Genius of Sappheiros Thread 5

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Genius of Sappheiros Thread 5 Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 00:29:54 2011 No.7923916 [Reply] [Original]

One of the longest Touhou RPGs around has been translated!

A mysterious fog is sapping the energy of youkai across Gensokyo, but not of humans. Reimu and pals bust some heads as they head out to discover the source behind this latest incident!

Prepatched game with expansion set:
http://www.mediafire.com/?a8c1by6btaid7

Latest patches:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/9an3jjay8z6eqgc/Game.pak
http://www.mediafire.com/file/twngax8i8hd5rhx/Img.pak

NOTE: Please run the game on Windows 95 compatibility!

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 00:43:44 2011 No.7923958 da ze~

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 00:48:44 2011 No.7923967 is there any other way to avoid freaking cutscene crashes? really annoying beat the crap out of a boss and do it again because of this (already try W95 comp)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 00:50:07 2011 No.7923976 >>7923967 I honestly don't know. I'm not crashing after every cutscene or anything, but it does happen every now and then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 01:01:57 2011 No.7924002 File: 131 KB, 452x576, 1289493942536.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7923916 Longest Touhou RPGs? How long is it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 01:03:55 2011 No.7924011 Do I have to stand completely immobile for an hour in the Myouren Temple to unlock Byakuren?

>>	Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv Tue Sep 27 01:03:55 2011 No.7924012 >>7924002 100 hours long.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 01:11:21 2011 No.7924034 >>7924002 My save before the final boss, pre-expansion, was 90 hours.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 01:19:21 2011 No.7924046
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The original game is about 100 hours and the expansion is probably 50-100 hours depending on how much you do optional quests, but for completionists there's lots to collect and there's even a super duper bonus dungeon after the expansion storyline that's reportedly six hours long.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 01:20:20 2011 No.7924050 Youmu advice for dying in inner Eientei: >The enemies suddenly got really strong. Time to grind for a bit... Fuck you, Youmu. Also, time stop does damage!?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 01:27:21 2011 No.7924070 uh wow, Youkai Mountain is incredibly chill compared to the nightmare that is inner Eientei.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 01:46:57 2011 No.7924122 After Youkai mountain its all brutal storm all the way to the end. Stage 19 onwards i can't even kill few of the mobs by spamming my most uber spell cards in 2 turns. Any turn without reimu's barrier someone will die 1st turn.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 01:46:57 2011 No.7924123 Wow, are you fucking serious. My xbox controller came out and now I can't move. I got like 2 Yokai mountain seeds from drops. I'm not moving a damn inch until this game moves again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 01:52:31 2011 No.7924143 >>7924123 Well, even though I tried it before and it failed to work, remapping the keys to my pad seemed to fix it. If anyone ever encounter something like this, just tab out open config, and remap your keys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 02:17:31 2011 No.7924213 >>7924122 It is usually a good idea to have Sanae in your party from Youkai Mountain onwards just so you can have Wind of Protection casted in every battle to prevent permanent status or instant death. Also not a bad idea to pack some high RES gear.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 02:55:01 2011 No.7924300 What are the drop rates in this game? Takes forever before anything drops. Wipe a whole dungeon, maybe 2 basic synthesis items and a piece of equipment...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 03:07:04 2011 No.7924328 Is there any good method of grinding in this game? I've noticed that enemies don't always respawn if you simply leave a dungeon and go back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 03:12:05 2011 No.7924342 File: 14 KB, 444x283, config.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there any translation of the (apparently new) config.exe?

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 03:18:05 2011 No.7924354

>>7924300
The game's biggest problems are Satori's blue magic system and the item drop rates. Equipment is usually around 5% and only drops once, but materials are usually incredibly rare; we're talking less than 1%.
Synthesis CAREFULLY. Each character doesn't need a new weapon ever dungeon, and they don't NEED to use their unique weapons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 05:29:44 2011 No.7924354,1 GUISE I FOUND US A NEW PLACE TO TALK ABOUT TOUHOUS! http://4chon.net/r9k/res/461150.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 07:34:21 2011 No.7924354,2 >>7924354,1 Great. Stay there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 09:04:43 2011 No.7924981 is it me or does debuffs actually work on bosses now? i remember playing the old ver. and you can barely debuff any boss at all

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 09:18:19 2011 No.7925002 What's "Satori Blue xls" in OP's link for?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 09:52:09 2011 No.7925065 File: 28 KB, 640x480, 1297972214964.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh, I just LOVE trying to learn Tsunami from these Oarfishes in the Sea of Clouds. It's so fun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 10:00:08 2011 No.7925084 >>7925002 It's a spreadsheet of all of Satori's blue magic abilities and monsters to learn them from.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 10:22:12 2011 No.7925120

>>7925084
It should be noted that it's outdated, and now everything except Hyper Fang Crush can be learned in the expansion.

>>7924354
Well, much of the rare stuff is easy to get in the expansion, it's the 4-8% drop rate "common" items like Iron that need lots of grinding for

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 10:25:41 2011 No.7925125 >>7925120 Is the expansion packaged in the OP?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 10:30:10 2011 No.7925136 >>7925125 Work on your reading comprehension

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 10:53:41 2011 No.7925187 Speaking of Blue Magic, does anyone know how to trigger the Shisa's Reflect skill when charmed? This is really, really annoying to try to learn.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 12:02:53 2011 No.7925410 >>7925187 it's all luck as you need to predict when it's going to fire it's reflect spell and charm it on the same turn

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 12:02:53 2011 No.7925411 Charm them and pray hard. Lookout of their mp amount, they run out fast.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 12:08:24 2011 No.7925431 >>7923916 Do they rock?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 14:48:49 2011 No.7926040 Okay, I got that fucking Reflect skill motherfuckers. I feel like King Autist of Luck Based Video Games Mountain.

>>	Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 17:24:04 2011 No.7926601 >>7926040 Autisism is a good skill to have for this game. I probably won't even do much once I hit the expansion, way to much grinding and such/ I have enough time do post game stuff in Disagea 4, now that's the god of autism games.

Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 17:27:07 2011 No.7926609

>>7926040
Autisism is a good skill to have for this game. I probably won't even do much once I hit the expansion, way to much grinding and such/

I barely have enough time to do post game stuff in Disagea 4, now that's the god of autism games.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 17:31:35 2011 No.7926621
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Hate to have to ask this, but where can I find that spreadsheet for Satori's blue magic skills? Google's turning up nothing and I cannot for the life of me remember where I found it the first time.

I dunno if it's me being weird, but I'm so far enjoying grinding for her stuff. I've had retardedly good luck so far just going on things I think are learnable (I got Shadow Burst and Mass Heal on my first try, wtf) but the completionist in me knows I'm missing fuckloads.

At the Garden of Sun right now, this game is fucking great.

Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 17:49:11 2011 No.7926678

>>7926621
She has WAY more spells then you will ever need. Maybe 20 of them are really worth it. There was guide on the other imageboard, but I believe its way out of date.

Not sure if we have a new one yet.

Also, still waiting for a learn or drop rate cheat. I don't have enough autism to wait.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 17:51:40 2011 No.7926684 >>7926621 there's one in the MF link in the OP

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 17:57:40 2011 No.7926712
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>>7926684
Geh, gotta redownload the entire thing. Thanks though.

Learned Earthquake on the first turn from that giant floating purple rock, then it casts it two more times and there goes my entire party. God dammit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 17:58:11 2011 No.7926725 >>7926712 Nevermind, didn't see the option. Got it now. She just refuses to learn Petro Breath though, no matter how many times it gets spammed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 18:00:11 2011 No.7926733 >>7926725 She only has one chance per battle to learn a particular skill. If she doesn't learn it the first time, run away and try again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 18:03:42 2011 No.7926743 >>7926725 Well, the learn rate is pretty low. I actually managed to get Petro Cloud, but since breath attacks have no cooldown, Petro Cloud seems like an inferior version of Petro Breath.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 18:04:42 2011 No.7926746 >>7926621 >>7926712 You are better off with using google translate on the japanese wiki. The old spreadsheet is way outdated as it is for before the expansion.

