/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Adam Jensen No.]

I never asked for this.

[Anonymous No.]

Needs more orange tint

[Anonymous No.]

This is an extreme improvement over both F/SN as well as Deus Ex.

[Anonymous No.]

Silence, peasant! You are to be my Master! This is a decree from the holy King Arthur, who are you to dare to disobey!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819151
Don't forget the blurry textures, crappy AA, and haze.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819147
Oh god, I can just imagine Urobuchi writing VN like that. Actually, I don't think anyone would be surprised by that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819171
I'm sure he'd love Deus Ex.

Someone send him a copy so it influences his next work.

[Anonymous No.]

Jensen with a few augs could probably beat everyone in the holy grail war. He wouldn't even need saber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819157
In a generation of shit games. Its not the time to be picky or a graphics whore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819179
jensen cant kill servants

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819192
He will just have to use praxis points on "Spiritual Materialization" augment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819192
Yes he can. he has regenerating health, superhuman strength, cloak, super jump, typhoon, and those blade thingies that come out of his arm

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819199

Machines don't get spiritual, they are by definition lacking souls.

At the very least he'd need a magus or church agent to enchant him. Magi seem to hate technology, and the church hate all impure humans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819206
You can't kill Servants just by being able to fight better than them.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

Can I download this game yet?

As a big fan of the original I have decided that I will not give Square Enix my double dollars in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819216
Especially not Urobuchi servants who move faster than sound and the wind created just by swinging their weapons is able to bust metal and concrete.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819216
Why not? tohsaka almost destroyed medea with her fists

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819157
Even though it makes the text look like ass Sharpen Complex v2 really helps with those blurry textures (they'll still be low-res and over compressed however).

The rampant banding is what pisses me off more than anything. It's almost like playing in 16bit color at times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819218
Yep, it is out there waiting to be pirated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819218
Yes, you can.

make sure you get the Black Box repack (available in warez-bb) it includes all the pre order bonuses

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819211
Brothers, I have discovered a heretic!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819227

Nasu Servants have those too.

Berserker's backwind on his swings is enough to damage Saber even when she parries his attacks, and it's why she cannot fight with him for long.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>7819235
He obviously hasn't used enough holy lubricant on his machines.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819226

For the modern era, and in brute force, she's one of the strongest and most balanced magi.

Furthermore the Tohsaka line believes in strengthening their mind and body with martial arts, and Medea knows jack shit about physical combat.
Furthermore Medea is a COMPLETE FOOL and seemed like she was going to toy with Rin. Then got falcon punched. And in the same vein that Saber couldn't fight back against Kuzuki after getting hit, Caster was launched into confusion and couldn't fight back until she regained her center.

[Anonymous No.]

For Urobuchi to write some cyberpunk thing with lots of fantasy wouldn't suprise me at all.

To be honest, I am somehow fairly sure that he have checked out Shadowrun at one point or the other, which is just that, Cyberpunk with fantasy and magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819211
> Machines don't get spiritual, they are by definition lacking souls.
Oh you speciest/racist. You need to stop listening to Penrose and Searle and become a functionalist/computationalist/structuralist.

so relevant captcha: Godel, ovisboa

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819211
>Machines don't get spiritual, they are by definition lacking souls.
Machines can be servants too

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819300

You realize souls are an actual "thing" in the Nasuverse right

Pic related, it's how Shiki's soul was depicted in Akasha in the Kara no Kyoukai movies

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819330
Now I wonder how a superintelligent AI from beyond our spacetime would handle the Holy Grail War.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819347
At what point does a human lose his soul during a gradual neuron-by-neuron replacement of his brain with identical machine neurons? (You can obviously replace the whole body before that)

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819330

Yeah, if the machine was used to operate the Counter Force.

Doesn't mean it has a soul.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819358

Probably whereupon the brain has reached sufficient damage to no longer contain the soul.

For example, Shirou's body in the finale of Heaven's Feel had sustained damage to the point that his soul was in the process of leaving his body when Illya used the Third Sorcery to pluck it out.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm sorry, Shirou. I'm afraid I can't do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819366
I see, but you function the same and have the same experiences, so you would be unable to figure out when your "soul" was going out, because it all felt the same.

Relevant reading: http://consc.net/papers/qualia.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819377

You may not feel it, but your soul is going on a one-way trip to the Void, and only the machine will be left.

Unless the Third Sorcerer is personally overseeing your cybernetic brain augmentation.

