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[Anonymous No.]

Who would win?

NOT ANOTHER TYPE-MOON POWER LEVELS PLEASE

[Anonymous No.]

Archer is far sexier, tsundere, and has his own route so he would.

[Anonymous No.]

ends in sex

[Anonymous No.]

You're inviting it with this alone, I will be impressed if this actually works out well.

[Anonymous No.]

oh man, what would it be like to suck archer's penis...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683269
With /jp/ in the middle.

[Anonymous No.]

Archer would try to get killed himself.

[Anonymous No.]

nanaya can servants

[Anonymous No.]

Archer would hit him with kaladbolg from a mile away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683265
Dude, EMYIA has cooking, cleaning, tea makin' skills, also that high bar jump that makes women eternal virgins(with the exception of the slut).

[Anonymous No.]

Nanaya every time.
Archer is ugly and a terrible character.
Seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683284
The gland nullifies everything, your argument is invalid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683285
>Archer is ugly and a terrible character.
You misspelled Nanaya there, buddy.

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>>7683285
Look at that sexy smirk.

Not gay, but i'd give myself to him.

[fuck reading No.]

Roy Mustang

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

Kotomine Shirou

[Anonymous No.]

Satsujinki, obviously.

[Freezing !qSaya2MQ6o No.]

>>7683532
>Satsujinki
not canon

[Anonymous No.]

Nanashi
He killed earth on ciels route and he killed a fucking hallway
He killed a poison that was inside him, what's stopping him from killing a ghost

[Anonymous No.]

Couldn't Emiya just snipe the living shit out of Nanaya?

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>>7683293
Nanaya isn't ugly.
Archer is.

[Freezing !qSaya2MQ6o No.]

>>7683574
>archer
>ugly

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683550
Still? Even though there are signs pointing towards that direction?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683582
moar

[Anonymous No.]

Both are interesting because they are basically the definition of the human body pushed to its very limits. With mystic eyes Nanaya definitely has an advantage, however I think the thing that will make the fight more difficult for Nanaya is EMIYA's fighting style. There was some mention of it during the prologue fight between Archer and Lancer, but the style itself basically boils down to "Purposefully leave openings in your defense so you always know exactly where your opponent will attack". EMIYA can at least hold Nanaya to a standstill by forcing him to attack exactly where EMIYA expects. I'd expect that, barring any plot-contrived outside interference or distraction, it would be a complete stalemate.

[Freezing !qSaya2MQ6o No.]

I;m pretty sure Shiki will still before he will reach that point

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>>7683596
I don't think there are any ceilings or walls for Nanaya to run on in UBW.

Nanaya wins in an enclosed space or any space which has planes other than the ground he can bound off of. In an open space EMIYA has the upper hand methinks.

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>>7683612

Unlimited Blade Works is killable, however. Even Tohno Shiki can kill it. Imagine UBW as EMIYA's portable library. If he doesn't have it "out", he can only pull out a couple weapons at a time (albeit instantaneously), and if he activates it he has access to all of his weapons at once. However, if Nanaya kills it, he loses access to ALL of them. Using UBW would be a huge gambit for EMIYA. He would absolutely, positively have to kill Nanaya before Nanaya could kill UBW. Definitely possible, but very risky.

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TYPE-MOON IS SHIT!

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>>7683646
Wouldn't trying to kill UBW give Shiki/Nanaya an insane headache or something like that? It's not even like with Arcueid where it makes her weaker. Nanaya destroys UBW, and meanwhile Archer is unrelatedly directing a few swords at his ass.

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>>7683653
By this I mean already taken out swords.

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>>7683651
Yes yes, we know.
>>7683646
It would have been nice to see EMIYA use the Phantasm hailstorm on someone absurdly fast like Lancer so we'd have a metric to see if Nanaya could possibly dodge something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

if ubw is the end result of shirou's ideals wouldn't destroying it mean destroying shirou's future?

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>>7683653

As I understand it Nanaya is about midway between Tohno and Ryougi. In other words, he can kill non-living entities and certain well-defined concepts (such as "a reality marble") without much trouble. It's the more abstract stuff that he has difficulty with.

But, it is true that Nanaya would have to let down his guard to find and attack the point for UBW. As >>7683656 mentioned, it may simply rely on his sheer agility to avoid EMIYA's barrage of swords and strike the point.

Though, according to Melty Blood, Nanaya can theoretically strike something like 50 times in an instant, so he is pretty damn fast.

