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[Anonymous No.]

I need a new monitor, and honestly, Touhou is the deciding factor.

I have it narrowed down to two monitors.

ASUS VW246H
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236049

or

Asus ML239H
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=308864&CatId=5469

Response time vs. colour quality, it seems. I'm no expert, but it seems like if 3ms of response time would make a difference anywhere to anybody, it would be to danmaku players.

I'm open to suggestions about other monitors, but it may be very difficult for me to find them. Unless they're available in Canada, it's not worth it to try getting them... getting clipped with a $100 customs fee would be a bad end.

["iluvOP !ge9bznqAsg No.]

Id say go with the color quality.

[Anonymous No.]

Grab an UltraSharp U2211H when it's on sale every other week. Enjoy glorious IPS. U2311H if you can afford it. Response time only comes into play for ghosting and shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638433

The latter monitor is an IPS as well, and I have read that it's a similar, if not identical panel to the one in that Dell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638438
Did not notice. Then, just grab the IPS.

[Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y No.]

>>7638438
Sometimes Dell.ca will have specials on the UC monitors, you might be able to get the 23" for cheaper than $250 if you don't mind waiting.

[Anonymous No.]

Get a 120 hz monitor instead.

[Anonymous No.]

Response time is not input lag is not input lag is not input lag is not input lag. You are not going to ever notice 3ms difference in response time either. LED is big bonus. The ML doesn't have speakers but who gives a fuck. The stand has better support from the looks of it.

On the other hand the VW has a bunch of extra features that are all utterly useless besides the wall mounting which you don't actually need anyways.

I still can't tell the difference between all the DCRs and it pisses me off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638445

I have one. You cannot save Tohuou replays with a refresh rate above 60hz.

>>7638451

Even with Touhou?

I am on an IPS monitor right now... will the colours just look awful if I switch to the TN panel (VW246H, the first one linked)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638460
Might I ask why you need another monitor when it seems you're already very well-equipped?

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>7638451
>Response time is not input lag
How exactly do you figure the distinction?

[Anonymous No.]

The difference between 2 and 5 ms is really unnoticeable, and will have little effect in the games. You're own reflexes aren't fast enough to be affected by 3ms. Contrast ratios are always a gimmick. That's all I can really say about that. LED displays always seem to have an insanely high contrast ratio. I would suggest the 2nd monitor, OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638460
3ms is nothing. Even if you could react in one frame's time, that's still 17ms. Deathbomb time is more around 100ms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638472
I believe the 2ms response time is GTG, which is a bullshit measurement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638460
I use a 120hz display myself. My replays save fine.

>>7638485
Both are measured in GTG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638466

Because I can't save Touhou replays on that monitor.

GTG is bullshit? Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638480
>>7638472

Even though that's right, on average seeing 3ms sooner means you will react 3ms sooner on average. If deathbomb time is 100ms, it would increase your chance to do it by about 3%.

Not saying it matters in practice, just being a bit technical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638499
GTG is grey-to-grey transition, which is most commonly used because it shows low numbers. The black-white-black transition is what you need, which is usually between 10 and 20 ms, no matter the GTG response. In any case, 10 ms GTG and less will not show any noticeable difference. Though once you get above 16ms, you may notice it if your eyes are really good. Though I do not see why you would want to go down from a 120hz display to a 60hz display.

[Anonymous No.]

I have an HP LP2475w and it suc- well, not really, but I expected more from that IPS thing. Should've gone with VA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638468
Oh boy, I figured you'd reply. Compliment.

Input lag in its entirety is how much (dynamic) time it takes for your button press to be registered by the keyboard, transferred, then interpreted by the game and displayed. This can be caused by latency problems with the keyboard, but more often than not is an inherent problem with LCD technology as a whole. I know what you're getting at, since if the monitor takes longer to display the game screen per frame then naturally you perceive it with that lag and act accordingly, but it really is not input lag unless you really want to call it that. Unless the response time is over 17ms on a 60Hz, it is indistinguishable from any other lower response time and has no effect on your game. The real problem with LCD is why you might commonly hear people raving about CRT monitors and to a lesser extent plasmas. It's generally due to extra processing such as interpolating, resolution scaling to native, converting from analog to digital, and even manufacturer security like DRM and HDCP. Now, even though this is the biggest factor in input lag nowadays, most new LCD monitors use algorithms to decrease the latency as much as possible, and usually the lag doesn't affect gaming whatsoever; exceptions being if you're somehow doing several things that make the game and GPU not agree with the monitor. HDTVs however are still giant whores in the input lag department unless you defecate money for your TV and know what you're buying.

As a side note, some manufacturers choose their response time based on grey->grey (G2G) pixel change time instead of black->white->black, or they take the best response instead of average or worse, and sometimes they don't even have an accurate speed.

[Anonymous No.]

I've bought a 16/10 22' Iiyama months ago, mainly for the response time/input delay. According to this review: http://www.digitalversus.com/iiyama-prolite-b2206ws-p357_5093_50.html, it's as reactive as a CRT input lag-wise.

From what I've seen, most screens have an input lag of about 30ms, or slightly less than 2 frames. Some TVs can go above 80ms. I'm not going to talk about GTG, because I haven't understood it fully and don't want to tell anything wrong about it.

Gameplay-wise, IMO you should just bother about dodging screens with a 30+ms input lag. A 1f/16ms difference is something that most people wouldn't care about, and even for the most serious fighting game players, it's easily overlooked. They would start complaining about a 2/3f delay however. Because, say you already have a 3f input lag because of a netplay lag, the thing would add on top of that...

tldr: You probably won't care about the input lag as long as it's below 30ms. It's good to have low/no delay, but prioritize other things, unless you're a maniac.

[Anonymous No.]

I have an Asus VW266H, which appears to be similar to the VW246H except bigger and higher resolution. I am very satisfied with it, and would buy the same one again if I had to do it over. The only people who had problems with the color quality are the ones who were too stupid to figure out how to adjust the settings. Even the default settings weren't too bad, really. Granted, I'm not a graphics artist, but I am fairly picky.

My only complaint is that the viewing angle could be better, but it's still better than most of the low- to midrange displays I've seen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7638628

You and everyone on Newegg, it seems. The fact that it has 5 'eggs' and over 1000 people saying good things about it gives me more confidence than the ML239H.

Has anyone tried Touhou on both TN and IPS panels?

When I tried my Samsung 120hz monitor, which was a fairly expensive TN panel monitor, I was disappointed with the colours on Touhou even after calibration. It just looked washed out. It looked so much better on my NEC IPS, which is now 5 years old.

This was a big gameplay issue for me. I noticed with the better colours, particularly the better contrast, it became a lot easier to dodge things. I became aware of them sooner because the colours were more vivid.

Still hopelessly confused. Hoping to read more thoughts on the issue so I can know more to make a decision.