[Anonymous No.]

>mechanical augmentation

MONGRELS.

[Sudo !Tohsaka8ks No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>7819389
A bunch of pretentious old nerds playing at running /jp/. But /jp/ left them behind long ago. We are the future.

[Anonymous No.]

So /v/ really did take over /jp/ sadly..

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819403
You must be new here, go back to your toehue-shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819403
>Deus Ex
>not /jp/-related

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819211
>Machines don't get spiritual, they are by definition lacking souls.
Everything has a Buddha nature.

[Anonymous No.]

Doos ex really needed an AI controlled heroine who did missions with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819403
>/v/
More like /tg/, and that's nothing new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819275
>Shadowrun
Second edition I believe, or the third, or also possibly up until and including the third edition, was quite popular in Japan I believe.

And Gen is somewhat of a reverse weeaboo so that would make sense. I believe Shadowrun would be the most popular cyberpunk TRPG in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819275
>Shadowrun
Second edition I believe, or the third, or also possibly up until and including the third edition, was quite popular in Japan I believe.

And Gen is somewhat of a reverse weeaboo so that would make sense. I believe Shadowrun would be the most popular cyberpunk TRPG in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819275
>>7819656

>Shadowrun

oh god... I'd kill for a real new entry into its game series. the red vs blue cyberpunk recently I refuse to acknowledge.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>7819747

Isometric WRPG, classic Fallout style. Kitsune and Anders as hidden recruitable runners.
If so, there might still be hope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819769
dude. stop. my heart can't take all that wishing. if it happened. all of my money.

[Anonymous No.]

Deus Ex a shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>7820315
C'mon now, don't start with that.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>7820257

You awake in a Great Lakes area clinic after having been fished out by a bulk carrier tens of miles out to sea. You find yourself with near-total amnesia and a bottomless hole in your wallet, having had a good third of your brain refit with electronics to repair drowning damage.
Your inventory consists of:

-A raincoat with a bullet hole (entry and exit) through the left sleeve.
-A wallet, sans money, but including two haphazardly forged ID cards (neither of which has your picture) and a polaroid photo of a fox statue with a soldering iron in its mouth.
-A "Do Not Disturb" hanger from a Seattle motel, carefully folded and hidden in your sock. On the back are five ten-digit numbers with the top three crossed out.
-Two ballpoint pens of which one has a hidden compartment, however empty.
-A mostly intact VHS cassette with the overwrite protection tab and the empty spool removed.

The quest takes you from the collapsed Great Lakes arcology, through the Canadian wilderness, right into the heart of the dark underworld of the American Northwest.
To both apply to a wide audience and smooth out the flaws of the setting without alienating the existing fanbase, the game will be presented in a dreamlike, retro-80's cyberpunk fashion with intentional anachronisms.

Does it feel better or worse?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819253

In other words, Rin defeated a Servant simply by being better at fighting than her.

If she can do it, Jensen can do it better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821634

No, she defeated a Servant the same way Kuzuki defeated a Servant.

By being a tricky motherfucker fucking armor-plated in magic.

In other words you need magic.

[Anonymous No.]

JC can beat anyone.
Nanites > magic

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>7821634
It's impossible to damage Servants without magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821680

Sorry, no.

Magic wins.

True Magic, at least.

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>7821690
Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821695

There that bitch goes again, brandishing the toy that SHIROU MADE FOR HER like it's her own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821706
And attacked the little sister she neglected and left to rape as if it was nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821706

Even with Tracing Shirou is incapable of using the true power of the Gem Sword.

It felt like an empty Projection to him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821695
>Sorry, no.Magic wins.True Magic, at least.

Nigga u fool. Nanites allow you to do ANYTHING.
JC could change the reality using his forces, he was on the same level with Shiki Void or above.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7819158

I want to be dominated by Saber.

In a glorious battle

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821720

And without Shirou's tracing, there would not be the sword. Rin was utterly incapable of making it herself until Shirou showed how it's done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821703

Except, you know, magic is actually it's own "thing" in the Nasuverse.

We're not talking sparkles and unicorns here.

You need to have a weapon capable of spiritual interference, which requires Prana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821726

I assume you talk about the ending of DX where he merges with Helios. That was only on a planetwide scale though, and as it was science-based, it was inherently constrained with rules and laws of physics in a way magic never is.

