUMANS.

Is that better?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:05:46 2011 No.7990527

>>7990509
>I'm taking on

Well too bad, that isn't worth anything here.

Food exists for a reason, if it were just a needless treat then they'd eat something else instead or possibly risking their lives for a ''worthless snack''. After the draft, everyone was forced to stop eating humans and focus on veggies and cake.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:06:48 2011 No.7990532 >>7990520 >but they do not NEED to eat HUMANS. ...And nobody every contradicted that. Come on, at least know what we're discussing, it's whether or not youkai need to eat or not.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:07:48 2011 No.7990534 >>7990527 Aren't the vampires allowed to eat humans from the outside world?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:07:48 2011 No.7990535 >>7990527 Back before you have powerhouses like Reimu, and most human villages were protected by humans rather than hakutaku, I imagine it wasn't so dangerous, especially when failure didn't mean much more than some pain and a lack of a meal that day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:09:17 2011 No.7990539 >>7990532 I think the point is that all living things need to eat unless they have the magical prowess to circumvent that, such as witches and magicians

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Oct 13 15:10:17 2011 No.7990543 >>7990534 Yes, those of "whose deaths would be of no consequence" or something like that. >>7990532 Sorry, I got lost.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:11:17 2011 No.7990548 >>7990535 There were powerhouses before Reimu, remember the previous Hakurei mikos who had youkai blasting abilities? They would kill in order to eat properly while trying to avoid getting caught in the act by the miko.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:12:03 2011 No.7990551 >>7990548 I meant previous to the isolation of youkai from the world. Back when such resources were spread too thin to keep everyone safe

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:13:48 2011 No.7990554

>>7990534
Actually that includes any youkai who has been wanting to eat a delicious human after not being able to for years, the humans that accidentally cross the barrier from the outside world are left on their own in the forest. If they survive they meet Reimu who either sends them to the outside world or escorts them to the human village.

Those who choose the latter are obviously /jp/ers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:15:18 2011 No.7990559 File: 270 KB, 1696x2368, 171584.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Patchy is fat, in a different way.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:15:48 2011 No.7990557

>>7990554
Not necessarily, I imagine a lot of those who get lost are already "lost" to begin with, have no real purpose or direction and just kind of drift in, and figure why the hell not.

That and its obvious that primarily Japanese people end up there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:17:49 2011 No.7990562 >>7990559 Oh but of course, an anemic weak mage is going to have large full healthy breasts, right?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:17:49 2011 No.7990563

>>7990506
I don't see anything in that argument that would cause it to destroy itself.
An argument, if you want to present it well, MUST present both sides, and back it up with facts.
That argument looks fairly well presented.

>>7990486
That may not be the only time Patchouli exercises. Those are simply the times we KNOW Patchouli exercised.
I'm not sure if you can say it is merely a little shoot out. Their fights seem pretty intense with way more movement than any normal human can possibly do, if we assume IaMP, SWR, Soku fighting style.
Also, Remilia no longer comments on Patchouli's lack of exercise, so we can only assume she does do it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:19:51 2011 No.7990566 >>7990563 Maybe she decided to change a few habits after the events of EoSD? Because there she couldn't do shit because she can't manage to gather the strength to mutter incantations for most of her spells during that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:20:50 2011 No.7990567 >>7990566 The ultimate cop-out! "Well, maybe things have changed since then?" No. Fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:20:50 2011 No.7990568 File: 88 KB, 600x600, 171587.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7990562 Not just any mage can have that quality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:21:19 2011 No.7990574 >>7990567 Suggestion bro. How do you explain why she can't even fucking speak enough to recite magic. Then is able to actually do things as in SWR

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:23:20 2011 No.7990585 >>7990574 No continuity?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:24:20 2011 No.7990586

>>7990563
>I don't see anything in that argument that would cause it to destroy itself.
His argument was that youkai did not need any food, the quotes he's posting suggest otherwise.

>Remilia no longer comments on Patchouli's lack of exercise, so we can only assume she does do it.

No, we can't, why should she say it at all times? It's the sheer fact that Remilia comments on it and the fact that everywhere it's shown that Patchouli has zero physical training and stays in her library all day long.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:25:49 2011 No.7990589 >>7990574 she feels better in the eosd extra stage

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:26:20 2011 No.7990592

>>7990574
>How do you explain why she can't even fucking speak enough to recite magic.

Yes she can, it's just that her asthma weakens her in that aspect. She feels a bit better in the extra stage even, and is thus able to attack more aggresively.

Also, what the hell are you comparing here? There's no concrete facts that you can take from...that. It's too subjective and doesn't really take on something that could be arguable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:26:20 2011 No.7990593 Patchy isn't fat in the current OSP chapter, I'd say that's as good an indicator as any. and come on, its even Hirasaka babyfat Patchy and it doesn't look bad

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:29:50 2011 No.7990603 >>7990592 speaking of cop-outs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:30:19 2011 No.7990605 >>7990592 Patchouli was so sad in that part. :(

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:31:50 2011 No.7990610

>>7990593
I think the point isn't if she looks like a landwhale or not, it's whether or not she's declining at all due to her lack of exercise. Those saggy clothes have left imagination run wild for years anyway, you can't really tell.

A little extra flesh is always loveably delicious (although in this case it's rather unhealthy due to the library's atmosphere).

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:34:22 2011 No.7990623 >>7990610 Well at this point its a toss-up between fat and emaciation.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:38:23 2011 No.7990637

>>7990548
Never seen any mikos other than the more recent generation and Reimu as a powerhouse, since you know, back then it was very dangerous for humans.
Akyuu's book was supposed to be reference material used to protect humans from Youkai, but now that it is safer the book can serve as another purpose.

>>7990559
>>7990568
And here I thought you can have a discussion without posting things like this.

>>7990586
Because if she was fat, it would show. But since it does not, we can only assume otherwise.
Considering that she even has new attacks in the latter games, no I do not believe that is the case.
And what do you mean by it is shown everywhere she stays in her library? This is like saying Rinnosuke never exercises, because you only see him at Kourindou.
You do know what she does when you first met her in EoSD right? It is to cause and resolve incidents at the scarlet devil mansion. You cannot cause incidents if you are only limited to staying in the library.
She is also obviously in charge of Flandre, since you know, she's the one who caused it to rain and all that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:44:25 2011 No.7990647 >>7990593 >isn't fat >OSP Impossible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:46:52 2011 No.7990651 >>7990647 Hence the second half of my post

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:54:53 2011 No.7990675

>>7990637
>Never seen any mikos other than the more recent generation and Reimu as a powerhouse
They were, it was their duty (and still is) to exterminate youkai, they had even more power than Reimu since the latter got her power inheritance from them and is still slowly developing them.

>the rest

You're hanging onto little straws for your arguement, that isn't going to work here. Basically you're saying that, because you think she's ''more active'' in SWR means that she's been constantly excercising? Look, I'm not saying she gloomy to the point of not moving at all, I'm saying she doesn't do much excercise compared to the time she stays still, fighting 3 matches in a period from EoSD to SWR is nothing so stop using that.

>And what do you mean by it is shown everywhere she stays in her library?

Her profiles in every game she makes an appearance.

>Because if she was fat, it would show
Obviously ZUN isn't going to let his daughters be portrayed in a non-attractive manner (although Hirasaka draws them pretty chubby anyway, but that doesn't matter here). She also has baggy clothing which doesn't let us see appropiately of her anatomy and that has left inquiry on artists since 2002 and was actually a debate topic in 2channel and Futaba on her actual physique, not that it matters but it shows that you can't really tell on sheer appearance.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:57:55 2011 No.7990678 >>7990675 While the pure power of the fanbase can work miracles, Mamizou isn't what you would call a stunning girl, even by ZUN's usual style.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:18:56 2011 No.7990710 She can magic herself to be what size she wants to be.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:21:23 2011 No.7990719 >>7990675 >>And what do you mean by it is shown everywhere she stays in her library? Her profiles in every game she makes an appearance. IaMP

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:23:54 2011 No.7990725 ZUN wanted Patchouli to be in a fighting game, therefore she is in a fighting game doing fighting game moves.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:47:05 2011 No.7990776

>>7990675
I don't remember it ever saying her previous generations were powerhouses and I also don't remember it ever saying Reimu was weaker than her previous generations.

I'm reading all her profiles right now, and other than the EoSD profile, I do not see where you get the idea that she spends all her time in the library.
IaMP profile says while she spends her days in the library, she will proactively go to wherever to acquire knowledge, indicating she travels.
SWR profile doesn't say much, so no comment.
SA profile says she went to Yukari, because it would be dangerous for her to go by herself. This again indicates that she travels.
Also, we know for a fact that she spends a lot of time actively building that rocket to get them to the moon in Silent Sinner in Blue.

Fighting 3 matches between IaMP, SWR and Soku? You seriously believe that is all she did? I am using this because the fighting game matches seem intense.
Think of it like running a marathon, let's say you do it once a year. You seriously believe that it is all you do without training at all in between?
How would you learn new moves? How can you keep up with other fighters of similar levels?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:32:33 2011 No.7990892

>>7990776
>I don't remember it ever saying her previous generations were powerhouses

Because you didn't, I did, you said that ''recent generations and Reimu were powerhouses because back then it was dangerous for humans'' whereas the fact is that every Hakurei miko IS a near-unstoppable youkai exterminator.

>and other than the EoSD profile, I do not see where you get the idea that she spends all her time in the library.

So because not all of the profiles state it means that it's not true? The fact is that it's stated already, there's no need to state it again because it's a fact.

Also, IaMP says this:

>however, she does not go out much. She spends her days in a library where the sunlight cannot reach. This is so that the books won't be damaged, but the unhealthy atmosphere is bad for her health.

As said, she doesn't go out much, the times she does are the times she has a story mode in the fighting games. Also, she can't do physical moves, only shout her spells that do the fighting for her (other than whack people with her book), need I say something else?

>How would you learn new moves? How can you keep up with other fighters of similar levels?

There's no ''powerlevels'' in Gensokyo, for a magician like Patchouli, what concerns her is to learn information about everything, not just magic (as shown by her knowledgeful dialogue). That ''keep up with others'' doesn't mean anything because you're just assuming things without a base and because of the above mentioned.

Either way, as said before, there would be no need for Remilia to advise Patchouli to start doing exercise unless she did need it, oh and, this was in a fighting game, the so called event where you say that proves Patchouli is fit.

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Oct 13 17:32:33 2011 No.7990894

>>7990776
>Think of it like running a marathon, let's say you do it once a year. You seriously believe that it is all you do without training at all in between?

So you're saying the fighting game were planned events, that everybody spent their days training for? Come on.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:06:13 2011 No.7991018

>>7990892
Where did you get that idea?
I said I don't see any other mikos other than the recent generations as powerhouses, because it is safer in the recent generations.
It was not safe back then and there is no reason to believe they were powerhouses, since you know, if they were, they would be able to protect people, but there was such no indication that they were able to protect people back then.

No, because the profiles go in order. As we know, the SDM appeared recently before the Scarlet Mist incident. Her EoSD profile would be about her life in the outside world for the most part.

Her IaMP profile is after she settles in Gensokyo and all that. And she most definitely goes out according to her profile.

You know for a fact that she went out to look for Yukari in SA. You cannot assume these are the only times she went out. But you can assume she rarely goes out, since it would fit her profile. Even so, you know she's been active, since I believe it took months to build that rocket. Though, I think this happens before SWR, sometime during IN.

And as for keeping up, there's in game proof of this in Hisoutensoku. Don't know how to quote, so here's Alice's quote: "Thinking of nothing but researching the new fighting techniques, everyone's so starved for battle."

