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Hey /jp/ I was wondering if you could help me out...

So I just recently got into Touhou, and I'm wondering which of the 10 + 10.5 and 7.5 games to play first? I'm royally horrible at scrolling 2D shooters and fighting games, but I'll give it a try because I've heard they're really great.

>> No.758261

play them all

>> No.758263

7.5 I guess, just play them all and then settle on one.

>> No.758265

"Master fucking spark, bitch!" actually sounds quite GAR.

>> No.758267

SWR is a lot easier to get into than IaMP, I find. Also much more fun.

>> No.758269

yeah, but lack of regen from spell card activation is a bitch.

>> No.758270

The fighting games are inferior fighting games that only fans of the series like. Start with one of the shmups. PCB/IN/EoSD preferably.

>> No.758271

IN is the easiest
It'll cripple you from being able to beat any touhou, though.

>> No.758274

EoSD is the easiest.

Bitches disagree.

>> No.758277

Try SWR. Its different than the usual fighting game and pretty fun if you don't mind weird mechanics.

>> No.758279

>>758257
/r/ all existing touhou-themed godhand comic.

>> No.758281

Whichever one you choose, don't play on Easy Mode. All that will do is teach you some really bad habits and keep you from ever getting any better.

>> No.758284

5 is the best place to start.

7 is actually the easiest.

Don't play 7.5/10.5.

>> No.758285

>>758257

Pic related. Perfect Cherry Blossom isn't as easy (for a beginner) as Imperishable Night, but it's not as hard as Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil. With any luck, playing PCB on Normal will train you for the harder games. All the fightan games are pretty easy in comparison. Shoot the Bullet is fun as hell and easy to pick up and play without needing to dedicate time to completing stages... you just pick and play a boss, fun camera mechanic for imagining your Aya trying to get a shot of each of the girls panties.

>> No.758290

>>758274

I like how nobody who posts this even tries to back up their ridiculous claim. Also, quit screwing with the newbie.

>> No.758291

>>758270

Oh, you.

>> No.758292
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>> No.758295

>>758290
Don't have to back up cold hard facts.

>> No.758296

ITT, we say the only Touhou game we actually played is the hardest in attempt to boost our ego.

>>758291
No, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

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>> No.758302

>>758285

I'd imagine StB would simply rape any new player. Sure, you can retry any challenge instantly, which cuts down on frustration, but the cards are goddamn tricky, with difficult dodgan involved and a lot of 'puzzle' cards in the mix.

IN's counterbomb interval might lead to bad habits down the line, but it has Spell Practice, which I think could be a godsend for a beginner.

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>> No.758310

>>758302

I just mentioned StB because it's fun as hell and after four other shootan games with only slightly different mechanics I enjoyed the change in play.

It also taught me not to hold down focus all the time.

>> No.758307

>>758257
PC-98 games. (1-2-3-4-5)
2D shooters main (6-7-8-10-11)
Fighting games (7.5-10.5)
2D games with different gameplay than the main ones (9-9.5)

Don't bother with PC-98 games.
In order of difficulty on shootan games (7<10<8<6) 11 is still demo.

>> No.758312

EoSD is not a bad choice if you've never played.

PCB is a fucking marathon of pain.

IN will make you sloppy

>> No.758313

>>758307
'98 games are superior to the Windows games on average.

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>> No.758327

>>758313
Well Mystic Square is, I wouldn't say the rest of the PC-98 games are.

>> No.758331

I recommend EoSD or PCB for your first game. They teach you good habits about bombing and focusing. Even though Imperishable Night is "easier" than the other games, a newbie is going to have a tough time no matter which game they play.

And start on Normal Mode. No easy mode for you.

>> No.758334

>>758307
>Don't bother with PC-98 games.
Sage for stupidity. What he really meant was don't bother with the first game.

>> No.758343

>>758312

>PCB is a fucking marathon of pain.

Stages 1-2: This isn't so bad, I should be able to do this. What were those guys going on about this game being hard?

Stage 3: Hey, I recognise this theme from IOSYS, the difficulty is stepping up a bit but it's nothing I can't handle.

Stage 4: Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Stage 4 Boss: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

Stage 5: Ugh, I lost most my lives last stage, thankfully it seems they've given me a break.

Stage 5 Mid-boss: On the other hand, maybe not.

>> No.758361

>>758343
Stage 5 is pretty inaccurate, given how easy Youmu is.

>> No.758363

>>758265 GAR

>> No.758388

>>758296

>No, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

A common trait among faggots. Another one you share: being, in fact, quite wrong.

