Anyone here looking forward to this shit? [spoiler]I know I'm not[/spoiler]

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Anonymous Sun Jul 24 12:18:45 2011 No.7657383 [Reply] [Original]

Anyone here looking forward to this shit?

I know I'm not

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 12:20:44 2011 No.7657386 >>7657383 Can't say I am.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 12:20:44 2011 No.7657387 Sorry, my kenji isn't that advanced

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 12:26:16 2011 No.7657405 >>7657387 Oh, you.

>>	Aya Shameful !I4IrJba9Qw Sun Jul 24 12:27:17 2011 No.7657408 Sorry, my seacats isn't that advanced

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 12:47:53 2011 No.7657466 it's the ps3 port of seacats

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 12:55:24 2011 No.7657501 >>7657466 Oh you. Wait, you were serious?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 13:05:24 2011 No.7657524 >>7657501 Bitch I'm always serious It's coming out this winter

>>	ネネーさん !OFS0VnvQYg Sun Jul 24 13:05:54 2011 No.7657528 Eps 1 -4 were great. The only good thing I can see about this is Erika, but that's not worth the RAGE I'll feel from reading the train wreck that is eps 5-8. Dropped.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 13:17:24 2011 No.7657554 File: 89 KB, 425x640, 1311527874961.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Weekly Penguindrum thread What are you working on? Have planned? Finished? Got cosplay photos? Anything is welcome.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 13:21:25 2011 No.7657560 Will pirate and read only for Chaotic Evil Bern.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 13:32:25 2011 No.7657586 inb4 alternate ending

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 13:38:29 2011 No.7657603 >>7657586 There better be an alternate ending Or else no-one is going to buy this shit. Let alone pirate it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 21:17:51 2011 No.7659091 >>7657603 This. Alchemist pulled crazy full retard shit with their Higurashi end, but now I am looking forward to that because Ryukishi fucked up Umineko so badly.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:08:42 2011 No.7660150

>>7657528
>The only good thing I can see about this is Erika, but that's not worth the RAGE I'll feel from reading the train wreck that is eps 5-8.

well. I liked EP5. Also (almost) every part with Bern and Lambda. But still, i'm not sure if i want to repeat that ever again. Unless
>alternate ending

>>7659091
this also

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 05:26:16 2011 No.7660313 And alternate ending would be nice. I don't even want another answer or shit, just an ending that doesn't shit on the reader. I don't have a PS3 so not looking forward to it anyways. But I hope it brings a Chiru anime, I want my animated Erika to fap.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 05:41:19 2011 No.7660343 The best thing about this will be the rest of the cast finally getting voice acting. Erika especially. Please be Mai Nakahara. Please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 06:07:51 2011 No.7660383 >>7660313 The ending is already perfect. If you can understand the concept of egregore, you can't dream of something better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 06:16:24 2011 No.7660397 File: 61 KB, 550x544, 1311588969689.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7660383 >The ending is already perfect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 06:37:27 2011 No.7660431 >>7660397 Actually the ending was the only decent part of ep viii

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 06:40:58 2011 No.7660441 >>7660313 >an ending that doesn't shit on the reader. I'm just curious, did you even read the episode completely or are just going but what people said?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 07:42:36 2011 No.7660607 File: 42 KB, 490x201, 1311594139626.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7660383 >>7660441 Oh, look, Ryuukishi apologists are still at it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 07:58:07 2011 No.7660632 I hope Alchemist will rewrite Chiru, at least the part where Ryu insults his readers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 08:30:15 2011 No.7660683 Source? Umine.co doesn't mention anything about this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 08:37:18 2011 No.7660702 >>7660632 He only insults the readers who didn't understand him. Your fault if you are one of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 08:48:18 2011 No.7660728 I hope it will be ripped. >>7660607 So you didn't read it. Gotcha.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 08:55:49 2011 No.7660743 Op is gay

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 08:55:49 2011 No.7660744

>>7660607
I'm not a Ryukishi apologist as I don't even like Umineko, but people seem to hate the ending for all the wrong reasons, probably because they don't even know what the ending actually is like. Episode 8 was one of the overall better episodes of Uminekoe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 08:57:51 2011 No.7660750 I couldn't stomach this shit any more with episode six