>>7990894
Not at all, but what I am saying is they play danmaku fairly often. Just look at the most recent game, Ten Desires, what do you do when you see friends? Danmaku.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:08:40 2011 No.7991025
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This thread shows how American /jp/ is.

Only in America, not exercising means "fat."

Everywhere else in the world, not exercising means you stay skinny and weak. Only Americans consume a massive caloric excess without exercising.

Pic related, a pair of Americans

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:18:48 2011 No.7991049

>>7991018
>Where did you get that idea?

From your previous posts, in fact, you're repeating it again in this one. Listen, people were extra-scared before Reimu came around because there was no spellcard draft and therefore youkai were free to eat them as they wanted. The Hakurei shrine maidens' job was to solve incidents and exterminate youkai. Note that they weren't the protectors or anything of the village as they stayed on the shrine waiting for worshippers that never came.

>Her EoSD profile would be about her life in the outside world for the most part.

That's just a lame excuse you're using, IaMP shows that it's pretty much the same you know?

>the rest

Look, I'm not saying she spends every single millisecond of her life inside the library since it's obvious she has left it as we've seen, I'm saying that, of those times she's left, the amount of ''training'' that you call it does not compare in the least to the amount of time she's spent in the library which is years compared to minutes of fighting. I'm shortening this actually, too tired to keep writing.

>Don't know how to quote, so here's Alice's quote: "Thinking of nothing but researching the new fighting techniques, everyone's so starved for battle."

That doesn't clear up anything, in fact, Alice states that even MOVING would be a hassle in Patchouli's library, the fact that even someone active like Alice considers such fact makes it even more apparent the lack of physical training by Patchouli, although it shouldn't be taken that far.

I'm not sure what you're arguing anymore, you're hanging in there onto little nitpicks that aren't really helping your case.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:26:55 2011 No.7991075 >>7991025 Because in this case it's a mix of lack of exercise and daily banquets of food.

>>	Kilgamayan !2BklmILFiE Thu Oct 13 19:12:45 2011 No.7991188 File: 438 KB, 538x1766, 7631019.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7990562 Not necessarily her doing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:31:15 2011 No.7991283 I always though that Patchy smell like vanilla :(

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:34:16 2011 No.7991294 >>7990183 >>7990185 Can someone explain to me what's wrong with that phrase? I'm obviously not a native English speaker.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:35:45 2011 No.7991296 File: 182 KB, 600x600, b4fe4b72aea991038d6202b0033cd44a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Patchouli can't concentrate on her reading with all your arguing. Quiet down.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:41:32 2011 No.7991313 >>7991294 >going to Future tense I am going to get fat (in the future). Present tense I am fat (right now) Past tense I was fat (in the past) That's the best way I can explain it. I'm not a very good teacher.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:44:45 2011 No.7991319 She IS fat, but she's still "borderline glamorous"

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:46:44 2011 No.7991328
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>>7991294
"You're going to get fat." Implies that she's not fat at present, but that she will get fat if she doesn't exercise. OP was using this sentence to imply that Patchouli is fat at this moment, which does not appear to be true. People reacted to this fallacy, not a grammatical mistake.

On another note, Auschwitz-mode moe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:46:44 2011 No.7991329 She wears so much baggy and poofy pajamas/robes that if she's fat is anyone's guess.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:47:46 2011 No.7991332 >>7991313 >>7991328 Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:48:16 2011 No.7991336 >>7991328 Read post >>7990204

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:50:15 2011 No.7991342 File: 246 KB, 595x842, 169811.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fanon vs Canon threads are the funniest threads because the stupidest retards from both sides argue on the stupidest shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:50:45 2011 No.7991341 She's a youkai. They're different.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:56:46 2011 No.7991365 >>7991336 No exercise does not, in any way, guarantee weight increase. Increase in fat and decrease in muscle is highly likely, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:59:46 2011 No.7991372 >>7991283 She smells like boxes of old books and musty basements.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 20:13:51 2011 No.7991422 >>7991365 Must this be repeated for the 20th time? She lives in the place with the highest amount of fine food in Gensokyo and they make banquets constantly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 20:19:55 2011 No.7991437 >>7991422 Yet you don't seem to realize the simple concept that easy access to food =/= eating incessantly at every opportunity.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 23:17:17 2011 No.7991898

>>7991049
>Listen, people were extra-scared before Reimu came around because there was no spellcard draft and therefore youkai were free to eat them as they wanted.

But that is not true. People were not extra scared before Reimu came around. A bit after the creation of the Hakurei Barrier around 1880, youkai and humans were able to co-exist.
All the spell card rules does is protect Reimu so that more powerful youkai do not accidentally kill her. People, however, were extra scared before the creation of the barrier, yeah. But my question is what does this have to do with Reimu's ancestors being power houses? How are the two related?

So, now following a time line given by the game is a lame excuse? Patchouli lives in the outside world along with the other residents of the SDM, we know this as fact. It is also fact that the SDM has not moved to Gensokyo until around the Scarlet Mist incident.

My contention is this, if you may: Patchouli was a shut in most definitely before the events of EoSD, as said in her profile.
However, her later profiles indicate that she is more active than before, with her actually traveling places in the fighting games.
My conclusion would be, why would she gain weight when she has been more active now than the past hundred years or more?
That would not make any logical sense as far as I can tell.

I am nitpicking, because I am reasoning relatively with a before and a after scenario.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 23:28:54 2011 No.7991949

>>7991898
>But that is not true. People were not extra scared before Reimu came around. A bit after the creation of the Hakurei Barrier around 1880, youkai and humans were able to co-exist. All the spell card rules does is protect Reimu so that more powerful youkai do not accidentally kill her.

...What? Do you even read the books?

The spellcard draft, besides removing the concept of using one's abilities at fullest, denies youkai the ability to eat a human should this one engage in danmaku (the result matters not) which is why people felt more scared before the draft, which happened between MS and EoSD since they were at risk of being eaten, see?

>she is more active than before
Eh? Where does it say that?

>My conclusion would be, why would she gain weight when she has been more active now than the past hundred years or more? That would not make any logical sense as far as I can tell.

...As said countless times before, the times she goes out is because of her involvement in the incidents in the fighting games, however, counting the 100 years she spent in the library plus the whatever number of years happened between EoSD and now, it's clear that the amount of time she spends, say, not standing still reading books does not compare in the least to the time she has spent actually doing so.

See? You're nitpicking, aiming a things that have zero value while the main argument against you stands still. If anything, note that I'm not saying she's ''fat'', but she isn't in a fit shape either at least, her health is also very deteriorated due to the atmosphere of the library according to her profiles.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 23:57:46 2011 No.7992041

>>7991949
Yes, I read the books, here is an excerpt taken from PMiSS:

>Still, it's quite obvious that Gensokyo has changed drastically over the past hundred years or so.
>The days where humans live in terror of youkai, or desperately exterminate them have passed, and the world has become a place where youkai come to the human village to play, and humans are invited into the houses of devils.

It seems to me like Gensokyo is much safer in these last hundred years. It is fairly obvious this is before the spell card rules were in effect. But yes, spell card rules probably lowered the human death rate even more.

It doesn't say that, it is a conclusion I got from her profiles. Her profile in EoSD says she pretty much most of her time in the library.
Her profile in IaMP says while she does spend a lot of time in her library, she goes out to look for knowledge.
Her profile in SWR does not say anything.
Her profile in SA mentions nothing about the library and instead says she wants to investigate what is going on and mentions how she went to visit Yukari, who lives who knows where, to get the investigation started.
Finally, while there is no profile of her in Hisoutensoku, Meiling's ending tells you they(Patchouli included) are all traveling to see Hisoutensoku.
So yes, from this, my conclusion is that she is more active, which may or may not be true, it is your judgement call.

We are presented with facts, she is sickly in EoSD, has anemia and asthma or something.
The argument was, did she get fat over the course of the game? I argue no, because comparatively speaking, she is much more active now than before.
Now, if we were to argue if she is still sickly, then I have no idea and I cannot argue that. Sickness works a bit differently than fat, because sometimes there is nothing you can do about it.

My guess is around 10 years have past between EoSD and now, since EoSD was released in 2002.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 00:02:21 2011 No.7992058 Patchy is hot as fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 00:07:52 2011 No.7992071 File: 872 KB, 1200x1358, 1317071759682.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7992058 Indeed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 00:14:38 2011 No.7992088 >>7991422 A ridiculous assumption to make that an abundant food supply necessarily results in overconsumption. Like I said, it's an exclusively American way of thinking.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 00:14:38 2011 No.7992089

>>7992041
>
It seems to me like Gensokyo is much safer in these last hundred years. It is fairly obvious this is before the spell card rules were in effect. But yes, spell card rules probably lowered the human death rate even more.

It's because the barrier was made 100 years ago (actually 131 today), therefore youkai are no longer as enigmatic or seen as wild nigh-invincible animals as they were before in the forests of the Japanese region known as Gensokyo. Either way, that statement only says that some youkai slowly over the course of ONE HUNDRED YEARS came over to terms with the humans, say, Yukari for the most part. In those 100 years, there was still mass murdering of both humans and youkai everywhere and the village was the only safe haven as long as people didn't went too close to the edge during the night. It was like that until Reimu implemented the spellcard rules that the youkai were forced to remove their villager diet permanently.

Of course the previous Hakurei mikos were powerhouses, otherwise, Reimu wouldn't be as powerful as she is today since her powers come from blood inheritance, the Hakurei needed those powers to fight off youkai which was their duty.

>the rest

I see nothing that collides with my argument or that hasn't been already answered before in a previous post.

Stop being so redundant, for the 20th time, I'm not saying that Patchouli never leaves and it shows, I'm saying that the time that you may call ''exercise'' does not compare anywhere near the amount of time she spends doing nothing but reading books and eating.

Gonna take a nap now.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 00:17:38 2011 No.7992097

>>7992088
You don't read much do you?

She literally spent her time doing absolutely nothing except read books in her gigantic library and eat for one hundred years.

Also, Remilia suggested that she could get fat recently, which is the point of this thread.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 00:19:38 2011 No.7992103

>>7992097

You can be completely hikkikomori and not get fat.

In fact, being inactive is a great way to lose weight (and muscle). You won't feel as hungry, and you can get away with 1-2 meals a day.

Remilia suggesting that Patchy can get fat has been addressed on multiple occasions.

>You're going to get fat

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 00:57:55 2011 No.7992183

>>7992089
You do know that Yukari is one of the creators of that very barrier right? So that specific statement cannot possibly apply to her, since she is one of the ones who helped create it. Also, she is friends with a human(Yuyuko) way before this human-youkai cooperation.
I cannot agree with you in this at all, there is no mass murdering or such, or need I quote that statement again?
The statement clearly says humans were on FRIENDLY terms with youkai, to the point where youkai can visit the human village. That is not something that happens just because of spell card rules, which happened during EoSD.
You know Keine and Kourin right? They would be evicted if humans and youkai were not on friendly terms. This is way before Reimu's appearance.
What spell card rules does and I repeat this, is it makes it so that stronger youkai do not accidentally kill Reimu. Of course, part of the rules was youkai cannot eat humans.
By the way, spell card rules was not invented by Reimu, some youkai gave this to Reimu(I personally believe it's Yuuka) and Reimu implemented it.

>Of course the previous Hakurei mikos were powerhouses, otherwise, Reimu wouldn't be as powerful as she is today since her powers come from blood inheritance, the Hakurei needed those powers to fight off youkai which was their duty.