>>	Mush !lYtRBoeK.2 Tue Sep 27 18:05:42 2011 No.7926752 >>7926609 More autistic than Phantom Brave? Dear God, I logged 500 hours into that game and still wasn't anywhere close to being done.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 18:38:47 2011 No.7926877 >>7926743 I've been running away from the higher-level mobs trying to find that Earth creature again to try for Earthquake, I must've been hit by it at least a hundred times already without even trying. At least I got Poison Mist out of the deal.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 18:41:47 2011 No.7926889

>>7926877

I didn't even bother even though I really wanted Earthquake. The only skill I decided to grind for was Thunderclap because I knew I wouldn't become overleveled if I kept having to restart against Iku, and apparently it has a 100% learn rate with maxed learning so the only thing I had to do was keep Satori alive to get hit by Thunderclap.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 18:43:48 2011 No.7926897 >>7926889 I don't think anything but support skills have 100% I might be wrong, but I heard that we were doing learn rate all wrong. Max is not 800+%, only 200%. Growths don't stack. For a while we thought they did.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 18:48:50 2011 No.7926909 >>7926897 I dunno, someone told me Thunderclap had a 100% learn rate with maxed learning on Iku, but maybe he was wrong and I got lucky. First time it hit Satori, she learned it. Before then she was dead when it was used.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 18:50:18 2011 No.7926916

>>7926897
Well, as a matter of fact, Thunderclap would be a litmus test for this. Support skills have 50% base learn rate, but Thunderclap has 33%. Therefore, it would be 99% if maxed learning tree is 300%. Thus, people can just try the Iku fight over many times and see if they get Thunderclap about 2/3 of the time or almost always.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 18:54:20 2011 No.7926935 >>7926916 >99% I would hate to be that 1%

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 18:57:51 2011 No.7926945 Well, now I feel like an idiot. Apparently you have to be level 30 to learn Petro Breath, and Satori is only 28. Also, level 30 to learn Shinigami Scythe? Jesus, you'd have to grind something fierce just to do that, and it's only a 1% learn rate.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 19:01:22 2011 No.7926957

What the hell, did all posts with sage in them get deleted?
Anyway, does anyone have a translation of the config file? I'm running into some performance issues on my ancient computer, so I'd like to know if I can change anything in it to make the game work better.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 19:05:52 2011 No.7926968 >>7926945 It's not really meant to be learned at this point and can be gotten from regular enemies in the expansion, as can most other boss only moves listed in the outdated excel file...except the infamous Hyper Fang Crush.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 19:24:26 2011 No.7927020 Is there a general systems guide in english for this game? I'm at the beginning of the game and I've gotten several weapons, but I can't equip them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 19:28:58 2011 No.7927040 >>7927020 If the letters show up as yellow when you look at them in the items tab, then you have to leave the dungeon to be able to equip them. Weird, I know.

>>	Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv Tue Sep 27 19:30:28 2011 No.7927050 >>7927020 >I'm at the beginning of the game and I've gotten several weapons, but I can't equip them. You have to get out the stage to "make them yours" If you die without saving your items you lose them all.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 19:31:57 2011 No.7927058 >>7927020 The game came with the translated manual

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:02:58 2011 No.7927214 Are there any walkthroughs? This game is pretty challenging, the enemies do quite alot of damage. I really like it so far though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:05:27 2011 No.7927234 >>7927214 http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Genius_of_Sappheiros/Walkthrough

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:07:27 2011 No.7927247 >>7927214 that kind of sucks the fun out of the game, doesn't it?

Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 20:10:27 2011 No.7927258

Well, I went back and got Shadow Boon after about an hour, and I just had a fairy drop Fate's Bardice. (This game has so many drop exclusive items...it feels like a waste not to see all the references and sprite without grinding)

Mass heal, no luck with that yet. But with Mind Blast, Shadow Boon, and the single target light, fire and dark magic, I think I'm okay to do stage 8 now.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:13:30 2011 No.7927274 I guess this was also deleted in the angry sage-hating mods incident of recently... So, what causes the monsters in dungeons to respawn? I'd like to grind a bit, but it looks like just leaving them and then coming back in doesn't work most of the time.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 20:20:30 2011 No.7927314

>>7927274
They won't respawn until you leave and enter dungeons a number of times, which is why reaching a savepoint and going back for the treasures or clearing the route for a weak split party is a good idea. I'm not sure if staying in a dungeon a long time will have any effect on respawn or just exit and entering, but the monsters also don't respawn at the same time. For example, if you kill half the monsters, die a few times, and keep going, the earlier monsters you killed might respawn but not the later ones. This helps you crawl through a tough dungeon. You can kill as many monsters as you can, die if you don't get any rare drops, and then heal and walk back in and just take the now unguarded chests.

It is said that exiting (including dying) and entering a dungeon 30 times will respawn everything, though ideally you're constantly switching between different dungeons. The stuff you actually need to grind for are generally common items like Iron and Power Points and those are better gotten on earlier stages anyways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:23:30 2011 No.7927329 Probably a dumb question but I assume there's no way to make the screen bigger? the fullscreen option just makes the rest of the screen black instead of stretching it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:24:02 2011 No.7927336 >>7927329 check the next one under the fullscreen one and it'll display the menus where you can stretch it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:25:31 2011 No.7927337 I'm trying to like her, but Youmu just isn't doing very well in my party. What makes her good?

>>	Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv Tue Sep 27 20:27:04 2011 No.7927347 >>7927337 I use her for clean up with her Asura stance.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 20:27:35 2011 No.7927352 Sooo...storyline or dialogue discussion anyone~?

>>	Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv Tue Sep 27 20:30:04 2011 No.7927371 >>7927352 I actually laughed when they reached Satori. Being able to read minds is suffering.

>>	Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 20:35:33 2011 No.7927402 >>7927371 They were bullying her.... But then I got her as a member that I will never swap out unless needed.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:36:05 2011 No.7927407
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>>7927352
The story so far sucks. It's glaringly obvious that it's just an excuse for you to go to each major Gensokyo location.

>>7927371
>Being Satori is suffering.
She's trying to figure out how to pay the bills and make ends meet, when all of a sudden you break into and loot her house, beat up her strongest pets and kill many, many more, beat the shit out of her herself, and drag her along to a world full of racist, hateful fucks so you can stick her in front of vicious monsters and hope they use their strongest attacks on her.
So yes, suffering.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:38:33 2011 No.7927413 Jesus christ inner Eientei is hard. Almost every encounter is kicking my ass all over the place; I can't just run from the harder ones, they're ALL hard!

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 20:40:35 2011 No.7927422 [SPOILER]

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>>7927371
>>7927402
Something's up. Let's go kidnap a 5th grade loli!

I love the way the game goes with Reimu's jerkass rampage portray. Also, it subtly retains a number of canon points, like Momiji referring to Aya as "Shameimaru". One thing that really made me smile was that even Silent Sinner in Blue was referenced at least twice in very subtle ways without even mentioning the Watatsuki sisters!

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:41:33 2011 No.7927430

>>7927337
She does big damage with her stances. This might not seem to matter when most mobs go down on one turn, but eventually you get to a point where everything is beefy as shit.

Also all her weapons have exorcism which mitigates those angel and demon's enemies absolute damage percent reduction. If they have 50% damage reduction then Youmu with a 25 exorcism katana will take away 25 of that leaving it at 25% damage reduction. 50 exorcism will leave it with no damage reduction. Having more exorcism then damage reduction will not allow you to do more damage beyond what you'd be doing in the first place though.

>>	Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 20:42:33 2011 No.7927434 >>7927407 Yeah, the "story" is just short skits with a punchline or something. Not that it really matters when you have hundreds of hours to grind for that one more iron.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 20:42:33 2011 No.7927436 >>7927407 But it's being very faithful to how actual Touhou game storylines go though.

>>	Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 20:43:33 2011 No.7927438 >>7927430 Wait, how does exorcism actually work? Only for angels and demons?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:45:04 2011 No.7927454 >>7927430 She does? I'm not seeing it.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 20:45:33 2011 No.7927451 >>7927438 Anything with Divine Barriers, so generally things in the Foreign God category. Like Kanako and Suwako.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:45:33 2011 No.7927452

>>7927413
You need to kill the enemies faster was my main strategy which can be done even if fairly unleveled if you build the right party with the right equipment.

Simply put get slayer effects. Nitori's guns, Sakuya's two handed sword, Marisa with 13 points in lasers. Mokou with silence fists also makes a good way to shut down opponents like the moon maidens.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:49:06 2011 No.7927472

>>7927452
But every single one of the enemies can do SOMETHING to screw me up right from the start. The ninjas will blind me or the werewolves will hellclaw my back row or the moon maidens will time stop everyone or something.
I'm fine with random enemies being tough, but this is absurd.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:54:34 2011 No.7927489 >>7927454 in the beginning? of course not, you have to wait until you have enough points for her skill trees

>>	Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 20:55:05 2011 No.7927495 >>7927451 Ah, I see. Haven't got anything with exorcism on it yet but that's good to know. Also, what is the damage bonus for a slayer effect? Is it worth using a weaker weapon if it slays the boss?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:55:36 2011 No.7927498 >>7927247 Not really, I don't abuse guides or even use them that much, just I'd like to see what other people think is useful. In other words, it's more like I use the guide to get an idea or two.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 20:57:37 2011 No.7927511

>>7927452
Ironically, even though Sakuya is the Slayer posterchild for the main game with different slayer swords, she looses it in the endgame with her two ultimate weapons which trade them away for Cirno powers, though you can always switch back to old weapons for specific bosses.

However, you do get a true Slayer specialist in the expansion, who is quite interesting indeed and the ultimate Slayer character who uses it as the basis for her entire schtick.