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 09:02:21 2011 No.7660756 I'll just watch the parts with Erika, Bern, and Lamba. I didn't want to admit it at first but, they became the only reason I wanted to see what would happen next.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 09:05:23 2011 No.7660763 >>7660744 > Episode 8 was one of the overall better episodes of Uminekoe. Oh come the fuck on. You're either a R07 apologist or you just have really bad taste.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 09:12:22 2011 No.7660776 >>7660763 the goat thing and hamfisted Hachijou commentary were painful to read, but that's not "episode 8", they're just a couple of scenes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 09:13:23 2011 No.7660777 >Meanwhile at witch hunt

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 09:14:23 2011 No.7660779 >>7660763 Taste is subjective. And while it's not one of the better episodes, at least it's better than 6.

>>	sage Sensei Mon Jul 25 09:40:31 2011 No.7660816 ITT: People with no self steem butthurting about ``Ryukishi insulted meeee!''.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 10:17:05 2011 No.7660883 No, EP 8 is the shittiest Umineko episode Yes I read all of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 10:17:34 2011 No.7660882 >>7660779 EP6 being arguably the worst Umineko episode, that's not a big achievement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 10:24:36 2011 No.7660893 People still care about seacats? I haven't even read ep8 and honestly I couldn't care less at this point. I'm sure reading it would only taint my image of the series even further.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 10:29:05 2011 No.7660900 >>7660882 That would be EP7 for me.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 11:14:10 2011 No.7661028

I only played the first half of the patch and i thought it was pretty shitty.

The part where Beato appeared was good and so were the nostalgia inducing part with Ange and Battler, but the rest was really shitty, especially the part where they act all friends or the Meta-Party. (that completely shit over all the other episodes characters interaction)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 11:22:11 2011 No.7661047 >>7660882 EP6 was one of the best. You just hated Shkanon and rejected it. If you liked it, the the finale of Erika vs. Beatrice the Lesser was excellent.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 11:29:12 2011 No.7661070
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>>7661047

Ep VI was a complete trainwreck.

Shkanonshit was a complete failure. It should have been emotional, but it turned in a annoying cocktease about the truth that people reject because it was stupid.

Featherine rants about the truth were annoying too, and the way she and Ange interrupted every fucking scene made me want to punch the wall.

Battler vs Erika should have been an epic battle, but instead we got one closed room and then derp.

The first part was slow and boring.

The only good parts were ALIVE and the ending

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 11:39:12 2011 No.7661083

>>7661047
>You just hated Shkanon and rejected it.
Nice projection bro. I found Shkanontrice pretty bad as plot device but I accepted it because it was obviously the solution intended by the author.
This issue aside, EP6 was simply badly written. The parts with Ange and Featherine were dreadful to read, just like most of the love duels which consist of the same few ideas hammered again and again ad nauseam.
Ryu should seriously consider to hire some decent editor.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 11:40:12 2011 No.7661084

>>7661028
>that completely shit over all the other episodes characters interaction
But that's the point, you retard. Battler intentionally shows Ange a sweet fairy tale about how everyone was happy and getting along. She doesn't want to accept it and demands the truth instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 11:41:42 2011 No.7661086 I know I am.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 11:53:15 2011 No.7661100 BT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 11:57:46 2011 No.7661107 >>7661084 I'm talking about the meta party, not the part with the Ushiromiya.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 11:59:49 2011 No.7661110 >>7661083 >pretty bad as plot device So why is it still good? How can you enjoy something bad? Are you some kind of tasteless faggot that treat tasteless food as good food because you paid too much for it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 12:00:18 2011 No.7661111 >>7661110 >calling other people tasteless faggots >browses /jp/ You're funny, you know that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 12:04:48 2011 No.7661115 File: 127 KB, 600x450, 1311609872758.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I loved 5 and 6. I hate Will. shittiest character ever written

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 12:06:48 2011 No.7661121 >>7661110 >So why is it still good? >How can you enjoy something bad? I don't consider Umineko to be good (except the music, which was awesome), it's average. No more no less.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 12:52:34 2011 No.7661311 >>7660728 I just came here randomly, saw some faggots defending Ryuu's masterpiece for the 954th time and had to comment on it. I'm not even the person you were talking to, smartass

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 13:38:32 2011 No.7661462 Remember when people thought ShKanontrice was just a troll theory? Good times

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 13:58:31 2011 No.7661516
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>>7661462
Yeah, it's been thrown around since EP2 and 3, but only as a "YEAH, LIKE THAT STUPID HORSESHIT WOULD HAPPEN AM I RIGHT GUYS."

