/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

GRIN blames Square-Enix for the death of its studio, exposes S-E incompetence

>Speaking in an interview with Aftonbladet, Ulf and Bo Andersson said Square not only made ridiculous demands of the firm, but it also reneged on $20 million contract for the firm’s Final Fantasy spin-off game, codenamed Fortress. Square also insisted, according to the Anderssons, that the firm fax it the game’s code and music files.

>“It is as silly as it sounds,” said Bo Andersson. “It is an impossible requirement, you can not send ASCII or binary codes on the fax. It is backward. Really retarded. It was almost a criminal activity.”

>According to the developers, Square also claimed the firm was not delivering its work to the correct departments. It should have, instead, been sending all its work to Square’s legal division, and furthermore insisted it didn’t like the game’s Nordic style, which it specifically requested from the beginning and was one of the main reasons it chose a Swedish firm in the first place.

>So, to test the waters at Square a bit, and to see if it was even paying attention, GRIN sent it some concept art from taken straight from Final Fantasy XII .

>The Anderssons were told: “It does not look like Final Fantasy.”

>“Then we realized that whatever we do … they have decided,” Bo Andersson said. “We wanted to come in and revolutionize Final Fantasy, which is exactly what they need. The latest version sucks of course.”

[Anonymous No.]

Dat anatomy

[Anonymous No.]

Those fucking tits.

[Anonymous No.]

superior Valkyrur

[Anonymous No.]

So is this another case of SNK-esque incompetence, or just your run-of-the-mill incompetence?

[Anonymous No.]

>So, to test the waters at Square a bit, and to see if it was even paying attention, GRIN sent it some concept art from taken straight from Final Fantasy XII .

>The Anderssons were told: “It does not look like Final Fantasy.”

LOL!

[Anonymous No.]

dat VC Design Archive, i bout it and love it, got it for $30

[Anonymous No.]

Bueno.

[Anonymous No.]

Square Enix consists mostly of incompetent idiots, nothing new here. Read one of Tim Roger's articles about them or the Japanese games industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720530
give us some links then gook

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720530
>Japanese games
Yeah,damn those small companies producing some of the best games and soundtracks!

[Anonymous No.]

>“It does not look like Final Fantasy.”

Final Fantasy hasn't looked like Final Fantasy since FF IX.

[Anonymous No.]

So what did these GRIN guys make?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720538

That shitty Bionic Commando reboot in 09 and Terminator Salvation in 09.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720530
fuck tim rogers, listen to WARNING! A Huge Podcast instead

http://wahp.jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720538
GRAW 1 and 2 and both Bionic Commando games in 2009

[Anonymous No.]

Also, in before the usual brigade of jerks who say that SE deserves a break after The World Ends With You. As fantastic as the game was it does not signal a recovery in quality titles from SE.

[Anonymous No.]

It's Final Fantasy XII spin-off, sure they were going to canceled it

>In addition to original characters and locations, concept art for the game depicted Ashe and a Judge character from Final Fantasy XII, and chocobos and other recurring creatures of the series.

[Anonymous No.]

I hate to be that guy, but can anyone point me in the direction of some scans of the translated artbook?
The original Japanese one is already sitting in my shelf, I had no idea it was going to be released in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720502
Dat Alicia
I'd get drunk with her any day

[Anonymous No.]

>It is an impossible requirement, you can not send ASCII or binary codes on the fax.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720527
How much more pages of raw sexy Alicia does the Design Archive have?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720557
That is only 16 characters. One of those measures 1 inch.

Asking them to fax the code was retarded. Why not just send a simple private FTP site and have them download from there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720557
Japanese companies are known to be very slow at adopting new technologies as long as old ones work.
For instance, TV stations require all TV shows (anime included) and commercials to be delivered to them physically on some specific type of digital cassettes that have been in use for decades. Lulz ensued when that huge earthquake earlier this year wiped out the only factory that produced them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720566
because if it's on the internets the other companies can hack into it and steal the datas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720587
More proof that the gods exist.

If there is something that I enjoy, is the idea of a deity gloating over us rather than watching over us. It makes existence so much easier to understand.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>GRIN

Who? I never even heard of these faggots so nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous No.]

instead of complaining about square enix can we complain about sega not bringing vc3 over?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720619
You should learn japanese, feels good man. The Nameless are awesome and Dahau is a great antagonist, if a bit of jerk You don't ambush people on their day off at the beach man, that's just bad form.

[Anonymous No.]

These guys talk like high schoolers.

I'm sure they made very good business relations with SE. Not that SE isn't at fault here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720587
>lulz
As if more proof was needed that those threads need to stay in /v/.

[Anonymous No.]

I have the book in OP as well.
Got it from Amazon.
They changed its release date over 9,000 times from when I ordered it.
Chances that I will scan it: 0%

[Anonymous No.]