>>7927472
Your formation can make a huge difference. Also, Alice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:58:06 2011 No.7927522 Does Marisa's Patk get better later? I'm making her a designated pure mage right now, but being able to just physically attack an opponent would be nice...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:58:38 2011 No.7927519 >>7927472 Just put Sanae in your party and start every battle with a first turn +Res.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 20:59:37 2011 No.7927524 >>7927489 She's got 20 points in Asura, 13 or so in Katanas, and a Muramasa, and she's not doing anything that impressive.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:02:07 2011 No.7927540

>>7927472
Kill the moon maidens and and ninjas first then. They're warriors and magicians so Marisa and Nitori can easily take them out first. if they're not fast enough then speed accessories. If you're somehow still too slow then get out Aya and haver her support Nitori so that she kills all the werewolves, ninjas and moon maidens in one bomb. Her third gun has slayer for warriors/magicians/transcendants. That means ninjas, moon maidens, and werewolves.

Nitori pretty much shits all over the real dangerous enemies in Inner Eientei if she has her carbine.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 21:03:38 2011 No.7927545

>>7927522
Her broom tree's ultimate attack, Blazing Star, is Physical. It is good against low def enemies according to the description.

However, Patchouli and Satori are the better physical mages. Patchy got mad at being typecast as the moe frail asthma girl and started working out in this game, coming away with potentially one of the highest physical attack powers! I still laugh at the Machouli tree

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:03:38 2011 No.7927546 Anybody know which characters make for a good party that can take me through the whole game?

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 21:05:11 2011 No.7927560

>>7927546
None. You're meant to switch between different characters for different battles. Pretty much every character in the main game has some sort of niche they specialize in. Though you certainly CAN grind your way through with just one party, but it probably would be pretty unpleasant and you'd have to run from many encounters since what's easy for one party is insane for another.

Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 21:06:08 2011 No.7927562

>>7927546
All of them.

Seriously, there are several stage that force you to spilt you party into to 2, then in another 3. Don't just let character stop leveling.

Though a good mob party for me would be Reimu, Satori, Patchy, Marisa and Nitori with Aya as a commander. Just spam elementals and AOE to kill them all, and use Aya's commander 3 bomb to go first if you get THAT horrible encounter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:07:08 2011 No.7927566 >>7927540 I don't use Nitori that much. I'll have to try that. ...I guess going back to the garden and grinding for a sunflower seed would do me some good level-wise anyway. What drops them?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:08:40 2011 No.7927575 >>7927545 Can Patchu do anything other than die and not get a turn early on, though? 4 HP is... just... and then her spells are slow as shit. The whole physical skills are hilarious, though, I'm tempted to try making her work just for them.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:09:42 2011 No.7927582

>>7927522

No, it doesn't. Just stick to using her magic for the most part.

>>7927524

I'd put at least 20 in Katanas so her abilities have a chance to double hit. Her damage doesn't really shine unless you crit enemies, and increasing that chance will increase her damage to being able to do 2000-4000 damage to a single enemy with Slash of the Present, and 1000-2000 damage with Crescent Moon Slash. Of course, her damage when she doesn't crit is kind of mediocre, so I put 25 into Katanas and 13 into Manussya, with the rest going into Asura. Even Sakuya can't manage that sort of damage even though she has 140 more attack than Youmu, unless she gets her last word that is.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 21:14:09 2011 No.7927603

>>7927575
Again, depends on your formation. She's good with Mokou's formation because enemies have 75% chance of targeting the bait character. Patchy's low health is just a balance for being strong both magically and physically. You can have her spam spells, and once she runs out of MP or bombs you can swap her to physical powerhouse and keep going with her. Whereas for Satori, when I said she could be a strong physical character, it is because her two status effect trees also boost her physical attack, and learning tree boosts her blue magic as well, and so she can actually do decent to high damage at the end with powerful physical skills she learns.

Cirno starts with 3 HP

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:17:39 2011 No.7927625 >>7927603 >spoiler Hilarious times are going to be had, I believe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:17:42 2011 No.7927626 Is there a table with strengths and weaknesses anywhere? That's kind of confusing me right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:18:40 2011 No.7927628 Okay. So. Mokou's Bamboo forest. What am I supposed to do?

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 21:19:42 2011 No.7927635

>>7927562
Of course, people don't HAVE to always use everyone if they don't want to. Character levels catch up fast due to EXP scaling. New expansion characters join at level 1 and they reached lv 50+ in 20 minutes due to the absurd amounts of EXP they were getting from the scaling.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:20:16 2011 No.7927642

I don't mean to sound ignorant with my question, but I recall a few threads back people were talking about a certain pistol that was good for Nitori to use. What is the name of that weapon? I checked the wiki but I see nothing which has pistol in its name. Is it the Carbine or something?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:20:16 2011 No.7927643 >>7927628 She has 30 bonus lives. Get 30 bonus lives as well. If that wasn't obvious enough Konami code. If you somehow do not know the konami code due to freak circumstances, up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:21:16 2011 No.7927644 >>7927628 Remember the Konami code? I tried it just for the hell of it, and just laughed when it actually worked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:23:12 2011 No.7927654 >>7927644 Oh, ok, thanks. Don't you think there should be some sort of hint that I'm supposed to do that? Man this game is bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:23:47 2011 No.7927653 >>7927626 In the manual.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 21:24:13 2011 No.7927661 File: 479 KB, 647x514, cirnoo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7927625 If you think that's bad, just check out how she reacts to fire. She's way too cool to just be weak to it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:24:42 2011 No.7927658 >>7927626 The bestiary hasthe strengths and weakness of everything you've killed. Write this down on a sticky note, by the way: Fire/Water/Earth/Thunder Light/Dark/Mystic Slash/Stab/Strike

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 21:27:14 2011 No.7927673

>>7927654
No, because you're not "supposed" to do that. You're supposed to normally get her at stage 9.

Getting Mokou and Byakuren early are just bonuses told to people who actually showed up to buy the game. It's for those people and people who live by the creed of "When in doubt, do the Konami Code!!!" like that anon in this thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:29:42 2011 No.7927681 >>7927673 Oh. I feel like I cheated now. Welp. Thanks for clearing that up.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 21:35:43 2011 No.7927703

>>7927681
There are also a bunch of items you can get with passwords in Rinnouske's shop from the machine on the left. The passwords are on the wiki and these are similar bonuses, but you can't get them any other way so you might as well get them now. They're just stage 3 tier items so they can help make the first two stages even easier but quickly become outdated, but some of them have unique effects like mildly increased EXP, Power, and item drop.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:39:16 2011 No.7927715 >>7927524 dump 25 on katana and the rest in manussya. Youmu have a high crit rate to the point she crits most of the time

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 21:42:16 2011 No.7927720 Does the Japanese wiki actually have dungeon maps, or is the section labelled MAP some kind of cruel misnomer?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:03:45 2011 No.7927751 >>7927720 I hear you like you wouldn't believe. Extreme difficulty aside, who else found themselves dancing in their chair to Inner Eientei's music?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:05:18 2011 No.7927766 Done with the first half (excluding expansion) GOD TIER Sakuya Patchy Alice HIGH TIER Sanae Nitori MID TIER Youmu Reimu LOW TIER Marisa Byakuren Mokou SHIT TIER Aya TIER RANKING IS DIRECTLY CORRELATED TO THE AMOUNT OF AUTISM THE PLAYER HAS Satori

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:07:47 2011 No.7927770 >>7927720 The section with MAP in it is the list of monsters that appear in that map. Two choices up from that are the walkthroughs. They have maps.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:09:22 2011 No.7927775 >>7927766 >SHIT TIER >Aya Damn it, doujin games, why do you always do this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:09:51 2011 No.7927773 >>7927766 Is patch really that great? I don't see it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:15:26 2011 No.7927787 >>7927770 Where? Do they not show up when google's translating the page or something?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:17:26 2011 No.7927791 >>7927766 In all honesty, the autism tier should be autism or luck. If you get lucky you can get good skills without needing autism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:17:54 2011 No.7927792 File: 117 KB, 1050x1400, www26.atwiki.jp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7927787 Only certain stage have the maps.

>>	Mush !lYtRBoeK.2 Tue Sep 27 22:18:25 2011 No.7927794 >>7927791 With autism, you keep trying until you're lucky. No questions asked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:18:55 2011 No.7927797 File: 126 KB, 1024x768, untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7927720 The Japanese wiki has map for some of them under the strategy section. Some.

Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 22:20:57 2011 No.7927801

>>7927773
She is when paired with a chasing Nitori, and for generally killing mobs. Thought mobs less so later in the game, her ability to manipulate land AND raise an elements power can super buff Satori and Maria and Nitori's chasers. Add and Mdef down and you got yourself some super rape.

>>7927775
Her only good spell right now she also has as a commander. I just gave her the best sword and let her just be a boring attacker. Why so shitty?

>>7927766
>TIER RANKING IS DIRECTLY CORRELATED TO THE AMOUNT OF AUTISM THE PLAYER HAS

Should be elder god tier for most of /jp/ right?

Though your low tier isn't so low. Mokou is less useful half way though as Alice is a way better tank and Mokou is the better commander in the game for rez alone.