And I am sure Japan was similar in that respect. When your readers not only guess the "twist" less than halfway through the series, but also universally admonish it as fucking dumb, perhaps you should go back to the drawing board and fabricate something a little better, considering you have roughly five episodes to do so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 15:29:49 2011 No.7661801 >>7661311 That just makes you even more retarded. Good job making a fool of yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 17:47:48 2011 No.7662414 >>7657383 Any screens or trailers? Looking forward to see Erika

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 17:55:47 2011 No.7662445 They HAVE to get Hikaru Midorikawa to voice Will; the role was practically made for him. I'm especially looking forward to the anime-style designs of odd-looking characters like Featherine and Dlanor...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 18:09:57 2011 No.7662491 To be honest the idea o a servant with split personalities isn't that horrible of an idea. It's jst that Ryukishi did it in such stupid way.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 18:19:37 2011 No.7662516

>>7662491

I think it's more that the 'truth' of the whole situation can only be seen after reading Ep8... honestly, I think Umineko would have been much better recieved had Ryukishi not gone on and on and on in interviews about how smart he was. Hell, the only real reason the Japanese don't like it is because it doesn't have lolis and high school girls everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 18:22:13 2011 No.7662530 >>7662516 >Hell, the only real reason the Japanese don't like it is because it doesn't have lolis and high school girls everywhere. You are fucking retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 18:26:10 2011 No.7662545 >>7662516 I never bothered with the interveiws, but I do know that he said people who never fell in love wouln't understand Yasu's motives. What other shit did he spew?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 18:28:39 2011 No.7662551 >>7662530 Given that a LARGE part of Higurashi's popularity extends from its characters, as we can see from that horrible new OVA series, I'd have to say that no, I'm not. KILLER LOLIS XDDDD

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 18:30:40 2011 No.7662558

>>7662545

Mostly a lot of shit about THE TRUTH and how 'difficult' it is to 'solve' Umineko.

The whole point was to fuel speculation and make people think the game was deeper than it actually was, although, to be fair, I doubt people would have thought of Shkannon without the hivemind that is the Internet to help them out.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 18:33:39 2011 No.7662566

>>7662551
Most of Higurashi's popularity come from the fact that it was originally a very niche doujin series.
It was "lifted" as they say to become what it is these days, same thing happened with Tsukihime and Touhou.

Umineko didn't have that since everyone know that R07 has more money than most VNs companies.

Otherwise there are plenty of popular VNs that don't have "lolis and high school girls everywhere".
And it's not like Umineko doesn't have that, there is a lot fanservice for both men and women in it.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 20:33:50 2011 No.7663087

I wish people would stop talking about popularity in such terms.

Higurashi was very popular and following it's success was always going to be difficult. Can you imagine Zun creating something as popular as Touhou a second time?

Type Moon got somewhat lucky. Success isn't guaranteed just because you created something popular.

There are a number of reasons why Higurashi did better than Umineko, not just lolis but honestly the cute character designs probably helped it a lot. The setting was more familiar and sympathetic to most people.

The big thing is the anime too. Conceptually, Umineko just doesn't transfer well without some major simplication. What made Umineko great was all the small details - that's part of what made Higurashi, the VN great too, but it wasn't necessary for "Higurashi" as a whole. Higurashi just transferred better into an anime, and was generally better overall.

The anime was still different from the VN, but a little closer and a good anime in it's own right.

Umineko is also a more niche concept from the beginning. How many japanese people know all that much about western mystery? Of course, Umineko isn't really just about mystery, it's about fiction in general, and the nature of concepts like love and fantasy, but people don't realise that off the bat, Episode 1 is pure murder mystery, it's not until Episode 3 the real scope of things hits you.