That is simply an assumption which may or may not be true. There is absolutely no evidence of this.
Reimu is known to be exceptionally talented, as seen in SSiB, she is one of the very few people who can actually summon gods without doing the proper rituals, something mikos cannot do and only exceptionally talented people can do.

And I am saying Patchouli is more active now than she was in the past(prior to EoSD). My question is, why would you think she became fatter now than before when she became more active?
This is like saying Patchouli was thin and did nothing for a hundred years. Now she does something, but she got fat. How does this even make sense?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 00:58:54 2011 No.7992187 >>7992103 I don't know what it's like for other people, but when I sit at home, I inevitably get bored and start to want to eat something even if I'm not hungry. I will just graze constantly on whatever's there, be it candy or soda or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 01:04:54 2011 No.7992211 >>7992187 I do not like sweets and do not drink soda. Only candy I would eat is with nuts of some kind, so I don't have your problem. I do enjoy fruits, especially strawberries, blueberries, mangoes, watermelons, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 01:13:54 2011 No.7992232 Oh my fucking god you're still trying to extract concrete truth out of this?

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Fri Oct 14 01:14:53 2011 No.7992237
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>>7992187
Yeah my diet is pretty shitty, quality wise, but more often than not i'm too lazy to actually eat anything so I just go take a nap.

Laziness is the key, theres a steep increase in how fat you'll get depending on how lazy you are. Then you hit a certain point in laziness where you are too lazy to even gain weight. That is my home.

Its like the uncanny valley of lazy.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 01:18:58 2011 No.7992245

>>7992183
Hum.

I'm not saying that every youkai is evil, I'm saying that, through those 100 years, some youkai started getting on clear terms with humans while others kept on doing hunts and rampages (the books and PC-98 games show this). The fact that some youkai were now into friendly terms does not mean that the whole youkai species were the same, in fact, there's still youkai today who are still persistent on attacking humans (like Rumia, Mystia and Wriggle).

Keine is a hakutaku which is considered actually a guardian of humans, being mean to them is considered a wrong thing to do and it's tradition. Kourin is half-youkai and he doesn't live in the village but in the outskirts so he can pick up more items from the outside.

>By the way, spell card rules was not invented by Reimu, some youkai gave this to Reimu(I personally believe it's Yuuka) and Reimu implemented it.

That's only a suggestion done by Akyuu since the whole reason that Reimu agreed to do this was because she was bored and the youkai were feeling in a tight situation, Yuuka isn't likely to be it since Reimu's last encounter with her she acted in rather childishly villainy way, although that's kind of to be expected from the PC-98 games.

I never said that all youkai were evil, I'm saying that youkai for the most part were still hunting humans and are still doing it today. Those whom Reimu has beaten become friendly towards her and start visiting her shrine and the village more.

And one more thing, ever wondered why villagers don't come to Reimu's shrine? Biggest reason: YOUKAI USE THAT PLACE AS A HANGOUT, this has been mentioned plenty of times as well.

>she became fatter
Because as said countless times before, the amount of time she spent doing ''exercise'' is almost numb compared to the time she spent doing nothing but reading eating, I've said this too many times, I won't say it again.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 01:22:58 2011 No.7992253

>>7992183
>>7992245
Forgot to say, Mima states that Reimu being able to beat her means that she has inherited the Hakurei abilities properly, i.e: the previous Hakurei Mikos were tough. Also, shrine maidens original ability was to channel gods anyway, Reimu just learned how to do it in a ritual she already knew of.

>>7992103
Remilia suggesting that means that Patchy's lifestyle isn't very adequate, not even with having just fought her which is where that quote comes from.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 02:00:33 2011 No.7992371

>>7992245
Kourin used to live in the human village back then. He moved from Marisa's dad shop to make his own store.
Oh and I agree with you that not all youkai are on friendly terms with humans, but it wasn't like before 100 years ago, those were actually dangerous times where death would not be uncommon.

As far as I can tell, Yuuka is one of the very few youkai that know Reimu prior to spell card rules, which is why I believe it is her, but that is my personal belief and I have zero proof to back this up. That and all that language about beauty considering what type of youkai Yuuka is.
Well Akyuu is a fairly reliable character and she did say that draft was written on the same paper as a youkai's contract.

My explanation was the same as before as it is now. Before arriving to Gensokyo, Patchouli seems to be less active. After arriving to Gensokyo, Patchouli is more active.
Patchouli was not seen as fat in EoSD.
What changed? How did she become fat when she is more active?
One more thing, why are you saying that Patchouli is eating more now than back before EoSD? What changed?

I am aware that mikos could channel gods with the proper rituals. Reimu is especially talented, because she does not need the proper rituals to channel gods. This makes her one step beyond what other mikos can do.
Oh, I don't disagree that previous generations of mikos are tough, but I do not think they are nearly as tough as Reimu nor do I think they are powerhouses, since Reimu is supposedly very talented.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 02:14:09 2011 No.7992407

>>7992371
>Well Akyuu is a fairly reliable character

I'm gonna say this first and just advice you to never EVER mutter this somewhere else, I'm not against PMiSS or inside any fad bullcrap but there is an insane amount of people who believe that PMiSS should not be taken as canon because ZUN said a mere sentence involving ''Akyuu is not that reliable'' which refers to the times she mentioned things like ''not much is known on this subject'' and ''this is unconfirmed'' and the fact that she is 10 (13?) minds fused into one's worth of memory recollection.

>because she does not need the proper rituals to channel gods.

She did need it in SSiB, there's also no info on whether or not the previous shrine maidens could start summoning gods at the start of a ritual or not. Also, she's only used such power 3 times was it? Twice in SSiB and once in WaHH in which she had to trance to get to them.

>but I do not think they are nearly as tough as Reimu nor do I think they are powerhouses, since Reimu is supposedly very talented.

That ''talent'' that the books/profiles speak of refer to her natural inheritance of the Hakurei abilities since she is related by blood. It's also shown that Reimu progressively develops more and more abilities as time passes (PC-98 games are clear examples), therefore, it would mean that the previous Hakurei shrine maidens would also possess such power at an even higher rate when they reached an older age, this may also involve the ritual that Reimu used to be able to channel the gods and summon their powers.

>Patchouli was not seen as fat in EoSD.
Remember that this is all based on a comment made from Remilia directly to her, the fact that something is not mentioned does not mean that such something is _not true_, we can discard those which haven't been suggested anywhere but we can't discard thoes who have, like Remilia's quote.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 02:17:14 2011 No.7992409

>>7992371
>>7992407
Cont.

>One more thing, why are you saying that Patchouli is eating more now than back before EoSD? What changed?

I'm not saying she has started to eat more, I'm saying that the amount of- Oh nonono I'm not saying it again, read the previous 50 times if you please, leave it alone already.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 02:43:05 2011 No.7992480

>>7992407
>there is an insane amount of people who believe that PMiSS should not be taken as canon because ZUN said a mere sentence involving ''Akyuu is not that reliable'' which refers to the times she mentioned things like ''not much is known on this subject'' and ''this is unconfirmed'' and the fact that she is 10 (13?) minds fused into one's worth of memory recollection.

Akyuu admits to lying, and spends an entire chapter of PMiSS explaining why and how the contents may differ from reality. Did you even read it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 02:44:06 2011 No.7992483 You can say danmaku is made of body fat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 02:56:11 2011 No.7992523 Obviously the fat is going to her tits

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:02:11 2011 No.7992542

>>7992480
That does not mean that every piece of info is going to be ''false'', it's obvious which parts are real and which parts are dubious, hence why she fills and ends them with ''X is not known'' or the like. Those events that have a very ancient date of happening are naturally more bland and feeble due to Hieda's inperfect reincarnation, but it still works.

Also, why make a book made to tell the world of Gensokyo if it's all lies?

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:18:09 2011 No.7992584

>>7992407
There are parts where it is possible she is unreliable, but this is unlikely one of those times.
Since she mentioned the paper was the same as a youkai's contract, so I assume they use different paper or it is different in such a way that it is recognizable.

Reimu does not need the proper rituals to summon the gods, that was the whole reason why Yorihime was getting all the blame. From Cage in Lunatic Runagate:
>I later asked Princess Yorihime why such a rumor was spreading and apparently there was someone who had been summoning the gods of the moon without taking proper measures to do so.

The books and windows games do not refer to PC98, so I cannot assume they are referring to PC98. The only time PC98 is ever referenced was in EoSD and that was it.
Yukari was the one that taught Reimu how to summon the Sumiyoshi gods.

Yes, Remilia's quote and my statement is still the same, nothing changed. If we assume what Remilia says is true, and Patchouli does EXACTLY the same things, then she will get fat. However, we know that was not what happened.
7.5 takes place before 8, which is IN. During IN, we know she built a rocket, which took lots of time, I think it was a year, maybe I am remembering wrong though. Then after IN, a year has passed to PoFV, then another year passes to MoF. After MoF, it is SWR, where you know she was traveling around.
After SWR, it is SA, where she was also traveling around.
After SA, it is UFO, then after that, it is Hisoutensoku, where you once again know she has at least traveled.
These are the times we know for sure she moved around. It does not mean between those periods she is always indoors, since Hisoutensoku clearly indicates most of the fighters are competitive.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:21:39 2011 No.7992591 That's some hardcore autism in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:24:09 2011 No.7992598 So why is there two Touhou wikis?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:26:39 2011 No.7992603 >>7992542 "X lies" does not mean "X lies all the time". It does, however, mean "X is unreliable and needs to be approached with caution, as without additional data you cannot determine whether a particular thing she says if true or not".

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:26:39 2011 No.7992604 [DELETED]

>>7992480
So what if Akyuu admits her records may not be 100% factual? You make it sound like that automatically makes everything she writes false.
Akyuu clearly writes theories and maybes in her work. This is to allow you to discern that these may be true, but not 100% accurate.
PMiSS is a canon source and is reliable, and so is BAiJR, even though that is less reliable. But there are truths to that as well, even if Aya is known for embellishing it. This is the same way we can rely on other canon sources, like Marisa's Grimoire and stuff. Not everything mentioned is true, but a lot of it should be believable.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:29:11 2011 No.7992616

>>7992604
>You make it sound like that automatically makes everything she writes false.

No, only you make it sound like that, a technique which is often called creating a strawman.

I can't tell if you do it out of stupidity or intellectual dishonesty, but either way, I'd appreciate if you stopped.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:29:39 2011 No.7992613

>>7992480
Opps, I thought I responded to the wrong person.
Reposting:
So what if Akyuu admits her records may not be 100% factual? You make it sound like that automatically makes everything she writes false.
Akyuu clearly writes theories and maybes in her work. This is to allow you to discern that these may be true, but not 100% accurate.
PMiSS is a canon source and is reliable, and so is BAiJR, even though that is less reliable. But there are truths to that as well, even if Aya is known for embellishing it. This is the same way we can rely on other canon sources, like Marisa's Grimoire and stuff. Not everything mentioned is true, but a lot of it should be believable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:30:11 2011 No.7992619 File: 16 KB, 295x517, Ribbon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7992591 Please be tolerant of those with special minds.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:32:39 2011 No.7992623 >>7992591 I find this thread to be the greatest thing to grace /jp/ for weeks. As you watch this unfold between our most dedicated autists you can actually catch a glimpse, this tiny little tingling in the spine, of how the normal world must see /jp/.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:43:12 2011 No.7992648

>>7992616
>Akyuu admits to lying, and spends an entire chapter of PMiSS explaining why and how the contents may differ from reality. Did you even read it?

