CD & GID General

[Anonymous No.]

What have you done recently to bring yourself closer to being the little girl, /jp/?

I have an appointment with my psychiatrist today. There wont be too much time to talk because he is usually quite busy and fully booked. As a shy hikikomori I'm afraid I will continue to put it off and be unable to talk about GID or anything important. Is being a man about it the only way to become a little girl?

It would be much easier if one of you could build a microwave time machine.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just going to wait until I die, I figure any attempts to change my gender now will result in a less than perfect result, I'd rather not spoil the experience with the limits of modern science.

[Anonymous No.]

will you actually tell him you want to be a little girl? even he gets your on stuff you won't become a "little" girl, at most you'll be a woman. it seems like this is a joke or troll thread since you've got a fixation on being a little girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>randomly get severe hormone imbalance
>look like girl

I guess I'm incredibly lucky. I also look atleast a few years younger than I actually am.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7589336
I'm pretty childish and naive like that. I think it's like how man child doesn't actually refer to an adult that is still a child.

I made the appointment to purposely discuss it but it's hard to voice it and harder to place the correct relevance behind it.

I did tell my old psychiatrist about eight years ago but he said I had to tell my mother, who is a hipster idiot. Then I got disability, moved out, dropped out of school, became a hikki, never told anyone and forgot about it because of >>7589325 reasons and distracted myself with stuff like games and anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7589358
For my entire life I've been told that I look older than I actually am. Someone recently told me that I look like I'm 28. I just turned 21. I don't let it bother me. The thing that bothers me are people who think they look young, so they try to grow their facial hair and end up looking like idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7589456
man child is an insult that refers to an adult male as having the psychological immaturity of a child with the physical maturity of an adult. it's true people address women as "little girl" sometimes, but it's also an insult when they're obnoxious, immature, and ignorant.

like if a woman wanted to become a man they wouldn't say they want to become a man child. i think it's perfectly fine you want to become a female, but physically and psychologically you can't reverse yourself into being little.

it just feels like you're insulting yourself. it seems like most people who have a fixation on being a "little girl" never go through with it. you'll have to come to terms with what comes after when you realize you aren't little and you're simply a female.

the order of stuff you described is different, but i'm in a similar place minus the gid. i wish i could give you a hug, though.

[Anonymous No.]

You should've sent D-mail telling your mom to eat vegetables when she was carrying you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7589514
i forgot to add women are good at "just doing it". you don't need to man up to get the courage to go. just go and deal with it as it comes along.

[Anonymous No.]

It's difficult if you don't have the right genetics to begin..

[spoilers];_;[/spoilers]

[Anonymous No.]

Why dont you go and watch hokuto no ken, it causes the opposite effect than the rest of anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7589514
Yeah, I'm immature like that. I mean I can't talk about serious stuff without making lighter of it than it actually is.

[Anonymous No.]

I only go out to play AE at the arcades wearing a long hoodie, shorts + kneesocks. I hide my face from other players because I don't want them to see my face, even though I look like a 19-year old girl.

People are wondering who might I be because I play a very good Juri. I once refused a handshake from a guy who gave good games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7589625
>AE
You should feel lucky he even wanted to touch you.

[Anonymous No.]

OP, you may be a little girl at heart but your exterior will never reflect that perfectly. it took me a long time to accept that. it doesn't mean you can't enjoy being carefree and doing little girl things, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7589625

Ricky!?

[Anonymous No.]

I've tried taking the psychiatrist step several times, but I'm way too awkward and shy to do it. Guess I'll just be shaving my legs and crying myself to sleep until I die.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't worry anon I'm actually studying robotic. My goal is to make a perfectly viable cyborg body for everyone that can afford it. You'll be the little girl in no time anon. (If you can pay 800.00$)

[Anonymous No.]

>>7590035
Ricky doesn't look like a 19 year old girl. In fact he's ugly as shit.

[Anonymous No.]

I know we have a fair share of people here complaining about large bodies and manly faces. But.. Have any of you tried? I'm a little curious whether it's fulfilling at all to just try to get as close as you can, accepting that you will never be a little girl, but still doing what little you can and settle for looking yourself in the mirror, instead of setting your goals way too high like wanting to go out in public without causing any suspicion.

I also hear that some people find it cute when a guy tries, but still doesn't look like a perfect girl, so I kinda wonder what it takes to satisfy these people.

[Anonymous No.]

>You'll be the little girl in no time anon. (If you can pay 800.00$)

Only 80000$?! All my money. Take it.

[Anonymous No.]

The only cure is massive amount of Kenshiro and Guts. But you might went full GAR for them and ended just like regular gays. Actually, there is no way to cure you from your hate of 3d girls.

[Anonymous No.]

there are no such thing as ugly traps..
only traps that dont know proper makeup and dressup

[Anonymous No.]

Well I'm back and it was pretty awkward. Partly a problem is that some previous stuff was rushed and not noted properly so there was already an idea I was either making something up or imagining. I couldn't bring myself to tell him but I did explain that I had a long term problem and didn't feel comfortable talking about it. At first he thought I might be feeling psychotic or suicidal. I'm so pathetic, and he's a busy man, so I'm pretty much wasting his time when he could be helping people...

