Is there a Christian Touhou? No, not Yumemi

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Anonymous Mon Aug 15 21:13:38 2011 No.7748467 [Reply] [Original]

Is there a Christian Touhou?

No, not Yumemi

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 21:15:06 2011 No.7748476 http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Nameless_Christian_Paradise_Girl#Nameless_Christian_Paradise_Girl

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 21:19:37 2011 No.7748488 File: 101 KB, 193x206, Reimu Tells you to Chill Bitch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7748476 Oh my, in OP's face.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 21:36:08 2011 No.7748563 We already have buddists vs thaoists. I don't see why not add christians vs muslims too. Just think about it: Armor moe crusader girl vs whatever the equivalent muslims have.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 21:40:10 2011 No.7748578 >>7748563 Suicide bomber girl?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 21:40:42 2011 No.7748575 >>7748563 >christians >in East Asia Korea sucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 21:41:42 2011 No.7748580 >>7748575 There were Christians in Japan. Then they all died.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 21:43:11 2011 No.7748592 File: 1.11 MB, 934x730, 965cd98b8f8ee6fdd38074152e2e8b2e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7748563 Armor can't beat an IED or an old man made of clouds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 21:46:09 2011 No.7748604 File: 25 KB, 100x120, MokouFox.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7748578 She can do that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 22:00:38 2011 No.7748658 >>7748575 You suck.ᅌᄉᅌᄤ

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 22:06:38 2011 No.7748689
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>>7748575
When Portugal and other countries started to commerce with Japan, they also brought missionaries. During the short while they were there, they managed to convert a very largegroup of peasants. However, the shoguns of the time saw this as a serious threat to their power, since some particularly fierce peasant revolts were also ones with japanese christian. Of course, shoguns would have none of that and kicked and/or killed all the missionaries and forbade christianity, along with any outsider. However, some underground groups survived and thrived.

And thus Japan managed to stay in the Feudal era for a while longer.

Silly people. Everybody knows that if you want to weaken a religion you tolerate it. If you want to make it stronger you make martyrs out of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 22:09:09 2011 No.7748701 File: 186 KB, 596x800, d_Arc_ingres.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7748592 The armor and weapons are magical/holy. And the Touhou in question has a lot of charisma. What now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 22:12:37 2011 No.7748716 File: 354 KB, 1200x900, 1287361025560.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7748701 The IED is built from the remnants of the holy hand grenade.

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 22:21:15 2011 No.7748756
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>>7748716
Holy damage is either absorbed as HP, diminished or nullified by holy gear. Have RPGs thaught nothing to you?

Then again, Byakuren and her flunkies are all unholy beasts under the guise of holiness. Byakuren herself is a black magic practitioner. I doubt they can handle those weapons without receiving damage themselves.

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 22:35:46 2011 No.7748804
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>>7748756
The point is it would be able to harm the holy armor wearer as it is an artifact of equal value, like the nail from the lance of Longinus. Haven't you read the Hellsing manga?

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 22:40:16 2011 No.7748821
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>>7748756
Nice touch using Kanako's picture as if she was any better than Byakuren. Starting up a war for her own survival seems more despicable than what Byakuren did. Seeing as how her mountain is full of nothing but hungry yokai, she is bound to disappear due to lack of faith. She wont be missed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 22:53:37 2011 No.7748859 >>7748821 She's getting faith from the youkai, and some from the human village. She's fine.

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 22:53:37 2011 No.7748862
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>>7748821
Lady Kanako did not start a war, heathen.　She merely gave a 2 week warning to submit the all but abandoned shrine for some unknown deity that has not deigned to make itself apparent to a shrine maiden who did not care about the faith of her own God/Goddess. It was merely absorption into her own faith.

Meanwhile, Byakuren consorted with dark powers to retain her youth and avoid death, even going as far as betraying her own race. She was sent to Makai for a reason, not merely because Shinki-sama is a lovely lady.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 22:56:26 2011 No.7748870 >>7748862 Trying to end the endless youkai/human conflict doesn't sound like a betrayal to me.

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:03:58 2011 No.7748888
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>>7748870
Dooming all of her companions to death by drowning in order to save a single malevolent ghost that would be of use to her sounds like betrayal to me.

Remember: She is no longer a human being. She is a monster.

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:07:55 2011 No.7748900

>>7748888
You know, all that "SHE'S A DARK EVIL MONSTER GRRRR" stuff if just helping her argument more than anything else. It's certainly not convincing anyone.

Got nothing to say about the drowning thing, though. Is that actually canon? It seems grossly out of character considering...well, everything else.

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:17:40 2011 No.7748924
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>>7748900
It is canon. Go read the extra materials. Murasa was saved by Byakuren, but if word was known that Byakuren actively helped Youkai (who ate humans), things could have gotten ugly, and fast, for her.

Thus she murdered her companions.