>> No.758390

>>758361

She wasn't FUUUUUUUUUCK hard, but oddly her first cards used to catch me out a lot. When everything is moving in different directions I make dumb mistakes.

Stage 5 itself is pretty easy, Youmu annoys me a little but she's not as annoying as the Prismriver sisters or Yukuko, though Yukuko is more a problem because she has tons of spell cards and some of the later ones are annoying as hell... but her earlier cards aren't too much of a problem.

>> No.758400

My only real experience with Shmups is Ikaruga, which I suck at, how does that compare in difficulty with Touhou?

>> No.758401

>>758400
Imagine you couldn't absorb bullets but had to face the same patterns.

That's Touhou.

>> No.758408

Start with The Highly Responsive to Prayers.

The very first game.

Lunatic only first try.

Continue as much as necessary, give up on the final boss of whichever route you choose if you can't beat it(Or can even get that far).

Then do the same for the other route.

THEN move on to the second, and at the least beat it(with continues, if need be) on Normal. Continue moving up the games in this manner, until you reach MoF.

CONGRATULATIONS, SHINJI

>> No.758410

I've been playing them, and I started with Marisa.

Now Reimu feels like a sluggish tank, but I still have a hard time between choosing whether speed - homing or TANK-LIKE + homing is better. Sakuya A seems like a nice middleground, though.

>> No.758414

>>758257 TH07
>>758292 TH08
>>758297 TH09
>>758303 TH10

thanks.

>> No.758415

>>758410
>Sakuya A

Heh heh. At least use Sakuya B.

>> No.758434

>>758410
Sakuya?! That's easy mode even on hard!

KYA HA HA!

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6

>> No.758477
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True 7

(Also Reimu B for 7)

>> No.758483
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758483

10

It appears that 8 and 9 are somewhere else in the board.

>> No.758495

>>758477
not a 07, but more like a composite of 07 (the moonrune of 4th panel) and 08 (Kaguya and Mystia look-alike?).

>> No.758502

>>758477
Kaguya isn't in number 7.

>> No.758506

>>758303
Best depiction.

>> No.758507

Missing a MoF ZOMBIE RAYMOO version.

>> No.758518

One line.

>EVEN THE BULLETS ARE SHOOTING BULLETS JESUS CHRIST

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>> No.758527

>>758522
Of course, that's Reisen's easiest non-spell card.

>> No.758533

>>758257
Suck at shooters? Imperishable Night would be the best one to start with then. Easier than the other ones, and if don't play action/shootan games in general (being good at strategy games, RPGs and VN's will not help you here) then start on easy mode for the first couple of playthroughs. Normal will fuck your shit up otherwise.

>> No.758534

>>758533
>being good at a VN

Haha, what?

>> No.758535

>>758533
>Easier than the other ones, and if you don't

Fixed, I fail at typing today.

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>> No.758540

>>758534
Don't get me started Anon, there are people who consider themselves good at VNs. Unfortunately.

>> No.758547

>>758540
But isn't that like being good at Choose-your-own-adventure Books?

>> No.758549

PCB is a good one to start with, it looks/sounds a bit prettier than EoSD and has a few more handicaps for a new player (supernatural border, slow mode) but doesn't throw you off with any weird mechanics like IN with its time system and the whole two-character thing.

IN isn't a terrible game to start with, its just that the easy mode on it is *really* easy compared to EoSD/PCB's easy modes. Just don't get comfortable with the ease of death-bombing (in touhou games you can get out of a death if you bomb right as the bullet hits you, the window for you to do this in IN is *significantly* larger than in PCB/etc, in other games you pretty much have to have been going for the bomb button already to pull it off) and being able to auto-collect without full power and IN won't 'ruin' you for EoSD/PCB.

>> No.758552

>>758540
"I am good at picking choices. Choices which have outcomes I cannot possibly know until I have picked them."

>> No.758553

>>758502
Weird, because the moon text fits with PCB.

>> No.758558

>>758303
THIS

>END: Somehow I've done it... wait, what the fuck?! Blossoming? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!
Also this oh god why yuyu why.

>> No.758565

>>758533

Pretty much. IN easy is a joke compared to PCB/EoSD easy, so if you want to get a feel for how Touhou works without getting repeatedly face-raped it's a good place to start.

...of course, I suppose that ignores the fact that getting repeatedly face-raped upon reaching the final third/half of the game until you've gotten good at it is what Touhou is all about.

>> No.758568

>>758552
Or from what some people have told me...
"I am good at picking choices because I am also good at knowing how the storyline will play out"

I don't play/read/whatever VNs, but I'm pretty sure the person in question is talking bullshit. Even if thats valid though, it doesn't help with games like Touhou.