I was able to get another appointment in three weeks. He asked if I could write down what was bothering me if I couldn't talk about it.

>>7589563
I like manly stuff too. I used to watch way more manly stuff as a child even though I've had screwed up gender ideas since I was five.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7590149

There is also a difference between a crossdresser and a trap. The trap is kinda like the "evolution" of the crossdresser. A trap IS a boy that can be mistaken for a girl pretty easily. A ugly trap looks like a ugly girl not like a boy. That's not true for the crossdresser.

[Anonymous No.]

>I'm so pathetic, and he's a busy man, so I'm pretty much wasting his time when he could be helping people...

Wow, wait. You're paying this motherfucker to help you there is no need to feel guilty or what. And by helping other people you mean listenning to housewife under 50 years problems like feeling like their shitty husband don't like them and their children are liberal faggots? If your psy give you the impression that you waste his time just change of psy.

[Anonymous No.]

I've become a little older, so I can die sooner and be reborn as a little girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7590132
I really do like manly stuff a lot. Ken, Guts, Arnold's Conan, Manowar, Layton, and other stuff. But I don't any inclination to emulate such strong male figures.

>>7590053
>>7590042
>>7589325
Seriously considering taking what available options you can seems to be a difficult step because the methods are less than perfect and might leave you even more messed up. But doesn't a little part of yourself still ask what if? What has really been eating at me the last couple of years is the strengthening of masculine traits, which could still be stopped or in some cases reversed if I act soon.

I feel that maybe halting masculine development might be infinitely more preferable than just letting it be, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7590261
I'm opposed to doing anything permanent when I consider how it would look when I'm 40+ years old.

[Anonymous No.]

This seems like the most appropriate place to ask, can anyone recommend a good epilator?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7590164
Try getting a female therapist its easier to talk to someone of the gender you identify with.

Also I want to look like Nong Poy how hard do you think that would be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7590261
so, let's say that i'm one of those guys who in a way or another emulate those characters, but secretly found traps extremely likeable, still liking females too. this make me what? I'm confus.

[Anonymous No.]

I tried crossdressing at beginning of the year, and seriously picked the worst fucking time for it. Since it was cold outside, none of the stores had any cute clothes, so I just bought some used ones(which didn't really look that good). Anyway, I was set on doing this, so I shaved all of my body hair and tried on some clothes.
Sure. Stockings and stuff felt amazing, but day after that I found out that my body hair grows back way too fast. It would be just too much of a bother, so I stopped quick.

[Anonymous No.]

how do you tell if you could be a passable trap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7591154
Dress up and look at yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't the exterior aesthetics just quite the swapping of attire? Wouldn't you really concern yourself with adapting the mindset of a girl before buying frills?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7591127
You should try epilating.
Lasts longer, and the hair comes back softer and finer.

Also, winter clothes can be cute, asshole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/soc/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7591711
Isn't it because we want to physically look like a girl that we have a similar mindset?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7591767
I've seriously given up on the idea. Not to menton that compared to light build and fair skin I had in Winter, now I have uneven tan and noticable muscles due to working whole summer outdoors.
>Also, winter clothes can be cute, asshole.
Not the kind they sell in Finland backwoods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7591711
Well there are 2 camps on /jp/. Those who just crossdress as a hobby, and those that are actually interested in hormones and whatnot. This thread seems to be about both of them. And then there are those of us in the grey area who are just fucking confused about what we really want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7591767
When you mention epilating you shouldn't forget the disclaimer that it doesn't work on everyone and can really fuck your skin up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7591860
Honestly, I've never heard of such cases.

Just, wash, epilate, exfoilate, and you shouldn't have problems.
I guess if you fear ingrown hairs, try it on your leg or something easily hidden first, but all the scare cases I've heard were essentially the same as shaving dry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7591874
Maybe your skin is just naturally nice, but there have been a fair number of horror stories that roll around whenever /jp/ discusses epilation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7591880
>>7591874
Skin is not just naturally nice. It can be nicer, but it still requires a certain amount of work to maintain it especially later on.

Various forms of epillation depend on your skin type, so you should check what matches you and go with that. Follow the correct procedures and you shouldn't have too much of a problem.

In the case of permanent skin damage you can also say that growth of continually thicker hair in larger quantities will also have a drastic effect on the skin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7592639
>In the case of permanent skin damage you can also say that growth of continually thicker hair in larger quantities will also have a drastic effect on the skin.

You can say that again. I've ruined myself with too much traditional shaving, everywhere except my arms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7592639
>>7592713
umm... correct me if im wrong.. but i dont think shaving results in thicker hair..

i usually just do a bit of both.. i tweeze the thicker ones and shave the rest..

also, how does one shave their ass hair? i've tried it a few times but i never got a clear enough view of it to do it properly...

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of skin, what is a good way to improve it? Reduce acne, smooth out the color, etc?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7592850
eat well
sleep early
get maximum of 15 minute of sunlight per day

alternatively, you can burn your cash on skin care products that may or may not work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7592713
>>7592807
It's a conspiracy by the shaving companies that make at least 10$ annually from every male on the planet.

