/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Crazy as fuck moe~
But really what the fuck have i been reading here....
The ending of Kokoros route with that fucking ocean really got me.. Im still doing Satorus route but is it also important to do all the bad ends? Is there a bad end walk through if so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7816156
>Im still doing Satorus route

The fuck are you doing posting on /jp/ then?

[Anonymous No.]

It doesn't matter because because either way you won't understand what the fuck happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7816156
Jokes on you.
There is no GOOD END.
Enjoy your infinite loop and kagome kagome.
There is a reason why it is called Age of Infinity.

[Anonymous No.]

The only bad end I remember being especially important was the one with Satoru in the white room near the end. You'll know it when you get there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7816161
>>7816164
I already know, it has something to do with self and, self killing his sister or some shit. before i started reading it i knew what i was in for, i put it off for so long because of the bad talk about it being left open as fuck, but i started to read it anyway because i was bored. Its actually better than ever 17 i would say, besides it being shorter and it being left open i guess, still got a bit to read still. Made this thread for discussion for after im done, gonna hide the thread now, talk about what ever you want.

[Anonymous No.]

You have to work for the fucking awesome bad ends, like Yomogi snapping Yuni's neck with his bear hands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7816179
Might want to check the discussion section on the TLwiki page when you're finished.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7816156
I want porn of her. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

There's a bad end walkthrough somewhere out there, most are useless but some are cool like

the one where Utsumi rips out MPD girl's heart

I think this story really needed a remake over E17. With extra routes and everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7816518
>>7816187
wow, now i wish i didn't uninstall this.

[Anonymous No.]

Why did he leave the game so open? Did the writer give a reason? did he ever say there will be a remake?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7817281
The psp remake added the infinity series timechart.
With that+the info from the game you should get what and how it happened, really.
I prefer that over spoonfeeding any day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7817321
would you*

[Anonymous No.]

>>7817310
Well maybe he might add a true good route or will that just ruin the story? would happen to have the time chart? would like to look at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7817321
Just be careful with the never7 spoilers.
http://tlwiki.tsukuru.info/index.php?title=InfinitySeries:Chronology

[Anonymous No.]

>>7817335
Thanks, ill look at it later then.

[Anonymous No.]

You know, i thought Satoru was going to be a bit more of a mr serious type or white knight , but actually hes a really funny interesting mc. Kid never disappoints me with their characters.

[Anonymous No.]

Satoru is actually the guy in the glasses.
Who we thought was Satoru was actually a temporal clone of Enomoto whose memories had been overwritten.

The third personalities in the transfers were in fact Kali's unborn children from the year between the crash and SPHIA.

Hotori is dead. Her consciousness is still free floating until the transfers stop though. The real Hotori was the silent one. Keiko was savvy to the fact that no one at SHPIA really knew her so she playacted Hotori. Everyone assumed that Hotori was just a benign personality. 'Satoru' incorrectly assumed that the real Hotori had become the dominant personality.

The purpose of his whole experiment was to save Lin, who would have died on the mountain. Just fucking with ya. The real point was to confirm that the system actually works and determine how to detach the minds of the subjects from their bodies. So that Satoru could save his sister, Sayaka, who died long ago.

But the real secret is that the project already succeeded. Sayaka's personality was swapped with the mind of Inubushi Keiko and isolated in SHPIA after she went on a killing spree looking for her own body. Sayaka's mind completely broke. Although she was insane (DID) in the first place.

This is why she never once acknowledges herself as 'Keiko', and when she sees the chance to adopt a new identity (Hotori), she does so.

I don't know why she never reacted to Satoru's name. But since 'Satoru' looks nothing like the real Satoru, she probably just wrote it off as coincidence or just her own insanity. Maybe she even decided her old life was a dream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7817394
Thank you for using spoilers at least, ill look at it when im done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7817417
Take what I said with a moderate grain of salt, as some of it is just my own supposition.

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck am i reading, all these terms and crazy nazi science is making me go crazy. It came out of nowhere, how does the writer even think up this shit, he must be high 24 7, i mean i like stuff like this but holy shit, it being thrown at me all at once,out of nowhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7820072
Yeah the writer invented quantum physics as well as that particular example involving Alice and Bob.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7820089
Well i guess i wouldn't know, never really went into quantum physics myself. Im sure he at least came up with the space transfer shit at least, unless im wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7820102
You'd have to refresh my memory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7820127
All the stuff about being able to switch a 110 radius of space around and through time.

