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Sup /jp/? Ya'll are otaku right? So I'm guessing some of you know Japanese. I tried posting this on /r/, but got no replies. So can someone recommend me good tools for learning Japanese whether they be books or digital? PS- Not rosetta stone, I don't want to have to spend more than 150 dollars on this. Thanks.

>> No.7658143

If only we had a language board...

>> No.7658140

watch anime till you learn the language I did it that way i'm so japanese i shit ramens now

>> No.7658150

Eroge everyday.

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7658157

I've been watching anime for a long time, one of the motivators for learning. But I only got basic words down, and you can't play hgames knowing only ikuzo.

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7658161

>learning japanese because of anime
Anime is fun!
Learning japanese for more than 5 years and still know a shit.

>> No.7658164

>>7658143
Yea, maybe we should request one?

>> No.7658171

>>7658161
madoka a shit

>> No.7658173

>>7658164
please die

>> No.7658181

>>7658128
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3590082/Rosetta_Stone_Japanese
You are welcome

>> No.7658182

Learn hiragana and katakana first. Just look up a chart or something with Google. This step shouldn't take very long.
Once you've got those down, learn some basic kanji. Do some searching around and I'm sure you'll find a textbook or website for this. Also, you don't need to know too many yet, just enough to get your foot in the door.
Then it's time to learn grammar. This will help:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

After you have a solid grasp of the grammar, >>7658150

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7658208

Complete this entire book and then come back asking for advice. If you're actually serious about learning Japanese get kanji down first. No there isn't another more efficient way, yes it will require a lot of effort. inb4 Heisig haters: There isn't a more efficient method to internalize kanji, yes mnemonics can sound silly at times but there's a reason people that enter memory competitions always use mnemonics to memorize information, because they work.

>> No.7658221

>>7658208
I like how you think being a blind closed minded fanboy is any better than disliking a method out of your own experience.

>> No.7658243

Go to the library. Get a book on kanji that focuses on the radicals. I personally recommend Kanji in Context (by The Japan Times) because they include this and some other handy tools.

Then, go to Japan and take a course in spoken Japanese (there are some offered for free there, and they aren't bad). Before you get there just learn the ins and outs of the sentence structure and your survival verbs, nothing else. And for god's sake, talk to locals.

>> No.7658248

>>7658221
Any other method is less efficient. It's a fact mnemonics help retain information, you can dislike it all you want but that doesn't make the method any less superior. Also, I hated Heisig, it took forever and felt like a purely academic exercise, but here I am 5 months later reading generic eroge and comprehending it. I doubt any other method will give you results that fast.

>> No.7658256

>>7658248

Learning to recognize radicals is a more efficient method because you don't have to take the time to learn wholly separate abstractions (that they resemble the character doesn't actually matter). After a while you absorb the information by combining simple "building blocks," and you can even discern the meaning of unfamiliar characters this way.

>> No.7658269

>>7658256
Heisig breaks the characters down into the radicals and assigns them mental images. If I see a new character I can immediately discern the elements and remember it that way. But he also adds the mnemonic technique, which increases retention. It's the best of both worlds.

>> No.7658276

I'm gonna hit up some distance Japanese classes since they're paid by the government over here I might as well.

Get the basics down, I already know a bit but it's pretty scattered and I don't have a solid understanding of the grammar yet.

>> No.7658303

Alright, thanks (almost) everyone. I'll check out the Kanji in Context book and the Remembering book, even thought it seems a little controversial.

>> No.7658313

/jp/ just likes to bitch about things that are popular, the hypocritical hipster bastards that they are. Rosetta Stone is a great way to learn Japanese; it is used by governments and militaries around the world, and trust me, those guys do ｎｏｔ fuck around.

But be sure to browse Japanese sites like 2ch and Futaba so that you can exercise you reading skills in native environment, and listen to j-pop and watch anime so that your listening and speaking skills are up to par.

>> No.7658318

>>7658128

>Ya'll

>> No.7658326

>>7658313
>government
>does NOT fuck around
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oh boy

>> No.7658331

>>7658318
It is the improvised second-person plural. Deal with it.

I bet that you bitch about singular they as well.

>> No.7658337

>>7658331

You are not from the US then, or have been to the south, so you don't know the horrors of "Ya'll"

>> No.7658343

>>7658337
It's spelled y'all.

>> No.7658346

いったいなんだ？？？

>> No.7658347

>>7658343
ya'll is short for "y'all all" as in
"y'all all gonna be at the party tonight?"

>> No.7658348

anybody try textfugu?

>> No.7658359

>>7658346
Itai nande. "What is this" correct? It's a thread. But itai also means ow, so.. No I don't think it hurts. O.o

>> No.7658364

>>7658359
give up on japanese. now.

>> No.7658376

>>7658359
Definitely a beginner, you.

>> No.7658385

>>7658128

Anon,it's all about immersion. Here's a general outline of what I did;

I started studying last year, around august I guess, it then took me 2 months or so to study basic Japanese and learn 500 kanjis, after that, I immediately started playing eroge specifically Tsuyokiss. At that time, reading it was hard, real hard, as in it took me 5 or more minutes to decipher the unvoiced lines. After about,a month and a half I was able to finish nagomi,erika and yoppi's route (yes, it took me over a month to finish a supposedly 10-30 hours game). Now, it's been over a year since I started and I've gotten to the point where I barely need to use translator aggregator to read eroge.

tldr; If you want to learn japanese then study basic japanese (use Taekim's site), learn 500 kanjis(use kanji damage + anki) and then play eroge like crazy (start with easy shit like tsuyokiss)

>> No.7658387

>>7658347
I hate this country so much.

>> No.7658403

Check this site for grammar: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

As for kanji, some people prefer mnemonic based material like Heisig, but I wasn't and still aren't the biggest fan of mnemonics, so I learned my kanji by writing some 1000 kanji down and dicking around with an IRC kanji bot before delving into manga and subsequently, eroge.

Result: know multiple readings for about 3000 kanji, which means I can easily look up words without relying on programs AGTH should there rise a need.

I wouldn't recommend this though, as it might get a bit exhausting and monotonous in the long run. The "safest" and the most "secure" way for beginners is Heisig(?), I guess. But it doesn't teach you the readings, you have to pick them up by reading.

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