But regardless, not destroying a hair at the root and leaving the follicle unmolested will result in the natural process of hair thickening over time.

>how does one shave their ass hair? i've tried it a few times but i never got a clear enough view of it to do it properly...

You have to get in touch with professionals, dermatoligists or some place that specializes in hair removal. The anal region is pretty delicate, prone to contamination and you will run the risk of ingrowing hairs if you try it yourself.

Complications may lead to the need for surgery and you will be unable to sit down properly for months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7592866
Skin care products have the added bonus of making you feel extra girly.

[Anonymous No.]

How many of you have actually been able to confess to other people that you wish you were a girl? Your family? Doctors? Friends?

I feel I can only talk about it with you /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't changed at all since I was about 13 or so, and although I don't actually want to be a little girl, shaving my legs and putting dresses on is kinda fun, I have to admit.

[Anonymous No.]

I totally would dress up as a girl but Im pretty sure that Im to tall.... 6' 7" tall.....feels bad man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7592982
I considered telling my sister several times just to get it off my chest, but I'm too much of a coward. You are my only outlet, /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7592982
spitting image of me in the middle there.

[Anonymous No.]

Not much. I kind of want to try the whole crossdressing thing seriously, kind of don't. I've got the tips, but I'm not sure if I actually want to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7592982
>>7593601

Yeah, I can't talk about it except on /jp/ either.

And I want to trap in private eventually, but right now I live with my parents and I'd be too afraid of someone finding my shit. It still won't be the same as being the little girl, either. That anon working on turning us into robo-lolis better come through.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7593624
> I'd be too afraid of someone finding my shit
I agree with this, but for some reason, I've been able to thus far sneak in and hide a tank of helium for a while now. And by sneak it, it was shipped to my front door by FedEx and my mother said I had a package.

So you should reevaluate that particular fear, if nothing else.

[Anonymous No.]

If you order from Japan your parents will probably be turned away by all the moonrunes on the package and won't look for words like COSPLAY SWIMSUIT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7593642
Suicide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7593633

...Helium? I guess I'm not really up on crossdressing stuff. What is that for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7593642
voice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7593646
>>7593757
I don't think regular consumption of helium is healthy. Does it even give you a more feminine voice?

[Anonymous No.]

Don't use helium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbaj4tIX1kw

[Anonymous No.]

>>7596214
No, seriously, it's for suicide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7593640
Out of pure curiosity, do you have any recommendation for a cute-looking swimsuit that can be ordered online ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7596603
I don't have any experience with swimsuits. I'm not really sure how cute you can look in a swimsuit in real life with a less than perfect figure.

Maybe a one-piece would look nicer? I think a bikini probably shows off too much. I'm not really keen on showing too much flesh though...

[Anonymous No.]

Any advice on clothing measurements?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7593554
I look...close to somewhat decent at 6'9 when I take pictures very carefully to hide that I'm a giant. And my makeup sucks. Clothes aren't that much of a problem, it's just shoes that are an issue. It's doable as long as you only want to interact with the internet and yourself. If you dress around someone else it doesn't work at all.

[Anonymous No.]

So, I kind of want to try this out, kind of don't. Should I go for it? The only way I could see myself liking it is if I did it seriously, but I'm not sure if I could take that risk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7597935
There is no harm in at least trying it out once. The feeling of freshly shaved legs is amazing, and I was giddy the first time I put on a skirt.
>>7597855
Most online clothing shops have instructions on how to measure. My mother had a flexible measuring tape for sewing so I could use that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7598151

I guess. I just don't want to spend too much on something I might not like. I'm somewhat interested but I'm still unsure if I should do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7597855
If you're going with female sizes you have to use measurements slightly larger on the upper torso than they actually are. Male shoulders are wider than females, but they also have more depth and are often more curved. Male chests are also on average larger than females which can give you some misleading numbers, but the size comes from more rigid mass like muscle and skeleton than from fat and mammary glands, which are more malleable. It is very important to get proper room in clothes right around the lower half of the ribcage, which unless you have a rib or two surgically removed, will be larger than female counterparts. You should imagine that your chest extends down to just before your stomach, that only leaves a small window for curvature.

So the torso of female costumes are like this \ / but your torso is more like this [ ] which means that the bottom corners of that rectangle will overlap and stick out of the lower end of the triangle. Restrictive outfits wont fit as well... I think if you add about up to 5% to your shoulder length you will be able to accommodate the differences in shape more easily. As for the chest-hip-waist measurements you should be more careful. It is probably more conservative to puff your chest out before loosely taking your chest measurements. Then take a measurement in the same way with puffed out chest on the lower end of your ribcage, add it up to your chest measurement and divide that by two. Then take your waist measurement and add it together with that average of your chest measurements, and divide that by two for your waist measurement. Or you could just puff out your stomach a lot or add one or two inches to it... But the point is you need room to squeeze into pretty frilly dresses and you either need something made for males or give slightly bulkier measurements than your true ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7598170
Well starting with just stockings/skirt/panties is cheap enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7598196

I guess. I don't have any money right now though. I'll probably have to wait a few months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7597935
>>7598170
How old are you? Depending on your age and where you are in life I think the answer is probably going to be a lot different.

