/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Yasuhiro Imagawa, director of G Gundam and Giant Robo, talk about the future of anime from 1997.
>Mr. Imagawa was a bit more bleak; he sees a dead end looming in front of the world of anime. Echoing critics of a lot of popular television in America, he sees too much of the same thing being repeated in different shows. Once a show or genre becomes popular, it gets copied to the point that it becomes difficult to tell one show from another; only the names seem different. In terms of technique this has improved things, as each show learns from the previous ones. But Mr. Imagawa sees this as only superficial growth, not the internal growth of stories and themes needed to sustain the art form. A flashy character design and good drawings can't make up for a bad story. As a result, he no longer watches much TV anime. He spends much more of his time watching American and European dramas—cinema which he feels has depth and substance.

>He agrees that this repetition in anime is leading to a narrowing of Japanese TV audiences' tastes. And like a food bias, this leads to a vicious cycle. Without exposure to other types of shows, audiences are less likely to "brave them" and give them a fair shot. Without confidence in a potential audience, producers are unlikely to make these "risky" shows. So audiences are not exposed to them, and and the cycle continues.

He predicted the disaster moeblob and Gundam SEED, but no one listened

[Anonymous No.]

>He spends much more of his time watching American and European dramas

[Anonymous No.]

That's an interesting topic and I'm sure our anime board will be interested in it. Here, let me direct you there: >>>/a/

[Anonymous No.]

But engaging stories and character development might get in the way of my cute girls doing cute things and breast jokes! I can't self-insert into a main character who has character traits!

Seriously, though. I'm teaching in Akita right now, and whenever I try to use Kenshiro, Lupin III, DBZ, Gundam, or any well-known 'classic' of anime, the kids know it. It's always a series that still stands out. If it's something popular from a couple years back, not a single one has any clue. They love it when I pull out the Hokuto no Ken stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915897
>Implying /a/ isn't big 3 shit, madoka shit, kon shit and you can discuss anything seriously.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

Well, Giant Robo is one of the best anime ever. He knows what he's talking about.

Imagawa said he was working on something new with Junji Nishimura (the director of Simoun) like back in 2007. I sure hope he wasn't BSing, because working together they both could probably create something brilliant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915891
>disaster moeblob
Yeah thank god for the current wave.
It saves anime.

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>>7915909
What, you tell them "You are already dead" and go atatata on them and stuff? That sounds pretty neat.

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>>7915909
Hit that darn submit button to early... the point was that recent anime may be interesting for a while, but ultimately they're so generic, they're forgettable. Why was Yosuga no Sora notable? The dude actually got laid at the end of an arc, rather than just a mutual understanding of romantic attraction. That's it. Why is Kenshiro notable? He's visually distinct from other main characters. His voice and vocal habits are memorable. His setting is uncommon and rather unique for the time. His story is dramatic and has highs and lows. The action in his story, while important, isn't as much the driving force of the series as the drama surrounding his character and significance. It's not DEEP, it's just... actually interesting.

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>>7915908
No, I'm actually implying something completely different, but I don't blame you for misunderstanding that. I do, however, blame you for misusing the quote function. You seem to be from /a/, seeing how you have an in-depth knowledge of that board, would you mind dropping all the bad posting habits you acquired there, at least for the time period when you're here on /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

How dare you criticize deep and meaningful moeblobs

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915932
Source? Looks familiar.

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>>7915936
I don't even remember, sion recommended it to me some time ago, but it was beyond boring, so I dropped it at first episode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915941
suck my cock dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915936
Google is your friend

Lotte no Omocha

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915945
What!? But it was!

This thread is now about Touhou Fuhai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915908

You can change that now!

[Anonymous No.]

lol guess what

Imagawa is working on some shitty echii manga now

[Anonymous No.]

Bemoaning current anime and "moeshit" is an /a/ topic. Anything related to anime is an /a/ topic. Fuck off back to /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915929
Lots of different stuff. There's little memo pads you can order off of amazon.jp where it's Hokuto no Ken manga pages in mini-form, so I can make a notice where Kenshiro is telling them to study or do homework or "Omae wa mou benkyoushiteiru" or something like that.

Or we were doing practice for "how many", and so I was using different pictures I found online... 4 puppies, 5 kittens, 2 namahage, 3 dango, etc. I bring up the flag of my home state. 1 star. Picture of a dragon ball. 4 stars. Picture of Kenshiro. 7 stars. They like that stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915952
What about /jp/?

Otaku is related to anime, and we already discuss /lang/ shit here.

[Anonymous No.]

This works just as well when you change "anime" with "American and European dramas" for most of us I'm sure.

He just hasn't acclimated to our repetition yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915954
That's cute. They're grade schoolers, right?

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>>7915956
The pleasure of being cummed inside is not a /lang/ topic.

...I hope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915952
>moeshit

So touhou belongs in /a/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915964
Touhou is not moeshit, heathen.

[Anonymous No.]

Do people still really watch anime? Like, in August 2011, people still watch anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915964
"So VNs belong in /a/?"