And even though he could manipulate any physical matter, etc., I still don't believe that even Helios JC could do anything to a genuine SPIRITUAL BEING, which is what the Servants are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821746
>I assume you talk about the ending of DX where he merges with Helios. That was only on a planetwide scale though, and as it was science-based, it was inherently constrained with rules and laws of physics in a way magic never is.

I guess you know nothing about Quantum mechanics but that's fine because humanity itself is not familiar with that.

>And even though he could manipulate any physical matter, etc., I still don't believe that even Helios JC could do anything to a genuine SPIRITUAL BEING, which is what the Servants are.

Who cares, he's a demigod in IW, he's manipulating with things on sub-atomic level and it allows him to create / change / destroy or control everything on Earth.

Believe in power of science, son.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821775

Quantum mechanics is not a "any bullshit goes now" excuse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821609
same guy here, not bad for a intro. sounds like it'd fit right in the series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821828
QM can be "any bullshit" goes, but usually such worlds would have some 10^-10^^^^...^^^10 probability of existing (read: you're most likely never going to experience them). If you subscribe to MWI, they could very well exist, just be so damn rare that almost nobody would experience them.
>>7821746
Magic is just unexplained science. Magic works by rules, just like the laws of physics. In this case, in an universe with magic it means that "magic rules" are embedded in the laws of physics themselves. Magic in fantasy usually work as high-level rules, possible controlled by thought. In a mechanistic or mathematical multiverse, you would have to have pretty complex machinery to support that kind of magic, for example a deity (nothing more than distributed intelligence (wether general (human-level) or superintelligent) which generates/alters the states of the computational universe from within). The problem with such worlds (assuming a larger mathematical multiverse) is that they are improbable (given Occam's razor, or its uncomputable generalization known as Solomonoff induction or as the universal artificial intelligence known as AIXI) in the sense that experiencing them is very low probability (as in the first example). The only way to make it high probability is to make this deity indespensible to the existence of lifeforms and other intelligent agents within the universe (which most likely means they would realize very well that "magic" = laws of the universe = deity, and that would be a verifiable FACT in that world).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821887
Oops, second reference was meant to >>7821738, not >>7821746

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821887
Of course, there's a simpler way, which is to have a superintelligence administrate a "realistic" VR world, in which case you kind of throw physics out of the window, but then wouldn't such magical worlds be deceptive and hiding the truth from their inhabitants (assuming the usual fantasy settings), not to mention kind of cruel as such VR worlds could very well be Heavens without any suffering or problems in it (except those of their own creation, such as interpersonal relations).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821887
>QM can be "any bullshit" goes
I like how people always misunderstand the probabilistic interpretation of QM. Come back when you have at least a major in physics before talking about QM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821903
It depends on the interpretation. Of course there will be states which can NEVER be reached, but at the same time, there will be states which are infinitesimally improbable, but would have strange macro/classical effects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821909
I think you should read about quantum weak measurements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821887

>Magic is just unexplained science.

It's heavily explained in Type-Moon, friend.
And you simply cannot damage a Servant without a weapon that is in some way designed for spiritual interference, which requires magical energy known as Prana.

Energy, not particles.

Even if you can freely manipulate quantum foam for unlimited quantum fluctuations to create any particle you damn well please, you can't create prana. You can create a particle saturated in prana, if you knew what the fuck prana was (they don't), but it'd be formless and shapeless without a magic circuit (they lack).


Again, this is not "sparkles and unicorn" magic, Nasu explains the properties of magecraft quite well. "Magic" is not a generic term. And that is what you need to harm the spiritual body of a Servant. Nothing physical can suffice.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>7821867

Thank you.
But for now, until there is an actual game like it coming out, perhaps it is better not to entertain the fantasy anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821887
>Magic is just unexplained science. Magic works by rules, just like the laws of physics. In this case, in an universe with magic it means that "magic rules" are embedded in the laws of physics themselves.

Why exactly do you take it for granted that magic has to follow the laws of physics? Magic is what happens when you wrap the laws of physics into a ball, toss it in the trash and start following emotions or synchronistic patterns or some shit like that. It is a _replacement_ for physics, not a subcategory of physics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821940
Go and suck nasu's dick then.

[Anonymous No.]

Could any servant stand up to A Master Yi?

[Anonymous No.]

JC doesn't even need a class, he's a class on his own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821956
Magic is just a specific set of laws (be they fuzzy or very high-level). Laws of physics are typically low-level (simple) laws. A magical universe would have both. Enforcing high-level laws would usually mean overriding some low-level laws (for example by having some superintelligence edit matter directly). However, the system superintelligence+local_universe would be contained a larger structure which would be deterministic and lawful (for example, could be contained in an universal turing machine, despite the object itself being incredibly complex; or if you want, it may be some hypercomputational oracle mess).