If you are a teen then you will get the best results now than if you wait too long, but the curiosity might just get worse than before.

If you are around 5-10 years past puberty then I think you are really at a do or die moment, where everything will gradually become more and more masculine, permanently.

After that, you kind of missed the boat. But that doesn't mean you can't enjoy life that kind of life if you have a lot of self confidence, which you probably don't because you post on /jp/ so you are fucked. Several irredeemably masculine features will have taken hold of your body that will ruin the experience and can only be slightly alleviated by tens of thousands of dollars and years of all sorts of treatments.

Er, this goes just as much for crossdressing as MtF I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7598243

I'm in my younger twenties. The only real problem I have is lots of hair and a masculine face, but even with those I still kind of want to try it anyways. I don't know why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7598272
There are still several things you can do. For example hormones will reassign fat, for example to round out your face. It will also thin out your body hair and slow down severe changes like pattern baldness and increased body hair.

You can also pluck your eyebrows to create more space between each brow and then pluck the underside of the brows to create a more feminine shape. Because brows between the sexes are essentially positioned the same but in males they are thicker and extend far lower.

Parting your hair from the side and across the brow will also help to give a more feminine shape. Parting down the center accentuates a longer masculine shape.

Wearing hair or a wig down to your neck will also help to hide the thicker masculine muscles around your neck.

Hair can also be removed at clinics and salons, over the counter pharmacy products, epilation, and shaving.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7598392

I see. I might try some of that, although I probably won't go into the hormones thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking thick hair, why. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>7598170
>>7598401
Oh and take note or the differences between male and female shoulders. I think most people can achieve a better feminine shape by pushing their shoulders slightly higher and back.

Female eyes often seem larger and rounder too so don't let yourself look half-asleep.

To fake more mass around your cheeks you could try smiling instead, which will push or pull the muscle/fat up to your cheekbones.

Do NOT lift your brow up or excessively arch an eye open or you will look like a cheap 90's tranny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7598469

Okay then, thanks for the tips. If I ever really do find that I like this sort of thing, I'll keep those in mind.

[Anonymous No.]

Most of these steps are overboard for someone just looking to dress up in their room. But for those looking to actually try and pass in public, keep in mind - people see what they expect to see. If they see a person in a skirt, they tend to not notice the broad shoulders, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

I actually look like a girl now and I am supposed to be on testosterone to fix my hormonal imbalance and give me more manly features. I am just too lazy, I have 0 interest in cross-dressing or becoming a little girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7598640
Why would you even be interested in being a girl if you're trying to be more or a man?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7597855
just buy an extra large female cloth and resize it to your needs.. its not that difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7599243
The problem with that is sometimes the extra large is too large?

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder where all the more extrovert and showy traps are, it's even summer time too, and they usually have some input or just show off their socks.

Does summer /jp/ still like the shy and boring kind or the Yukiatsu ones?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7599573
which is why you need to resize it...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7599616
>I wonder where all the more extrovert and showy traps are
>>/soc/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7599616
I like the 2D kind. This is /jp/, not /camwhores/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7599616
In the army.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7599682
Isn't he supposed to be getting out soon? Time sure does fly by.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7599688
In November iirc.

[Anonymous No.]

If legs are often the best asset then what is the best kind of leg wear?

I know some have gotten tights and pantyhose with varying success, but I prefer socks. Does anyone have any good socks recommendations?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm wearing panties right now.

[Anonymous No.]

It's hot so just wearing a t-shirt and skirt.

[Anonymous No.]

You know I was forced into a situation with a lot of people today after months of isolation but I had the time to observe a lot of different bodies.

In general women really do have smaller figures/bones, but not all of them. Some men can be petite too, or lanky but small bone structure, and girls can have broad shoulders and larger neck muscles.

But it's still a masculine marker we could do without...

[Anonymous No.]

Losing weight, after years of being fat.
Lost something like 14 pounds in the last month and a half, without any real effort.
Would be more if I hadn't started needlessly experimenting with my diet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7604186
Don't lose too much, you require fat to pad out your skeleton.

[Anonymous No.]

Sometimes it feels like thinking about this stuff is making me go crazy. I wonder if it's just me though...

For example an acute memory loss when it comes to GID related stuff, and being unable to fill in some blanks as well as some deja vu. I wonder if anyone else has that or if they always just know what they know 100% of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

So even masculine men and slobs in their twenties and thirties can transition with varying degrees of success.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSBEt2JdjOw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlk3nNya93M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAJBpXgN94Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlRdvfx9DdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLvpFh4vyQE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p52kfhZa-Qs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBdE5P84kMI

I'm still pretty much on the fence right now. But it seems from what I saw in other videos that people that wait until 30 and older have a high risk of developing severe neurosis, psychosis, and generally impaired mental functions. Lingering masculine artifacts seem to be more common with older transitioners which probably explains why they seem to try harder, fixate on large breasts, and other supposedly unmistakable markers of femininity.