[Mirrored No.]

>>7820102
The dude makes stuff up all the time.

Read 9 doors 9 people 9 hours. It's full of interesting but really fake background pseudoscience.

However, I really enjoyed the twist. It was smart and well executed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7820135
From what I recall that was based on bastardized quantum physics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7820215
Some fake, some misinterpreted, a little bit genuine.

Doing a little research and finding out what is bullshit and what isn't is part of the fun though.

The glycerin story, for example, is sort of true. But not exactly? The backstory is true enough, previous to the accidental discovery of glycerin crystals it had proven impossible to crystallize. But it seems likely that the sudden spread of glycerin crystals was more likely due to scientists reverse engineering the process by which the original crystals were made rather than some mysterious restructuring of all the worlds glycerin.

The Titanic did indeed have a sister ship (two in fact) but it was called the Brittanic, not the Gigantic. It was pressed into service as a hospital ship, struck a mine and sank instead of being beached.

The coffin and mummy of the priestess of Amun-Ra is still on display in the British Museum, and is decidedly not frozen.

'Futility' was edited and republished after the sinking of the Titanic to make the details of the disaster more closely match (though to be fair Morgan Robertson did indeed write a book in which a giant ship named the Titan struck an iceburg and sunk).

Sheldrake and his experiments are real enough, though the legitimacy of the results is doubtful.

Ice-9 exists but it isn't anything like how it was described in the game.

I don't recall the name of the author who supposedly died on the Titanic after having written stories about large ships sinking after collisions and with insufficient lifeboats (though neither of these were uncommon occurrences).

That industrial solvent which spontaneously became a hydrate was invented from whole cloth, as far as I can tell.

[Anonymous No.]

Other than tlwiki discussion page you might also want to check this out http://forums.upnetwork.net/showthread.php?t=2472

[Anonymous No.]

To those of you who have 100% completion;

Do the additional bad ends have any interesting reveals in them or just amazing "everyone dies lol kthxbye" ends? I only played through it once and got quite many of Kokoro's bad ends, few Yukidoh's bad ends (the YUKIDOH plan failed/Apostosis[/ending] being one of them).

[Mirrored No.]

>>7820941
I think that the best order to do them in is probably:

Axe,
Knife,
Sub, (can be skipped)
Safe
True.

I don't think they would add anything new if you've already cleared the game. The point of them is to make the emotional impact of the finale stronger.

I'd really just look at the endings. Just check youtube for the Axe Ending. The knife ending is useless to watch after.

The reason to read those 3 endings is if you want to solve some of the mysteries on your own. They also help guide you to the right path for the final ending.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7820941
The final TIPS don't open up until you reach 100% as far as I recall. And there is some interesting stuff in those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7820215
Copypasting from an earlier post:

Dammit, stop it with this misinformation, I've heard this so many times I'm getting sick of it.
The director and main writer of the infinity series (including Ever17) is Takumi Nakazawa, and he didn't have anything to do with 999. Takumi Nakazawa is a nitpicker for tiny details, and makes sure to have a complete rational explanation for every single plot element (the only exception I know of being Remember11's time travel...fuck you with your 'I just shift this axis', that doesn't explain shit. I know you didn't have the time to write that part properly before the deadline, but it still felt awkward as hell after the completely reasonable explanation of quantum teleportation.

999 is written and directed by Uchikoshi, one of the other writers for the infinity series. He stole lots of shit from Ever17 and Killer Queen, and although he made a nice story with the elements he stole, the entirety was way more predictable and much less thought out than Ever17. It's an amusing story, but it's full of holes.

Takumi Nakazawa does his research, and all of the science in his works is correct with what was known at the moment he wrote it, only adding fictional stuff where science doesn't contradict it (which is probably the reason for the disappointment I spoilered above, he was probably unable to make it work with science in a believable way and still make his deadlines). Uchikoshi, on the other hand, pulls all kind of pseudo-science and bullshit misconceptions and passes it off as science.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7816156
Yes. It is necessary to read most bad ends after finishing the game to understand more about the game. Especially notable are Satoru's Plan Failed end and Kokoro's Reset End. 100% completion also unlocks the vital final TIPs, but those can be read on TLWiki as well.

>>7816371
Same. There's like, no Remember11 fan art out there at all.