Unless my English really that terrible, from the context of this sentence and what it is responding to, it infers Akyuu is unreliable and should not be believed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:44:42 2011 No.7992652 >>7992648 >Unless my English really that terrible Should be: Unless my English is really that terrible

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:44:42 2011 No.7992655 [DELETED]

>>7992584
>EXACTLY the same things, then she will get fat. However, we know that was not what happened.
7.5 takes place before 8, which is IN. During IN, we know she built a rocket, which took lots of time, I think it was a year, maybe I am remembering wrong though. Then after IN, a year has passed to PoFV, then another year passes to MoF. After MoF, it is SWR, where you know she was traveling around.
After SWR, it is SA, where she was also traveling around.
After SA, it is UFO, then after that, it is Hisoutensoku, where you once again know she has at least traveled.
These are the times we know for sure she moved around. It does not mean between those periods she is always indoors, since Hisoutensoku clearly indicates most of the fighters are competitive.

Listen to yourself, you're treating mere walks such as her going over to talk to Yukari as extreme belly-breaking exercise. That Soku part has no basis either, but it doesn't matter anyway. I'll repeat it again, the amount of time she's been shown to not-being-reading-and-reading is mere minutes whereas, and I'll say this so you can't go back up with your ''oh she changed her routines'', she's spent TEN YEARS minus those precious minutes doing nothing but reading, eating and sleeping.

>Reimu does not need the proper rituals to summon the gods

I meant that the first time she does it to learn the ability she does do a ritual, I even remember Marisa messing it up (for the first and only time in front of Reimu's eyes), I'm not sure if Yukari is the one that taught her that but either way it's a miko tradition to channel gods as said before.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:47:13 2011 No.7992665 [DELETED]

>>7992584

>EXACTLY the same things, then she will get fat. However, we know that was not what happened. 7.5 takes place before 8, which is IN. During IN, we know she built a rocket, which took lots of time, I think it was a year, maybe I am remembering wrong though. Then after IN, a year has passed to PoFV, then another year passes to MoF. After MoF, it is SWR, where you know she was traveling around.
After SWR, it is SA, where she was also traveling around.
After SA, it is UFO, then after that, it is Hisoutensoku, where you once again know she has at least traveled.
These are the times we know for sure she moved around. It does not mean between those periods she is always indoors, since Hisoutensoku clearly indicates most of the fighters are competitive.

Listen to yourself, you're treating mere walks such as her going over to talk to Yukari as extreme belly-breaking exercise in an attempt to make it seem like all that ''movement'' is gonna do something. That Soku part has no basis either, but it doesn't matter anyway. I'll repeat it again, the amount of time she's been shown to not-being-reading-and-reading is mere minutes whereas, and I'll say this so you can't go back up with your ''oh she changed her routines when she entered Gensokyo'', she's spent TEN YEARS minus those precious minutes doing nothing but reading, eating and sleeping, in Gensokyo.

>Reimu does not need the proper rituals to summon the gods

I meant that the first time she does it to learn the ability she does do a ritual, I even remember Marisa messing it up (for the first and only time in front of Reimu's eyes), I'm not sure if Yukari is the one that taught her that but either way it's a miko tradition to channel gods as said before.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:47:44 2011 No.7992668 >>7992648 "is unreliable and should not be believed" quite obviously does not equal "automatically makes everything she writes false". Somehow I don't believe you're seriously unable to grasp the difference.

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Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:48:44 2011 No.7992671

>>7992584

>EXACTLY the same things, then she will get fat. However, we know that was not what happened. 7.5 takes place before 8, which is IN. During IN, we know she built a rocket, which took lots of time, I think it was a year, maybe I am remembering wrong though. Then after IN, a year has passed to PoFV, then another year passes to MoF. After MoF, it is SWR, where you know she was traveling around. After SWR, it is SA, where she was also traveling around. After SA, it is UFO, then after that, it is Hisoutensoku, where you once again know she has at least traveled.
These are the times we know for sure she moved around. It does not mean between those periods she is always indoors, since Hisoutensoku clearly indicates most of the fighters are competitive.

Listen to yourself, you're treating mere walks such as her going over to talk to Yukari as extreme belly-breaking exercise in an attempt to make it seem like all that ''movement'' is gonna do something. That Soku part has no basis either, but it doesn't matter anyway. I'll repeat it again, the amount of time she's been shown to not-being-reading-and-reading is mere minutes whereas, and I'll say this so you can't go back up with your ''oh she changed her routines when she entered Gensokyo'', she's spent TEN YEARS minus those precious minutes doing nothing but reading, eating and sleeping, in Gensokyo.

>Reimu does not need the proper rituals to summon the gods

I meant that the first time she does it to learn the ability she does do a ritual, I even remember Marisa messing it up (for the first and only time in front of Reimu's eyes), I'm not sure if Yukari is the one that taught her that but either way it's a miko tradition to channel gods as said before.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:51:14 2011 No.7992684

I don't get why you people are so obsessed over PMiSS being false.

It obviously has the info we need to know about Gensokyo, except that it won't be too truthful on details that take place in the previous Hiedas' time since she mentions her memory is getting bad. However, all of that info that regards the characters and traditions (like Hakurei's) should be taken as clear since they are actual recent reviews of information about them, albeit some more enigmatic than others like Yukari.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 04:08:46 2011 No.7992736

>>7992671
She does not need to change her entire routine to stay the same. Remilia simply said if she doesn't exercise, then she will get fat.
We know for a fact that her routine is different from before IaMP, so my point is the same, why would it cause her to get fat if her routine is not the same.

We start from IaMP, since that was when the quote starts. IN takes place after IaMP, and that took about 1 year to build a rocket. This means rocket building may still be happening in PoFV or ended a few months before PoFV. That is a lot of work.
My point of Hisoutensoku is you know for a fact that she goes out. How often, no one knows, but you know she does go out.
As with all the fighter games, you also know for a fact that she fights often enough. And with Ten Desires, Yuyuko all but states that is what they do to greet each other. She actually says that in SWR.

Yes, visiting Yukari would be back breaking, as she lives in the middle of nowhere. Heck, visiting Reimu's shrine is a lot of work, cause she lives at the top of a mountain or something. This is not short distance next door neighbor type of walks. This is long distance, miles upon miles of traveling.

Yes, Reimu does know the proper rituals to summon some gods, as all mikos probably learn. However, the thing is, she is able to summon the Sumiyoshi gods without the proper rituals, this is not something mikos can normally do.

>>7992668
Oh, it is different alright. In a sense that what she says is not all fake. But it is the same in a sense that you should not believe whatever she says, since she is so unreliable, which I take issue on, as she indicates throughout her works which are the maybes and ifs.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 04:18:18 2011 No.7992754

>>7992736
>she indicates throughout her works which are the maybes and ifs

Yes, she does. In Monologue, for example. It's not just "buts and ifs", too, it's an entire systemic bias. Yet people repeatedly choose to ignore it and read the contents proper literally.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 04:40:18 2011 No.7992806

>>7992754
I don't really look into a thread that doesn't have some meaningful conversation.
What do people think of her monologue?

From how I read it, it is just that she's telling the readers Gensokyo is not as dangerous as how she makes it out to be on her threat level analysis.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 05:02:51 2011 No.7992833 >>7990562 I know an anemic person with a large butt and breasts.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 10:35:05 2011 No.7993230

>>7992736
>We know for a fact that her routine is different from before IaMP, so my point is the same, why would it cause her to get fat if her routine is not the same.

There was no routine to begin with, the profile states that she rarely goes out and if it is, it's to ''seek out information'' wherever an incident is involved.

>That is a lot of work.

Did you actually see the rocket? It's not A REAL rocket you know, it's the caveman's version and the ''took a year'' does not mean she worked 24/7 to build something of that low caliber.

>My point of Hisoutensoku is you know for a fact that she goes out. How often, no one knows, but you know she does go out.
As with all the fighter games, you also know for a fact that she fights often enough. And with Ten Desires, Yuyuko all but states that is what they do to greet each other. She actually says that in SWR.

You're just making assumptions here, the ''commonly fights'' does not mean anything as she's only fought the times the story mode shows so remove Hisoutensoku from this since she didn't do anything in either of the story modes. Please don't make assumptions as facts.

>Yes, visiting Yukari would be back breaking, as she lives in the middle of nowhere. Heck, visiting Reimu's shrine is a lot of work, cause she lives at the top of a mountain or something. This is not short distance next door neighbor type of walks. This is long distance, miles upon miles of traveling.

NO, nobody even knows where Yukari lives so it's impossible for her to have gone to that location. It's shown that Yukari was trying to avoid to renew the relationships between the underground inhabitants and the above-grounders plus the fact that the spring was used to attract youkai as well (albeit they felt unhappy with the whole evil spirits popping out).

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 10:42:06 2011 No.7993244

>>7992736
Eh, Reimu's shrine isn't that far actually. Cross the lake and go up the stairs in the forest, the term ''in the mountains'' does not mean you have to climb a mountain to reach it, the stairs were made for a reason and the mountains are below the shrine and the stairs obscure it, it starts in the forest.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 10:45:38 2011 No.7993255 File: 617 KB, 600x750, truth.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It doesn't really matter she's a slut either way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 12:09:33 2011 No.7993487 >>7993244 >the term ''in the mountains'' does not mean you have to climb a mountain to reach it Especially when you can, you know, fly.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:41:24 2011 No.7994714

>>7993230
You have got to be kidding me if nobody knows where Yukari lives. Reimu clearly went to Mayohiga in PCB. And Yuyuko obviously knows where Yukari lives.
Now, normal people wouldn't know where she lives, because you know, it is in the middle of nowhere. Patchouli is anything but normal, and it specifically says in her profile that she went to visit Yukari, it would only mean she did just that.

Yes, and did you see the inside of the rocket? Did you see the fancy bed? The outside may look crappy, but that means nothing.

You cannot remove her from Hisoutensoku in this, because that is specifically where Alice mentions how everyone seems to be bloodthirsty. Alice is clearly talking about all of the SWR characters and NOT just the new characters.
If you don't believe me, then explain to me why would Patchouli have new skills in Hisoutensoku over SWR?
And yes, I am making assumptions here, assumptions I think are safe. It is just like how I assume Patchouli studied on the people she fought, because she was talking about their weaknesses in IaMP.
The point I have been trying to make and am making right now is the exact same. She is far more active now than before. The places she travels to, far as hell, it isn't short walks you just dismiss.

>>7993244
Uh, the shrine is pretty high up, you are making it sound like it is a simple short walk. From that shrine, you can see Forest of Magic and the Misty Lake.

>>7993487
Yes, and do remember flying takes effort. My point is very simple, the places you see them travel, it is far, it is not short simple walks. You know heaven where Tenshi lives? That would definitely be above Mt. Everest, a place humans have a very tough time climbing.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:58:25 2011 No.7994769

I barely exercise and I eat a lot and I still can never grow fat. So I have no idea what the big deal is.

Common understanding is without exercise and huge consumption of food will lead to being fat which is not always the case.

Hiki NEET for 4 years plus and I am not fat

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:59:56 2011 No.7994777 >>7994769 In you case, you most likely have high bodyfat even if you're not heavy overall.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:05:29 2011 No.7994790 >>7994777 >have high bodyfat I am thin, and I can have high body fat. Can you elaborate further...?

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:11:36 2011 No.7994810

>>7994790
you'd be what is called "skinnyfat"
not heavy, not muscular, but with enough fat on you where you don't see your muscles or bones
your metabolism is still good enough to where you won't get fat even though you eat a lot and sit on your ass but eventually it will slow down and you will begin to fatten

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:24:28 2011 No.7994841 Oh yes, patchy is fat. So fat that her robes are starting to tear apart, she stuffs her face every day with junk foods and her gut hangs out several feet in front of her

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:29:59 2011 No.7994852

>>7994714
>Yes, and do remember flying takes effort.