Meanwhile teenage transitioners seem far more relaxed, casual about their experiences, and it appears less like they are pretending to be the opposite gender, and more like they are that gender with just a few technicalities in the way. I'm pretty much still on the fence and wish I decided to started thinking more seriously about it in my early to mid-teens but we didn't have youtube or wikipedia back then.

Does /jp/ think there is a cut-off age where it really doesn't seem worth it anymore?

I'm going to say, probably 30.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7607055
I say 30 as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>7607198
Yeah, 30 is way too old.

[Anonymous No.]

Slow thread...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7608224
What do you want to talk about, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7607055
Being almost 21 I feel like I'd have waited too long, I mean I'm pretty much done growing so how much could I change? I'll just have to settle for having a little girl and being a good dad, I can dream can't I?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7608302
I started HRT at 21. Honestly, as long as it's before 25 you have hope.
Earlier is better, of course, but eh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7608307
Body change much? Have to explain it to any friends? As socially awkward as I am I still have a good friend or two from high school as my only forms of contact and I'd find explaining any of this to them impossible due to embarrassment. Plus all the in-between stages.

[Anonymous No.]

Enjoy being second-rate citizens everywhere in the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7608323
They're treated fine just about everywhere except select Middle Eastern countries and Africa. They get to enjoy their lives instead of being a bitter on the internet too. How is Africa treating you? Gay marriage just got legalized in North York city. I hope you aren't accidentally killed in whatever hellhole you live in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7608302
Body continues to change, all the way up to 30 then it's pretty much halter and starts to decline.

But is it worth letting yourself become even more masculine, butch, bulky, and generally ugly? To have a family and kids that might hate you anyway? To still be plagued by the nagging feelings up to middle age?

I have to wonder if it is really worth it to just leave it alone, to be honest. I would seriously consider whether you are capable of living life as very obviously masculine. Because the late transitioners often act quite mad and traumatized.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh well it seems like I miss all the more interesting people I could probably learn and get advice from.

>>7608317
>>7608307
>>7608302
>>7608323
>>7608281
>>7608444

I guess nobody is around anymore. I still haven't told anyone. When I talk to my family about unrelated stuff they say things that hurt like don't change, stay the same, you're my (insert familial status), I think XXXX would look good on you, why don't you have a relationship? etc. etc. etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7609267
I don't mind talking with you about it and giving the advice I can, but the exchange might be too much for this thread. My email is in the field if you want to chat about whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

just tried out a dress that i bought online..
turned out to be too large for me..
so ill probably have to do some sewing

[Anonymous No.]

>>7609458
That just makes it even more special and you even more moe

[Anonymous No.]

>>7599616

Dude, like 80% of the 'traps' are FU.

There is a very small percentage of transgendered or crossdressers who actually look good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7609645

Not really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7609750
You realize the same could be said about 80% of regular folks too? When I see regular people I don't ever think more than 1% are even reasonably physically attractive.

If you like them as a person then any flaws are overlooked and they look more attractive anyone else. Being a person who's genuinely enjoyed is basically +5 on a 1-10 scale of attractiveness. Even if they're above average and between 6-8 their personality makes them 2-5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7609750
You realize the same could be said about 80% of regular folks too? When I see regular people I don't ever think more than 1% are even reasonably physically attractive.

If you like them as a person then any flaws are overlooked and they look more attractive than anyone else. Being a person who's genuinely enjoyed is basically +5 on a 1-10 scale of attractiveness. Even if the your regular bimbo chick is above average and between 6-8 their personality makes them 2-5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7609750
>>7609812
You know looks are about 30% natural, and 70% effort.

Facial attractiveness would depend on the following points:
shape
-bone structure
-density of fat
skin
-blemishes
-color
-tone
-tan
-wrinkles
-scar tissue
-acne
-birth marks
hair
-hairline
-style
-length
-color
-shine
-thickness
-style
-health/integrity/structure
facial hair
-eyebrow shape
-eyebrow thickness
-beard
-nasal hair
-extra hair
-neckbeard
-eyelashes

Well for shape, you can't change bone structure without surgery, but fat placement depends on things like hormones, and density on your diet.

For skin, only color, tone, and birth marks might be a little more tricky, but all the rest are easily dealt with with proper diet, skin care, and makeup in varying amounts.

Your hair can seem like a pain but if you get to know what does and doesn't work well with your hair you can pretty much do anything with it, get is styled or colored any way. Or you could just wear a cute wig.

Facial hair is probably the deal breaker for most traps and crossdressers. Eyebrows are the easiest to correct as long as you look into the differences between male and female eyebrows some places note plucking the properly (mostly on the underside for men) is the best and cheapest way to feminization. The rest of the hair can be cut, trimmed, shaved, and remember to exfoliate and moisturize after shaving. Use a little makeup to cover any remaining rashes.

How else do you think Asian women are often considered attractive by so many?

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>>7610575
People are instantly ugly if they are too fat/thin or don't take care of their skin/hair.

A lot of that has to do with self confidence and appreciation. If you don't even try it wont suddenly happen.

[Anonymous No.]

So any more beauty, health, diet, fashion tips?