You have more sense than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915964
>touhou
>moeshit
Touhou is REAL DEAL as shit.
Perhaps you should start playing the game and stop watching Iosys video.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915969
What?

>>7915972
Keep telling yourself that. Look at OP's.

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>>7915973
Only weeaboos still watch anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915979
I played all the games, idiot. Doesn't mean it's not full of moeblobs.

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>>7915980
My point, everything on /a/, /c/, /jp/ and all the other weeaboos boards could be called "moe" in one capacity or another. That doesn't mean it belongs in /a/ based on that criteria.

The "sense" part, is that you should stop that knowing full well what he means.

in the end, try convincing moot to put it there, I wish thee luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915982
Yeah, there are people like, watching new shows and like, talking about anime as we speak. it's bizarre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915980
I dont think you can find a mainstream cute girls doing cute things anime with a little girl dress half nakedly and is in the process of getting raped?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915980
Canon Touhou isn't moe at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915988
he's saying that complaining about moeshit and being a pretentious ass about your japanese cartoons belongs in /a/. Obviously touhou is moe.

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>>7915986
Yes, thus weeaboos.

[Anonymous No.]

>People trend is enjoying brainless moeblob now.
>BAWWW ONLY MOEBLOB IS MAKING MONEY THE MEDIUM IS DYING ;_; THEY DONT LET US BE CREATIVE, PUBLISHERS ARE EVIL >:( I WANT TO BE SUPER CREATIVE AND MAKE PUBLISHERS UNSURE IF ANIME IS A GOOD PLACE TO INVEST

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915990
Yes, I can.

>>7915993
>garbage_collection.png

Fuck off, I bet you never played all the games.

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>>7915995
Plenty art is moe sure, but there's also plenty REAL DEAL/grimdark art too, does that mean touhou is grimdark? You don't base something off its fanbase, that's why people say everything is shit. You can't really say the official art or characters are "moe" unless you have a fetish for deformities (i expect to get a reply saying they do even if they dont).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915996
it's a strange world we live in.

[Anonymous No.]

It's funny how you use the term "moeshit" as if it actually meant something, /a/friends. But please, do it somewhere else, this is really off-topic here.

>>7915973
There was season 2 of Kaiji recently, nostalgia made me watch it.

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>>7916000
I don't think Imagawa was complaining about moeblobs. OP is ones of those retards who twists words around.

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>>7915956
>Otaku is related to anime
Stop using this shitty and fallacious argument. If we can discuss /a/ stuff because of anime otaku then we can discuss /v/ stuff because of game otaku, /k/ stuff because of gun otaku, /n/ stuff because of train otaku, /sp/ stuff because of sports otaku, etc.

>>7915964
I meant it in the sense of
>bemoaning... "moeshit"
Note how I was referring to a single topic. Most /jp/ topics revolve around cute 2D girls so I doubt many people here have a problem with moe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915982
I don't think you know what weeaboo means.

I bet you're the type of person who calls someone a weeaboo if they so much as own one Japanese product.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7916005
I guess I'm watching kaiji too. So maybe I am one of those guys who still watch anime.

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>>7916017
name an anime that doesn't have a shitty story.

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>>7916000
Typical.
When the directors make shit like Fractale and Redline and got surprised that it doesnt sell. They then go and blame everything on moeshit instead of their own shitty anime with shitty story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7916019
"opinions then counter-opinions then personal attacks then spam"

I just outlined the following posts, don't go down that path.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7916009
>If we can discuss /a/ stuff because of anime otaku then we can discuss /v/ stuff because of game otaku, /k/ stuff because of gun otaku, /n/ stuff because of train otaku, /sp/ stuff because of sports otaku, etc.

> /sp/ stuff because of sports otaku, etc.

...no. No you can't, you idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7916007
>but there's also plenty REAL DEAL/grimdark art too

And none of it official.

>You can't really say the official art or characters are "moe" unless you have a fetish for deformities (i expect to get a reply saying they do even if they dont).

You should expect a reply pointing out you don't seem to know what moe is, instead.

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>>7916023
I can't help myself. I just can't.

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>>7916026
I'd love to hear your definition

and IOSYS is official?

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>>7916026
Moe is indefinable and personal. One can never know the true form of moe, rather, one creates his own true form of moe.

[Anonymous No.]

>Once a show or genre becomes popular, it gets copied to the point that it becomes difficult to tell one show from another; only the names seem different. In terms of technique this has improved things, as each show learns from the previous ones.
Fucking cheers on this discovery.
>But Mr. Imagawa sees this as only superficial growth, not the internal growth of stories and themes needed to sustain the art form.
But that's wrong you retard, as soon as people get bored of it and the sales nosedive, they are going to have to improve, either by changing the way Anime is or by improving the plot.


>He agrees that this repetition in anime is leading to a narrowing of Japanese TV audiences' tastes.
Just like byronism ended with the reader capability to read other books rite.
>Without confidence in a potential audience, producers are unlikely to make these "risky" shows.
So basically you're admitting the fact that you won't be making money with the show and you want people to fund it?