Balls.

>That would definitely be above Mt. Everest, a place humans have a very tough time climbing.

That does not work here, otherwise Reimu would have suffocated in MoF and SWR. The way to get to heaven was to climb the youkai mountain and drop off into the sea of clouds to proceed into their domain.

>Uh, the shrine is pretty high up, you are making it sound like it is a simple short walk.

It is, I don't know if the forest is at a higher altittude than the rest of Gensokyo but the manga shows the whole ladder and it's more angled horizontally than vertically, not to mention about 1 min of walking judging by the number of steps.

>Reimu clearly went to Mayohiga in PCB.
Intuition, she didn't know where she was going but knew it was the right way. Besides, it's close to the Hakurei Shrine since they're both on the border between the barrier and Gensokyo.

> where Alice mentions how everyone seems to be bloodthirsty

You cannot confirm that she is referring to Patchouli or to many people at all, she could be talking about those who went paranoid over the ''huge shadow''. You're just making assumptions since nothing in Soku indicates Patchouli took part in anything CLEARLY.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:30:00 2011 No.7994854

(Cont.)

>If you don't believe me, then explain to me why would Patchouli have new skills in Hisoutensoku over SWR?
Everybody got new skills, are you saying Reimu trained? Don't make me laugh, we don't see every single spellcard the character has in every incarnation in which they appear and they obviously have more in store. Patchouli used spellcards in the extra stage of EoSD that she didn't use in stage 4, for example. Again, you're making baseless assumptions.

Please stop being so redundant over yourself, I'm not denying she's more active now (she didn't leave her room in 100 years), I'm saying that you're EXAGGERATING, nitpicking over and over things that have little to no value in terms of ''exercise'' and using broad and absurd assumptions to claim the bigger ones.

Hell, even if all of you said were 100% accurate to your wild imagination (it isn't), it'd STILL be nothing compared to the time she's stayed home, which is what I've been saying, I know the times she's left her house, I'm saying those are mere minutes compared to the 110 years she's spent doing nothing see~?

Good grief, you're so persistent over such a lost cause.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:39:58 2011 No.7994885 What are you guys even arguing about?

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:43:29 2011 No.7994897
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Ahem.

Patchy is a hikki by definition since she has stayed locked up in her room in a period of over 6 months. 100 years if I'm correct before EoSD and 10 years with some breaks in between post-EoSD.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:45:29 2011 No.7994900
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>>7994810
>not heavy, not muscular, but with enough fat on you where you don't see your muscles or bones
>bones

Sorry to dissapoint but I can slightly see my ribcage bones. But I am guess I am slightly out of the ordinary.

>your metabolism is still good enough to where you won't get fat even though you eat a lot and sit on your ass but eventually it will slow down and you will begin to fatten

Well I guess time will tell.
Last but not least, the little girl me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:53:36 2011 No.7994931 Hahaha, you fags are still talking about Patchouli's figure? Haha, oh man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:56:36 2011 No.7994942 >>7994900 but can you see your abs, however underdeveloped they might be? "slightly seeing your ribcage" while still having fat on your stomach means you're still skinnyfat

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:58:36 2011 No.7994948 >>7994810 That's complete bullshit. Only Americans get fat from being lazy. I've said this over and over again in the Fatchouli thread-- it's possible to not exercise and not get fat. To some people, 1800 kcals can seem like "a lot of food."

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 20:07:32 2011 No.7994978

>>7994942
>but can you see your abs, however underdeveloped they might be?
No, I don't think so...

>"slightly seeing your ribcage" while still having fat on your stomach means you're still skinnyfat
I afraid I do not have what you said I should have.

I do easily get sick..flu, fever and cough, so I believe that it might relate somehow to my condition

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 20:12:32 2011 No.7994982 >>7994978 if you've got fat on your stomach while still being low in poundage, you're skinnyfat. not to mention the sedentary lifestyle.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 20:16:32 2011 No.7994997 >>7994948 >1800 kcals >lot of food If you're as poor as the average European wage-earner, basically, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 20:21:32 2011 No.7995009 >>7994982 Which I earlier said so, I do not see any fat on my stomach. I guess extremely high metabolism possible?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 20:27:37 2011 No.7995028 >>7995009 When you sit down do you have protruding gut

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 20:29:37 2011 No.7995032 >>7994997 I'm not going to even follow up on this. >every meal must contain ass loads of carbs >every meal must be laced in dairy products If you're a hikkikomori you absolutely do not need to consume carb rich foods like bread and rice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 20:34:37 2011 No.7995047 >>7995028 or when standing, can you grab fat on your stomach? doesn't have to be a handful. just enough to latch on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 20:39:37 2011 No.7995067 >>7995047 Everybody can do that, you'd have to be emaciated or a bodybuilder to not be able to grab something from your stomach. I am severely UNDERweight and I still can.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 20:47:42 2011 No.7995098 >>7995067 that's because a lot of people are skinnyfat

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:11:15 2011 No.7995170

>>7994852
>That does not work here, otherwise Reimu would have suffocated in MoF and SWR. The way to get to heaven was to climb the youkai mountain and drop off into the sea of clouds to proceed into their domain.

No, she would not, she is not a normal human. When you fight Tenshi, you are VERY high up, as shown by her final spell card. And no, you do not travel down from the peak of Youkai mountain, you travel up to the Sea of Clouds, then up some more to heaven.

>It is, I don't know if the forest is at a higher altittude than the rest of Gensokyo but the manga shows the whole ladder and it's more angled horizontally than vertically, not to mention about 1 min of walking judging by the number of steps.

I call bullshit if you really expect that to be a 1 minute walk. Look at the intro to SWR, according to it, you can see both Misty Lake and Forest of the Magic from there, so it is high up.

We cannot really say Mayohiga is close to the Hakurei shrine, as we have no idea where it is. But apparently Pathcouli knows the area, since she went to visit Yukari.

Yes, I am saying Reimu trained. You seriously think she does not ever train? Refer to SSiB and Curiosities of Lotus Asia if you do not think Reimu ever trains.

And no, Alice is most definitely not talking about the huge shadow, since you know, both of those were in the same game, as in, they happen at similar times. Alice must be referring to earlier activities.
Patchouli most definitely was in Soku, watch Meiling's ending.
Did she take part in fighting, I assume so, because of Alice's comments.

Why the heck are you comparing 110 years of staying inside? Should you not start from IaMP? You know when Remilia made that comment? You also may want to look at the time stamp IaMP has. Patchouli was outside for HOURS. And you can assume the similar things in SWR.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:12:42 2011 No.7995173 >>7994852 You know the netherworld she visits? That garden is 200 Yojana long, that is about 1600 miles. What I am wondering is why you are trivializing the distance Patchouli travels. Those are not short distances, they are long.

>>	Formura Fri Oct 14 21:22:42 2011 No.7995211 Unsurprisingly, /jp/ doesn't understand how "metabolisms" work. I don't have anything else to contribute.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:23:42 2011 No.7995213 >>7995098 But you are wrong, retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:28:12 2011 No.7995229 Guys, let's go back to discussing how fat patchy is and how she breaks furniture because she is so fat

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:31:31 2011 No.7995238 >>7995229 But I think she's so skinny that she floats off the planet and enters a high-speed trajectory to Mars, so we can't.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:49:42 2011 No.7995283

>No, she would not, she is not a normal human. When you fight Tenshi, you are VERY high up, as shown by her final spell card. And no, you do not travel down from the peak of Youkai mountain, you travel up to the Sea of Clouds, then up some more to heaven.

I like how you seem you can break through any arguments saying ''oh she's not a normal human'', she feels cold too you know? Even a mere winter angers her since she feels cold all the time, compare that to something you call ''higher than mount Everest'' and it's ridiculous.

>I call bullshit if you really expect that to be a 1 minute walk. Look at the intro to SWR, according to it, you can see both Misty Lake and Forest of the Magic from there, so it is high up.

That's why I said that maybe the forest was at a higher altitude despite the ladder not being as high enough to reach something that could see all of Gensokyo, please read more carefully.

>Yes, I am saying Reimu trained. You seriously think she does not ever train? Refer to SSiB and Curiosities of Lotus Asia if you do not think Reimu ever trains.

Those were forced you know, she hates training nor does she need it since she already has her inheritance giving her powers. But either way, you didn't deny what I said in this aspect in terms of Patchouli so I have nothing else to say.

>Patchouli most definitely was in Soku, watch Meiling's ending. Did she take part in fighting, I assume so, because of Alice's comments.

See? You're desperately grasping onto straws, even though I was obviously referring to Patchouli doing any kind of activity you go ahead and focus on her appearing in an ending and a bland, general quote that Alice mentions.

>you also may want to look at the time stamp IaMP has. Patchouli was outside for HOURS

She spends 3 whole stages in her library, way to go.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:50:42 2011 No.7995288

(Cont.)
You still haven't achieved nothing but repeat yourself again and again, please don't post if you're going to be so redundant and not counter the main argument and just nitpick worthless things.

>>7995173
Oh please, you know very well that the mansion is not at the very end of the garden, it's the other way around, don't do that.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:34:21 2011 No.7995420

>>7995283
So, you are disputing facts now. Fact: When you face Tenshi's final spell, you are in low earth orbit or close to it, WAY higher than Mt. Everest.
Now, for other facts, from the top of Youkai Mountain, you need to go UP to get to Heaven. Youkai Mountain is not some sort distance that you can just travel.
The only thing you can do is reason why this is even possible, there is not much else you can do about it.

You may want to reread either SSiB or CoLA if you think those were forced training.
Reimu did not mind training, so how is that forced?

Yes, I am saying that she appears in the ending. And yes, I am saying Alice talks about how everyone likes fighting.
Should we go through this again? What happens when two Touhou characters meet? They danmaku.
See Scarlet Weather Rhapsody when you talk with Yuyuko. See Ten Desires when you talk with Yuyuko.
Even on regular conversations where Alice or Marisa visits Patchouli, they danmaku.
Are you seriously telling me they ONLY do this in the fighting games? You may want to read Curiosities of Lotus Asia if you think danmaku happens only in the games.

You also seen PCB right? You know the endless stairs of Hakugyokurou that you need to get by to reach the Netherworld? Yeah, those are long stairs.

And your point being? Again, I request that you check the time stamp on when she is outside. I said and repeat, she is outside for HOURS.

And yes, I am repeating myself, because you insist on trivializing the amount of time she spends traveling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:36:50 2011 No.7995431 File: 17 KB, 350x300, patchy bonk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Be quiet.

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Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:58:30 2011 No.7995503

>>7995420
> Fact: When you face Tenshi's final spell, you are in low earth orbit or close to it, WAY higher than Mt. Everest.

Whoa, you're cartoonish levels of physics right there. The barrier doesn't include space you know? I don't care how much bullshit you try to squeeze out of ''abnormal humans'', there's absolutely nothing that can protect them from oxygen depravation, this is HEAVEN and Tenshi herself is the one that lifted the player up to that altitude if you remember the fight, don't use cheats buddy.

>You may want to reread either SSiB or CoLA if you think those were forced training.
Reimu did not mind training, so how is that forced?

Let me rephrase, she wouldn't have done it if Yukari hadn't told her to remember? SoEW and the books show that she dislikes training and is contrast in that aspect with Marisa, you have no proof that she trains constantly on her own and besides, as said before (and which you're still ignoring), characters do not use all of their cards in battle.