Like what kind of makeup or cremes?

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>>7613173
Cardio, cardio, cardio. You can never have enough.

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Late to the thread, but oh well!

>>7590913
>good epilator
I've had two so far, the Epilady Legend ($80) and the Braun Silk Epille Xelle ($115). The Legend, because of its curved surface, was better at areas like knees, elbows, and armpits, but took a lot more work on calves, thighs, and chest. The Braun, because of its flat surface, is the exact opposite. The Legend only broke because I was an idiot and was epillating my chest with my cross on. Pro-tip: before epillating, take off any neckwear and tie your hair back, if it's long

>>7591127
>Winter the worst time for crossdressing
You know nothing. Summer is by far the worst season for crossdressing. Cute skirts can be found year-round. Tights can be worn in winter to hide knobby knees and sub-par legs. Turtlenecks can be worn to hide Adam's apples. Winter is a fucking godsend.

Summer? Everything is sleeveless, exposing your wide shoulders. Everything is low-cut, exposing your Adam's apple and your fake boobs. It's way too fucking hot to wear tights outside of air-conditioning. Or a wig. Or anything delicate. Or make-up. Or anything at all. Fuck summer. Fuck it in the ass

>>7592982
>told anyone?
Yes, two people. A transexual friend from high school (which actually got us to reestablish contact) and my ex-girlfriend who, somehow, is still my best friend. Both have been very, very supportive. The high school friend has been a great help with providing an address I can mail crap to, giving me make-up advice, helping me better understand what I'm getting into here, getting me to actually go out dressed (it was an event for trans people though...) and just being someone I can speak with. Only downside was the awkward one-night stand that neither of us will talk about any more...

As for the ef-gf, honestly, I only came out to her because of her reaction to the mutual high school friend. She seemed generally positive about that and I didn't have to worry about a potential break-up by telling her

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>>7616461
cont

>>7593624
>too afraid of someone finding my shit
I live with my mother and my brother. My closet doubles as the linen closet. My room is the living room. It has no doors. I still manage to crossdress and haven't been found out. Try hard enough and be sneaky enough and you too can manage. I hide most of my crap at the bottom of my bottom drawer under clothes that I rarely wear. It's stacked to capacity, giving no one any reason to try and put something in it. For closeted items, I keep them in the back behind my suits. Again, no one has any reason to go there. As for dressing, I only do so after midnight when I'm sure everyone has gone to sleep. Granted, I'm too much of a pussy to do so now that my brother is home from college. Our rooms adjoin one another and he's nocturnal...

>>7597855
>clothing measurements
While most of the questions seem to be answered for real measurements, those don't readily translate to S/M/L, so I'll add my 200¥ with my measurements. Hopefully you're the tall, lanky variety of nerd as well.
30 inch waist = size S skirts
Size M shirts = size L shirts (this is where you'll suffer the most... Abuse return policies here. I have still yet to get a decently fitting blouse, only tight fitting tees...)
Size 9.5 US men's shoe = size 10 US women's shoe
32 inch bra - just take a tape measure and wrap it around your chest so it crosses the center of your nipples. As for cup size, fill the foot of a pair of panties with 1.25 cups of rice/bird seed per cup size desired, tie it off tightly, and cut off the remainder. Make sure the bra has an underwire for proper shaping.)

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I'm just going to put something here, from personal experience, that might get me flamed. But it helped me out a lot, and I feel like it might resonate with some of you as well.

Most of you in this thread don't actually want to be a girl.

Let me explain myself. I myself, up until a few years ago, was in the same boat as most of you. I used to believe that I'd be happier as a female, wanted to try crossdressing, even considered hormones at one point (I'm a hairy motherfucker with a nordic jawline so it made things even worse for me.)

But after going through a long period of depression as a result of all this, wanting to be something else but not wanting to tear up my entire life just reach some kind of halfway point. And then, after thinking about things and doing a lot of reading and soul-searching, I realized something: it wasn't actually being a girl that I wanted. What I wanted were a bunch of things ASSOCIATED with being a girl, and I was just assuming that being a girl was somehow necessary in order to possess those things.

You DON'T HAVE TO BE A GIRL TO BE THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE. So many aspects of "femininity" aren't actually related to your sex at all, but merely to these perceived gender roles that society has driven deeply into our heads, and that's just not true. There's nothing about being male that prevents you from being the kind of person that you want to be.

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>>7616561

You can be cute and be a man. You can wear those clothes you want to wear, behave the way you want to behave, have the kind of relationships you want to have, and still be a man. You don't have to be some kind of archetypical alpha male. "Maleness" is just a chromosome, a few differing genes and a different set of sex organs. Just be the person you want to be and throw gender concepts out the window. You'll be much happier being that person than you will by rearranging your entire life around trying to change your actual biology in ways that are just impossible with today's technology.

I'm not trying to demean anyone here. I know some of you actually do suffer from real gender identity disorders, and I wish you the best of luck. But this realization helped me, at least, come to be at peace with myself, and if it helps anyone else, it's worth talking about. I can't be the only one.

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>>7616565
But where do you draw the line?