>>7817321
Yes, spoonfeeding you the answers like Ever17 did would ruin Remember11. What I most liked about Remember11 was how it kept you thinking even long after finishing the game.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3537439&postcount=221 has only the Remember11 part of the infinity timeline, so there's no Never7 or Ever17 spoilers. Recommended after finishing the game, reading all of the important TIPs and reading the TLWiki spoiler page.

>>7820072
>>7820102
>>7820135
The science behind it is correct. It's practically impossible to do it, though, but a hundred years ago it was also practically impossible to calculate 5 trillion digits of pi. The only thing that's total bullshit about is is that it's happening in 2011.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7817394
Temporal clone? What are you talking about? There's nothing clone-ish about it, his body is just the body of Enomoto in 2012.

As for who he is, according to my theory ( http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3537626&postcount=225 ) he is a completely new person, an empty consciousness that entered Enomoto's body.

You are aware that it's been 2 years since Keiko's killing spree at SPHIA, right? If it was just 'the chance to adapt a new identity', she would've done it much sooner. Shortly after her arrest, she was fucking around with people by pretending to be different people (netting her the DID diagnosis - in Satoru route she switches her 'personalities' around consciously and on purpose, so I don't buy it), so I don't think that can be the issue. I think Keiko is still the same Keiko she always was, just during the SPHIA killing spree she was affected by Self to do those gruesome things (again, read the theory I linked - Self affects other people during the story, with similar results).

[Anonymous No.]

Hey, /jp/, which do you prefer?
Hey, which one?
To stab, or to be stabbed?
Which do you prefer?
I...
I definitely...BADLY TIMED TRANSFER

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821418
By Temporal Clone, I mean just that: Lets say you travel back in time a day. The 'you' from the day before is still there, as is the 'you' from the day you departed from. A copy of a person stemming from time travel.

And, she certainly has spent quite a bit of time at SHPIA, but at the time the game begins, all of the SPHIA staff is either missing, hiding, or amnesiac. Yuni doesn't know who Keiko is, 'Satoru' doesn't remember (though he does remember Lin), Kali, who also just arrived, is playing dumb, and Enomoto is hiding in his room in the basement.

Then, by chance, Keiko does her first personality transfer (at least, the first in this time frame according to my theory), and when she comes back, everyone is calling her 'Hotori'. She goes with the flow, and accepts this name as it seems that as long as they think she is 'Hotori', the other people at SPHIA will trust her.

Her general lack of confusion about the situation, even teasing Satoru about it by implying she had also experienced the same thing, gives me the impression that this isn't the first time it's happened to her...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821418
Oops, forgot to spoiler it.

By Temporal Clone, I mean just that: Lets say you travel back in time a day. The 'you' from the day before is still there, as is the 'you' from the day you departed from. A copy of a person stemming from time travel.

And, she certainly has spent quite a bit of time at SHPIA, but at the time the game begins, all of the SPHIA staff is either missing, hiding, or amnesiac. Yuni doesn't know who Keiko is, 'Satoru' doesn't remember (though he does remember Lin), Kali, who also just arrived, is playing dumb, and Enomoto is hiding in his room in the basement.

Then, by chance, Keiko does her first personality transfer (at least, the first in this time frame according to my theory), and when she comes back, everyone is calling her 'Hotori'. She goes with the flow, and accepts this name as it seems that as long as they think she is 'Hotori', the other people at SPHIA will trust her.

Her general lack of confusion about the situation, even teasing Satoru about it by implying she had also experienced the same thing, gives me the impression that this isn't the first time it's happened to her...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821460
The ill-timed transfers were frustrating. Amusingly frustrating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821418
>>7817394
The real Satoru's plan wasn't to save his sister but to attack the 4th dimensional being within Keiko. There is a reason he kept talking about "building a spear" to attack the untouchable King.
His plan was to create a timeloop, the only way to affect a being that exist out of time I guess. That's why Keiko was in SPHIA, if you think about it there is no reason for her to be her while all the other patients and doctors left. Satoru left her there because she is at the center of the plan.

What happened though was that a second 4th dimensional being was summoned, the one we play as in the game, this one first possessed the real Satoru. In the prologue the one climbing the tower is the real Satoru, what happened immediately after that was that Enomoto, the blond, tried to push Satoru out of the tower, they fought and Enomoto was the one who fell.

