Does anyone have a link to the video showing the origin of Touhou songs?

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Anonymous Sun, Jun 26, 2011 19:31:17 No.7536707 [Reply] [Original]

Does anyone have a link to the video showing the origin of Touhou songs?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 26, 2011 19:33:17 No.7536712 >>7536707 ZUN speaking at a convention while heavily intoxicated?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 26, 2011 19:39:17 No.7536743 >>7536712 >ZUN Speaking Would do, no need to slap redundancies on the end of your sentence.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 26, 2011 19:39:23 No.7536742 For all of his unique skill, talent and hard work, ZUN is less famous and respected than that /b/tard, moot. How does that make you feel?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 26, 2011 19:40:17 No.7536749 >>7536742 Feels good, he'll hopefully stick to doing things right and not try to be a hipster internet celeb.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 26, 2011 20:08:17 No.7536834 Anyone? It was a series of videos on youtube showing what Touhou songs were based on.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 09:29:17 No.7539263 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw-vpHOfWiE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tChjemnUI4A&feature=related

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 09:32:19 No.7539275 "based on" is a funny way to say that the songs happen to sound familiar. Actual references (if they are not a coincidence as well)? http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_influences

Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 09:39:17 No.7539294

Fun fact, there is a limit to human creativity.

Even more fun fact, there is an exceptionally smaller limit to the number of unique combinations of instruments before the human brain cannot distinguish between the differences.

Even shorter than that, lyrical composition

And the very last, human characteristics.
Having unnatural hair color and eye color was a great start for expanding on this, but theres only so many distinguishable colors.

Either shit is going to get really trippy soon with people trying to be as original as possible and abandoning all common themes, or we're gonna have a bit of overlap. Get used to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 09:43:17 No.7539305 >>7539294 An easy example of this, if you know anything of (shitty) popular music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:04:17 No.7539345 File: 77 KB, 500x450, 0K.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7539305 >>7539294 We all know what happens when people try way too hard to be original.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:49:51 No.7539565 >>7539305 If you know anything about music then you'd realize that most of those songs don't have the same chords at all, they're just in or near the key of C.

Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:03:17 No.7539594
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Composers listen to music.

When they are composing, combinations of notes and sounds are swirling in their conscious and unconscious mind, you want a composer to block out all of the past musical phrases and candences they've heard while writing a song?

To have a list of everything they've heard next to them to make sure nothing sounds too similar?

This is simply how music is made. To be upset at this is to reveal fundamental ignorance of reality.

Whether this deliberate sampling however, is unprovable, especially with how much of an alcoholic ZUN is.

However, from a pragmatic point of view, consider this, those melodies from old Enka songs or game soundtracks would hardly be listened to by anyone, and in fact don't even sound that promising or noticeable, but once those notes (no matter how the similarities ended up in both songs) are revealed in their Touhou iterations, they become heart-stirring reknowned beloved musical compositions bringing joy to millions.

Bach, Beethoven and other renowned composers similarly exchanged sounds with their contemporaries. They heard performances from rivals or lesser musicians, or while attending on monarchs or riding in their wagons through busy towns passing by starving musicians on the side of the street performing for their daily bread, or from a chance melody they heard from their own children. Does that make any of their well-known beloved songs suspect, less meritorious, or less enjoyable?

Again, this is simply how music is created. Would you like to enjoy great melodies? Or to pick at every little thing that displeases your sensibilities? If you're the kind of person who's keen on the latter activity, you'll find life to be unbearable.

I for one love Touhou music, no matter to what degree ZUN is playing the part of a musical Dr. Frankenstein.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:19:17 No.7539612 >>7539594 >I for one Do you like men?

>>	HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:24:17 No.7539620 >>7539345 What exactly am I looking at here? Think I see a "fox" somewhere in there, or maybe two. And maybe a "wolf" or, again, maybe two.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:24:17 No.7539621 You can't create a infinite amount of songs. Especially with this kind of song.

Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:27:17 No.7539632
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>>7539612
No, I'm not one of those flaming faggots who hates Touhou and Saten and other cute girls. Those queers should march on off to /y/ permanently, they'd be much happier there and /jp/ would be far better without such an unproductive hostile presence.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:28:17 No.7539633 Is anybody actually criticizing ZUN for this? OP was just asking for the video, probably more out of interest than malice.

Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:40:17 No.7539662
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>>7539633
It's not directed at OP directly, but certainly the Touhou-hating faggots will be piling up to point and sneer like little bitches for no good reason as they always do.

Since between gorging on cock at /y/ they still find time to shit up /jp/ with their useless whining, perhaps a more reasoned approach may do the trick.