Umineko is just very western, and while Japanese people like "western" things I think having such a westernised setting *still taking place in Japan* may have been uncomfortable. I could be wrong on this of course.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 20:34:21 2011 No.7663090

Also, Umineko has not tanked or anything like it. Umineko has been consistently a high seller for it's duration. It's true sales dropped off a little as it went along, but there are a number of reasons for that. Personally I enjoyed 5-7 more or less as much as I enjoyed 1-4. Umineko as a VN has done quite well, it's just that it's failed as a wider media franchise, unlike Higurashi.

Yes, the ending sucked and it's a shame, but it's not as if it's the last we're going to see and there's still room for a true ending. R07 is a bit smug but I think people project a lot on him. That said, it's his own fault for pushing the BS Shkannontrice theory.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 20:48:50 2011 No.7663161
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>>7662445
>They HAVE to get Hikaru Midorikawa to voice Will; the role was practically made for him.
I agree. I was reading everything Will said in Midorikawa's voice.

Also, Kaori Shimizu for Gertrude please.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:09:08 2011 No.7664618

>>7663090
>Also, Umineko has not tanked or anything like it.

It is, however, widely hated among both Westerns and Japanese, although, as stated, it's more Ryukishi's fault than anything else.

His attitude during Umineko's run is an instructive lesson in how to become hated by your entire fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:19:13 2011 No.7664633 Can't you guys stop looking for excuse and just admit that Umineko didn't do well simply because it's BAD.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:32:41 2011 No.7664652

At this point, I'm wondering. How many of you actually read the VN Umineko no Naku Koro ni (ep1-4, not Chiru) instead of only watching the anime? Of those who did, how many read the VN BEFORE watching the anime?

>Of course, Umineko isn't really just about mystery, it's about fiction in general, and the nature of concepts like love and fantasy, but people don't realise that off the bat, Episode 1 is pure murder mystery, it's not until Episode 3 the real scope of things hits you.
The problem is, most people still seem to think of it as a pure murder mystery. Everybody's complaining about how Umineko is bad as the 'solution' is retarded...but that's just completely missing the point. Umineko isn't a murder mystery. It starts out like one, but it gradually becomes a very different story. Especially episode 5 makes this clear: Erika tries the default murder mystery approach to things, and fails horribly. That entire episode was a deconstruction of the generic murder mystery, and was meant to point out you aren't supposed to treat Umineko like that. Then again, back when the ep5 translation came out a lot of people were also rejoicing about how we finally got a 'competent detective' (Erika is my favorite character, but she failed as a detective there) and how we finally were 'getting some answers'...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:33:11 2011 No.7664655 >>7664633 Angel Beats did well and it was even worse than Umineko.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:35:10 2011 No.7664657 >>7663161 >I was reading everything Will said in Midorikawa's voice. By pinching your nose, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:36:41 2011 No.7664658 >>7664657 He actually does sound like that, if you were implying that he doesn't. Also, he's extremely fabulous.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:40:41 2011 No.7664664 >>7664655 Angel Beats was an anime with a lot of advertising. Next time you'll talk about Twilight or something? Stop looking for excuses.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:41:11 2011 No.7664667 >>7664652 No, the problem is that Umineko do both the meta-fictional part and the whole LOVE theme part really badly.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:46:11 2011 No.7664674

>>7664667
>No, the problem is that Umineko do both the meta-fictional part and the whole LOVE theme part really badly.

More like presented poorly, and the latter more than the former, really.

Most people HATED early Ep2 even though that is arguably one of the most important parts of the early game, and had it been presented better, I expect more people would have paid attention any time the word 'love' was mentioned.

Then again, a lot of people seem to just hate that kind of thing altogether.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:48:42 2011 No.7664677

>>7664652
The anime of umiunko is even worse than the piece of shit that is umiunko sound novel.
When the anime aired, I was still looking forward to W-H translation. Do you really know what pissed people off about umineko? It is how stupid the solution is and how he is trying to cover it up by going it is ALL FICTION.
Just because it is fiction, it isnt supposed to be retarded. Personality counting as an extra person? Wearing pads/wigs and makeup? I dont care how well you can change your voice or how well you can wear your makeup, it is kind of stupid how none of the 16people on the island not realizing it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:52:43 2011 No.7664682

>>7664677
>Personality counting as an extra person?

This needed more setup, I agree, although Ep3 mentions it.