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>>7916019
Maybe you sure rewatch LOGH since it is in BD now.

>>7916026
Alice is a bitch in the game and both Reimu and Marisa are jerks.
Hardly the characteristic of a moeblob.

Seriously if you guys wanna complain about the state of anime, bring it to >>>/a/.

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>>7916034
Hey genius, good job replying to a 1997 interview under pressure and early anime times.

[Anonymous No.]

>Touhou

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>>7916033
There's only one thing that bothers me more than reaction faces - reaction faces the poster doesn't even know the source of.

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>>7916035
>LOGH since it is in BD now.
and noone is doing encoding it

[Anonymous No.]

I enjoy my moeblobs. Not disturbed at all of the current direction of anime.
You're also wrong, there are enough ``deep'' and ``serious'' series, they're just not as many as they used to be. I wouldn't mind more of them, but I also don't mind some of the lighter stuff they're doing these days.
If I didn't like those, I would probably find watching anime quite painful these days. The same kind of painful that you get when 30-50% of american/british tv shows are just cop/"mystery"(only in name, hardly mysterious enough) type of shows (why are they so popular anyways?) and you're bored to death of them.

[Anonymous No.]

The fanbases of "risky" shows are always more obnoxious than your average fanbase, that's a fact.

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>>7916045
It is encoded up to ep12 now.
It is just slow.

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>>7916041
I don't think I was denying it got serious/dark though.

If you allow me to borrow Inaba of the Moon and Earth's general idea, there's plenty of times where Alice acts like a cute mature girl who's pretty diligent and gets along with Marisa.

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>>7916035

Who's encoding LOGH BD again? Is CA redoing all of their DVD releases?

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>>7916047
deep and serious anime is for pretentious nerds, lighthearted and funny anime is for idiotic nerds.

[Anonymous No.]

OP here.

I hope you guys enjoyed replying to copypasta from /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7916021
That part wasn't meant to be serious but good job using it as an excuse to ignore the rest of the post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7916056

Let me get back to you on that.

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>>7916063
http://www.ex.org/2.5/06-feature_3amigos.html

In what way do you think this is trolling?

Back in the day, that word meant something.

[Feiden No.]

You know what I did this past week? Watched Nichijou and read The Santaroga Barrier. The month before that I watched GiTS and read part of Snowcrash.

While life is just the process of dying, that doesn't mean we need treat it as an over-drawn funeral procession purely for enlightenment and introspection. Entertainment is not just for the sake of being thought-provoking, there's a share of that as well, in any media. Trying to downplay light entertainment for being just what it is can be rather pointless. I can agree the current trend can be frustrating but anyone who wants to express an idea but can't because its unmarketable will of course find a vent point.

>>7916063
Replyer here, I hope you enjoyed starting a thread that made people think a bit. Copypasta or no, it can still spark good debate or conversation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7916063
0/10

The real OP here

I got banned from /a/, and my proxy can't work anymore
So I haven't post this on /a/ yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>7916075
>current trend can be frustrating
Your nostalgia is showing.
Anime in the 90s isnt actually better.

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>>7916041
When the other person isn't a dick and doesn't get in her way, she is actually nice and trusting.

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>>7916078
Never said it was, remember; everything is shit, and if you like it you've got bad taste

[Anonymous No.]

>>7916093
If that is the case, why do you even care if the current trend is upsetting for you?

[Feiden No.]

>>7916095

It isn't upsetting me, going "meh" at something hardly means I'm upset, I'm not that sensitive

[Anonymous No.]

say it with me udonge

[Anonymous No.]

Note that:
> Japanese guy
> Says he's bored watching Japanese shit.

> This guy >>7915896 and I guess including myself, are bored of American and European shit.
> Most likely that both of us have been exposed to it for most of our lifetime

Do you people see the connection here? What we have here is a simple tiring out of the ar tof a certain culture. Which makes sense that he look towards other culture's works with a great sense of mystique, because he's probably not spent half his life surrounded by it. Just the same way that I look at anime the same way (though, honestly, it's beginning to wane as well - again, due to tiring out of the culture).

tl;dr: Fuck you, read it or leave it.

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>>7916061
0/fucking 10.

I can tell your lies miles away.

>>7916077
Oh, so that's why this has been posted hundreds of times in /a/ right?

OP, stop trollan and enjoy your bans.

[Anonymous No.]

Obviously we need to make deep and original shows with meaningful themes that make people think.

Then, after the plot and themes are storyboarded out, right before animation actually starts, cut out all the male characters and replace them with cute girls.

Instant masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7916103

新一派,

東方不敗

王者之風

全新招式

石破天驚

看招

血染東方一遍紅!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

lol

http://archive.easymodo.net/jp/thread/7915891

[Anonymous No.]

>>7919446
Why are you bumping some /a/-tier whine thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7915891
>He spends much more of his time watching American and European dramas—cinema which he feels has depth and substance.
>which he feels has depth and substance.
Poor guy. Serious case of reverse-weeaboo.