Because unfortunately, reason-inducing punches cannot be thrown across the intertubes, and the people's champions of /jp/ seem benevolently tolerate of the faggots constant hateful flaming of cute girls.

Pic related, it's Touhou Saten. Umad, faggots?

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:47:17 No.7539676 >>7539662 >Umad, faggots? Yeah, 'cause that'll get people to take you seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:48:17 No.7539679 Referencing and sampling don't need any apology.

Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:53:17 No.7539695
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>>7539676
I don't seriously expect these faggots to GTFO. I'm simply stating they should do so. Anyone who hates cute girls enough to flame them for months on end or longer on a BBS is declaring unpromising irrational tendencies towards which any actual expectation of a productive resolution would be misdirected.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:54:17 No.7539699 File: 234 KB, 768x1024, 5d2d4edb5e1aab44f826c11587e1f5da.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wow. He more or less copied some of the music nearly EXACTLY. Shame on ZUN.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:56:17 No.7539703 >>7539699 I think you could make a case for some songs, but some others are really stretching it I'd say. The Satori Maiden comparison is absolutely hilarious though.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:57:17 No.7539705 >>7539679

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:57:17 No.7539707 File: 150 KB, 599x600, 2bd42bcc4700bf350c12c974f6347a66.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7539633 >>7539699 hahaha

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:59:17 No.7539710 >>7539707 Watch the video. The shit is EXACTLY the fucking same. Ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:02:17 No.7539718 Zun also reuses parts from his PC-98 game music in the later games.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:03:17 No.7539719 >>7539710 I don't see why you are making a big deal out of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:08:17 No.7539730 Holy shit the first one blew my mind.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:10:17 No.7539733 Game developers copy main-stream music to create video game soundtracks? STOP THE PRESSES!

Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:21:17 No.7539763

>>7539733

There's copying/sampling/references, and then there's exactly-the-fucking-same.

Apparently ZUN is the latter. My japanese is poor, so I hope I'm making a mistake and the actual touhou songs were playing in the video and not the source music.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:26:17 No.7539777 >>7539763 >there's exactly-the-fucking-same You don't know what sampling is at all beyond a google/wikipedia definition, do you.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:26:17 No.7539780 File: 43 KB, 460x500, 1293755814546.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Because those composers whose songs get 'copied' by ZUN are totally gonna sue him.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:29:17 No.7539792 File: 804 KB, 614x1179, Drcossack.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_wpW6zpqHY#t=00m15s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHUcTe2a7vM#t=00m23s ZUN, I am disappoint.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:32:17 No.7539801 File: 37 KB, 225x185, 1309065239351.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7539792 faggot detected

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:36:17 No.7539812 >>7539780 >implying it's okay to steal

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:38:17 No.7539818 >>7539780 >>7539812 Both of your don't know shit about music. Certain notes sound good next to eachother because of science. A lot of the "stolen" music is just arpeggios, which aren't even oringinal to anyone. They are basic musical constructs.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:39:17 No.7539820 Could ZUN possibly be sued for this? Not saying it wouldn't be a stupid idea on the part of the copyright holders, I'm just asking if it's possible.

Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:41:17 No.7539825

>>7539820
No. It's not possible at all since there is no proof. There are only so many combinations for music. It's very limited in the huge scheme of things.

>>7539792
They sound nothing a like. Maybe it could be that they are on the same scale, but aside from that no. Nice try.

Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:44:17 No.7539834

>>7539818
>>7539820

>hasn't watched the video

If I copy and pasted flandre's_theme.mp3 and called it my own song I would be ZUN. There's more or less no difference in the shit in copied from.

I'm going to do that. None of you can complain because "Certain notes sound good next to eachother because of science. A lot of the "stolen" music is just arpeggios, which aren't even oringinal to anyone. They are basic musical constructs."

>flawless logic

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:45:17 No.7539835 >>7539834 typo in the shit he copied from*

Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:47:17 No.7539841

>>7539834
I have to admit that some of them were pretty much the same, but it can't be helped. Did you know that people have twins that are not blood related? Shit happens. Your non blood related twin can look more like you than your brother or sister.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:47:17 No.7539842 Okay, say it wasn't ZUN, but Nintendo or Capcom who made the Touhou series. Are you saying the lawsuits wouldn't rain on top of them like a shitstorm spraying poop?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:48:17 No.7539843 >>7539834 shitty troll is shitty

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:48:17 No.7539846 >>7539834 Yeah, except that's not at all how it worked. >>7539842 They wouldn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:49:17 No.7539848 >>7539843 Mad kid is mad. Nobody is trolling. Watch the video.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:49:17 No.7539850 >>7539842 >>>/b/

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:51:17 No.7539854 >>7539848 That wasn't Flandre's theme, that was Rumia's I think, I haven't played EoSD in a while. That just the cover for the game.

Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:52:17 No.7539857

>>7539842
It happens all the time, that big corporations will settle out-of-court, or intimidate those whose ideas they've stolen with threats of legal fees, "our lawyers and thugs will rape you reputation, career, and family alive", etc.

But a large number of those cases are advised by the plaintiff's lawyers to be untenable, as in "we couldn't win even if tried, because of a combination of legal provisions and legal precedent". Thus the case is not pursued, this is what would happen here, if any person or party tried to sue ZUN.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:53:17 No.7539862 >zun is exposed to be a fraud >immense butthurt ensues from 2 samefags

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:55:17 No.7539869 >>7539848 Indeed nobody is trolling. Because your sad attempt does not even graze the bottom of what could be considered successful trolling. Lurk moar.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:56:17 No.7539874 >>7539862 cutegirl-hating fag-in-denial/thecloset calling others fags oh irony

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 13:59:17 No.7539881 >>7539869 >You didn't troll me, that's why I replied. Just so you know, it doesn't work that way.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:00:17 No.7539885

>>7539862
>>zun is exposed to be a fraud
2009 called, they want their hurtmad back.

Besides, calling him a fraud because of this is exactly the same as calling him a fraud because his games rip off DoDonPachi. Now please, take it easy and stop being such a shitty reactionary.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:01:17 No.7539888 >>7539594 >>7539294 wow I have never seen so much butthurt in this board

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:02:17 No.7539891 >>7539885 >his games rip off DoDonPachi Space Invaders, you mean.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:03:17 No.7539895 >>7539891 Not really, no. Bullet hell is a distinct subgenre.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:03:17 No.7539893 >>7539881 Only disappoint at your shittiness, that's all. It's considerate of me to point out where you need improvement. Trolls aim for RAAGE, not meh.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:05:17 No.7539899 inb4 all works of art are derivative of caveman paintings and banging sticks together billion dollar royalites are owed across the board

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:06:17 No.7539904 Guess what fags, Shooters were never original, they are a genre that by it's nature is the same game every time with only cosmetic changes. Besides more people like Touhou for it's waifus than it's gameplay.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:06:33 No.7539903 >>7539842 ITT: People who don't know shit about music trying to troll and looking like idiots.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:08:17 No.7539908 could someone just post a link to the videos? if it makes you feel butthurt then just hide the thread, jesus christ

Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:09:17 No.7539910

Yet Wiz Kalifa rips off Mitsuda (Chrono Trigger Composer) and it's called music by dumbshits?

Sure Zun may have taken some parts of other songs and integrated them into his own, but at least he puts some effort into it.

Satori Maiden however may be justified slightly in a sense given the character it belongs to. In other words, ZUN was trying to mind screw the one who's playing by giving the illusion that Satori was actually reading our own memories beyond the computer screen.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:09:17 No.7539913 >>7539908 Are you blind. No, you are just another shitty troll.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:10:17 No.7539915 ITT: People who don't know shit about music trying to troll and sounding like idiots. >>7539904 >a genre that by it's nature is the same game every time with only cosmetic changes ITT: People sounding like idiots/general

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:10:17 No.7539917 File: 54 KB, 494x500, 51VZ9DP94VL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7539904 Reimu is a rip-off.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:11:17 No.7539922 >>7539899 also, these billion dollar royalties are owed to the estate of aforementioned cavemen, which happens to be.... let's see.... yup, everybody. Communism time!

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:13:17 No.7539928 >>7539922 And that, kids, is why filesharing should always be legal.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:36:17 No.7539982 ITT: butthurt Honestly i've never seen such a perfect copy of something in my entire life.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:38:17 No.7539988 >>7539982 >Is actually the one getting mad. Its ok to cry.

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>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 14:39:17 No.7539992 >>7539982 > OH BOY I CAN RECOGNIZE A PHRASE OF MUSICS, I'M SO SPECIAL

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 15:11:17 No.7540092 File: 36 KB, 141x160, 1197714m4und2j0b6.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7539992 >>7539988 >ZUN copy and pastes someones song and calls it his own >his autistic defense team cries

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 15:20:17 No.7540130 File: 72 KB, 600x450, 0341020246dcee2b3d3c2a6da09b770938701c66.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7540092 Finally someone's not a blatant fag is criticizing ZUN ITT. Unless that Dokruo is a futa...

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Mon, Jun 27, 2011 15:35:17 No.7540168 Nothing more embarrassing than ZUN stealing from Mcroll

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jun 27, 2011 15:53:17 No.7540241 >66 posts and 11 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view. I thought we'd been over this approximately ten thousand times before.

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