>Wearing pads/wigs and makeup? I dont care how well you can change your voice or how well you can wear your makeup, it is kind of stupid how none of the 16people on the island not realizing it.

Actually, uh, thing is, none of that actually happened in 'reality'. In 'reality', there is only ONE servant, a flat-chested blonde named Sayo Yasuda, whose working name is Shannon. No breast padding or voice changing is involved.

You gotta understand that what is presented to the player is not necessarily what is actually true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:54:13 2011 No.7664686 >>7664677 >umiunko Stop that. Just, stop.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:54:44 2011 No.7664687

>>7664682
>Actually, uh, thing is, none of that actually happened in 'reality'. In 'reality', there is only ONE servant, a flat-chested blonde named Sayo Yasuda, whose working name is Shannon. No breast padding or voice changing is involved.

Congratulation, you didn't understand shit about Umineko and how it works.
It really did happen in the "real" version of the event.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 04:55:13 2011 No.7664692

>>7664682
>Actually, uh, thing is, none of that actually happened in 'reality'. In 'reality', there is only ONE servant, a flat-chested blonde named Sayo Yasuda, whose working name is Shannon. No breast padding or voice changing is involved.

>You gotta understand that what is presented to the player is not necessarily what is actually true.

You must be a fucking genius.
Might as well retconned everything from ep1 to ep6 since they are all fake.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:01:43 2011 No.7664696

>>7664687
>It really did happen in the "real" version of the event.

Nope. Sounds like you're the one who didn't understand 'Umiunko'.

>>7664692
>Might as well retconned everything from ep1 to ep6 since they are all fake.

Nah, while they ARE fake, keep in mind that they're presented as a story written by the culprit of the Rokkenjima Incident. The whole point is that while everything presented is a lie, there is true information contained within that can lead the reader to the correct conclusion.

Of course, you're just going to ignore me and continue to scream IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:02:13 2011 No.7664697 >>7664696 Seriously, you are retarded.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:04:14 2011 No.7664701

>>7664652
That's part of the reason for Umineko's dwindling fanbase. People were pulled in expecting it to be a mystery but got literally trolled for thinking so. This goes back to people's expectations from Higurashi. Hinamizawa Syndrome is arguably a cheap plot device, but everything fits together like a mystery.

I guess once you get over the fact that Umineko is not a mystery you might enjoy it for what it is.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:05:44 2011 No.7664702

>>7664696
>Of course, you're just going to ignore me and continue to scream IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT.
You dumbshit r07 cocksucker. Stop putting words into other people mouth.
I was being sarcastic to the guy that say that it isnt reality.
I already said why it was shit back in >>7664677
Fiction in a fiction is never a good plot device. Only dumbshit retards treat them as DEEP and meaningful.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:05:44 2011 No.7664703

>>7664697

See? You proved my point.

Instead of trying to engage in a real argument, you resort to insulting me, because you simply don't have anything else to say?

I realize that Ryukishi is a colossal faggot, but did he, like, kill your dog or something? That's the only thing I can think of that would cause you to hate a series THIS much.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:08:15 2011 No.7664709

>>7664701
>I guess once you get over the fact that Umineko is not a mystery you might enjoy it for what it is.

This, yeah.

I think what really made me realize what I had been doing wrong was these wall-of-text posts all the literaturefags made on AS after Ep8 came out, complaining about NOT MISSTERY.

I don't want to be like those people. I don't want to be associated with them. They're not capable of enjoying anything.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:08:44 2011 No.7664712

>>7664703
I don't want to go on an argument because it's been done thousands of time.
No point in trying to prove something to someone with no reading comprehension like you.
You didn't understand the very concept of Umineko and how it works, funny how you are the one who vehemently defends it.

My problem isn't with Ryuukishi, it's with you. GROW A BRAIN

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:09:15 2011 No.7664718

>>7664677
>When the anime aired, I was still looking forward to W-H translation.
Oh, come on. Most people were fine until the translation of ep6. Actually, it's good that it took WH so long to translate it. Then there were awesome ep7 predictions and spoilers.

>none of the 16people on the island not realizing it
You mean none of 11, 7 of which only come once a year and the rest are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:09:45 2011 No.7664713 >>7664702 Why are you so angry?