But in the confusion the 4th dimensional being slipped in Enomoto. Satoru during his climbing of the tower mentioned his name and other things like his distaste of watches, that's why the fake Satoru only remembered these.

Satoru/Kokoro and Keiko/Hotori being possessed by these 4th dimensional beings is why they are fixed in their timeline, these kind of things just don't affect them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821486
Found this comment in a Remember11 script file:
>転移が発生したのはこれで何度目になるだろう……？%K%P
>How many transfers does this make...?
>
>いつもタイミングを見計らうかのように、それは大事な場面で起こった
。%K%P
>They always seemed to occur whenever something important was going on, as if their timing had been chosen deliberately.
>//TELL US ABOUT IT! Remember 11 would be, like several hours shorter otherwise - Sheeta

>>7821469
She just goes with the flow regardless of the situation. There was no special reason for it here.

If New Satoru is a temporal clone, when did Satoru travel back in time? By the end of Remember11, they're in 2012. And if he's a temporal clone, where is the current Satoru right now?

[Anonymous No.]

So in the end what happened to Sayaka's body?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821497
Self is confirmed to be a 0-dimensional being in TIP 88.

Also, you fail at Bible quotes. Saul, the one throwing the spear, was the king. David, the victim, was performing music for Saul, and Saul threw a spear at him out of jealousy because God told him he was a shitty king and selected David as the next king, and David performed much better on the battlefield than him. Saul was never 'building a spear' and David didn't become untouchable until Saul actively tried to kill him later.

The quote used in Remember11:
>And David played with his hand, as at other times...
>And there was a javelin in Saul's hand...
>And Saul cast the javelin; for he said...
>I will smite David even to the wall with it...
><i>I</i> will smite David...
>Even if he avoided it twice...

Original text:
>Now it came about on the next day that an evil spirit from God came mightily upon Saul, and he raved in the midst of the house, while David was playing the harp with his hand, as usual; and a spear was in Saul’s hand. Saul hurled the spear for he thought, “I will pin David to the wall.” But David escaped from his presence twice.
(1 Samuel 18:10-11)

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821497
2012 Enomoto's consciousness is in 2012 Satoru's body, as confirmed by the guy himself. Therefore the person in Satoru's body on the clock tower was Enomoto, not Satoru. It was definitely Satoru that fell there.

Satoru never mentioned Lin, yet New Satoru remembers her.

Your logic is full of holes.

>>7821559
Died in 2001. As for her consciousness, it was neither confirmed dead or alive. Personally, I think she's alive in Self.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821595
I believe only her 'existence' died, as in, got replaced completely by her other personality, since she did have DID

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821595
>>7821564
It's been a long time since I read it so sorry about the 0/4 mistake
But I definitely think my theory has less holes than yours
The true Satoru was definitely the one climbing the tower. Look at his speech pattern, Enomoto didn't speak like this at all. Also there is no transfer of consciousness between Satoru and Enomoto, it's just the BW like existence who think he is Satoru when he is actually in Enomoto's body. BW is prone to that kind of mistake, see Ever17
And everything Satoru did was definitely to attack someone, there is absolutely no hint whatsoever that he tried to save his sister or that she had anything to do with Keiko or what happened there. The fact that Keiko is fixed in the same way as fake Satoru/Kokoro is proof that there is a BW being within her anyways.

And for the memories of Lin, Lin spoke about her past with Kokoro before that scene, what fake Satoru remembered is the exact same scene that Lin mentioned. Once again Ever17 showed that BW is prone to this kind of things

[Anonymous No.]

(...continued from previous post)

Unknown date
Jumping at the opportunity of the Awazumi incident, Satoru builds confidence in his own thinking.
Borrowing Inubushi's words, he christens the "Transcendental Will (Or rather, intelligence)" as "Self."
Can such a being really exist?
Was this evidence of its existence, or was this an illusion created from his desire for it to exist?
Soon, Satoru devises a plan.
A plan to lure "Self" to this world,
-The "YUKIDOH Plan."
-Infinity Timeline

Blick Winkel has nothing to do with it. He's an Ever17-only character.