Wearing cute clothes, getting rid of facial hair, body hair, wearing makeup, nice smelling perfume, having nicer skin and hair, talking with a softer voice, and filling a quieter and submissive role. At what point does it become wanting to be an actual girl instead of just wanting to be yourself, but with all the qualities of a girl?

I'm not a delusional idiot so I know current technology doesn't change bone structure, dna, genes, change reproductive organs or whatever. So where do you draw that line?

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>>7616461
>Fuck summer. Fuck it in the ass
O-Oh Okay!
I hate it too for various reasons. I have never been comfortable showing off any skin, especially during summer. Neither as a boy or as a girl, but it got much worse from puberty onwards.
>>7616471
>S/M/L
It should be worth noting that items bought from eastern vendors are probably at least two sizes larger.

EGL is suffering.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey, guys? Yeah, I think /soc/ would love to have this thread but it really has nothing to do with /jp/.

In short: fuck off, faggots. Reported.

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>>7616818
Hi newfriend, thanks for trying to fit in. But don't try too hard.

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>>7616779

Well, see, that depends on what you really want. Is it the makeup, or dresses, or lack of body hair, or any of those other physical tokens of femininity that you actually want? Or is it the social/personality aspects that are traditionally seen as "feminine" that you ACTUALLY want?

For me, at least, I realized that the only reason I found myself wishing for the physical aspects of femininity was that I thought they had to be inherently connected with the social and mental aspects. Since then, while I do still have autogynophillic fantasies from time to time, I've become much more confident in my body as it is, and no longer wish to go through the more physical aspects of "femininity."

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>>7616945

If you looked at me IRL today, you'd never know that I ever went through a phase like that. I look like an ordinary hipster-ish slightly "fabulous" male. It's my personality that's changed—I've become comfortable with taking a more laid back, quieter, submissive social role, and stopped trying to conform to those masculine social norms that I have no interest in conforming to. I've had two fulfilling (if short-lived) relationships with dominant, tomboyish females who were totally cool with that since then, and have, in general, just been a happier person. Sure, I'm not 100% satisfied with my body, but who is? I'm better off than I was wishing for a physical change that just can't happen, because in the end, I don't need that kind of change.

I guess what I'm saying is, those physical aspects of "femininity" are often only tangent to your real desire to be socially permitted to behave a certain way, since you perceive that only females are allowed to be that way. And really, that's not true. Though its unconventional, you will easily be accepted (at least, in understanding social groups, which are the only ones that really matter) if you behave that way as a male.

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I saw this in another thread and thought it looked interesting.
>http://ok-lab.net/penistocking.php

I'm not really sure about the details though. Some of the explanation pictures look very strange. I would ask for a translation but I'm sure it would end up as the pleasure of cumming inside yourself.

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>>7616950
>penis talking

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>>7616945
>>7616947
>>7616779
>>7616565
Only wanting to be female to feel comfortable doing what is okay for a girl seems strange to me. Maybe you're here for the summer, or maybe you really do have a life and still browse /jp/ because I'm not that stupid to rule it out...

But I really am a hikki. Or a repeating hikki, because I'm slowly starting to take some steps to get academic qualifications since I'm a complete failure like that. So I can't really formulate how I would want to fit into society...

But when I was younger I always liked transformation stories like Pinocchio or whatever I overheard in the news about sexual abnormalities; and I tried to apply it to me. I thought I would get to choose between the sexes when I got older, don't ask why it's dumb... I've never felt comfortable showing affection to other people, it never felt right and I always chickened out. Usually with a huge overreaction on my part, spit, spit, girls are disgusting! etc. When I was 9 or so, during a sleep over I told my best friend to pretend I was a girl, and tried to kiss him but he pushed me off.

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>>7617083
Honestly, I have never been able to realistically think about relationships. NEVER. EVER. So around 17 I calmed down and went with the label asexual and lived with it ever since.

Wrinkles, body hair, and facial hair all cause me considerable distress. The same goes for other typically masculine features too, even if I am the only one that will ever see myself it still bothers me.

I have a phobia about knives, injections, surgery, doctors and all that icky stuff. So the idea of operations is probably the biggest thing holding me back. You also noted that the procedures are imperfect and incomplete which I find myself agreeing with entirely.

When I ask myself what I would rather be if there was a perfect and seamless solution available but with no going back I know I wouldn't choose to be male. But placing myself and what I would want out of the current situation as it stands in reality, I'm a little more skeptical and scared I might choose for potentially destroying my body to an unusable and dangerous state especially where the surgical "solutions" are concerned.

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I've never heard of an epilator before now and I'm extremely interested in getting one for my pubes. Shaving doesn't last long and I don't want to go into a salon or whatever for waxing. Does anyone have any advice or can recommend what one is best for sensitive ares?

[Anonymous No.]

This whole thread is new heights of dumbfuck,

Now we've got summerfriends talking about being a little girl?

>a little girl

...

THE little girl.

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>>7617144
Oh boy here we go again. Wasn't there a thread just this week where some idiot made a fool of themselves for claiming it was a newfag summer trend?