ITT your typical thread where nerds mock Japan's game industry of being slow and "backwarded" even though they make the most original and good games after America

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720668
But they won't bring Fatal Frame IV overseas, so I don't give a shit anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720668
>even though they make the most original and good games after America
This. The entire Europe is aping on US games

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720664
Give me a name then so I can buy one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720642
Actually, my source for that info was ANNcast (the one with MG translator). Make out of it what you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720676
yeah japan is so copypasta, they should make games like these instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720695
That's so very biased and unscientific.

[Anonymous No.]

My copy of the VC1 art book hasn't even been dispatched yet. UK amazon says it's still up for preorder despite the release date being yesterday.

I'm mad as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720668
>>7720676
Actually most of the games you consider for some reason or the other to be american are actually made by European studios.

Like Assasins Creed, Deus EX, Battlefield, Tropico etc...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720530 Read one of Tim Roger's articles
Why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720703
>Assasins Creed
Canadian
>Deus EX
US
>Battlefield
Swedish, but apes on FPS games
>Tropico etc...
American

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck, I'd like a FF with nordic Style, I guess this guys could change the name and remove every reference to FF and just release their game couldn't them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720723
Yes. They could.

But then they would get sued by SE for stealing their property.

[Anonymous No.]

>fax the game’s code

WTF

[b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc No.]

Why bring this up now? This article was from April or May wasn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

Skyrim will be like FF13 except with a Nordic style.

[Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE No.]

>The Anderssons were told: “It does not look like Final Fantasy.”
>fax it the game’s code and music files.

I cant stop laughing at this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720543
Hey they also did the Wanted: Weapons of Fate game which wasn't bad.

On one hand I do feel bad for them that SE incompetence caused the death of their studio. On the other hand, they are assholes. Their entire developing philosophy was to focus on making movie based games for easy profits. Want to know how the studio was founded?

In addition to the Anderssons there was another partner for their original game design studio. The partner thought that since he fronted roughly 50% of the cash for the start-up he should be entitled to 50% of the profits of their first game, then scaling back to a third over the course of 3 games. The Anderssons weren't having any of that, so they bankrupted their original company then purchased all of their equipment out of liquidation and set-up shot as GRIN studios. There was a minor law suit concerning embezzlement as well as the aforementioned screwing over of the partner.

So I don't feel completely bad for them, but they kind of deserved it. It tells you everything about a company that when it fails 4 game studios get formed from the ashes each claiming to be responsible for that one good game they did instead of just 1 or 2

[Anonymous No.]

Alicia is my waifu

[Anonymous No.]

Why do people keep bumping shitty threads like these that don't belong here? Take this to /v/. Hell, I don't think even /v/ would want to know about some random company no one has ever heard about going out of business. The concept art is disgustingly bad as well.

[Anonymous No.]

It was probably some low tier worker that has nothing to do with the design of games that saw the pictures and said "They don't look like Final Fantasy". I refuse to believe anyone in the game development department wouldn't recognize Final Fantasy. Also it's 2011, they sent CONCEPT ART of a game from 2006 and expected someone to remember it.

It's called CONCEPT ART for a reason.

I think GRIN are just being little girls and can't accept the fact that they're garbage and so was their studio. So they're doing random shit to cover up their sore behinds.

Oh and fuck all of you naysayers. Birth by Sleep is a wonderful game. Square Enix still has it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720587
I know I'm kind of late, but I can vouch for this. I worked a night shift at a Japanese TV station for a while, and everything we aired was on cassette tapes. Most of the editing was linear, i.e. if you want to stick 1 minute of extra footage into the middle of a 1 hour long program, you have to wait 31 minutes: 1 minute to record the new footage onto the tape, plus an extra 30 minutes to re-record the second half of the program after the 1 minute of inserted footage. Even when we did use computers to edit footage, we had to record the finished product onto a tape in order to get it aired. The stupidest part about it was that they'd encode everything back into video data before airing it in the control room, which was downstairs and across the hall from the editing rooms. So, we were basically copying hours of footage onto tapes, just so that we could carry them to another room in the building and have someone re-encode them back onto a computer. Nobody ever dreamed of reworking the system so we could, you know, just save the footage as data in the first place, edit it non-linear using a computer, and then send the data straight to the control room...

Although, I always assumed this kind of behavior wasn't unique to Japanese companies, but something that happens at all large companies...

[最終メイド彼女 !!CwViSTR9bo5 No.]

>>7721101
I thought I've already told you to go kill yourself? If that's too hard, get the fuck out of /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

I just plain hate SE after their terrible handling of FFXI.

Like recently we got some nice feedback regarding the Summoner class, explaining that Blood Pact Ward costs MP because that way it is expensive to use on your self, but almost efficient to use in a group.

Meanwhile Bards and Corsairs run all over the place and buff themselves or others for free.