Your arguments are seriously full of holes. If you want to discuss the more complicated bits of Remember11, I suggest you read up a bit on the main plot points. It's hard to discuss the complicated points with someone who doesn't even know the confirmed details of Self (not exactly a minor detail, since the whole game revolves around it).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821647
Unknown date
Satoru and Enomoto perform a small scale (short distance, short time) time-space transfer, and exchange bodies.
Hence, Satoru's body shelters Enomoto's consciousness,
and Enomoto's body shelters Satoru's consciousness.
-Infinity Timeline

Unknown date
Satoru completes his time-space transfer equipment based on the information in the terabyte disk,
and makes major amendments to his "Plan:"
The test site is not Australia, but three points in Japan (Akakura, Aosagi, Hotarubi).
The goal is not data acquisition, but the rescue of Mayuzumi and the other victims of Flight 18's crash.
And...
To seize "Self" in this time-space plane, and confine it.
-Infinity Timeline

Yukidoh Sayaka is Satoru's beloved sister.
A person who is no longer in this world,
she only appears in a flashback....
Her death is the reason Satoru ends up designing
and executing the current "project."
-TIP 110

2006
Unknown date
Satoru, after many years of investigation, becomes acquainted with the existence of a "Transcendental Will (Or rather, intelligence)" that gives a subjugation-like influence over the minds and wills of humans.
Although he would hesitate to call it a theory, but instead, more occult-like, Satoru considers it to be the true culprit behind Sayaka's "murder."
Satoru immerses himself in obsessive study.
-Infinity Timeline

(continued...)

[Anonymous No.]

This thread made me read this VN. Now I've finished it and it's still up.

And I am mad. Unfulfilled. Yes I am so mad. I want more crazy bitches. Is Sayaka related to Keiko ? Did they finally revive Sayaka ? Was Keiko just originally crazy ? Or was she influenced by some transcendental will ? Or was she actually something that resulted from the project ?

Doesn't feel like the player has saved either Keiko or the little sister. Leaving it open to the readers ? More like writing half a book and letting people guess the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821958
Just keep looking for bad ends.
they are fun to find
>Doesn't feel like the player has saved either Keiko or the little sister.
because it wasn't then intention to begin with

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821978
more like deadlines = incomplete vn. And incomplete vn + forgetfulness = forever incomplete vn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821958
Just drop it, it's a seriously pretty bad game and most bad ends are really shitty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821958
You are mad because you are an idiot. WHAT BUT I JUST RUSHED THROUGH THIS VN WHY DON'T I AUTOMATICALLY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YET?! I bet you even had to look up who 'Alpha' was after finishing the game. Sorry, but this game just isn't for people like you. Use the existing resources, especially the TLWiki spoiler page to fill you in on most of the things if you really want to know.

>>7821990
If that were the case, how come we did get the Infinity Timeline afterwards? Takumi Nakazawa could have just revealed everything in the PSP port. The game not spoonfeeding you the answers and the plot leaving players who don't think about it clueless are intentional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822053
You talk like it's a deep story or something.
It's not, it's just like a puzzle with most of the pieces missing. You could see the whole picture if you look really hard but there is no fun in this.
And the game itself, its execution, is pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822062
Except the game gives you the pieces, just doesn't give you the full picture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822062
Like I said, this just isn't a game for you. You might only like puzzles where each part of the picture has a piece, but there are some who like the challenge of puzzling out where each piece belongs if the pieces together don't spell out the full picture. It's much more difficult, but even so in the end you will be able to see the bigger picture, as you can logically deduce what the missing pieces look like once you figure the rest out.

By the way, most of the pieces are included, only a few, very vital ones, are missing, so the rest of the puzzle is so confusing it seems like it's missing most of the pieces.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822062
I'll show your ass a deep story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822083
It doesn't give you all the pieces, that's why all you can do is far-fetched suppositions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822115
I'll give your ass all the pieces.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7821958
Op here,How the fuck did you read it so fast? Im still reading it.. Also i know that the game was gonna be left open so im not really disappointed, i do feel like it was written better than ever 17 and i also like how you didn't have to reread anything in the second route but the beginning. I like all of the characters, lin and Utsumi are my waifus. The only thing i would say is that it needs a bit more character interaction, its there but it could have a lot more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822624
Also how does kid think of this vn? do they like it as much as ever 17 enough to remake it? What about the japanese, what did they think of it? I always wondered, is Kid and the Infinity series really popular?

[Anonymous No.]

I already finished this, raged at Satoru's "good" ending and
then this thread filled my brain with fuck again
btw
Is there anything else with this boy-girl bodyswap situation?