When her little secrets were found out, she was hunted down and sent to Makai. Which was the proper thing to do since she got fired from Humanity.

And now, thanks to this tolerance policy in Gensokyo, she now has a temple way too close to the Human Town. This is way too fishy, if you ask me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:35:51 2011 No.7749011 File: 140 KB, 600x735, 1304428976643.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7748862 >>7748888 >>7748924 Still, a god who fears oblivion seems less than divine to me. It's no wonder her popularity is suffering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:39:52 2011 No.7749026 >>7749011 >It's no wonder her popularity is suffering. It's not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:41:24 2011 No.7749033 >>7748924 Technically, she didn't kill them, she just didn't save them. Maybe. Apples to oranges, though. Any other horrible atrocities against humanity?

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:42:52 2011 No.7749039
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>>7748924
Murdered her companions is a such a harsh way to put it. She simply allowed Murasa to drown them. Keep in mind that those were the days when she hasn't yet reached enlightenment unlike the Byakuren of today. Kanako though, as a god should be above all of that but instead keeps struggling ungracefully like the worst members of humanity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:48:52 2011 No.7749059 >>7749039 Christ, man, she's not struggling. She's got a whole damn mountain of worshipers and then some. You can say that a hundred times, it still won't be true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:48:52 2011 No.7749061 There's none, neither this one >>7748476 Christian symbols are used as decoration because they are ''exotic'' for Japan, similar to what happens with visual key.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:48:52 2011 No.7749062 >>7748924 That was just dumb. Seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:49:28 2011 No.7749069 >>7749059 I meant struggling as in moving from the real world into Gensokyo. Fight or flight instincts are sooo ungodly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:49:28 2011 No.7749070 >>7748689 Which is why tolerant Korea has very little Christians and Intolerant Japan is full of them. Wait...

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:49:58 2011 No.7749066 >>7749039 Maybe Kanako has become quite pathetic, but that doesn't make evil. She's also pretty straightforward with her territorial aggression, and she definitely cares about her "charges", Suwako and Sanae.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:50:28 2011 No.7749073 >>7749039 If a so called messiah allowed people to die of hunger while it was in his power to prevent it, would he be a messiah or a monster?

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:50:28 2011 No.7749074

>>7749039
>keeps struggling ungracefully like the worst members of humanity

Doing one's best to eke out a day-to-day existence is what makes humanity beautiful. Is Kanako in the wrong for working to improve both herself and those around her, even if it's for her own sake? Especially when compared to Byakuren, who condemned people to horrific fates (ie. you don't die when you're drowned by a funayurei, you stay as another shipwreck ghost forever. Actually, you probably get to be a little girl too so I guess it's not so bad a fate.) to do the same?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:55:55 2011 No.7749096 >>7749070 Japan's majority are shintoists and atheists (who are highly superstitious, for some reason) though. Putting Korea and tolerance in the same sentence is hilarous though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:56:26 2011 No.7749102 >>7749073 She was the savior to the yokai. >>7749074 Conquering the territory of others for your own sake seems like something that human royalty would do. As a god she is supposed to be above all that and blink out of existence if that is her fate.

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:58:26 2011 No.7749109

>>7748689
Yeah, but it wasn't the case for Japan.
If Christianity really made it into Japan, japanese culture
would fade away like in Korea, and everything this board was made for would disappear under the oh so holy morals of the magnificent biblical fiction.
It's actually a serious matter, Ishihara, the one you take so lightly and make fun of, thinking it won't affect your issues, has made many declarations on how Japan needs Christian morals and how the earthquake was a divine punishment, apart from all the ''otaku and homosexuals have defective DNA'', his speech actually affected Comiket itself, very lightly, but it's a start, if this goes on there won't be any more comiket in a few years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:59:25 2011 No.7749112 >>7749102 Says you. If gods are so above us, who are you to say what they should and shouldn't do?

Anonymous Mon Aug 15 23:59:57 2011 No.7749114

>>7749039
>the ship was sunk, and all of the people on it were flung into the sea
>flung into the sea

There's no account of anybody drowning in the first place. You're letting a troll actually influence your views.

He's right in one thing. Go read the extra materials (yourself, instead of relying on his account).

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:01:55 2011 No.7749122 >>7749096 The majority of Japanese do not follow shintoism.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:02:04 2011 No.7749126

>>7749102
>As a god she is supposed to be above all that and blink out of existence if that is her fate.

Pffft, Japanese gods try to conquer each other's territory all the time. In fact, pretty much the only place that didn't do that was ancient Mesopotamia, where the city-states hung out together pretty well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:02:04 2011 No.7749127 >>7748689 As a Portuguese, I'm glad they weren't able to "christianize" it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:03:25 2011 No.7749133 >>7749109 >how the earthquake was a divine punishment Wait, did he really say that?