>Yes, I am saying that she appears in the ending
And I'm saying it matters nothing, yet you think it does.

>And yes, I am saying Alice talks about how everyone likes fighting.
Still not helping if you're gonna repeat yourself.

>Should we go through this again? What happens when two Touhou characters meet? They danmaku.

Not necesarily, this is only because of the nature of the games, even in the fights that we see, the cause of the fight is always related to the incident in some way, eg: Reimu suspects Remilia to be the culprit behind the IaMP issue, this only happened because she was solving an incident. I do agree that the battles have ridiculous reasons but don't use such broad assumption as an argument.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:01:30 2011 No.7995508

(Cont.)
There's more times (that we've seen) where characters talk to each other and do not engage in a fight, namely, Patchouli herself when visiting Reimu in SA, when visiting Yukari, etc. And the biggest one, the two billion times that Marisa heads over to Reimu's place without aggression, whereas in CoLA they actually had an argument to engage the fight shown.

I'm guessing you're taking that ''Marisa battles Alice for the lols'' out of IaMP? Let me tell you that whoever is chosen to start their story mode will become aggresively paranoid and start attacking everyone on sight trying to solve the incident, in a matter of speaking.

All in all, you're also taking this as assumption with no clearly stated facts, haven't you learned that the former won't work here?

>And your point being? Again, I request that you check the time stamp on when she is outside. I said and repeat, she is outside for HOURS.

You're like a little commoner boy trying to pick up all the scattered pennies that an adult dropped on the street trying to claim it's worth something. Have you not read any of the above posts regarding your oh-so-worthy ''exercise time''? The first and main argument that was presented since the beginning of the thread which you still can't even come close to scratch?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:26:45 2011 No.7995569 File: 282 KB, 700x943, 1304647032992.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The level of mad in this thread has ascended into multi-part posts. I haven't seen this much mad in over a year.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:36:52 2011 No.7995596

>>7995503
Mind I remind you again that they are fighting in low earth orbit. It doesn't matter how they got there, you know for a fact they were fighting there.
I posted that, because you are saying Reimu somehow will die if she goes as high as Mt. Everest and I am saying it is simply not true, since she fought at points much higher than that.

Reimu does many things that she is not forced to do. Let's not forget Oriental Sacred Palace where she does her yearly ritual of suppressing the devil star so to speak. Or her clearing ritual to remove lies or something.
My point is you claim Reimu never trains, and I am saying not so. We all know she doesn't train like Marisa, but saying she doesn't train, that is just untrue.

Eh? Broad based argument? Did you see how Patchouli and Marisa started fighting and Patchouli and Alice?
For Marisa, it was, she was coming to ask a question and they fight.
For Alice, she also wanted to ask a question and they fight.
What makes you think they do not danmaku, if a simple question results in a fight?
And if you think they are aggressively paranoid, that is only true for some characters. Reimu and Youmu tend to be hard headed so they follow the idea, beat down first, talk second.
Look at Yuyuko's dialogues in IaMP, she is not aggressively paranoid or anything like that.

The first and main argument was Remilia's quote. Her quote indicates if Patchouli did EXACTLY the same things, she would get fat.
Remilia in no way suggested Patchouli go on an exercise regiment or anything like that. She simply says Patchouli does not exercise enough.
Fact is, she did not do the same things since IaMP.

And here, I am listing on how much she travels, which you seem to keep underestimating. I insisted on the time stamps of her being outside, because she's outside for a long time.
And I mention how the places she goes to are far, not short distances. Heaven is far away. Hakugyokurou is far away. Hakurei shrine is probably closer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:55:29 2011 No.7995651 Does flying around EVEN count as exercise?

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 00:05:33 2011 No.7995674

>>7995596
>Let's not forget Oriental Sacred Palace where she does her yearly ritual of suppressing the devil star so to speak.
Why are you doing this anon? Why are you taking something that isn't related to the type of training we're talking about and that ISN'T TRAINING AT ALL? They are ceremonies that the shrine maiden has been tasked to do depending on the occassion or time of the year, they are by no means any kind of combat training like the original subject you were aiming for (training to make new spellcards, which I already responded to and you still haven't countered). Mind you, I'm not saying she's lazy, she's near-perfect-levels of dutiful and I haven't seen her not respond to any of her chores (cleaning up her shrine, resolve incidents and make the traditional ceremonies that we see in the mangas). As you may know, offensive training is not part of her duties.

>And if you think they are aggressively paranoid
...Really now? I can't believe I'm arguing with someone who can't read when something is sarcastic, come on man.

>EXACTLY
No, she didn't, she just said that Patchouli does not exercise much and she's going to get fat, stop manipulating things to your favour.

>Eh? Broad based argument?

Listen buddy, I'm getting tired of repeating it again but DON'T TAKE ASSUMPTIONS AS FACTS, it doesn't matter how retarded the reason for fighting is, you can't prove for certainty that it's a common occurence nor can you prove that 2 characters even battled at all if we don't see it or if it's not mentioned explicitly, this also applies to the ''Alice says everyone fights'' part of your argument.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 00:06:33 2011 No.7995678

(Cont.)

>Remilia in no way suggested Patchouli go on an exercise regiment or anything like that. She simply says Patchouli does not exercise enough.

She didn't explicitly said she should do exercise, she's saying that with Patchouli's lack of exercise (therefore her lifestyle), the one being who's closer to her than any other being on the planet and has infinitely more reliability than you is saying that, right there.

>And I mention how the places she goes to are far, not short distances. Heaven is far away. Hakugyokurou is far away. Hakurei shrine is probably closer.

And I keep saying that you're exaggerating things, not only is ''walking'' not that big of a progress, you're taking it as if just by getting out of the library means that she instatly becomes a fitness example for all to admire. And said again and again, not even with all of your exaggerated effort, it's still nothing compared to the time she spends her life basically as a hikki, in the midst of books whom Alice said that it was difficult to even move inside the library from the mess, not that it hinders their fighting (as we see the way the fight goes that is).

Oh and, here's the killer, how do you know she just doesn't fly for the battle-less walks? You know, like EVERY SINGLE HEROINE DOES ALL THE TIME while solving incident-related matters in the STGs (except they do battle in the air)? And don't give me that ''oh flying takes so much effort'' because you have no proof and because otherwise the heroines would just walk instead of fly.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 00:46:50 2011 No.7995745

>>7995651
Let's assume flying is like walking. It is not much if you walk short distances. But it is a lot if you walk for say miles.

>>7995674
Uh, the first one I mentioned might be a duty. The second one is not her duty. It is like how she wanted to run some sort of scam by worshiping some bogus box in Wild Horned Hermit.
What I am saying is, she is interested in miko stuff. You may not call it training, because she has an interest in it, but it furthers her on her abilities.
Daily rituals, practices, all that is training. How else do you expect Reimu to learn new spell cards?

>No, she didn't, she just said that Patchouli does not exercise much and she's going to get fat, stop manipulating things to your favour.

Huh? And that would mean, if Patchouli does the same thing as before, she would get fat.
Remilia never ever mentions how much more exercise Patchouli needed, just that she doesn't do it.
My argument has been and still is, she has far more exercise now than back then.

>it doesn't matter how retarded the reason for fighting is, you can't prove for certainty that it's a common occurence nor can you prove that 2 characters even battled at all if we don't see it or if it's not mentioned explicitly

I cannot prove it is a common occurrence, but I do not need to prove that. I am merely proving that it happens outside of games.
The fact that these people danmaku for ridiculous reasons is the point. It isn't like Marisa and Alice only visit Patchouli once in a long time.
Fact is, they danmaku with stupid reasons like that, so it is safe to assume they danmaku from time to time when they visit.

I shall mention Yuyuko story once again. Check her story out, danmaku happens fairly often when two Touhou characters meet.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 00:47:29 2011 No.7995747

>>7995674
Continued

Let's assume flying takes a little effort, say comparative to walking, over long distances, it will have an effect.
My reasoning is this, Patchouli travels a lot, especially during the games. If you saw the time stamp once she reaches the netherworld, she spent over 5 hours at Hakugyokurou. I can only assume SWR is similar.

I am well aware that walking doesn't take much effort. However, have you ever walked longer distances, say 10 miles? That is one of the ways to burn fat.
The thing I am trying to say here is still the same. Do not underestimate the distance she is traveling. The locations of the places in those game events are far from each other. It isn't some short 5 minute walk.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 01:13:13 2011 No.7995800

>>7995745
>but it furthers her on her abilities. Daily rituals, practices, all that is training. How else do you expect Reimu to learn new spell cards?

It furthers her on her abilities? Where did you get that from? She's just doing ceremonies, that by no means is going to magically make her more powerful or shove in a new spellcard in her pocket. We also don't even see anybody create new spellcards as of yet, as said before, characters don't use all of their spellcards in one fight. That thing about the ''need'' to create new spellcards in order to adapt is also a baseless assumption, you're trying to apply a battle strategy that you've seen in works of fiction beforehand, that does not mean that Gensokyo people will follow the example.

>And that would mean, if Patchouli does the same thing as before, she would get fat.

She said ''much'', not ''at all'', and this is coming from someone who knows her habits and if she didn't then she would not have suggested it at all. Remember that this quote is right after a fight, you know, the supposed ''exercise''.

>Fact is, they danmaku with stupid reasons like that, so it is safe to assume they danmaku from time to time when they visit.

You are free to assume that, but you cannot force it into facts and I already answered why you can't assume that since there are more times where they meet and don't right rather than when they do, because there's always a cause, do you not read my posts? There's too many holes in your argument that you're trying to get through by ignoring parts of mine, please do not do that.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 01:14:13 2011 No.7995802

(Cont.)
>Let's assume flying takes a little effort,

Why should we? You aren't using anything that correlates proportionally into both sides of the argument, only yours. Flying does not exercise one's physical state since one does not use one's body energy (which leads to burn fat) but instead magic power, and if using magic power burned fat, Patchouli wouldn't be as gloomy or physically-impaired since that's basically all of what she does in battle and the time she learned how to use such magic, nor would Remilia comment on it knowing that her friend spends all of her time learning magic. Oh, that's another thing, the fact that she's physically impaired (even today, so don't pull up the ''she's better now'' card) also shows her lack of proper care-taking of her body.

It seems that your presented so-called ''evidence'' that tries to prove that she's fit is also wronging itself, for if it were productive, she would not be so weak on the physical aspect as said above.

>If you saw the time stamp once she reaches the netherworld, she spent over 5 hours at Hakugyokurou. I can only assume SWR is similar.

There's nowhere in any of her dialogues that states where she will go next, we only see what her next battle is so you cannot state for sure that she went directly to the destination. Another reason to not-take the time stamps as indicator of distance is the time stamp between the battle with Yukari and Suika (this applies to everyone who battles them both), we see Yukari opening the rift and instantly making the character land on the other side where the character will battle Suika, if we see the timestamp, TWO HOURS happened between Yukari opening the rift and Suika appearing despite not moving, see?

The walking issue can be dismissed seeing as how even the most active of people (Marisa) prefers flying over walking, and everyone else (that we've seen) does.

2 days and counting baby!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 01:19:20 2011 No.7995805 >>7995800 Aagh, I made so many spelling errors, I must be getting tired. Excuse me for such things please. >why you can't assume >why you can't do so >right >fight

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 02:26:37 2011 No.7995971

>>7995800
What do you mean it doesn't? Have you heard of the term practice makes perfect? She's constantly doing miko stuff, that is what you would call training.
Why should we ever see people create new spell cards? Though, we do know new ones get created. Kaguya created new spell cards, they are called New Impossible Requests from Shoot the Bullet.
My point is this, between SWR and Hisoutensoku, the characters have new spell cards.
This plus Alice's quote indicates, yes, they made new spell cards.