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>>7683665
I dunno.
Saber's dialogue with Archer hints at that even if Shirou dies it doesn't matter, there's another timeline where he succeeds at being a hero anyway. So, unless Nanaya kills all iterations of somethings existence in the vast multiverse when he "kills" it I don't think so. I am not so well-versed on Type-Moonetry to give a definite answer.

[Anonymous No.]

There are a few things to consider. For example, Nanaya understanding/knowing what UBW is and that he SHOULD kill it asap.
But if we give that to Nanaya, then EMIYA should know what Nanaya can do, which could work for EMIYA's advantage as said in >>7683596.

[Anonymous No.]

since archer is a counter guardian does that mean he has the most battle experience compared to every other known servant? or is the exp he gains from killing shit not saved when he gets recalled?

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>>7683696
>or is the exp he gains from killing shit not saved when he gets recalled?
That should only be from his servant part time job. The memories of his Counter Guardian job should be there.

Or he might be an exception like Saber, but I doubt that.

[Anonymous No.]

Killing a reality marble with meodp is just stupid.
For all intents and purposes, reality marbles are proper worlds on their own. These worlds might perhaps not have enough power to overpower gaia etc, but while summoned, they are still for all intents and purposes a proper world that is every bit as real as the real world, and could also replace it if gaia didn't struggle to fight against it.

Reality marbles are by their concepts threats to the world, and thus the world does everything to stop and crush them. The only thing preventing this from being instant is the massive mana flow going into the spell designed to prevent this, hence the massive mana cost for maintaining one.

To kill, a reality marble with meodp, one would have to understand that world, at least as good gaia and the regular world, and then in some fucked up way comprehend and stab its core somehow.

But long story short. A reality marble isn't just another spell like any other. It releases another world, a real world. And that's what a reality marble is.
For Shiki to casually kill a whole world is mental.

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>>7683706
>That should only be from his servant part time job.
All Servants retains their memories in one way or another. The effects from accumulated summons is universal. It's just that they for most part almost impossible to recall memories correctly.

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>>7683831

Tohno Shiki was able to kill an entire part of Earth in Ciel's route. Nanaya's Mystic Eyes are not only more powerful, but a reality marble is less stable. Finding the core of a reality marble compared to Earth would be like reading the lines on an undead ghoul compared to Arcueid (not under the full moon, that is). I'd imagine it'd be much easier to destroy a reality marble like that.

[Anonymous No.]

Nanaya is fast.
But Nanaya is Human.
And Archer is a Servant.

Nanaya is fast for a human.
And Archer shoots arrows around mach 13 and blocks strikes going at him at mach 2-4.

Nanaya can also not kill stuff indefinately. And killing Noble Phantasms if anythng must be straining on his brain.
And while Nanaya have Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, Archer got Noble Phantasms of some of the highest classes, and got tactical nukes etc in his arsenal.

If your weapons are enough to kill your opponent to begin with, something like the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception becomes an excess thing. And to be honest, whether or not he can even see lines/dots on Servants is a disputable in itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683873

Well, despite the name of the OP image, I think the contest is more between EMIYA and Nanaya. In other words, the theoretical maximum that both protagonists can eventually reach in their lifetimes. It's even stated though that for a servant, EMIYA is not nearly as fast or as strong as most of his opposition. He mostly relies on being a magnificent, manipulative bastard, in and out of battle. When he's not fighting you he's convincing you to fight someone else, and when he is fighting you he's convincing you to attack him in an easily defensible position. EMIYA doesn't win fights by being better than his opponent, he wins them by always being one move ahead.

Thus, the real question here is: Can the sheer power of Nanaya's Mystic Eyes overcome EMIYA's strategy? I say no.

[Anonymous No.]

>Type-Moon power levels thread
>NOT ANOTHER TYPE-MOON POWER LEVELS PLEASE

What the fuck?

ORT would win btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683868
>Tohno Shiki was able to kill an entire part of Earth in Ciel's route
He killed A part of earth. I doubt he was anywhere close to killing gaia. As for the core of a reality marble, it might very well reside within the original summoner, rendering everything else somewhat moot. Then again, he could possibly create a "hole", akin to what he did on gaia. That is, an area that loses its function and becomes barren. But the worlds are quite large.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683892
A true phenomenon, Type-Moon threads and the urge to regurgitate unchecked, poorly defined, information from secondary sources.

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[Anonymous No.]

>They are "nothing" to start with. It is meaningless to kill something not part of the real world.