Marisa? Low tier? More like rape tier. She has much higher single target damage than patch, and her aoe/area spells are pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:22:26 2011 No.7927802 >>7927766 >Low Tier >Mokou what

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:39:21 2011 No.7927839

>>7927703
Oh nice, I was trying not to get them because of how much MMBN's NumberMan codes could torn the game apart, but if it's just like that there should be no problem.

>>7927766
What, Aya has done me amazingly well! ...in the first stage
and and that first turn thing is cool too i guess
and he sprite is cute as well and there's report and

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:43:35 2011 No.7927848

>>7927839

Aya has done me amazing things in the first stage. She hits 150 damage for me without spending any MP, so she's extremely useful against any mob that's not physically resistant. I use axe though

Anyone else getting tons of random freezes? I just beat Remilia and Nitori and after the following cutscene the game froze up. Kind of annoying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 22:52:07 2011 No.7927860 Huh, I didn't know boss experience doesn't scale. Man, so much for putting Nitori in my party before the three party split. Oh well, I got Aya up to around level 35 so at least she shouldn't be completely hopeless.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 23:03:08 2011 No.7927882

...This game is really addicting. I played it for 5 hours straight, I don't normally play any game other than maybe a fighting game for that long and that's rare, never done that with an RPG. But this... It felt like I had played it for an hour at the most.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 23:04:08 2011 No.7927885

>>7927802
She's not a tank, christsakes

Think of her as in etrian terms as a warrior/gladiator while alice is a defender/hoplite

Alice does jack for random battles that aren't crazy tough while Mokou cleans house. Silencing punches in the face mitigate all threat from demons and angels, and while many of her spellcards read "damage:low" but trust me, they're not

Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 23:12:11 2011 No.7927902

>>7927885
She's like 65 warrior/ 35 tank. All her good moves all use bombs though they do way more than low damage.

Early in the game you can just use her fire regen and her formation and do pretty good. Plus, she can actually deal damage until Alice, which is to busy defending the party.

Alice is much better for bosses though.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 23:27:16 2011 No.7927942

>>7927902
True. It's a sad thing too that later on the game goes full etrian. Alice/Defender permalocked into a slot of the party.

Also, Mokou's the closest thing one has in the game to a traditional RPG main character anyway. Tanky, does respectable damage and has a revive skill. Give her a return spell and she's a shining-series protagonist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 23:29:43 2011 No.7927946 so if i want a pure tank Alice should i invest only in the Craft skills? and what about the weapon does the greaves tipes are good?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 23:31:42 2011 No.7927953 What does Nitori Chasers Scale off? I don't seem to be dealing tons of damage. Also, fucking Iron, so rare, been roaming old dungeons, not 1 Iron.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 23:33:20 2011 No.7927954

>>7927946
Not really.
If you are using primarily marionnete pionnar in a line formation the shield stats are more important since you are technically shielding your party with your shield.
The higher the activation rate the better is it. So lets say if you are fighting a boss that uses dark magic, equip a dark shield and the boss will be doing 0damage to your party.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 23:34:16 2011 No.7927960

>>7927766
Well, I can see what team you probably use, but I'm going to disagree on pre final dungeon rankings because until stage ~18-20 the mob teams in general are very forgiving against elements.
1. Nothing out does Nitori if you have at least 2x all element attackers and even more so with Marisa/Sanae. Sanae, Satori, and Patchy in particular can wipe out most groups with a center forward in 1 round pre-ex.
2. While Alice makes bosses easier, for most of the random encounters she isn't great. Mach Punch/Kick can be used to act very fast even with the -25% action speed from Hinotori Skydance they can disable most breath mobs before they act which is better than defending against them.

Byakuren makes Sakuya and Youmu much better so I'd disagree with low for her, but she also doesn't get any good spammable dark spells so she kind of fails on normal mobs like Alice.

Not that you actually need a great party to finish most things though, planning is more important though there are some exceptions.

>>7927902
Either way that list lacks major consistency even for the mid game. Her fist skills are actually really good at inflicting the debuff, but they aren't great for damage which makes her an oddly good partner for Reisen if you can't fit 3-4 debuffs on Byakuren / Satori as she can fill up slots quickly and reliably. For the mid game debuff fists actually make everything too easy to the point that I avoided them.

Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 23:38:44 2011 No.7927966

>>7927953
Chasers don't do a ton of damage unless you are either:

A.) Hitting an elemental weakness

or

B.) Use Patchy to land mainpulate and bomb to raise an elements powers

Then chasers will hit very hard. Combine that with Patch, Maria and Satori using all the same buffed elemets for 3x, and you have a couple turn boss killing machine (if the boss has a elemental weakness and you use your 5th character to debuff)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 23:39:12 2011 No.7927970 Do status laced on attacks proc with physical skills, or only your regular attack?

>>	Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 23:40:10 2011 No.7927976 >>7927954 I got lucky and when I was trying to farm blue magic in stage 6, an angel dropped a light shield. Fuck yeah. Only 3 more elements to collect.

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 23:42:41 2011 No.7927981

>>7927766
Random encounter
GOD Tier
Sakuya
Marisa
Patchouli
Nitori
Sanae

Mid Tier
Reimu
Satori
Youmu

Low Tier
Byakuren
Aya
Mokou (low bomb count, physical attack not as good as others)
Alice

Boss fight
GOD Tier
Alice
Youmu
Sanae
Reimu
Byakuren

Mid Tier
Mokou
Satori
Patchouli
Nitori
Marisa
Sakuya

Low Tier
Aya

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 23:46:40 2011 No.7927994

Dunno, Byakuren and Mokou were my MVPs on the final stage of the main game when things got serious, and Aya's now one of my highest leveled characters. Though I like to Report everything to complete my bestiary.

Characters' damage ratings for moves is only compared to their own damage output, not to anyone else. Mokou's moves say low because that's low compared to the damage she deals once she gets moves that say High and Very High for damage.

Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 23:47:08 2011 No.7927998

>>7927981
Well, Aya can prove useful in a random enocounter if you get THAT one shitty mob with aoe death or spell cancel or some dumb shit since you can bomb to go first and hopefully kill them all.

Man, poor aya. She's worse than a Satori that just learns her spells by luck alone (not grinding).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 27 23:53:06 2011 No.7928016 >100 hours It's turned based old school JRPG style so I have to ask; of those hundred hours, how much of it is grinding?

Anonymous Tue Sep 27 23:53:38 2011 No.7928017

>>7927994
Pretty much, Mokou and Sanae were the only reason I could clear most of the hard things without relying heavily on bombs. Sanae with her infinite MP/+res and Mokou with Mach Punch + Blind and double action.

If you are using a powerhouse character Byakuren can make them destroy everything, and the status spells she does have are very strong.

>>7928016
If you have to ask, All of it.

>>	Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Tue Sep 27 23:54:08 2011 No.7928021 >>7928016 Um, stage are fairly long and filled with encounters, but I'd say 35%+ is probably grinding. Then again I have about 20 hours in at stage 8, maybe 2 of that was blue magic grinding, the rest was me getting lost all the time.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Tue Sep 27 23:57:07 2011 No.7928024

>>7927998
Actually, Aya's not bad, you just need to use her for her niche and not as a main damager. While she has a multi-hit move and a damage all move, she's more of a support character. She gets a field spell that both increases your accuracy and evasion, and later in the game your accuracy actually matters as characters like Sakuya will miss with most of her attacks without any extra boosts. Aya has one move that guarantees accuracy for a turn and one that greatly boosts dodge. Think of her as an alternate Reimu at times.

Also, turn manipulation is useful for random encounters sometimes you just need to nuke the opponent before it nukes you, especially frail but deadly things like Flayers.

Lastly, she is the only character that can reflect breath attacks every turn, and this becomes increasingly important, because believe it or not Petro Breath isn't the worst of it. It really is sort of a third attack type category after physical and magical and Aya's the go-to character to take care of it.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Tue Sep 27 23:59:09 2011 No.7928029 >>7928017 >If you have to ask, All of it. That's a shame... and I was sorta interested in playing it. Between that and the blue magic thing, I don't think I should.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 00:00:09 2011 No.7928031 >>7928016 There are 27 stages in the game, each with its own twists, plus a bunch of quests. It's very long even without grinding.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 00:01:45 2011 No.7928036

>>7927981
Starting off every encounter with a mind blast/petro breath/def reduce was pretty much 9/10 of the game for me.

Tough solo monster? Destro beam/poison hand
Hurt a little? Drain it back or Area heal/Group Heal
Group hitting status skills
Mini-reimu barrier around mid-late
Non-bomb light/dark AOES

Satori isn't a "set party member" as much as your own customizable character in many senses. Her overall utility is ridiculous.

Cons though are that she requires a stupidly high-level of dedication to "build" and an OCD's worst nightmare. Also, like most other kindergarten lolis she an't take any beating or she'll just plop over.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 00:03:13 2011 No.7928042

>>7928029
Actually, you practically don't have to grind at all for the main game. The bosses all focus on strategy.