>> No.758570

>>758558
Blossoming (normal mode) is really easy, yo. You can dodge past the red orbs before they even spread out, and the other attack is just a case of standing in the same spot each time.

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758596

You should start with 5.
Most violent bossfight ever

>> No.758615

>>758596
S even omnipotent beeings can loose danmaku battles?

>> No.758620

>>758570
I still fucking hate survival cards.

I've never won any of Kaguya's Last Spell cards

>> No.758624

Only start on Easy Mode if it's PCB, in other games it's way too easy.

EoSD is only the hardest if you're playing on Lunatic or Extra, or if you played the later games first and got too used to having a visible hitbox; I played EoSD first (not counting a minimal time playing the PC-98 games and saying screw this) and had a way easier time 1cc'ing Normal than any other game until MoF, which only took me a few tries. It took me forever to even 1cc PCB Easy, only recently 1cc'ed PCB Normal (SakuyaA lol) and IN Normal with default lives

>> No.758665

>>758624
Strange. Maybe it's just me, or I find EoSD a little bit easier than the rest. But that's because of the fact that there is no visible hitbox, forcing you to actually dodge away from certain danmaku/spellcards instead of always grazing through narrow spaces between them. (But then again I always choose Marisa in most of the games...)

>> No.758673

>>758620
If you wanna unlock some of the Last Words, you're gonna need to get better at them. You have to do Eirin's last card at least twice to get two of the Last Words (Reimu and Marisa's).

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Too bad EoSDs Extra is fucking easy

>> No.758712

Normal people cant get past sakuya in Eosd normal

>> No.758714

>>758712
>Normal people

No, lazy people can't do it.

>> No.758717

>>758714
noramal people are lazy

>> No.758718
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758718

If you like to bomb in MoF, you'll get fucked over by extra.

>> No.758720

>>758718
I laughed heartly

>> No.758724

>>758718

...so where the fuck does the zombie Reimu thing come from anyway?

>> No.758725

>>758724
th10reimu.jpg

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>>758724

>> No.758763

>>758257
play on easy mode...seriously, for now, its the only way,

>> No.758760

>>758738
cracks me up every time

>> No.758772

real men use gamehax

>> No.758819

>>758677
If that's "easy" then what is "hard?"

>> No.758925
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758925

Touhou is a game?!?

>> No.758961

>>758819

Apollo 13, Hard (I actually find the Lunatic variant easier somehow)

>> No.758993

>>758819
PCB phantasm vertical only pacifist run

>> No.759034

>>758993
Pfft. That's nothing compared to the MS Extra No Movement Pacifist run.

>> No.759037

>>759034
thats possible?

>> No.759063

>>759037
As possible as a PCB Vertical Only Phantasm No Shot run.

>> No.759075

>>759063
so it is doable

>> No.759093

In before GIL

>> No.759111

But GIL's not a cheater so yeah.

>> No.759151

Gonna jump into this thread since it seems to be full of questions.
Why do I get 10-15% slowdown on EoSD and 0.3% slowdown on PCB/IN? Is this fixable? I tried playing with the EoSD options, but have only made it worse or marginally better.

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If you want to get good at them, play a few arcade shooters that don't wait until stage 4 before trying to kill you first.

If you just want to give them a try, do the windows ones in order. If you want to get down with the touhoes, do the PC-98 ones as well.

>> No.759182

>>759151
Let me guess.. You hold control to skip through conversations.

>> No.759235

>>759182
Sometimes. After you've heard Marisa call Reimu a bitch about a thousand times in IN, it gets kinda boring.

Not sure how that's relevant to anything, though.

>> No.759289

If you're new you probably want to start with the translated ones; it doesn't make that much difference (lol plot in Touhou), but it makes things a bit less intimidating. I'd say start with PCB or IN since they're a bit more polished than EoSD, and nicer to look at; IN is my favourite, but I can see why people say it gives you bad habits, so PCB might be a better first game. Once you've done both of those do EoSD, and after that you can probably figure out for yourself where to go next.

>> No.759377

>>759235
What're talking about, shit never gets old.

(seriously though I use control sometimes to)

>> No.759390

9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5
9.5

>> No.759391

which touhou game has the most gay

those doujins have to be working off of something

>> No.759444

>>759391
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

FUCK, that's actually a good question.

EoSD extra for Marisa x Flandre?

>> No.759449

>>759391
Maybe IN for Marisa x Alice?