Sometimes I wonder if the whole company isn't more autistic than /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

Still waiting for these scans

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>7722735
>>scan 400 pages
>>the English language artbook just recently came out

I think you're better off spending the 30 bucks for the artbook on Amazon in this case.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck SE. There are dozens of people complaining about bugs in their iOS FF games. It's been 5 months and they still haven't released any updates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720558
Alicia pg 70 - 91
So much beta and alternate versions and her in a wedding dress

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>7723465
>>my face when like 5 proto versions of Alicia

RAITA is so damn detailed when it comes to his art. It's quite impressive.

Even in his h-doujinshi he would do these little cool designs at the end and stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

is this art book vc1 only or does it have characters from 2 and 3 too? I want some juliana or riela pictures.

[Anonymous No.]

> fax it the game’s code and music files

[Anonymous No.]

artbook where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7723465
>Alicia pg 70 - 91
>21 pages of Alicia designs by Raita

OH CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN

[Anonymous No.]

>>7720676
Cool story, bro. Now let me get back to playing Tropico, Anno, Settlers, Gothic, Risen, STALKER etc.

>>7720709
Battlefield "apes" jack fucking shit. And the Tropico IP has been property of Kalypso Media, with everything since Tropico 3 being developed by Haemimont. Get lost, troll.

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck is this verb "ape" ?

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>7723531
http://www.amazon.com/Valkyria-Chronicles-Design-Archive-Sega/dp/1926778162/

I really doubt some bro is going to ruin his artbook and scan 400 pages, but you never know I guess. Valkyria fans are a pretty dedicated bunch.

[Anonymous No.]

So to sum the thread up some small company got frustrated by a corporation. Also developers from all countries are pretty unoriginal. So that basically means most developers in general are shit and only a few are good?

Yup, nothing new there. And companies that used to make some okay games now make more bland shit obsessed with their own "style" hm? Oh hi there BioWare, Bethesda, Blizzard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7722629

They must be. I remember having this conversation a few days ago with an old XI-buddy. We were trying to think of any SE game that wasn't completely unbalanced, didn't have abusable mechanics, and/or didn't greatly favored one job/character. I think the closest game he could think of was Chrono Trigger. The saddest part is, FFT is one of the biggest culprits of these issues, but I think it's still one of the best games they ever made.

I just don't think they take balance or challenge into consideration most of the time, so long as it looks "good".

[Anonymous No.]

>>7723559
Damn, and here I thought I could enjoy some Raita goodness.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=714426
I didn't know there was a Selvaria nukige until now

[Anonymous No.]

>>7723534
>>21 pages of Alicia designs by Raita
Are you serious, bro?

[Anonymous No.]

>http://www.amazon.com/Shigenori-Soejima-Artworks-SC-Atlus/dp/1926778324/ref=pd_sim_b_1
>Shigenori Soejima Artworks SC
please tell me there is a scan for this

[Anonymous No.]

> Square also insisted, according to the Anderssons, that the firm fax it the game’s code and music files.

Amusingly I'm in the middle of reading a book about Japans state after the bubble burst, one of the criticisms was how many companies refuse to start using email even in this day and age, preferring think to have a physical form so they can stamp their seal on it / general distrust of tech.

[Nitori's Faceless !FRIENDgj1s No.]

>>7723659
seems that way
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/322755/d758801ada/

[Anonymous No.]

FFXII was actually among my favorite, along with IV.

It's too bad they fucked up and added Vaan due to the cries of the Japanese fanbase wanting a generic faggot. But other than that, everything was done right.

AND THEN FFXIII HAPPENED.

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>>7720536
Like VII and VIII, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7723693
No one in Japan uses email for business. Addresses were (and still are, sort of) tied to cell phones, so it became their form of texting. And really, you wouldn't text business documents, would you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7723839
The story is pretty cool though. Too bad you won't last until they get to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7723735
I wanted to post a download link, but fuck you moot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7724075
Use a non-shitty filehost?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7724078
Like hell I'm going to download and reupload just for /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7723853
>No one in Japan uses email for business.
lol no

[Anonymous No.]

>>7724081
Don't you want to be cool?

[Anonymous No.]

niggahs need to pony up the cash

also vc2 art book in english in another yea. they took more than 1 year to finally ship the vc1 artbook after announcing it. they announced vc2's three weeks ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7724078
Which are?

FYI; I've been warned (and banned once) for all of the popular hosts right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7723839
>But other than that, everything was done right.
I was the big faggot clamed this game gonna be best final fantasy in the recently year
because I have faith in Yasumi Matsuno (yeah, and he droped out)

It turned out to be a big disappointment.

The art style is good, the story is meh

The "License system" is the half-ass skill system
Even FFX has more fun than FF12

[Francis York Morgan !mbHjxjfHlA No.]

this shit is months old

[Francis York Morgan !mbHjxjfHlA No.]

>>7720544
The only episode I heard from this podcast was the one with the shooter discussion, with muchi pork, pink sweets, trouble witches, etc. It was painful to listen to.