The point that I'm making is that magic is just laws that are not fully understood (in our world we used to call anything we didn't understand that, in a fantasy/magical universe, it's just high-level laws which override low-level laws) and sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

>>7821940
> You can create a particle saturated in prana, if you knew what the fuck prana was (they don't), but it'd be formless and shapeless without a magic circuit (they lack)
Why can't they study this from how a mage works and does his stuff? Magic is native part of the nasuverse and thus they should be able to automate and manipulate it like anything else. You know, I was reading some strange fantasy/hard sf mix novel the other day, and I came upon an interesting idea: they have a magical universe, and in this universe, cognization of certain structures results in physical changes in the universe (pretty good idea of high-level rules), and a particular type of thought thought by a specific mind can kill a person it is directed at. What they did? Decided to wire up every camera in Great Britain with a neural network that thought that specific thought, so now they had a country-wide kill-on-sight network ready to defend them against Eldirtch horrors and other nasty stuff. That's how you engineer magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821887
can I post this over in /sci/? we're having a magic vs science thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822057
Sure, maybe I should go read that thread myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822057

Magic trumps science because magic doesn't have to follow any rules it doesn't feel like following.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822057
Don't do it anyway, it's bullshit. As a physicist it offends me how serious this guy is about what's he's saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822069
Is this about the QM part?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822041

>Why can't they study this from how a mage works and does his stuff?

Probably because there are no magi in the Deus Ex universe. And Helios and such do not exist in the Nasuverse. So we have to decide on the battleground, here.

>Magic is native part of the nasuverse and thus they should be able to automate and manipulate it like anything else

You can't "automate" magic. Reality itself is constantly trying to turn back magic.

You say magic is a native part, but that's depending on the definition of "native". The very nature of reality considers magecraft to be a disorder and tries to destroy it, with the effect of disruption rising depending on the level of interference.

>That's how you engineer magic.

Can't engineer it, here. Gaia would smash that system without massive levels of prana to maintain it, and the only things that can generate that massive levels are Sorcery (e.g. Holy Grail), which is out of the grasp of magi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822069
As a magical astronaut it offends me how you dare say such stupid things on the planet I return to in 3 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822072
> The very nature of reality considers magecraft to be a disorder and tries to destroy it, with the effect of disruption rising depending on the level of interference.
I've seen that idea explored in a hard sf novel before "Fine Structure". You should read it. Also, guess what? They still exploited everything they could even if they existed in such a hostile universe.
The idea is to do your best to find exploitable loopholes.

[Anonymous No.]

>saturday night
>no janitor around
That means our janitor is some kind of normalfag and he is probably now dancing at a party with his friends and picking up some hot babes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822079

Loopholes are actually how most magi operate in Type-Moon (in particular, Araya Souren who quintuple-backflips through every loophole he can find), with the exception of the Einsbern family who simply try to brute-force reality out of the equation with the might of the Holy Grail.

[Anonymous No.]

So prana = energy basically contained in our world which means you can control this energy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822127

Sort of.

Prana lets you do magic.

But the world doesn't like you doing magic, so you have to use more prana to stabilize it.

The more your magic interferes with what the world wants, the more prana required to stabilize.

For example, casting a Reality Marble seems to be a high-cost spell, but maintaining the Reality Marble, which is the highest of all world-interference (literally, interfering with reality it-fucking-self), it has wild costs every second it remains up.

Similarly, maintaining a Servant, something that is a spirit and should be dead, is extremely high cost but not as disruptive as a Reality Marble after the Servant is summoned.
But the initial act of bringing it into this world is a massive interference, so it costs an incredible amount (thankfully the Holy Grail casts it for you).

[Anonymous No.]

>delete Saten threads.
>leave this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822090
He hasn't gone anywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7824175

Good thing, I can't wait for more people to post hilarious /v/ images such as:

>>7819185
>>7819235
>>7819389
>>7819408
>>7821966
>>7822037

[Anonymous No.]

>>7824247
How will we ever manage with those images tainting the board? /jp/ is doomed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7824256

You're exactly right, /jp/ doesn't need competent, hard-working janitors.

Just look at /v/, they turned out all right.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>7824247

Deus Ex 1 > Fate/stay night