When Gilgamesh is summoned, the world doesn't view Gilgamesh as a magical construct with the shape and form of Gilgamesh.
It recognizes Gilgamesh as Gilgamesh, but also finds an error. Gilgamesh died so and so many years before BC, Gilgamesh is already dead! And because of this error the world tries its best to correct this mistake, hence the massive mana upkeep of sustaining a Servant. The only thing keeping them from being corrected is the constant stream of energy.

Any particular reason as to why the Shikis' Eyes would fare any better than the mechanisms of the world, and recognize them as something other than something already dead? Is one to believe that they are smarter, and thus have more control in how they can interpret things with their eyes? Or something like that, really?

At best, I could see them severing the contract feeding them with energy, like Rule Breaker.
But I can't believe it would be anywhere near easy for them to "kill" that of which is no longer part of the real world, nor even alive for that matter. An error the world itself fails to view in a manner enabling them to casually dispose of them. Why should Shiki be able to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683938
>non-canon faggot
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683938
Cool story bro

[Anonymous No.]

>Shiki will never be as cool as this guy

[Anonymous No.]

Mystic Eyes of Death perception only works on beings that are part of their world.
Heroic Spirits are part of none, and they are already recognized as dead by the world anyway.
The only thing stopping them is the magic of the summoning contract, otherwise they are already dead anyway.

So first off, Shiki wouldn't be able to perceive their death because
1, They are already dead, and while he can kill non-living things, he can't kill, killed things, or perceive their death/end for matter.
2, They belong to no world, and most certainly not his, he cannot perceive the death of "aliens".
3, Him stabbing them would make no difference, because when they are summoned it's as if they are already stabbed for all the world cares, because they are already dead. Hence the massive energy cost in maintaining them as the world tries to live up to that fact.

But yes, otherwise he could potentially kill them, like any other bloke with an enchanted item.
A child could potentially kill a Heroic Spirit, with an enchanted spoon, given the Spirit doesn't resist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683938

[Anonymous No.]

>>7683938
ÿ

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>>7684114

shiki can see lines and points of things that aren't alive.
Such as walls, concrete, momentum itself, zombies, even Arcueid herself under the full moon.

Your point is invalid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7684132
>fanwank

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xWK1sK3Z80

[Anonymous No.]

>>7684132
>shiki can see lines and points of things that aren't alive.
Yes, but he can't kill things he have already killed. There is a difference between the "alive" and the "dead" and those things that have met their end in the eyes of the world.

[Anonymous No.]

Shiki can not perceive me!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7684150

If it exists as a mass of energy with a conscience, shiki can see lines/points and hit them.

Even Tatari, while it didn't exist, had lines that he could see (Shiki was just unable to cut them with his knife).

The eyes of the world and Shiki's eyes are rather different.

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>>7684160

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>>7684160
>Behold the power of Fanwank
Shiki can now kill ORT
Is that you NanayaMode from FF.net?

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>>7684160
>The eyes of the world and Shiki's eyes are rather different.
Shiki's powers basically only functions as a trigger on a switch. Switching a boolean value of 1/0.
Everything else is done by the world. MEoDP merely have the power to change how the world perceives things.

[None !!yd7r75W7TsV No.]

>>7684160
WTF?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7684160
IIRC Shiki's MEoDP can only kill things that can be perceived in the modern era

[Anonymous No.]

"I miss Shiki can kill bullshit.
Discuss." threads.
They were bloody hilarious at times and at least most of the people knew they were being ridiculous. Remember when he killed gravity and went to Krypton to get a nice cloak? Good times.

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>>7684271
"Your party enters a dark, sprawling maze. You hear dripping water and the squeaking of surprised rats"
"I kill the darkness"
"What"
"I kill the concept of darkness, so all that remains is light. Now we can explore the dungeon."
"But your character-"
"I, Ryougi Shiki, kill the concept of darkness in the game world. My character's abilities are irrelevant."

[Anonymous No.]

>>7684271
Okay, lets restart then.

Shiki can kill the concept of death and unhappiness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7684313
But can he kill the reason kids love cinnamon toast crunch so much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7684331

Easily. React the sugar into ethylene glycol.

You could say, they'll love it to death.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>7683938
sauce?

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, guys, guys.

That's NANAYA Shiki.

He doesn't have the MEoDP.

Well, he did when Wallachia created his TATARI image, but Wallachia created "insane murderer Tohno Shiki", not Nanaya Shiki as he appeared in Kagetsu Tohya.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7685563
Nanaya Shiki is too OP bro, he can kill ORT with his smoothness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7685581

You can't kill ORT with anything but overpowering moe, and ORT's moe is maximum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7685586
>overpowering moe

Neco-Arc can kill ORT. Discuss.