"It... it's not like I wanted to take you with me or anything. Stupid Marisa"

>> No.759460

>>759444

At no point does Flan flirt with Marisa or anything. If anything, FlanxReimu is more likely- Marisa proposing her as a waifu for Flan, Flandre wanting to visit her at the shrine, etc.

>> No.759539

>>759460
Wiki says:
>In some fan comics Flandre is depicted as being fond of Marisa Kirisame, probably due to the last part of their conversation in Marisa's Extra Stage (even though Marisa suggested marrying Reimu rather than herself).
So that's where I got that from.

But ya, the gayness isn't at all canon.

>> No.759571

Touhou is all about fitting in. The losers of /jp/ are a bunch of rejects (of rejects) who only talk about Touhou because they want to be a part of something.

Also, the drawfags, skiddie proggrammers, and original content makers who browse /jp/ are only here because they think they can get a following with the Touhoufags seeing as Touhou already has an established community. They are the definition of the word "leech."

>> No.759582

>>759571
At least come up with something original instead of ctrl+c and ctrl+v

>> No.759653

So, I just played EoSD lunatic while running the Berkeley DB testsuite in the background; average framerate was about 26fps but I thought I might as well finish it. (Which I did; 97.81% slowdown, score 131 million, 8 misses; of course I'm not going to claim this as a real clear). Seriously, how the hell do people do the library stage at normal speed? I found myself forced into "bomb or die" situations 7 times in open play; just so many of those little blue arrows with circles behind them. There were gaps, yes, but too far away to get to; I don't think the firing of these depends where you are, so the only way I can see that one would possibly have got through would be memorizing a route that works. Do people actually do that?

I mean, most of the game I can see; it's just smaller gaps and going faster, so you just need the reactions and precision. But if I can't do that stage at less than half speed without resorting to bombs (and even then losing one life in open play), I have difficulty seeing how it's even possible, short, as I say, of memorizing the bullet patterns for the whole level, or at least a route through them that works. So, is this what srs shootan gaem players do? Or is there something else to it?

>> No.759657

my dreams of marisaxreimu are almost shattered

>> No.759699

>>759653
I don’t know the specifics of stage 4 on lunatic, but you can bet your hat there’s memorisation going on with the srs players. Watch a CAVE shooter on a second loop, at least ZUN doesn't ask you remember every enemy spawn point and force you to spunk away all your bombs and 3 lives on the "true" final boss’s utter bullshit final pattern.

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>>759657
what, why

>> No.759748

>>759737
Does this doujin involve futa?

If not sauce?

>> No.759755

>>759653
you have to memorize the patterns

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>>759748
i wish i had it, only found the cover on danbooru.
im also looking for this, shoulda been released recently

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>>759737

Because the only person that seems gay at all is Alice and every other relationship is just everyone grasping at straws like a bunch of yaoi fangirls trying to figure out how to get Inuyasha x Miroku to work.

>> No.759784

>>759773
oh u
seriously, you have issues

>> No.759793

>>759784

Can't face the truth that you act just like everyone on /y/ and /cm/?

>> No.759794

>>759737
>>759759
If I spend a ton of time looking for the sauce of these, find it, and it turns out to be futa I will be very sad.

I'll dump the doujin on /d/ though if that happens so even if I'm sad 4chan as a whole won't be.

>> No.759795

>>759653
>so the only way I can see that one would possibly have got through would be memorizing a route that works. Do people actually do that?

Yep, that's the only way for most of the bosses. Which is why practice mode exist-OH WAIT LOL

>> No.759804

>>759794
dump it on
http://orochi.iiichan.net/t-h/

>>759793
whats your problem with that? You think your kourin spamming is any better?

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>>759804

I'm just posting images, I only consider it as parody.

If you want to get off to something that's fine, if it goes into " LOOK HOW CUTE CLOUD AND SEPHY ARE TOGETHER, TOTALLY CANON GAY " then I'll draw a line. Although a FF game isn't the best reference since after Nomura it does get pretty gay.

>> No.759825

>>759795
Doing it for the bosses is fine (though really I didn't need to; lost one life for not knowing what was going to happen next, but other than that everything's evadeable, just react fast and use all 2+1 dimensions). But doing it for the entire level seems a bit excessive.

>> No.759830

>>759794
I'll be sad with you anon

>> No.759843

>>759820
the term "canon" is very stretchable with touhou, people generally regard some fanon as canon. I do love this one pairing quite a lot, that doesn't mean tough I want to shove it down peoples throats as CANON OTP!111111

I just want to share it pretty much with people who like it too, and theres quite a few of them in that case.

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>>759843

Then feel free to post it, I'm only commenting on people trying to find stuff in the canon that doesn't exist to try and make certain pairs true.

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