>Patchouli wouldn't be as gloomy or physically-impaired since that's basically all of what she does in battle and the time she learned how to use such magic

Refer to Wild Horned Hermit to see one possible reason for why magicians are physically weak. They use Mercury and Arsenic as spell components.

You are using Marisa as an example? Marisa is a witch, she tries to mimic what witches do. Marisa does not even need the broom to fly and yet she uses it. But that is not really important since we generally assume characters fly to their destination with a bit of walking.

>if we see the timestamp, TWO HOURS happened between Yukari opening the rift and Suika appearing despite not moving, see?

Huh? These time stamps are before the fight.
What does it mean if 2 hours have passed with that portal? The logical conclusion is they fought and talked for 2 hours.
If you think fighting over an hour sounds ridiculous, check Yukari's time stamp, someone with instant movement.
The only time stamp that makes little sense is Suika's, it is more like time stop. Though, a possible explanation is those are all different feast days.

The problem with your post on them not fighting is there is no proof of such. You mentioned Patchouli did not fight Yukari when she visited her in SA. How did you know that? All you are told is from her profile, nothing else. The only times where you know they did not fight is in the comics and endings where everyone is gathering together.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 02:39:10 2011 No.7996024

>>7995971
>What do you mean it doesn't? Have you heard of the term practice makes perfect? She's constantly doing miko stuff, that is what you would call training.

But I've said 3 times already that THAT does not mean anything to the point that you were asking originally which is ''make new spellcards which involve training'' which you have zero confirmation of, you're pretty much making it up and I can't take that as argument.

>Refer to Wild Horned Hermit to see one possible reason for why magicians are physically weak.
Alice is a magician, yet she's not physically impaired or anything, in fact, all of her dialogue shows that she is TRAINING. Now, if Patchouli did not spend most of her time being gloomy over in a library, she wouldn't not be in this condition or at least be in a more refined state.

>What does it mean if 2 hours have passed with that portal? The logical conclusion is they fought and talked for 2 hours.

PLEASE READ PROPERLY. You said that the fact that the time stamp of Patchouli getting to Hakugyokurou meant that the whole trip from SDM to there lasted that long, I said something else, then I proved that, because 2 hours passed despite them not moving, you cannot use timestamps as distance indicators, if you read my post you wouldn't be complimenting me and denying yourself.

>You mentioned Patchouli did not fight Yukari when she visited her in SA. How do you know that?

How do you know she did? If you can prove a fight happened, you can't use it as argument, if you say character X fights for silly reasons, you can't say everyone _does_ or _has_ frequently. By the way, that very argument of yours is faulty since that would involve Patchouli going out which you only have the already mentioned registers, also she does not fight Marisa when she comes to steal one of her books since she does it stealthily, besides Patchy knowing who the culprit is.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 03:31:42 2011 No.7996188

>>7996024
Okay, let me try this. Creating a new spell takes effort, I hope you agree with me on this. New spell cards were created between SWR and Soku. Alice's quote:
>Thinking of nothing but researching the new fighting techniques,
everyone's so starved for battle.

Conclusion? They like fighting and created new techniques.

Both Alice and Patchouli was used as example when Marisa mentioned magicians having weak bodies. This is from Wild Horned Hermit Chapter 3 if you want to check it out yourself.

No, I did not say that was how long it took to get to Hakugyokurou. I said that was how much time she spent there. I am not trying to prove distance and was never trying to.
I am proving that she spent 5 hours traveling, fighting, and talking. Unless you believe they have that much to talk about, most of the time would be spent fighting and traveling. Let's pretend they talked for an hour, which is a very long time, that is 4 plus hours of fighting and traveling.

Ah, but you used that as counter proof. My reply is that is not sufficient, because you know, you do not whether they(Patchouli and Yukari) danmaku or not.
My proof remains the same, they danmaku many times and for the most mundane things. What makes you think they do none of this outside a game?

Also, Marisa does not go to the SDM stealthily... Look at Meiling's scenario in Hisoutensoku.

And no, I am not trying to prove that they do this frequently, I simply need to prove that they do this sometimes.
Just like I do not need to prove that Patchouli is out doing real exercises. I only need to prove that she is more active now than back when Remilia's comment was made.
This is all I need to counterpoint Remilia's comment, which is what I have been doing.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 10:59:12 2011 No.7996929

I fell asleep, puh.

>>7996188
>New spell cards were created between SWR and Soku.

You can't claim this, as said before, it's been proven that characters do not use all of their spellcards in a single battle, furthermore, you do not know the process of creating spellcards so you couldn't tell how much effort it could take, the only given information is that one can go to Reimu on ways to help you configure them if you're new to it.

>Both Alice and Patchouli was used as example when Marisa mentioned magicians having weak bodies.

I never denied that, in fact, I used it as evidence. Despite being classified as having as having a ''weak'' body, Alice pretty much trains all of her time if her dialogue is to be believed, creating and experimenting with offensive dolls and apparently wanting to take over the forest in Soku. She also doesn't have any physical impediment.

>Let's pretend they talked for an hour, which is a very long time, that is 4 plus hours of fighting and traveling.
Again, I've proven that timestamps are unreliable and you cannot claim something concrete from that, what good is it to just guess at something?

>What makes you think they do none of this outside a game?
The mangas, 99% of the meetings between characters did not result in battles in them. The games use the mundane excuse of ''this is an incident therefore I must fight you'', it's not really something you can predict to a set occurency, it's not even serious.

>Also, Marisa does not go to the SDM stealthily... Look at Meiling's scenario in Hisoutensoku.
I'm pretty sure it was clear that I was talking about when she enters the library. Aya proves that Marisa does go stealthily inside it in BAiJR.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 11:00:43 2011 No.7996931

(Cont.)
>I only need to prove that she is more active now than back when Remilia's comment was made.

Not sure if you've noticed but I NEVER DENIED THAT, of course moving out of library after not doing so for 100 years is something. All I've been saying from the very bloody beginning was that the amount AND TYPE of activities that you call exercise does not in any way compare to the hikki-style life she's been living, the IaMP mentions that she does not go out much, and when she does, it's because she's investigating something i.e: an incident. You cannot attain this to the pre-EoSD lifestyle because she did not go out once in the 100 years before that.

''Not much'' is being used in this case because it's being compared to the time where she's NOT going out, oh I don't know, TEN YEARS.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 11:09:44 2011 No.7996957 That's some quality thread you got there, mates. I'd say a thread worthy of an entire board dedicated to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 16:45:44 2011 No.7997712 Meido should delete this thread to make you two upset.

>>	proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. Sat Oct 15 22:57:24 2011 No.7999272 >>7990226 She lives in a vampire's mansion, so she loses all her extra calories by having a bit of her blood drawn everyday. And that may explain her anemia. ... holy shit at those walls of text.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 23:10:24 2011 No.7999315

>>7996929
Yes, I can claim that there were new spell cards used in Hisoutensoku, because Alice said so and the fact of the matter is they do have new techniques.
This is the same reasoning as why I can safely assume Kaguya made new spell cards. The spell card names pretty tell you they were new.

>Again, I've proven that timestamps are unreliable and you cannot claim something concrete from that, what good is it to just guess at something?

How did you prove the timestamps were unreliable? You mean when you said Yukari warped the character to Suika?
I shall say this again. The time stamps are BEFORE the battle. It does not in anyway conflict with what happens. 2 hours passed between the meeting of Yukari and character, then she sends them to Pandemoniac Lands.
The conclusion is very simple, they fought and talked for 2 hours. There is nothing more to it.

What the hell? I think you aren't taking perspective into account. CoLA would be about Kourin, he is a shop keeper, so no, there would be no fights there.
Oriental Sacred Palace is the 3 fairies, they run away from people before any fighting can even start. Also, they do not show the fighting, even though you know it happens. Like how the 3 fairies were hunting some snake and got in trouble for it, they do not show them fighting the snake, but you know they were beaten by it.
What I am saying is that while fight scenes are not drawn in the mangas, you can tell that they happen.
The very little fight scenes that get drawn are one panel and very one sided, Suwako(clearly the superior fighter) vs Reisen, and in the next panel Reisen is down for the count.

Again, and I reiterate, I do not need to prove that fighting is common, I just need to prove it happens, and I know it happens, both in the mangas and the games.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 23:11:13 2011 No.7999321

>>7996929
Continued

>I'm pretty sure it was clear that I was talking about when she enters the library. Aya proves that Marisa does go stealthily inside it in BAiJR.

Check out BAiJR again. Once Marisa sneaks in the SDM, she is anything but sneaky. Your point, I assume, is that Marisa snuck into the library and left. I am saying this never happens. She does not sneak into the library, she sneaks into the mansion. Aya is very clear about this.
However by Hisoutensoku, I assume Marisa no longer even sneaks into the mansion. See Meiling's scenario.

What? Since Remilia mentioned this during IaMP. The comparison MUST be, PRE IaMP lifestyle vs POST IaMP lifestyle.
We know nothing of her activities other than her profile in EoSD of what her lifestyle is PRE IaMP.
My comparison, as I hoped I have proven is that PRE IaMP Patchouli is not nearly as active as POST IaMP Patchouli.

10 years of doing "little" is nothing compared to 100 years of doing nothing.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 23:24:47 2011 No.7999360

>>7999315
>Yes, I can claim that there were new spell cards used in Hisoutensoku, because Alice said so and the fact of the matter is they do have new techniques.

She didn't said so, she said ''fighting techniques'', and again, you can't prove that by ''everyone'' she also included Patchouli, you're only making a wild guess out of nothing and can't take something concrete. Besides, you did not take the main reason why you used this fact and that was the process of it, which means the effort that a character would make, and it means nothing.

>The conclusion is very simple, they fought and talked for 2 hours. There is nothing more to it.

You're contradicting yourself again, the argument you used for this one was that since the timestamp between battle A and battle B was X, it'd mean that Patchouli would have lasted that long - the fight time to get there which would mean the distance and the effort accumulated. However, you cannot tell for certain how much time was spent in the battle nor how much time was spent getting there NOR if there was anything else in between the travel since Patchouli never mentions her destination.

>CoLA would be about Kourin, he is a shop keeper, so no, there would be no fights there.

And? You said there would be a fight almost if not every time 2 Touhous meet, plenty of people have gathered there and only once did they fight, and it had a cause (Marisa and Reimu arguing over whether or not to add a sauce to some food).

>Also, they do not show the fighting, even though you know it happens. Like how the 3 fairies were hunting some snake and got in trouble for it, they do not show them fighting the snake, but you know they were beaten by it.

Why are you adding this into the argument? The issue was that 2 Touhous would fight everytime they met which would equal exercise and you can't still prove that.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 23:30:47 2011 No.7999390

>>7999321
(Cont.)

>What I am saying is that while fight scenes are not drawn in the mangas, you can tell that they happen.

You cannot ''tell'' by any means, because the games themselves are of a different contextual nature than the mangas, the games' story have been admitted by ZUN to be a joke and the way characters interact is different than in the books and mangas, not to mention you also skipped what I said about Incidents.

>Again, and I reiterate, I do not need to prove that fighting is common, I just need to prove it happens, and I know it happens, both in the mangas and the games.

You can't prove it happens, only speculate, as said above and previously, 99% of the manga scenes are fight-less, in fact, only SSiB, SaBND and CoLA have an actual conflict (not counting the CiLR one since it's not Gensokyo) and it's nothing like the ones in the games (or at least, more serious than the ones in the games) since they all have a concrete reason (Moonbitches being bitches, Yukari testing the fairies and Reimu and Marisa fighting over food).