It's just that if you want to get all the special equipment for everyone and constantly upgrade then you'd need to go hunting for items, Monster Hunger style. It's far from necessary though. You find plenty of regular equipment in chests and get items to make a couple forges so you can just play extremely conservatively with forging unique equipment.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 00:07:16 2011 No.7928052

>>7928029
The most similar mainstream recent game would be something like EO. There are stages and a loosely tied story, but really the game is just all about fighting harder and harder things while exploring or enduring lots of random battles while trying to be worn down as little as possible while the devs are laughing at you.
By that factor is it practically all grind. Some people enjoy that and don't see it as a grind, but that's all it is.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed Sep 28 00:10:15 2011 No.7928057

>>7928042
>>7928052
Hm, I see. Is it possible to run from random battles? If the bosses are all strategy and you can avoid battles at the cost of underleveling, that actually sounds kinda ideal.

I guess I wouldn't be able to use Satori though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 00:12:13 2011 No.7928060 >>7928057 You need levels to gain the skills you need to use against the bosses at first, but fighting random battles can be a fun challenge on its own.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 00:18:15 2011 No.7928071 Mokou's tier 3 fist and nitori's tier 3 gun both look really nice, but I'm out of sunflower seeds. Is it worth grinding for them? Do they drop any more commonly than regular materials?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 00:30:13 2011 No.7928095 >>7928071 Those gold ingredients are common, but the character specific ones are not until very later on. Make the exceptional ones that you think will be useful

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 00:37:53 2011 No.7928118

>>7928057
Levels occasionally give you better skills, but for the most part levels cease to really matter after the beginning. Quite often leveling up makes almost no difference. Sometimes literally no difference in your core stats and just a few more HP and MP points that mean nothing.

As I said, the game's more about switching setups for different enemies and bosses. You definitely can't just plow through everything with a single high leveled party like Chrono Trigger. Each character has niches they're best suited for. For example, everyone seems to be blasting Aya as the worst character, but she makes some of the deadliest foes, especially dragons, much much easier.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 00:42:47 2011 No.7928146
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>>7928057
Oh, and for your question about running, not only can you run, but you often should. Pick your fights wisely! Of course, most of my retreats are from trying to find metal slimes to fight so you don't actually need to run this much.

No enemy encounters, and enemies won't respawn until you leave the dungeon, so you REALLY don't have to grind or fight all that much if you don't want to.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 00:43:17 2011 No.7928152

Just starting this out, waiting for Btakuren to show up. Have some questions about formations and what not.

1. What's a nice starter formation?
2, Does whoever you put into the commander slot get to participate in combat?
3. Does the commander unit gain experience and other stats or must that unit be in the party of five?
4. Do experience gains change depending on how many people are in the active party?

May have more questions if these get answered or if I'm arsed enough to trial and error my way through this without needing someone to hold my hand.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 00:46:17 2011 No.7928167

I have played and not grinded at all for the first ten stages, simply found all chests and fought most monsters in my way. I have however run away many times as well. It's not that hard if you use the walkthrough for bosses and party rebuilding for the stages.

I have a party of about level 26 and I've made it to Youkai Mountain.

As long as you can optimize your characters to a stage's enemies and run away from the ones that give real trouble you should be entirely fine. Also running is always an option in random encounters. Don't be afraid to pick your battles.

Satori is however bullshit in terms of learning spells.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 00:57:50 2011 No.7928203

>>7928152
Default starter formations. No, really, the default "Speed/Freefight" formation really isn't kidding when it says that even though it's the default, it's not useless. And Hakurei Type is great for a long time.

Commander gets full exp and is sort of a sixth ranger. On the battle menu you can access the commander's two commander skills by pressing C (or whatever button you mapped it to). The first costs 1 bomb and the second costs 3 bombs. In addition the commander you choose provides a passive benefit to your party. For example, Mokou's passive ability gives your party members a low random chance to survive killing blows, and her skills can revive one character a turn, or make your entire party very high chance to survive killing blows for the turn.

You should go with full party, won't affect exp. EXP is scaled to your level however so if you grind and overlevel you'll get lower and lower exp until you only receive 10%. Similarly low level characters catch up fast.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 00:58:49 2011 No.7928204 Once I stop being so busy I'll work on the patch that has better item drops and learning rate, since people really seem to want that. Accidentally leavening a modified drop in one of the older patches demoralized my last start on that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 00:58:49 2011 No.7928205 >>7928152 Hinotori/Aya-Speed formation Group-size should always be full Commanders can use their commander spells in a selection menu before party members Exp scales with level and not party size

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 01:00:50 2011 No.7928218 >>7928152 If you decide to get Mokou early you get Hinotori Skydance. It's one of the best formations in the game and a more potent Hakurei Type.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 01:05:49 2011 No.7928241 >>7927773 Max out her Machouli tree ASAP Give her a knife to boost speed + accuracy She will be one of the best physical attackers for most of the game, on top of having spells for all elements

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 01:09:51 2011 No.7928250

>>7928218
>>7928205
>>7928203

Thanks for the quick replies, just realized some of the stuff I asked could have been answered simply by re-reading some of the stuff posted on the wiki but still, wasn't expecting so quick a response.

Guess my only other question while I wait for Byakuren so show up is who is best used as the commander? I'd like to go with Mokou or Marisa but dunno who I'd use as the bait unit and I take it Marisa is a powerhouse this early in the game, respectively.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 01:16:54 2011 No.7928253 >>7928250 Mokou's a great commander. Use Reimu to bait; she's tough enough to take a few hits early on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 01:18:23 2011 No.7928261 >>7928095 How later is very later? I don't want to save all my stuff for weapons that are unlocked at the same time as said stuff becoming dirt common.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 01:19:53 2011 No.7928265 I will never run while Mokou's at the head of my party. Dat walk.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 01:20:52 2011 No.7928267 God damn it, game. Stop crashing after I beat bosses.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 01:23:21 2011 No.7928275

>>7928261
The post game.
In general if the weapon has a really nice effect grab it. If it just does more damage wait until a couple ranks and check again.

For Mokou you really want the Silence and Blind (+phys deflect). Nitori's gun upgrades aren't really that great, I'd stick with 1 every 3 ranks for the slayer and elemental bullet for bosses.. Her armor is more important and you can use axes for random battles.
Axes and Spears are really good for attack power upgrades and you'll be swimming in them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 01:26:51 2011 No.7928284 >>7928275 Sound's about right...thanks for the advice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 01:36:58 2011 No.7928321 Are you unable to scan bosses?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 01:49:23 2011 No.7928367 >>7928321 If you mean Aya's report, only if you're higher level than them, which you won't be. You get Aya's commentary on them anyway if you beat them, though, so it's not a problem. If you mean Satori's scan, yeah, you should be able too.

Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv Wed Sep 28 01:54:56 2011 No.7928392
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>Iku: I'm gonna kill you with my motherfucking awesome drill.
>Nitori: Oh yeah? *brings out mini-drill* IT'S ON NOW, BITCH. LETS DO THIS.

This game is so awesome is so many different ways.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 02:37:04 2011 No.7928520 damn I'm getting raped in eientei. bamboo monsters and blood slimes are resisting everything I throw at them and killing me in 2 hits. what am I doing wrong? my characters are all level 25-27 and I just upgraded equipment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 02:42:35 2011 No.7928530 >>7928520 Bamboo and blood slimes side of Eientei is vulnerable against a magic oriented team.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 02:43:06 2011 No.7928533

>>7928520
The right side on Eientei is magic-friendly, the left is physical. Plan your teams accordingly. Note that Nitori's attacks are NOT magic. You'll want certain characters on each team for the bosses, but you DO get teleporters eventually and can rework your teams.

The blood slimes are weak to ice and maybe fire, the bamboo guys are weak to fire. Burn down the bamboo first chance you get.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 03:09:39 2011 No.7928598 >>7928533 well shit I sent sakyua and youmu right and patchu and satori left. I guess it needs to be the other way around.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 03:10:40 2011 No.7928603

>>7928533
I advise Alice, Reimu, Patchouli, Satori, and Marisa with Byakuren as commander for east side team and Mokou, Youmu, Sakuya, Nitori, and Aya with Sanae as commander for west side team.

Byakuren can restore east team's MP and Sanae west team's HP as commanders.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 03:59:13 2011 No.7928727 I'm surprised Sanae's buffs pretty much neutered Komachi. Are buffs that good in this game?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 04:03:13 2011 No.7928732 >>7928727 Yes. You would also be using Byakuren elemental weapon, nitori elemental weapon buff sooner or later once you hit the m-reflect mobs with high physical defense.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 04:04:42 2011 No.7928736 >>7928732 You mean the skill that laces your attacks with an element?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 04:11:42 2011 No.7928749 does this game have some kind of memory leak? running it is corrupting something and causing blue screens. restarting the computer seems to fix the problem until I start the game again.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 04:16:42 2011 No.7928763

>>7928749
It doesn't crash like that here, but the game gets slower and slower as time goes on for me. That seems to be quickened if I spend too long on a menu.