[Anonymous No.]

How are 12Riven and Never7, compared to R11 & Ever17 for example?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822640
KID is dead. Ever17 isn't being remade because KID is proud of it, Ever17 is being remade because Cyberfront, the company currently holding the infinity license, knows it can make money off of a remake even if the original writers aren't working on it. It's the same reason why they're making Code18, a fourth game in the infinity series that looks nothing like an infinity game.

As for popularity in Japan, Ever17 is considered a top-tier game there, and Never7 and Remember11 are considered decent-good games, but no classics. KID does have its share of fans due to the infinity series and Memories Off series, but again, it's not a hugely popular company like Key, Nitro+ or Type-Moon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822778
From what I heard, Never7 is good but as different from the other two as Remember11 is different from Ever17. It has the usual sci-fi mindfuck, but in a different way again.

12Riven was written after Takumi Nakazawa left KID, and it shows. It's directed by some random non-notable dude and written by Uchikoshi (known for 999). From what I heard it's considered a decent game, but disappointing if you expected an infinity-like game.

For infinity-like games after Remember11, you'll need to look at Takumi Nakazawa's new company Regista, and more specifically I/O and their upcoming game Root Double, both sci-fi mysteries directed by Takumi Nakazawa. I/O is written by Takumi Nakazawa and Romeo Tanaka (Cross Channel, Family Project), Root Double is being written by a new writer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822803
> I/O is written by Takumi Nakazawa and Romeo Tanaka
Holy shit, this games must be the biggest mind fuck ever made then. Do the two like each other? Also what did Takumi Nakazawa' say about R11, did the Japanese fans have the same complaints as this thread? what was he thinking when he made is so left open? i mean he could of at least added more routes or one last route combining the two main characters. Im bot done yet, but im sure im gonna have a shitload of questions for the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822789
Wait so how did the writer lose his whole series rights? Will he never be able to finish his series now? thats sad.. I mean aren't the fans mad that the writer cant finish his own work? Im sure he had many games planned.. did he ever say is he will be able to get the infinity license back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822837
Non-doujin writers do not own licenses, the companies they write for do. KID went bankrupt, so Cyberfront got KID's licenses.

>>7822825
I don't know. Why don't you ask him? His twitter is at http://twitter.com/#!/nakazawatakumi and his blog is at http://blog.livedoor.jp/ta5d/ . I'm not sure if he replies to tweets, but I do know he responds to blog comments. I don't speak any Japanese, though, so I've never asked him anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822789
Don't lump Code_18 and Ever17's remake together. The Ever17 remake is by 5pb, using Cyberfront for the license.

Ever17's remake does have the same producer, character designer/artist, and composer as the original.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is she so fucking hot? Why aren't there any H-scenes in this vn.. the artist is really good.. Is he a popular artist? Are there any Utsumi dojins?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7823366
>Are there any Utsumi dojins?
Are there any Remember11 doujins at all?

>Why aren't there any H-scenes in this vn..
Because KID and because it was originally released on the PS2, and Sony doesn't allow porn on its console.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7823501
Was no H seances the reason why kid died? why did they first put their vns on consoles? Also root double is also on consoles... why do they do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7823555
scenes*

[Anonymous No.]

bump because its actually /jp/ related, still playing but do they at least explain who enomoto was and why he tired to kill you out of nowhere? Also.. somethings weird, dont spoil it but.. why was there no scene with you killing enomoto ? In the first route it looked like hitori killed him.., but... Also there was no scene with Kokoro taking the drug.. in her route she woke up already poisoned and was numb. unless im missing something. Please use spoilers to answer if you want to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7822053
Late in replying but
>WHY DON'T I AUTOMATICALLY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YET
Why don't YOU ANSWER what I asked ?

Yes, answer my damn questions. Why hasn't anyone ?

Let me tell you the answer : there is no answer. No, I'm not asking shit like Satoru's true face. I asked what I asked because there are no answers to them.

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>>7822825
Romeo Tanaka did not write any of the actual text in I/O. He just helped come up with the game's plot, but that's it, as he spent most of I/O's development time writing Yume Miru Kusuri instead.

Japanese fan reactions to Remember11 were pretty much exactly the same as our own. Nakazawa didn't finish R11 initially for a variety of reasons. One being that he ran out of time and money, two being that he wasn't fully happy with the way it was going. In the end, however, he moved on from the Infinity series: he formed Regista right after the release of Remember11, and then he directed I/O (there were five writers for the game, but he wrote the main plot and the text for the final route.)