>Once Marisa sneaks in the SDM, she is anything but sneaky

She is, otherwise she wouldn't have been bothered about Aya finding out about her and posting a picture.

>See Meiling's scenario.

...THAT WAS A DREAM.

>Remilia thing

Of course it can't be Post-IaMP, I never said it was, however, I did mention that she says this after a fight, i.e: one of your arguments that count as ''exercise'', and even so, Remilia comments that she needs to do exercise, simple as that.

>My comparison, as I hoped I have proven is that PRE IaMP Patchouli is not nearly as active as POST IaMP Patchouli.

...Again, I never denied that, Jesus, please read properly, I'm getting tired of dealing with you if you're just gonna skip ahead, in fact, that's the whole reason this thing got over 100 replies, bah.

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 00:16:52 2011 No.7999537
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>>7999360
>only once did they fight

Ahem, Tokiko. Right off the bat.

>and it had a cause (Marisa and Reimu arguing over whether or not to add a sauce to some food)

Just... think about it for a while, will you? A goddamn sauce. If this doesn't demonstrate to you that they will fight over silliest things just because they can, then I don't know what possibly could.

Maybe this (and it really can't get more explicit than that):
>Their objectives seem to have changed already. Whatever the result is, I guess they'll happily eat it however I cook it. I could go as far as to think they arranged this scenario from the beginning, since it always follows the same pattern. Those two are frequently dueling to decide the most insignificant things. On top of that, they lately fight a lot with flying attacks. It's extremely bright, and hard on the eyes.

>>7999390
Regarding Marisa, read the fairies manga. She socializes with SDM residents all the time.

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 00:21:22 2011 No.7999565

>>7999360
Then tell me what everyone means, if it doesn't include everyone?
The broadest possible term of everyone would refer to everyone in Gensokyo. However, the logical way to interpret this is everyone in the fighting games. This does not conflict with any of the characters as they all have new spell cards between SWR and Hisoutensoku.
And so you would assume that designing something takes no effort?
I assume what is logical, if you make something, it requires effort.

That is the beauty of it. I do not need to prove how much of it was talking, how much of it was fighting or how much of it was traveling.
I just need to show you that a lot of it was spent fighting and traveling. We know Patchouli met Youmu in the Cemetary at 21:00. We know Patchouli met Yuyuko in Hakugyokurou at 26:30. 5 hours and 30 minutes between meeting Youmu and Yuyuko. While we don't know how much of it was talking, fighting, or traveling, we do know that time was spent doing that. As I have said before, unless all that time was spent talking, which I find unlikely, then it would mean they were spent on either fighting or traveling.

Uh, people don't fight, because it is a gathering. Very rarely do you see multiple people fight each other, in both the games and the manga. Just like how the endings of the games, they do not fight, because they are gathering.

I do not need to prove that they fight all the time when they meet. I only need to prove that it does happen. In both the manga and the games, it happens.
However, in the manga, even when there is a fight, it is not shown. And often times, when a fight should happen, one party runs away, this happens with the 3 fairies or Reisen and Tewi, when they were about to meet Flandre.

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 00:24:22 2011 No.7999579

>...THAT WAS A DREAM.
So... you are telling me that Meiling's characterization of Marisa is WRONG, because it is a dream? How does it being a dream affect Meiling's thoughts of a character?
I am saying this because Marisa's approach to the mansion changed from BAiJR to Hisoutensoku. However, neither is too important, because once she gets IN the mansion, she walks around like she owns the place. This would mean that she is not sneaking around in Patchouli's library for example.

>She is, otherwise she wouldn't have been bothered about Aya finding out about her and posting a picture.

ARGH. Here is the excerpt:
>After casually sneaking in through the back entrance, the criminal acted as if she owned the place, and walked about inside the mansion. She then took home whatever books she felt like taking.
She is NOT and I repeat this NOT sneaking, once she gets inside.

These reasons you put, how are they any different from say when Marisa goes to the library to steal books?
Or how when Alice visits Patchouli and a fight happens, it is not something that is implausible.

And the meaning of Remilia's quote is simple. After the fight, Patchouli is obviously not in good shape Remilia, so hence her quote.
Think of it like this, you meet and friend and talk with them for a while, then decide both of you should run for a mile or so. After running that mile, you see that the other person is in poor shape, so you give them advice.
And yes, that would count as exercise. It does not conflict with what I said.

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 00:27:22 2011 No.7999593

>>7999537
>She socializes with SDM residents all the time.

What? No she doesn't, she spends 95% of her lifetime alongside Reimu, she sneaks into the mansion stealthily or not, because Meiling in incompetent, and nabs a book and runs. There's also the party that Remilia invited Reimu to but Marisa came uninvited anyways, kind of like Yukari.

>If this doesn't demonstrate to you that they will fight over silliest things

Oh for fuck's sake I NEVER DENIED THAT. Jesus, I'm about to give up with you kiddo. You said it was proof that they battle _every time they meet_ and I proved you wrong by showing that in the mangas and the games characters act differently, they act more serious (or should I say less poetically sarcastic) in the former and almost never fight each other and when they do, there's a reason other than ''a greeting'', I also said other things but read the above posts dammit.

>Right off the bat.

You can't say that if you're not gonna add anything else.

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 00:34:06 2011 No.7999625

>So... you are telling me that Meiling's characterization of Marisa is WRONG, because it is a dream? How does it being a dream affect Meiling's thoughts of a character?

It's a dream, you cannot conclude anything of it, the fact is she was guarding and Marisa appeared, nothing else, as said before it's a dream anyway.

>She is NOT and I repeat this NOT sneaking, once she gets inside.

Yet another point that you don't know you're not supporting but adding useless things, your point was ''Marisa fights Patchouli every time she steals her books = exercise'' which you haven't proven yet, Patchouli says she doesn't care since she has so many goddamn books.

> it is not something that is implausible.

It doesn't matter how plausible it is, it's whether or not you can prove it, not assume out of a hunch as said previously.

>Patchouli is obviously not in good shape

She never was actually. Remilia does not say such thing to anybody else, remind me what her profile says? Remind me what her profile specifically points out towards her physical skills? For shame.

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 00:56:25 2011 No.7999720

>>7999565
Bah, My post didn't make it. Gonna shorten it.

>Then tell me what everyone means, if it doesn't include everyone?

It's a common term, you cannot include her unless you have explicit proof, I could see 10 people using a green hat over a period of 30 minutes between each encounter and think ''Wow, everyone's using a green hat today'', see?

>And so you would assume that designing something takes no effort?

Do you have anywhere that says how it's done? Or if it's hard? Or anything? No? Too bad, guess you can't use that argument then.

>which I find unlikely

The problem seems to be that you take a specialty associating Gensokyo with common occurencies in our world, you seem to think that by assuming things you can get to the truth, you may be right, but unless you have proof that you're right, you can't use that kind of argument here. You can't say what she spent her time on, what if she stopped to take a break? You can't tell anything.

>Uh, people don't fight, because it is a gathering.

I meant that the over the course of CoLA, many people come and go, and only in one of those meetings (Reimu and Marisa) does a conflict ever happen, and the reason is not like in the games, despite still being silly. In the games, saying ''I met this guy the other day'' can lead you to a fight, whereas in the mangas, the few times there are fights, there's actually a CONFLICT beforehand.

>In both the manga and the games, it happens.

Ca~n't pro~ve i~t.

>However, in the manga, even when there is a fight, it is not shown

We would only need to know that THERE WAS a fight, and if there were more than a few fights, I would not be saying any of this, you can assume all you want, but if you have zero proof, you can't use it here see?

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 01:09:32 2011 No.7999762

>>7999593
>What? No she doesn't, she spends 95% of her lifetime alongside Reimu

I'm not saying she's in SDM 24/7, you goddamn retard. Learn English, for fucks sake.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/all_the_time

>You said it was proof that they battle _every time they meet_

I did not. And the person that wasted his time discussing with you for most of the thread did not do it either.

Quick search on a thread shows you went from "they never fight outside the games" to "you can't prove it's a common occurence" to "I NEVER DENIED THAT". Nice backpedaling, but it's not going to work.

>You can't say that if you're not gonna add anything else.

Wait, wh...?

That was so completely random that I have a hunch you don't have a clue what this phrase means either. Here, educate yourself:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/right_off_the_bat

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 05:36:52 2011 No.8000964

>>7999720
I think you are replying to different people. There is another person posting other than me.

The proof I am trying to make is this: Patchouli is more active post IaMP compared to pre IaMP.
What I need to prove is Patchouli does fight outside of games. So, what I did was show you how easy it is for characters to get into fights.
I do not need to show you that they fight all the time or anything like that. I just need to show you that they fight from time to time. Since my goal is: Patchouli is more active post IaMP compared to pre IaMP.
Logic dictates that they DO fight outside of games, because of how they act in both the manga and the games.
Of course, the other part of my proof was Patchouli travels more, which once again, I hoped I did a good job of. I don't need to prove that Patchouli suddenly becomes like Aya or anything even close to that. I just need to prove that she does it more. Which is why I talked about distance and such.

Now, about Meiling's dream, I am not sure why you are missing my point. Meiling clearly tells Marisa that Marisa normally would go in the FRONT door. What part of that is not clear?
It is irrelevant whether that event is a dream or not, this is how Meiling sees the real Marisa.
Then I also added, that is not very relevant, because once inside the mansion, Marisa does not sneak around.

This means that she does not entire the library stealthily. Which means of the numerous times she visits the library, what makes you think they never fight?
This is with people who danmaku for fun or sometimes stupid reasons.
The case would apply to Alice also. Alice visits the library fairly often, but I do not know how often.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 16 05:43:53 2011 No.8000983 File: 2 KB, 407x381, mr-yuk.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i cannot even believe how autistic this thread has gotten

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 10:15:39 2011 No.8001432

>>7999762
>I did not.

Yes you did, then you changed it to ''I can proof it at least happens''

>they never fight outside the games

I could not have possibly denied that considering I said that they do fight in the mangas, except nowhere near as common nor with the same ''reasons'' as in the games where there doesn't need to be a conflict to spark one.

>because of how they act in both the manga and the games.

Please read my posts, I've been proving this wrong for the last 5 or so times.

>what I did was show you how easy it is for characters to get into fights.
And I proved how in the manga they acted differently, not to mention it doesn't matter since you're just making assumptions and you cannot use that as backup against me since you aren't proving me wrong.

>this is how Meiling sees the real Marisa.
Again, you're overcompensating an irrelevant point, you used this originally to claim that Marisa does not sneak around to get in the mansion, then in the previous post you claim that she does that only with Meiling. I just dispatched the whole Meiling issue because it was a dream and therefore nothing can be conclussive from it just incase you were going to pull some shenanigans, which I'm glad you didn't.

>Which means of the numerous times she visits the library, what makes you think they never fight?
The fact that Patchouli doesn't care if she steals her books, please stop ignoring my posts for the upteenth time.

Seriously, I'm getting tired of reminding you how many holes your argument has that you keep ignoring thinking it's gonna do anything, not to mention, right now you're just trying to overvalue these small issues in which you still haven't gotten near the main one, you know, the one I keep repeating yet you don't even bother and instead opt for discussing something else that barely matters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 16 10:26:42 2011 No.8001452 >>7999762 >en.wiktionary.org/wiki/right_off_the_bat I think he meant the common context of the phrase, which is used when there are obvious remarks about something plus others, it's to make a more decisive point regarding the other's arguments.

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