By the way, fucking squids. What can I do against a band of fags that paralyze 4 of my party members on the first turn, then paralyze the final one (which happens to be Patchu) when I'm trying to escape?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 04:21:43 2011 No.7928775 >>7928763 Boost your Res or wear paralyze-guard equipment maybe?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 05:05:49 2011 No.7928888 well I have been warned. Momiji's comeback with Cirno whooped my ass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 05:25:28 2011 No.7928958 Why is this game so addicting? I've been playing for about 7 hours now and I still don't want to stop. I feel sorry for my health.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 05:57:55 2011 No.7929042 File: 309 KB, 2000x2000, touhou_souzin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This place is driving me insane. How the fuck do I open these two gates in Stage 14?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 06:07:29 2011 No.7929064 Is there any way of restoring MP, other than the obvious magic circles and those +1 MP per turn passive skills?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 06:57:01 2011 No.7929157 >>7929064 Byakuren's commander spell

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 07:08:02 2011 No.7929171 Isn't mokou extremely useful as commander during bossfights though?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 07:11:33 2011 No.7929173 >>7929171 You are doing it wrong if you dying during boss fight. Imo Nitori is actually the best for boss fight. You get more elemental damage, 100% evasion and 0% evasion for the boss.

Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg Wed Sep 28 07:14:33 2011 No.7929177

>>7928204
This so much.

Really, most of the grinding isn't even leveling, its getting items to synth at the end of the game and a lot of early game grinding is just trying to get Satori up to speed.

I don't think I have what it take to spend 250+ hours just to have all the gear needed to beat the final EX boss.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 08:19:39 2011 No.7929291

>>7929042

I got stuck there too. You need to close the gate in the bottom area which will keep you from getting to the top gate, but you exit stage 14, then enter it again through where you fought Iku. Basically, you go through parts of stage 13 you missed to get further in stage 14. Also, you know the gate you see at the very start of the stage? Make sure you can go through the top entrance before you go back to stage 13.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 10:44:24 2011 No.7929652 Just finished Garden of Sun. What's up with the split parties at Eientei? Do I make 2 balanced parties?, is this a alternating flip switch kinda thing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 10:52:50 2011 No.7929680 is nitori more effective using her elemental attacks or with her gun skills?

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 10:57:50 2011 No.7929693

>>7929652

Nah, you just need to get to the end with both of them, although there is one place where you need both of them to activate a switch, but that just makes it easier to get to the end of the stage and isn't mandatory. Apparently it's best to split between physical and magical, but I just mixed in my underleveled characters with the guys I regularly used and split them up so that the weaker guys wouldn't be dying so often.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 11:13:53 2011 No.7929748 >>7929680 uh... both there is the popular Chaser Sweep tactic, I don't know what kind of damage chasers do. But her elemental attack spells rely on physical damage. The advantage of guns is mostly their Slayer attribute!

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 11:33:27 2011 No.7929818

>>7929171
I personally only used her as a commander for 1 fight - Tenshi. I beat her in a crowded formation with Reimu tanking + barriers + healing and Sanae healing.
Usually for me one person never dies on the boss, 2-3 die and its pretty much a wipe unless Mokou is in your active party with her amazing last word. Either way I'd rather have Youmu/Sakuya (-res/+ind on important debuffs/buffs can turn bosses into rag dolls), Nitori, or Byakuren for Random battles excluding the post game characters.

>>7929748
The biggest benefit from using guns on bosses is the Elemental weapon + Rage Eight combination. On stuff the slayer works with in that combo it is just unfair like one shotting Cirno.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 11:49:27 2011 No.7929880 >>7929818 Rage Eight divides hits on multiple enemies though, doesn't it? It annoyed me to see how 6 shots of 50 puny damage hit Momiji and only 2 hit Cirno

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 11:58:27 2011 No.7929911 >>7929880 Thats funny the exact opposite happened to me. two hit Momiji while the others hit Cirno critting about 3k each leaving Cirno with a sliver of health...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 12:55:07 2011 No.7930035 is there a way to change the request board? i want to keep killing Nazrin for gold but it's been replaced

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 13:01:07 2011 No.7930053

So what's up with monster re-spawns?

Is every mob set to a timer that follows the actual played game time? If I were to save and come back the next day,
monsters I've killed would still be dead.

The monsters in Bhava-aga were always fucking up though, especially in that last room with the 5 mind flayers.
It took me fucking 2 hours to get past that one room.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 13:01:08 2011 No.7930050 Do weapon-based effects (Slayer, Exorcism, etc) affect stuff beyond normal attacks? What about crits?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 13:28:42 2011 No.7930147 Mokou's phoenix screech never fails to make me laugh. It's just so out of place with the other sound effects. >swoosh >thwap >schwing >fwoosh fwoosh fwoosh >GREEEEEEEEEYE!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 13:29:11 2011 No.7930156 File: 79 KB, 643x483, text crop.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how do I fix the text clipping?

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 13:33:11 2011 No.7930173

Damn! You too have this bug that sometime game is turning off by itself? Espetially during fights? I started it and came to the Scarlet Mansion. But I cant go further, cause when im starting to fight with Meiling game turns off. Is there any way to fix that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 14:23:42 2011 No.7930372 File: 64 KB, 650x514, English version.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >One of the longest Touhou RPGs around has been translated! Was I wrong in believing that the prepatched game has the latest patch applied to it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 14:39:17 2011 No.7930426 >>7930372 that's just a typical "no one fucking cared" there are some cases where a proper insertion of english is rather impossible, like where it says fire water dark light etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 14:46:50 2011 No.7930444 >>7930372 That wasn't accessible to translation, and it isn't important either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 14:50:20 2011 No.7930459 Is the whole game going to be ridiculously hard random battles from Inner Eientei onward?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 14:52:50 2011 No.7930465 >>7930459 It just demands more flashy and mp-expensive moves in random battles. The times of quick combat + browsing /jp/ are over...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 14:53:20 2011 No.7930472 >>7930459 The few stages after Inner Eientei aren't even close to as bad. Eventually they'll get tougher, but it'll be a while after that place before you start feeling the pressure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:03:54 2011 No.7930506 File: 91 KB, 647x511, English version 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7930426 I'll assume this one is equally useless, as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:05:25 2011 No.7930517 >>7930147 So glad I'm not the only one. That fact that her spirit goes from pretty chillax to I'M ON FIRE just made it that much more funny to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:19:16 2011 No.7930587 File: 213 KB, 638x479, cheap.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Surprise attack by the youkai!! Oh, you cheap-ass son of a bitch, that's plain just cheating...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:26:41 2011 No.7930615 >>7930173 Thanks for help /jp/

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:30:33 2011 No.7930625 >>7930615 Running in windows 95 compatibility?

>>	Haiku-kun !PUoLapOgSM Wed Sep 28 15:32:23 2011 No.7930638 >>7930587 Not using Alice You ask for your own demise No rightful complaints

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:35:52 2011 No.7930647 >>7930625 Yes i did that, and it started work better, but it still turning off. :/

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:37:22 2011 No.7930655

>>7930638
Alice would have done jack shit. They each do over 200 damage and each one attacks before I can do ANYTHING.
Besides, I shouldn't have to use an otherwise dead-weight party member just in case I run into that one rare instagib group of enemies. Either way it's bad design.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:37:51 2011 No.7930657 >>7930647 Are you using japanese for your non unicode lanuage programs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:38:51 2011 No.7930660 >>7930647 Were you in Japanese mode when you installed it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:39:22 2011 No.7930665 File: 173 KB, 496x651, 24155 brown_hair crossover hat photoshop shameimaru_aya short_hair suzumiya_haruhi suzumiya_haruhi_no_yuuutsu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7930587 >Surprise Attack paranoid people trust in Aya.

>>	Haiku-kun !PUoLapOgSM Wed Sep 28 15:39:25 2011 No.7930666 >>7930655 "I can't blame myself" The sad words of a loser Truly meaningless

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:41:51 2011 No.7930675 >>7930666 Don't force your shitty character onto him, Bandwagon-kun.

>>	Haiku-kun !PUoLapOgSM Wed Sep 28 15:42:52 2011 No.7930681 >>7930675 Not so far in now But what is an RPG Without a good tank?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:44:52 2011 No.7930686 >>7930675 > Alice > Shitty character > didnt play the game

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:46:51 2011 No.7930694 Why the hell is Patchouli's Patk so high!? She's supposed to be a mage! I don't even see myself using her for magic when she's my second highest in Patk right now, only limited by her weapon.

>>	Haiku-kun !PUoLapOgSM Wed Sep 28 15:46:51 2011 No.7930697 >>7930686 Shitty character Maybe in terms of looks or Personality

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:48:22 2011 No.7930705

>>7930681
Mokou IS a tank, or at least enough of a tank for random battles. Alice is the boss tank; she doesn't do enough damage to justify herself being in your party ALL the time.
Maybe latter on random enemies will do enough damage that you'll need Alice. But in Inner Eientei they don't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:48:53 2011 No.7930706 File: 230 KB, 800x709, SQUATZ N OATZ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7930694 the 25 points skill in her physical tree gives her more lives and double attack chance.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:49:53 2011 No.7930713 >>7930665 How would she help? Does having her as a commander prevent surprise attacks?