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:06:27 2011 No.7749144
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dude, wooooow, you /jp/ aren't done with your butthurt trolling spaz yet? It's been at least a few hours since the new game came out, right? I mean fuck it, this Touhou thing exists, so get over it, right? Right. Deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:07:44 2011 No.7749146 >>7749109 Kintaro ishihara, the governor? The guy is a buddhist/shintoist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:10:32 2011 No.7749161 >>7749112 >>7749126 Kanako's godhood is laughable in this aspect. The Abrahamic god needs nothing from us apes while Kanako seems more like a puppet manipulated by the apes complete with our desire for war and self preservation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:10:55 2011 No.7749159 >>7749127 Shut the fuck up. Nobody cares about puny forgotten country or your priest ass fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:18:57 2011 No.7749176 >>7749159 holy shit O:

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:34:43 2011 No.7749227
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>>7749146
He probably needs to be on board with the official government, corporate group and labor union amalgam approved Buddhist/ShinTo cult or something. Synarchist (wingnut far-far-far-far-far-right religious) governments are like that, ask the Roman Catholic world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:45:53 2011 No.7749249 >>7749227 So you suspect his religion might be something else? According to his bio, the guy spent a whole lot of time runninng in a bike in south america in the sixties.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 00:52:16 2011 No.7749270

>>7749096
No. Japanese are NOT atheists. Atheists FIRMLY believe that no higher power exists and do their best to deny such existence. Japanese don't think that way. They couldn't care less either way because they don't have the power to prove it one way or the other, but they have been raised to believe in spirits and the afterlife as per their customs. That's why they're a superstitious bunch.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:08:17 2011 No.7749325
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>>7749270
I have met quite a bit of atheists who believe in ghosts or use crystals, feng shui and that other crap. And then I also have the alien tin foil hat atheists who firmly tell me with a straight face that aliens created us. My theist mind is confused by such notions.

I do not know where you get your atheists, but I would gladly exchange mine with yours.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:18:14 2011 No.7749344 >>7749325 Those aren't atheists.

>he still uses greentext for actual quotations! Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:20:46 2011 No.7749350
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>>7749325
>met quite a bit of atheists who believe in ghosts or use crystals[...]

I think that's strange. I believe you, it's certainly not impossible to dismiss the idea of divine power while permitting other silliness in your universe, but it is unusual. I guess you might find belief in magic and ghosts and paranormal in the "angry teen rebel" type of atheist. As a more typical no-nonsense naturalist humanist atheist I find "superstitious atheists" pretty silly, but I guess it does support the notion that a lot of people need some kind of supernatural crutch to function well. The mind still holds more mysteries than any other part of the human body, after all.

As a side-note, I enjoy this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB7jSFeVz1U

And to make this /jp/ related:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6t5PO8ZVps

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:28:42 2011 No.7749372 File: 140 KB, 500x667, 5260_0104_500..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7749227 Only no, he doesn't. (Pic related, it's a Catholic.) Japan isn't really far-right and certainly isn't religious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:32:40 2011 No.7749389 >>7749325 Those are just crazy people.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:38:12 2011 No.7749403
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>>7749350
>supernatural crutch

As opposed to those who prefer pseudointellectual ones.

>I'M AN ATHEIST LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME
>LOL LOOK AT THOSE INSANE FUNDIES
>I'M SO SMART AND LOGICAL UNLIKE THOSE SILLY FUNDIES I'M SO SPECIAL
>FUCK I'M A FUCKING GENIUS ATHEIST HEY HEY LOOK AT ME

Picking on fundies so you can pump yourself up as superior is worse then those thirty-year-old neckbeard fucks who cheat in Pokemon tournaments against fifteen-year-olds... and that's exactly what a lot of "atheists" do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:42:10 2011 No.7749415 >>7749403 You sound frustrated. Did atheists rape your cat, or something?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:44:08 2011 No.7749422 >>7749403 Agnostic master race.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:49:39 2011 No.7749431 File: 32 KB, 810x800, 1216063753053.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7749403

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:18:13 2011 No.7749512 File: 50 KB, 533x400, c9c385ec963c2a16afc99108629344c5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7749344 >>7749350 >>7749389 So even in Atheism you will find heretics, I guess? It kind of depresses me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:21:44 2011 No.7749518 File: 171 KB, 768x1053, 9a197b56710d520d51553b9d462a58db.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I am dissapointment, /jp/

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:24:44 2011 No.7749529 >>7749512 Atheism has no meaning beyond its literal definition. There's no associated philosophy beyond disbelief in a god(s). Non-retarded atheists are generally secular humanists.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:25:42 2011 No.7749533 File: 361 KB, 600x700, 19675118.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7749518 Is that so~? Post more Rumia. That always cheers me up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:00:17 2011 No.7749643 >>7749325 'sup, highschool no, you still don't know anything about anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:10:47 2011 No.7749668 File: 30 KB, 306x342, rumia_cult.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Rumia

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:18:17 2011 No.7749689 Just another culture for the humans of Gensokyo to oppress.

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