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>>7823860
>writing Yume Miru Kusuri instead.
He didn't write YMK

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>>7823860
Wait.. So he gave up on the Infinity series? There will never be another game to answer all the questions in the Infinity universe, like the fourth dimension beings and among other things? I thought he would tie it all together later on in the last Infinity vn.. Is the next vn hes writing gonna be part of the true universe?

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So is never 7 not as left open as remember 11? Dose it feel.. more finished and dose it have more romance/character interaction like ever 17? Remember 11 is good and all but there really is no romance as far as im reading, i was wishing for something with lin,but as far as ive read shes not really important to the plot.

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>>7823920
I believe that I/O is unofficially part of the Infinity series.

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>>7824088
Never7 is by far the most romantic game in the series, as it's more of a traditional VN that focuses around heroines and their routes.

As for the ending, it's mostly conclusive. There's a few plot points left open, but that ties in with the game's theme of choosing what to believe in (though Ever17 answers that plot point anyway, so it's kinda pointless).

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>>7824088
Never7 is by far the most romantic game in the series, as it's more of a traditional VN that focuses around heroines and their routes.

As for the rending, it's mostly conclusive. There's a few plot points left open, but that ties in with the game's theme of choosing what to believe in (though Ever17 answers that plot point anyway, so it's kinda pointless).

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>>7824136
Are there characters from ever 17 in never 7? Dose it only have to do with the cure virus or is their a fourth dimension being? also why does the girl on the never 7 cover look like Kokoro?

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>>7824161
There are two characters who were mentioned in E17 that are also mentioned in N7 (Shigezo Morino and Julia).

And yes, N7 explains the origins of the Cure Virus.

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>>7824161
As for the girl on the cover, it's just a coincidence that she kinda looks like Kokoro.

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>>7824258
Oh alright, i thought there was gonna be some huge thing going on with that.
>>7824237
Its been a while, who is Shigezo Morino and Julia again? Also dose I/O have anything to do with the cure virus/fourth dimensions?

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>>7824296
Shigezo Morino is the [e17 spoilers]clone doctor You-haru went to.
I think that's him appearing at the end of You's route.

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>>7824296
Julia is [e17 spoilers]the person from whom Tsugumi got Cure from. Still don't know what Tsugumi was doing in America, or what happened to her parents.

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There's also a few Drama CDs on Remember11 out there. Apparently, they don't answer too many mysteries, but one of them apparently clarifies one thing that the player doesn't actually see in-game (what that is, however, I don't know).

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>>7826589
Are they translated? Any links to them?

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>>7826629
There's 11 tracks of them, but only two are translated so far. You can find them on Youtube.

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>>7821647
>>7821862
>>7821866
Holy shit, op here finally finished the two good ends and... i have no words.. that ending was pretty weird and at the same time felt unfinished like there should of been one last route to warp it up. I mean most of the info on self is from outside sources, not once is it brought up in both routes.. One question that hasn't been brought up.. what did lin and Hotori talk about on the beach? Also why didn't Satoru (or Enomoto i guess..) go straight too Hotori holding the baby? also why did yuni know the kagome song on the plane where did he come from? Also why were the fourth dimensional beings considered evil? who was actually at the hospital as a kid with the sister?

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This game was a mind fuck and now that i finished it, even though i know what i was getting into with it being left unfinished, it feels like it just is not worth the brain hurt and obsessing over it just because of how badly it ending with lin trolling you into oblivion. good job lin, your the best troll ive ever seen. The only thing i REALLY dont get is the random fucking mine with a white room and black sphere thing. what the fuck was that about. Also the part that really made me get the shivers was the part when you see Keiko doing crazy shit in the room during when you were in the bath. Also who is the third person that is transferring and the one who did all the crazy shit,self?

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>>7829695
Alpha's identity should be obvious, but the Infinity Chronology states it outright.

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>>7829706
What was the shit about the two babies? Im reading the spoilers and it seems the "Red room" had something to do with it.

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>>7829695
The third personalities were Utsumi's unborn babies (in her fetus). The transfers go like:
Satoru>Baby #1>Kokoro and
Keiko>Baby #2>Hotori

Read:
http://tlwiki.tsukuru.info/index.php?title=R11:TIP_096.txt
for more info

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>>7829726
So why were the babies so fucking crazy/evil then?