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:09:45 2011 No.7664716

>>7664703
No, I hated this series because I read it and thought it was bloody awful. Each episode was some sort of Clue bullshit where they change the murderer(s), victims, and murder weapons around while subjecting the audience to line after line of pointless meta within meta babble about the nature of the murders and whether this is mystery or fantasy, only to have the theme be that some things are better left unknown and that the audience would understand this if they had love.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:12:15 2011 No.7664720

>>7664713
I hate it especially when people misquote me and try to spew out lines that I didnt say like that whiteknight faggot did.
I dont care how much he enjoy the series since it is his opinions but faggots like him always go "you are stupid you dont understand anything that is why the series is shit to you".
They dont seem to understand that they are people that hate the series not because they dont understand it but because it is purely shit.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:12:15 2011 No.7664723

>>7664712

...I understood that everything is a fictional account of a real incident, and I understood that Shannon and Kanon are fictional characters created from the mind of a single deranged individual.

I came to the conclusion that she doesn't actually go around dressing in costume and pretending to actually BE Shannon or Kanon, because not only is that stupid but they appear to be completely different people especially considering the anime.

My viewpoint is contradicted nowhere and for that matter helps to clear up some of the more muddled parts of the text. Why am I wrong and why are you so very angry if I am?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:13:45 2011 No.7664725 >>7664716 Oh, wow. Maybe you shouldn't have forced yourself, if you hate it so much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:14:45 2011 No.7664726 >>7664709 If anything, at least people can agree that the character (design) and music are good. ...Reading people argue over the story is always entertaining too.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:15:46 2011 No.7664730

>>7664718
My point is that the anime is shit and him making excuses like "you watched the anime of course you think the series is bad".
I watched the first episode and dropped it when I realized they cut out the music and DEEN QUALITY.
Back then I am still enjoying the sound novel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:16:15 2011 No.7664734 >>7664720 >because it is purely shit. But this is an opinion. Your opinion. Were it not an opinion it would be universally agreed upon. It's not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:17:45 2011 No.7664741 >>7664734 Majority agree with me judging from the sales and EGS score. Congrats on being one of the few umineko fans left.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:18:15 2011 No.7664745

>>7664723
Then please tell me why Battler remember both Shannon and Kanon as separarte beings at the end of episode 8.
Please.

Only the 2 days are part of the cat box, we saw Shannon and Kanon as separate in flashbacks that even if they are fictional have to follow the "reality" of what happened.
That's the entire concept of Umineko.
Seriously, you are very stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:18:15 2011 No.7664746 >>7664741 Sales were always pretty good, as stated in this thread already. The EGS scores are largely because people hate Ryukishi, not because they hate Umineko. Majority opinions aren't truth, but majority opinion.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:22:17 2011 No.7664752
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>>7664709
Yeah, I got tons of good laughs reading those posts. It was painfully obvious after ep7 that the mystery is over, but some people really thought that Ryu would write some ingenious solution after that.
Pic related. It's me reading people's broken hopes.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:23:18 2011 No.7664754

>>7664725
People seemed to be really, honestly enjoying it. I continued on, hoping that maybe I was just missing something. At the very least, even if I didn't end up enjoying it, I could at least formulate coherent responses as to why I didn't particularly like it. If I would've voiced my dislike of it after mentioning that I dropped it (which I wanted to do in Episode 3), my opinions would've dismissed as out of hand because I wouldn't have actually read it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:23:46 2011 No.7664753 >>7664746 It sold something like 1/10 of Higurashi And saying something "The EGS scores are largely because people hate Ryukishi, not because they hate Umineko." prove how deep you are in your delusions

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:24:18 2011 No.7664756

>>7664745
>Then please tell me why Battler remember both Shannon and Kanon as separarte beings at the end of episode 8.

I haven't read Episode 8 but I'd have to see the context of this. He may just be doing Yasu a courtesy.

Either way Kanon wasn't created until LONG after Battler left for his grandparents', so she definitely wasn't playing any kind of switcheroo game until that point.

>Only the 2 days are part of the cat box, we saw Shannon and Kanon as separate in flashbacks that even if they are fictional have to follow the "reality" of what happened.

Nnnnnnope. Why on earth do flashbacks have to follow any kind of 'rules'? Where did you read this? Where does it say this in the game?