Pointless troll. GID, HRT, MtF, crossdressing, traps, 2D trap, a little girl, little girls, the little girl, and so on. All of these came up in threads or were the subject of threads since the beginning of /jp/ and have consistently popped up now and then.

To argue that the subject is only a recent trend is just stupid and requires more linguistic acrobatics and back-peddling than it's worth.

At least it is being contained in a single thread, perhaps you should try it. There are plenty of shit poster and lolsorandum threads for you to enjoy.

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>>7617260
I think you miss my point. There are many fine threads that occur on this subject. This is not one of them, because everyone in here is summer as shit, including you.

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>>7617279
It's pretty easy to miss the point when that wasn't the point you were making.

>back-peddling

Looks about right.

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Can we not argue with people saying "summerfag" and shit. Just fucking ignore them.

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>>7617111
DO NOT.
USE.
AN EPILATOR.

You'll thank me when you don't spend the rest of your days in quivering fear, cursing the day you were born.

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>>7617546
Why not? Also, does it work good on thick hair?

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>>7617621
Imagine plucking one hair is pain equal to a tiny prick with a needle. Plucking a cluster of ten hairs is more like getting pricked with ten needles.

Pubic hair tends to be pretty tightly clustered and more over thick hair, and the area is quite sensitive.

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>>7616461
>awkward one-night stand

How does this even happen? I will assume it was some kind of mutual validation experience rather than attraction or affection. Perhaps curiosity or pity and self-pity?

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>>7617546
Don't cower the first time.

Use it three times, pain is gone.

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>>7617621
It does, but it's best to trim it first.

Hair that's too long can break

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>>7617527
Summerfag.

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>>7617111
Using an epilator around any sensitive area like your pubic hair would be pretty... well, pretty fucking retarded.

Trim the long areas and just use a regular razor. The key to shaving your balls is to just brush the razor over that area. Testicle hair tends to grow back pretty damn slowly, so you don't have to worry about doing it too often.

I'll probably buy an epilator soon. After finding out how much more I like having a hairless body, I'd rather like the effects to last more than a couple days. I need to start getting into beauty products too. The problem is, my parents can be pretty intrusive if I start even making the subtlest of changes to my behaviour.

I don't really have any desire to become a girl though, I'm just pretty effeminate and I'm interested in cross dressing.

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I've plucked out pubic hair before and done a little waxing so I'm used to hair ripping out kind of pain.

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>>7618628
It was the first time I showed her what I looked like dressed. I hadn't told I her I was going to do so, so it came as quite the surprise to her. Afterwards, we were just sitting around watching House with chit chat during commercials and whatnot. A lot of what she was saying was... well... flirtatious... I'd never been put in that situation, so I started getting nervous and uncomfortable as fuck. I finally confront her about it and ask her in complete honesty if she was flirting with me. She was. Ask her what she was looking for. Answer was nothing permanent with someone who had a penis (she's still very much into women, though those transitioning to women are still ok by her book). She'd never taken it in the rear, I'd never been with someone like her (or anyone besides my ex-gf), but I was too nervous about the whole deal. Told her I'd do it only if she took the initiative. Despite what role I played in what we did, I was acting more like the woman than she was the whole night.

Now, it would have all been fine, but apparently I said some things during that irked her (she had been able to simply pick me up and drag me over to her, so I said she was still kind of manly in some ways. strike #1. Strike #2 was afterwards when I said that because I knew her before her transition I would always think of her as a man in some way) and then on top of that I left while she was asleep. I was just so out of sorts with everything that happened that I simply couldn't imagine waking up in another person's bed the next day, never mind whose bed, plus I'd have to explain where I was to my mother/brother and I had work the next day and thought taking a bag full of women's clothing could be potentially disastrous. I left a letter explaining all of this, but apparently that did nothing to help. So that led to a big argument that we've mostly smoothed over, but again, not something we discuss any more.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow, this thread is still alive? Surprising.

>>7617083
>>7617089

Well, it may be that you're just different from me. Like I said, I'm not saying that they way I came to this sort of thing applies to everyone. But I can relate to the sort of things you're talking about, at least. It's perfectly normal (and really more common than society would have you believe) to think about things like that. Gender is a continuum, a spectrum, not a binary; and everyone falls differently along it.

Honestly—and I say this solely because I think it will help you— I'd say that rather than fixating on this, you should occupy yourself with fixing your current lifestyle, because it sounds like you're not comfortable with where you are in general right now. Work some of that other stuff out, and you'll be able to address your gender issues in clearer light, so to speak.

And for the record, I've been browsing /jp/ as long as /jp/ has existed, and /a/ for years before the split. And, while I'm certainly no social butterfly, I do have a small but mostly satisfying social life. We aren't ALL hikkis

[Anonymous No.]

Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7620168
i'd put my dick inside you. even without a condom too.

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>>7620168
What do you look like?

[Anonymous No.]

I've come to the consensus that I'll give it a try, and if I'm not pleased with the results, suicide is always an option.

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>>7620470
Looks cute.

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>>7620470
The colours don't match. Fix that.

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>>7620545
Yeah, I forgot about that. They don't match. You should try to colour match better~