>>	Haiku-kun !PUoLapOgSM Wed Sep 28 15:52:23 2011 No.7930724 >>7930705 Obviously not Since your awkward dilemma Was an insta-gib

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:52:23 2011 No.7930726 >>7930713 Read the skill trees.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:53:24 2011 No.7930731 File: 146 KB, 620x900, 1289118518199.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7930713 her Air War tree covers that. the disadvantage? having Aya in your party. poor Aya. Got the short end of the stick. Illusionary Dominance is very good though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:54:53 2011 No.7930736 >>7930726 Oh, that. But she's such a shitty character otherwise...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 15:59:23 2011 No.7930754 >>7930706 That's aburdly good. Her HP's kind of low and her MP is pretty bad considering the skills she has though. Does int increase MP in this? Cause I can't find any good MP increasers in her other streams.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 16:00:53 2011 No.7930764 >>7930754 At some point you'll start finding items that increase MP, which are definitely worth using.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 16:02:24 2011 No.7930776 >>7930660 >>7930657 Hmm, i dont think so. Thanks I'll check it :)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 16:11:54 2011 No.7930812 >>7930754 Low on mana? respec to books Learn Reading yay mana!

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 16:13:24 2011 No.7930817

>>7930724
But see, none of the other encounters warrant having Alice. None of them.

Besides, what could Alice do? There's 9 enemies, and each one does 200+ damage. Often WELL over 200; they're probably going to one-shot anyone who isn't a tank. If each one of them attacks once, Alice needs to withstand 5 very powerful attacks in a row, WITHOUT being able to cast any of her defensive spells. Even if she survives those 5 attacks, she'll go down soon after, and then whatever enemies remain will go about one-shotting your party. Keep in mind all this is assuming they all go after Alice right from the start.
When/if you finally do get a turn, you've either got to run or get lucky and have Patchy or Nitori left alive; you'll need to kill all of them at once with the tattered remains of your party, and these enemies resist every element except thunder. Trying to escape MIGHT work, but probably not; there's 9 of them, and at least one or two is going to attack before you get away, which would be enough at this point to kill you.

No chance. You have no chance.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 16:21:55 2011 No.7930858 Man, I wish there was a cure to Sakuya's MP problems. I'm using at least 12 MP a turn and then bam, she's doing less than third of her usual damage. I'm even using an MP boosting accessory.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 16:22:57 2011 No.7930863 >>7930858 Where are you?

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 16:24:31 2011 No.7930873

>>7930863

Chapter 17, I beat that crab girl thing. I ran out of MP during the Genji fight though, and I usually run low during other boss fights. I gave her an MP boosting accessory, an attack boosing one and an accuracy boosting one. I usually need to beat bosses before she runs out of MP or else I'm probably doomed.

>>	Haiku-kun !PUoLapOgSM Wed Sep 28 16:25:33 2011 No.7930879 >>7930817 If you have no chance Why even make a complaint? Just sigh and move on

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 16:28:32 2011 No.7930901 >>7930879 I would have raged and been done with it if we hadn't gotten into a discussion over it.

>>	Haiku-kun !PUoLapOgSM Wed Sep 28 16:30:38 2011 No.7930911 >>7930901 Just think for yourself Please don't get caught in my pace Then blame me after

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 16:36:37 2011 No.7930940 >>7930911 I give credit where credit is due.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 16:41:34 2011 No.7930970

>>7930638
You mean not using Aya. Alice is so overrated for random battles before the temple it isn't even funny.

Yet people scream about how Aya, Byakuren, Youmu and Reimu are useless? Rude awakening incoming once you stop getting carried by chasers and the monsters man the fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 16:43:34 2011 No.7930977 >>7930970 >Yet people scream about how Byakuren, Youmu and Reimu are useless They do?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:03:50 2011 No.7931043 File: 295 KB, 640x479, eek.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh lord, that face...I can't stop laughing...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:17:53 2011 No.7931118 >>7931043 Here I thought for a moment that Aya would be a boss enemy too.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:17:53 2011 No.7931121

>>7930858
My Sakuya have the same problem too. She's my main damage output.

I usually just use Jack the Ludo Bile most of her damage. It's also a good choice if you have the double attack skill, since that tend to really rape your mana if it procs on a 12 MP move ( and JLB will hit 2-4 times for 6 MP!). My damaging strat in boss fights are buffs/debuffs/enchant weakness on Sakuya's weapon > Private Square then burst them down. I conserve my mana with JLB like before. Even Genji died in 3 turns, though that's probably due to Youmu also critting for 6k.

The key to managing her MP for me, is to not use any 12 MP moves unless I know it's going to do insane damage. I specialized my Sakuya is multi hit attacks though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:19:43 2011 No.7931129 How many of the shisa's skills can satori learn? On the excel sheet it says you can learn starlight barrier with a 50% chance but I swear I've been hit 3-4 times with maxed learning and no skill. Am I missing something or what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:21:05 2011 No.7931136 >>7931121 I don't think the extra attacks you get from multi-hit procs use up mana.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 17:21:05 2011 No.7931138 >>7931129 Yes you are, it says you have to be level 50+

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 17:22:57 2011 No.7931140 >>7931136 It costs extra mana but not extra bombs

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:24:03 2011 No.7931144 >>7931136 I'm pretty sure it does. I've gotten the "not enough MP" message for both Sakuya and Mokou when they tried to use a second attack. Also, you'd notice when Perfect Murder Doll procs twice.

>>	professional NEET xD lol !mltlGex7T2 Wed Sep 28 17:24:03 2011 No.7931145 >>7931140 shtu the fuck up

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:25:04 2011 No.7931151

>>7931121

Wait, her spells can double hit? I thought only her normal attacks had a chance to double hit. I usually spam Full Moon Revenge and use Perfect Murder Doll when I can, the only buff I get is Sanae's attack buff and then she just hits stuff. She's more like my secondary damage dealer, with Youmu as my main one, although it's reversed for normal battles.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:32:08 2011 No.7931174

>>7931151
I have Byakuren in my party as well as Sanae. I can't imagine having to use Sakuya's moves without having Byakuren backing her up. ACC up/Meltdown/Elemental enchants makes my Sakuya. Youmu takes an extra turn or two to set up, so she usually cleans up for my Sakuya in random encounters. In boss fights, Youmu can hold her own constant damage output, and still burst along side Sakuya after I give her Byakuren's enchants too. Youmu may be my main damage in boss fights, but Sakuya is the reason bosses loose 70% of their health in 2 turns.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:35:08 2011 No.7931186 >>7931138 So it does. Thanks for that. I feel like an idiot now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:36:08 2011 No.7931191 >>7931174 I don't really use Byakuren at all. I've been playing favorites even though I was told not to since the very beginning. The only time she matches up to Youmu's damage is when she gets her Last Word.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:47:26 2011 No.7931223

>>7931191
But.... but.... Byakuren is sooo moe...

I feel your pain, my team is comprised of favorites too. Though I really felt the pain when fighting Tenshi. Mokou just couldn't cut it. I had to switch in Raymoo.

There comes a time in every party's life where they have to switch characters out. It was painful, but I had to do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:48:26 2011 No.7931228 >Youkai mountain is the last place we haven't checked... What about Makai, Heaven, the rest of the underground, the Human Village, Mayohiga, everywhere in between...

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 17:49:26 2011 No.7931233

>>7931223

The most I've ever had to do was switch commanders, which I don't really mind. I've been using Reimu, Sakuya, Sanae, Satori, Youmu and Marisa as my main team. Usually Marisa is my main mob fighter, while I switch Sanae in for bosses since I need more damage for typical mob fights which Sanae lacks.

professional NEET xD lol !mltlGex7T2 Wed Sep 28 17:57:54 2011 No.7931250 [DELETED]

>>7931233
i switched commands with ur fucking dog you little bitch
i order it to rape ur mothers anus and make her sing a barking song with her while i recording it on my fucking iphone then i fucking uploaded it to youtube and jacked off to it
BITCH

>>	Haiku-kun !PUoLapOgSM Wed Sep 28 18:00:18 2011 No.7931257 File: 139 KB, 1226x685, 1267153196841.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can't beat Okuu Her Mega Flare can't be beat My tanks are useless

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:02:35 2011 No.7931262 >>7931257 She doesn't use Mega Flare until she's low on HP.

>>	professional NEET xD lol !mltlGex7T2 Wed Sep 28 18:03:35 2011 No.7931264 >>7931257 u know what else is useless? YOU and i filled ur dads tank up with CUM

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:04:16 2011 No.7931267

None of the characters seem unusable. About halfway through Youkai mountain and I've been leveling everybody equally so everybody's at about the 27-29 range.

>>7930970
I find Aya useful for her support skills, she can send up an attacker you're not confident can act before a potentially party wiping attack might occur on the first turn to take it out or if you're really not confident the entire team can go first. Allows you to sweep enemies that would normally wipe your entire party. The fact that helmet fairies have all targeting magic is incredibly dangerous if I don't kill them first.