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>>7829737
never mind, just read the tip.
>>7829726
So why the fuck were they the third personalities, why would that be in the plan?

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Did anyone figure out Enomoto's motives? About why did he betray Satoru? He seems to be the one swinging the knife around (as proved in the white room ending; same knife). He also tried to push Satoru off the tower (instead it was he who fell).

Most of the time he seems to just observe SPHIA denizens but on one occasion he tries to lock Satoru (Kokoro's chapter) out of the building and make him freeze to death and I'd figure he is also responsible for all the *knifedkthxbye* bad ends.

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>>7829746
Yeah,I was just gonna ask that, I also totally forgot about the locking out part....

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When I played R11 first time and I saw the ending I though "oh I fucked up" and spent five additional hours looking for a good end. Then and just then I googled and proceeded to send a very well placed FUCK YOU in the writer's general direction.

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Its really sad he ran out of money/time, he most likely was going to make one last route to finish it but couldn't, its obvious the way it ended that he was going to then finish it in one last loop.

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So what was the fucking point of the kagome kagome song? I just read in the spoilers that it had something to do with seeing self.

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I'm wondering how Root Double will connect to R11, since the description http://vndb.org/v5000 hints it might have some kind of continuity.

>Why is one that cannot exist --- "that guy" --- here?

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You guys are fucking retarded.

>>7829667
There are no fourth dimensional beings in this game. None of them. Nowhere in the game, the TIPs or the Infinity Timeline are fourth-dimensional beings mentioned anywhere. They are not in the game. Blick Winkel is an Ever17-only thing.

It is very strongly implied in TIP 110 that the guy in the prologue in the hospital is Satoru and the girl is Sayaka.

>>7829695
The white room is the middle point for the transfers, the place where Satoru and Enomoto did their experiments in July 2011. Alpha and Keiko's third personality are Utsumi's unborn twins. They aren't evil, they are just completely oblivious. They don't know it's a bad thing to eat all of the food in a disaster situation, or to smash the knife into the ground (where a person happens to be lying) repeatedly.

>>7829746
It is unconfirmed and very unlikely that Enomoto was the one who pushed Satoru off the tower. Furthermore, the person going around stabbing random people in the darkness is Utsumi, who is trying to kill Keiko, not Enomoto.

>>7829667
Kagome kagome is a well-known song among children, not something Remember11-exclusive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagome_Kagome

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>>7830175
>It is unconfirmed and very unlikely that Enomoto was the one who pushed Satoru off the tower. Furthermore, the person going around stabbing random people in the darkness is Utsumi, who is trying to kill Keiko, not Enomoto.

How is it unlikely? Enomoto was the only one apart from Satoru who had access to the tower. And why would Utsumi try killing Satoru? She only shows any hostility when he gets in the way of Keiko's killing or when Kokoro mentions Asakura's incident.

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>>7830196
Because it's dark and she'll respond viciously to any suspicious movement thinking it's Keiko?

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>>7830275
I'd say at the very least she could tell who it is when Satoru is locked out and, if you climb in without taking the long way, he is stabbed in a perfectly lit bathroom.

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>>7830175
you have no idea what your talking about, go read the spoilers on http://tlwiki.tsukuru.info/index.php?title=Talk:Remember11_-_the_age_of_infinity/Spoilers
Yes there is a fourth dimensional being, self, he is a 0 dimensional being though, hes different from BW.

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>>7830732
>Yes there is a fourth dimensional being, self, he is a 0 dimensional being though, hes different from BW.
Read your own sentence again. Surely you must realize what's wrong with it?

Hint: A four-dimensional being that's 0-dimensional being is not a four-dimensional being but a 0-dimensional being.

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>>7830890
I know, i was just saying instead of a fourth dimensional being like BW in ever 17, its a 0 dimensional being in R11.

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Hey /jp/
I've read a couple VN before and was wondering what you guys recommended

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Was there any new routes or lines added in the psp remake?

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>>7831043
See picture. Use http://vndb.org for further information, including which games are translated, whether they're any good and where you can get the patches.

>>7831164
No. Only the Infinity Timeline.

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>>7831043
Enzai
Lucky Dog
Absolute Obedience

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>>7831182
But Lucky dog is good.