There isn't just one catbox, either. The catbox concept can be extended to any event involving two or more participants where only the participants are aware of the nature of the event.

>Seriously, you are very stupid.

...Why do you continue to insult my intelligence? Does my opinion threaten you that much?

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:25:18 2011 No.7664760
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>>7664754
>. If I would've voiced my dislike of it after mentioning that I dropped it (which I wanted to do in Episode 3), my opinions would've dismissed as out of hand because I wouldn't have actually read it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:27:16 2011 No.7664761 >>7664754 Dont worry. I read up to episodes7 and I want my wasted time back. I could have used those time to finish all my unfinished Kira Kira or SR routes.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:27:46 2011 No.7664762

>>7664756
>I haven't read Episode 8
Then maybe you should, before making theories and telling people that they don't understand something.

When Battler's memory returns to Tohya we see a flashback of all characters on Rokkenjima. Kanon and Shannon are both there.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:28:15 2011 No.7664764

>>7664752

People just seemed to feel so BETRAYED by the whole debacle, and while I admit to feeling the same for a while, I eventually learned to accept and enjoy Umineko for what it was.

It's a shame others can't do the same and have to try and loudly convince people in every thread how shitty they are for daring, DARING to like something they don't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:29:16 2011 No.7664766 >>7664762 >When Battler's memory returns to Tohya we see a flashback of all characters on Rokkenjima. Kanon and Shannon are both there. Oh, okay, that's basically meaningless then. Good to know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:29:16 2011 No.7664769 >>7664766 >THE ENDING IS MEANINGLESS BECAUSE I SAY SO And you wonder why I call you retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:29:45 2011 No.7664768 File: 151 KB, 705x1000, 1311672554475.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7664752 I think this calls for a Bern image thread. ...but sadly that would out-spam these wonderful arguments about the game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:31:15 2011 No.7664771 >>7664769 No, I mean that Shannon and Kanon's appearance there means nothing. Why you're so hung up about so little as that that I don't even know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:35:48 2011 No.7664780 >>7664764 Yeah, I've felt pretty damn bad during and after ep6 and ep7 Shkannontrice parts. So much that I too started to denounce it here for a while. But then somehow I stopped caring and was just enjoying it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:37:18 2011 No.7664784

>>7664771
You are like an autistic kid, no matter how much people will try to teach you things it won't work, right?

Well let's say that Yasu never did her ShKanon shennanigan in the reality, let follow your logic.

In the same way I could say that the ShannonxGeorge and KanonxJessica never happened, right?
Let's go even further, George was actually an alpha male and Battler was jealous of him, Kyrie was a very nice woman, Natsuhi was completely sane, Maria was completely normal.

Nothing to dispove this, right? After all everything was a fiction.
Or do you have some special power that allow you to realize what is true or not?

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:40:17 2011 No.7664787

>>7664784
>In the same way I could say that the ShannonxGeorge and KanonxJessica never happened, right?

It's more likely she was fucking Jessica behind George's back, yes.

>Let's go even further, George was actually an alpha male and Battler was jealous of him, Kyrie was a very nice woman, Natsuhi was completely sane, Maria was completely normal.

These are possible, yes, but completely unsupported by the text. There's no reason for those things to be true.

>Or do you have some special power that allow you to realize what is true or not?

Well, that's simple, I actually paid attention rather than deciding to hate everything.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:41:48 2011 No.7664788

>>7664764
>It's a shame others can't do the same and have to try and loudly convince people in every thread how shitty they are for daring, DARING to like something they don't.
Nope I post and insult umiunko when I see faggots go you only hate umiunko because you are stupid and dont understand the story.
I understand the story and that is why I hate it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:42:17 2011 No.7664790 >>7664780 This is pretty much the standpoint I think everyone should take. It's like a pulp novel with engaging characters and atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:45:17 2011 No.7664795 >>7664787 Oh wow. Sorry but I quit, I'm not a kindergarten teacher. You should do something about your lack of intelligence though.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:46:48 2011 No.7664796
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To clear things up:

-Yasu did crossdress (well, depending on whether you can call that crossdressing, since his/her gender is completely ambiguous). She also pretended to be Beatrice. Yes, she had quite a few mental problems. The only people being on the island all the time were Krauss, Natsuhi and Jessica, the former two of which only knew her as 'one of the many servants'; only Jessica was actually tricked. Genji and Kumasawa were probably also on the island very often, but they knew about Yasu.
-You can't judge episodes 1-6 as black and white 'true' or 'false'. That's the entire point of episode 8. They are truth mixed with fiction, especially ep3-6.
-Episode 1 and 2 were written by Yasu, not 'the culprit'. Who the culprit is is unknown, but it's not Yasu. The rest of the episodes were written by 'forgers', outside people who fictionalized the Rokkenjima incident using real information and speculation. Auau is one of these forgers.
-Back when Umineko was still in its original arcs (note that they aren't called 'question' and 'answer' like Higurashi, but rather Chiru is called 'core' as it's not about answers), pretty much everybody agreed that Higurashi isn't a mystery. "Everything fit together like a mystery" is complete bullshit when the asspull BRAIN PARASITES were only revealed in the second answer arc. Umineko is more of a mystery than Higurashi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:47:18 2011 No.7664798 >>7664795 ...Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:49:48 2011 No.7664802

>>7664788
>faggots go you only hate umiunko because you are stupid and dont understand the story
Well, you have to admit that there ARE tons of faggots who don't understand the story one bit and bitch about something that isn't a story's fault, but only their.
It has many flaws, sure, but when people blame it for what it's not you have to tell them that they are retards.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:51:48 2011 No.7664806

>>7664796
>The only people being on the island all the time were Krauss, Natsuhi and Jessica, the former two of which only knew her as 'one of the many servants'; only Jessica was actually tricked.

Natsuhi and Krauss knew exactly who they were. Read the beginning of Ep5 again.

There are just so many things wrong with the idea of Yasu pretending to be two people at once that it's simply easier to assume that it never happened.

Besides, Battler wouldn't have recognized Shannon at all, were that the case.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:52:49 2011 No.7664810

>>7664802
>there ARE tons of faggots who don't understand the story one bit
There is a guy in here that didnt read ep8 and doesnt understand the story 1bit but he is busy defending umiunko.
I didnt even insult him or post any replies directed at him.
I only want to clear up the misconception that all umiunko haters are stupid people that dont understand the story. Guess who else act like this, your fabolous writer ryukishi. Umiunko went to shit after BT died.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:53:18 2011 No.7664811 >>7664796 >The rest of the episodes were written by 'forgers', outside people who fictionalized the Rokkenjima incident using real information and speculation. Auau is one of these forgers. Specifically, 3-4 are written by Hachijou and 5-8 by Tohya.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:55:49 2011 No.7664816 >>7664788 >I understand the story and that is why I hate it. Maybe you should, you know, move on to something you like?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:56:48 2011 No.7664817 ...okay, so where does Battler come in to all this?

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 05:58:49 2011 No.7664820
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>Let's go even further,

>George was actually an alpha male and Battler was jealous of him
Probably not. There would be no reason to fictionalize him like that, other than during that one scene in episode 4 where, yes, he was fictionalized as a kickass character.

>Kyrie was a very nice woman
Entirely possible, although unlikely due to a probably sketchy history (they must've gotten those ideas from somewhere) and the whole Battler thing, which is an established fact.

>Natsuhi was completely sane,
Very possible. We don't know for sure whether Yasu falling off a cliff was an intentional act by Natsuhi. She might have directly tried to murder her, but it might as well been an actual accident that has just been fictionalized like that.

>Maria was completely normal.
Most likely this is actually true. There is no reason for her being THAT creepy. Most likely it's an exaggeration of her actual interest in the occult done to make the tale more interesting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 06:04:49 2011 No.7664839 >>7664816 Who's to say that he hasn't? Or is he only permitted to discuss things that he likes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 06:14:49 2011 No.7664859 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VuN3pAIvoU Not really rondo related, but I'm not gonna make a new thread for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 06:54:58 2011 No.7664936 >>7664859 What's with the creepy Rosa in the beginning Is she the last boss?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 07:13:58 2011 No.7664971 >>7664936 Isn't that just in Episode 2?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 04:12:32 2011 No.7668631 >>7664971 nah dude nah

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