Also am I the only one building Byakuren for IND? I've gotten her to like 136 IND and make her use her makai butterfly and makai temptation spells if I want to make a group of enemies less dangerous. It's surprisingly effective. Her casting can also be supported by Aya as well so I could potentially have the entire enemy party charmed at the very start.

Reimu has been lackluster for me since I don't heal much and instead focus on a kill or be killed style of strategy.

>>	Haiku-kun !PUoLapOgSM Wed Sep 28 18:06:15 2011 No.7931272 File: 127 KB, 1042x758, 1268778578061.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7931262 Even though that's true Low HP is on the path To zero HP

>>	Haiku-kun !PUoLapOgSM Wed Sep 28 18:11:12 2011 No.7931288 >>7931272 I managed to win. Fuck Satori, I want her Alice is broken

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:11:46 2011 No.7931285

>>7931272

Yes, but Reimu has the answer. Spoilers here if you want to find out how I did it.

Reimu's Fantasy Heaven spell will do over 900 damage to Utsuho, which is almost half her HP. Fantasy Heaven, then wait for it to come off cooldown by attacking Orin or something. Then, FANTASY HEAVEN FINAL SPARK and other spells the other characters can do. Although Master Spark may be better since it doesn't have a stupidly long cooldown like Final Spark does.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:13:15 2011 No.7931294 >>7931288 Oh, never mind then. Anyways, Satori shouldn't be nearly as tough as those two, but the stage itself will be troublesome. I hope you like hidden pathways.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:14:14 2011 No.7931301 File: 140 KB, 641x480, truth.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7931288 >Fuck Satori, I want her

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:14:15 2011 No.7931297

>>7931257
>>7931272
It is, but you can jump over it.

http://archive.easymodo.net/jp/thread/7848236#p7871692
My strategy for beating them is here, it's rather step by step so it should be easy to understand. However feel free to not use it if you don't want to. It's manageable at fairly low levels though. Levels 7-9.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:16:39 2011 No.7931304 File: 148 KB, 634x501, satori after rape.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7931301 >/jp/'s favorite scene

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:19:17 2011 No.7931317 >>7931301 >>7931304 I can't believe someone could make me feel bad about just having Satori in my party. That guy last thread made me feel horrible. She barely gets any respect.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:19:41 2011 No.7931314 File: 228 KB, 640x479, poor satori.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7931304 Favorite? I think the verdict was that we felt sorry for her. Satori sure ends up on the ground with everyone looking at her a lot...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:21:14 2011 No.7931327 File: 319 KB, 1647x1200, 1579828359ba627c5ecdb1f42cc9a03a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] after all the dreadful "learning", I think that Satori might be M

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:24:58 2011 No.7931337 >>7931317 Pay attention to your thoughts the next time you try to get her to learn some spells. >Come on, come on, hit her...HIT her! No, no, not Sanae, hit Satori! She's right in front, damn it!

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:32:08 2011 No.7931362
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>>7931337

I haven't been thinking that actually. I've only been thinking it might be nice if she learned abilities, I put her in the back so she wouldn't get hit very much. I don't want to see her fall, I've been giving her the best equipment I can get her. Maybe that's why she started learning more stuff since Youkai Mountain.

>>7931327

That's what you think. She endures that pain so she can become more powerful. Strong enough to protect herself, her pets, the strongest in all of Gensokyo. It's a story of growth.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:39:38 2011 No.7931381

Is there a trick to remillia, or am I just supposed to pray that the RNG doesn't make her charm all 4 party members and have them all 1-shot themselves/eachother on turn 2?

Or is there a side dungeon I can grind at, maybe? there are no monsters in the mansion and my party is only level 5.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:44:21 2011 No.7931403 >>7931381 Sanae gets her RES buff spell at level 5. Use it.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:50:29 2011 No.7931422 [DELETED]

>>7931362
Its not like i wanted to be strong, i just did what was needed to survive. after that incident you just forced me along! im no soldier why are you forcing me to fight. im so tired, everyday fighting in the frontline... i-i just want to be left alone...

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:51:00 2011 No.7931426
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>>7931362
Its not like i wanted to be strong, i just did what was needed to survive. after that incident you just forced me along! im no soldier why are you forcing me to fight. im so tired, everyday fighting in the frontline... i-i just want to be left alone...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:52:35 2011 No.7931430 >>7931403 and that's the difference between my chars 1-shotting themselves and hitting each other for 1 damage. thanks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 18:55:00 2011 No.7931439 File: 86 KB, 313x212, 1312152634336.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7931426 It's like you really want me to take her out of my party. But no one else is good enough to take her place.

>>	Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv Wed Sep 28 18:58:57 2011 No.7931446 Speaking of Satori, Oh God, i finally got here to learn Petro Breath. Two fucking hours. I regret nothing.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 19:00:29 2011 No.7931451
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To be honest I have no idea, for me the first two stages and bosses were tutorial and I killed them both early on the second turn before they could react. Nobody ever did anything threatening.

I guess you should concentrate on taking Remi down first with concentrated fire, Last Spells, ect if you can't nuke both at once.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 19:05:13 2011 No.7931460 >>7931451 Tried that, with several different growth variants to boot, but couldn't kill her before she charms my party. Really, the sanae spell I learned and never equipped was the difference between a near impossible fight and a joke of a fight.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 19:23:21 2011 No.7931515 >>7931257 My solution to that was just MORE POWER. Orin somehow didn't even get two turns, and Okuu went down shortly after. I felt so proud of myself

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 20:01:43 2011 No.7931667 Oh crap, the second random battle music sucks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 20:15:39 2011 No.7931715 File: 12 KB, 248x324, satori.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The smuggest.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 20:27:45 2011 No.7931761 >>7931667 It's definitely not better than the first one, but I don't think it sucks. It's just meh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 22:15:27 2011 No.7932204 is it possible to grind pre-expansion equipment during the post expansion? i missed out on alot of amulets and stuff so i am wonder if i can still grind for them

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 22:20:32 2011 No.7932217 >>7932204 Of course, expansion just adds new scenarios and quests and characters, it's not a separate game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 22:20:35 2011 No.7932222 Does anyone know how long it takes for dungeons to respawn? I've been clearing entire stages, then afking outside for awhile to go back in later to still find nothing has respawned yet. I remember someone said it was purely time based.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 22:26:58 2011 No.7932235

>>7932222
Quite the opposite. I don't know if time still plays a factor in the overall calculation of things, but the critical factor is leaving and exiting (and dying in) dungeons. Enemies will definitively not respawn until you leave a dungeon no matter how long you stay inside it. Leaving and entering any dungeon counts toward the hidden respawn counter for the enemies, and enemies in the same dungeon can respawn at different times if you died or left in between. Ideally you just alternate between different dungeons, but if you really want to immediately respawn a dungeon right away, just keep entering and exiting it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 22:32:30 2011 No.7932260 So...can Aya report Yukkuri? She's higher than them, but instead of a success or failure message I got blanks, with no report when I checked.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 22:33:01 2011 No.7932265 >>7932260 I actually got that minor bug the first time I tried too but all successive yukkuri and their evolved forms got reported perfectly fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 22:34:33 2011 No.7932267 >>7932235 >just keep entering and exiting it. I've tried this before and it doesn't work, unless you need to do it an absurd number of times like over 50 times.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 22:34:34 2011 No.7932266 File: 312 KB, 640x480, fatchouli.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] patchouli is the best tank.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 22:37:32 2011 No.7932276 They dont respawn if you just exit and reenter. They will respawn if you go out go back to the hakurei shrine and then reenter it.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 22:41:14 2011 No.7932288

>>7932267
>>7932276
I'm not sure how exactly it works. It's said entering and exiting 30 times respawns a dungeon, but I usually crawl through different dungeons, and enemies usually respawn after I spend some time in 2 or 3 other dungeons.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 22:53:04 2011 No.7932331 >>7932265 Huh, tried it again and it worked fine, go figure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 23:05:03 2011 No.7932375 Why can't I hold, all these pretty mirrors?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 23:11:34 2011 No.7932396 So considering your limited supplies, who's unique weapons are worth getting?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 28 23:13:04 2011 No.7932406 >>7932396 Physical damage dealers like Sakuya and Youmu will generally want to get their weapons upgraded more than magic users. That's just what I think though.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Wed Sep 28 23:13:08 2011 No.7932407 >>7932396 Things with effects you like. Don't do it just for higher numbers.

Anonymous Wed Sep 28 23:19:05 2011 No.7932438

>>7932396
Sakuya, Youmu and Nitori benefit the most IMO. Marisa should get at least one upgraded broom for the 2x MP regen. Byakuren's weapons are also the only ones that use Magic Medals, so if you're not the accessories type of guy you can upgrade those if you have the spare X tier ingredients.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 29 00:00:25 2011 No.7932546 Inner Eientei must have broke my stride or something. I'm just not doing as good as I was before.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 29 00:51:44 2011 No.7932726 >>7932546 it's normal some stages are more challenging than others due to the mobs, just wait until that stage where you split up into 3 groups, one of the areas are packed with petro breaths and the other with mindflayer type squids

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp Thu Sep 29 01:30:07 2011 No.7932826 New thread! >>7932818

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