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So..would these guys be nice as a group?

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>>7469945
Type-Moon fanbase is even worse than the Touhou fanbase.

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[The Monster Hunter !PqK3XJWyYA No.]

I don't even comprehend the crossover. Aside from all the animals parts. Is that the joke?

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FSN is a shonen if you strip all of the porn that it has. It's complete with overbearing dumbass moralfag MC that grows as the game goes on and it's riddled with powerlevel combat shit.

Yeah, Naruto and FSN has more in common than you think. So does Naruto and Shirou. They don't know when to shut up.

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Type Mercury (ORT) = Ado Edem > Dark Sakura > Type Venus > Type Moon (Crimson Moon) > Primate Murder > Original Roa > Angra Mainyu > Zelretch (young) > Type Jupiter > Type Saturn > Type Pluto > Counter Guardian Archer > Gilgamesh (Tohsaka) > Gilgamesh (Kotomine) = Arcueid (standard 30%) > Dark Saber > Lancelot = Saber > Tohno SHIKI = Alba = Heaven’s Feel Shirou = Kiri > Nanaya Shiki = Reinforced Kuzuki = Sion = UBW Shirou = Waver = Bazett > Avenger = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Luvia > Kiritsugu = Irisviel > Maiya = Leysritt = Tsukihime Satsuki = Lio = Avalon Shirou = Sakura = Ilya = Kariya = Len > Kirie = Hisui = Kohaku = Caren = Meruka > 5th Berserker = 17th Roa (Elesia) > Dark Berserker > 4th Rider = 5th Lancer (optimal) > 4th Lancer = 5th Rider (Sakura/optimal) = 4th Caster (optimal) > 5th Lancer (Kotomine) = 5th Caster = 4th Caster (Ryuunosuke) > 5th Rider (Shinji) > Archer > Kouma > 5th Assassin = 4th Assassin > Aoko = Barthomeloi = Kojirou = Ciel = "Ryougi Shiki" = Souren Araya (within the Ogawa Building) > Gun God (Black Barrel) > Nrvnqsr = Clairvoyant Fujino = Kurogiri > Touko = El-Melloi = Night of Wallachia > Sion Tatari = Melty Blood Satsuki = R.Shiki = Akiha = Asagami Fujino = 18th Roa > The Dead = Possessed Corpse = Azaka = Misayo = Dragon Tooth Warrior = Fuji-nee > Fake Shiki > Gun God (unequipped) = Ryuunosuke = Tomoe = Shinji

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>>7470000
So Zelretch is ranked as when he was young but Arcueid isn't ranked at full power? So much faggotry.

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>>7470487
It's not supposed to be taken seriously.
What would happen if some faggot made a tl;dr comparison list about indexgun powerlevels? No one would give a shit.
But because it came from 2ch everyone is treating it like it's the word from Nasu itself or something. It was made by some japanese equivalent of an /a/ faggot and everyone gets their pants in a twist over it.

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>>7470487
>So Zelretch is ranked as when he was young but Arcueid isn't ranked at full power?
Being the time manipulating person he is, there is always a young one around.

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>>7469948

You take it back.

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>>7470524
Ability to manipulate paralel worlds =/= ability to manipulate time. Time manipulation is another Sorcery.

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>>7470668

Technically by the nature of infinite worlds, it counts.

Just, you find a world identical except a thousand years back, or something like that.

Besides, it's openly out and said, 100% true Arcueid (not raging) is = Crimson Brunestud.

Raging Arc is unknown because she'd just be an unleashed Demon King.

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>>7469984

>It's complete with overbearing dumbass moralfag MC

Shirou at least has an explanation for why he is what he is.

He's a person who had his personality burnt away and replaced with a sword.

A sword is a tool to reach your ideals, and he got an ideal imprinted on him by Kiritsugu, who's a much more complex character.


Shirou's not even that stupid, really. He just totally and utterly lacks a concept of self-preservation.

All the "moralfag" behavior comes from Kiritsugu. And he at least acknowledges that it's a foolish, hopeless goal in all 3 routes.
In Fate, he accepts that, and opts to do as much as he can without attempting the impossible.
In UBW, he accepts it and chooses to persevere anyway for the sake of the concept, rather than the end goal.
In HF, he abandons that entirely. Did you forget?

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>>7470723
>In UBW, he accepts it and chooses to persevere anyway for the sake of the concept, rather than the end goal.
Which changes absolutely nothing. I don't even have a problem with Fate or HF, but this essentially comes down to

>It's wrong in every way but since it's so beautiful I'll pursue it until I become EMIYA!

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>>7470668
Zeltretch does in fact not only manipulate paralell worlds, but both time&space.
It is one of the main reasons he is so high up on the lists anyway.

But in either case, its stated he can't even nearly do the 4th wall breaking stuff he could do as young.
(But considering his young self still potentially can, anything can happen with an infinite amount of worlds with him.)

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>>7470751

Except, he won't be as angry about it as Archer was.

And hell, he even made Archer feel better about himself by saying that.

It was more convincing himself that while it's fundamentally flawed, it's not intrinsically"bad".

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>>7470759
Yes, but as you said, he's still doing the same thing with no hope of changing. At least in Fate, we know he won't go that far because he ends up with Saber.
In UBW, there's really no indication at all that he won't pursue his ideal until the very end like Archer has. The only thing potentially stopping him is Rin, but this just parallels Archer's own past.

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FSN is shit.

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>>7470678
>Besides, it's openly out and said, 100% true Arcueid (not raging) is = Crimson Brunestud

Source? Cite the source, because that wasn't stated ANYWHERE. Crimson Moon is a man, he is not an elemental, and has completely different abilities from Arcueid.

So no, the Crimson Moon inside Arc is different, and yet according to her profile in MBAA, she is explicitly stated to be the same as the normal Arc, and not a different personality. But she is still different from normal 100% Arc, since her mindset is different despite not being a different personality (but an aspect). So yeah, 100%Arcueid = ArcheType Earth (technically) =/= Crimson Moon = Type Moon.

There is no excuse for placing not Arcueid at full power in that rank. Since 100% Arc is still Arc in terms of mind and identity, and CM is a completely different entity.

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>>7470678
Also, that's really not how paralel worlds work. It's paralel worlds not paralel timelines. Therefore even if Zelretch travels to a paralel world the Zelretch in there would be either dead (of old age) or vampire Zelretch.

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I'm pretty sure Ado Adem shouldn't be ranked that high. His only special ability is that his sword could grow to any length, allowing him to take down the larger TYPEs. Aside from that, he was no different from the other Ether Liners.

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>>7470812
What if there was a parallel world where he stopped aging?
If we're to assume there is an infinite amount of parallel worlds (bullshit in physics), this is a possibility.

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>>7470815
And what makes you think he can find it? That'll be far worse than searching for a needle in a haystack. Not to mention he can't stop the degradation of the soul as long as his base is human, no matter how much he extends his lifespan.

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>>7470828
>And what makes you think he can find it?
What makes you think he can't? We don't have enough information for this line of discussion.

Also, the original post was talking about how there would always be a young Zeltretch around. It doesn't matter if this one dies as long as the next one is still aware of the situation.

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>>7470796

I didn't say "=" as in "same person", but "same power rating".

Roa comments that Archetype: Earth is on the same level as Crimson Moon.

>>7470814

It also cuts apart the world in the same manner as Enuma Elish CONSTANTLY.
And it can destroy Aristoteles's physical forms, if not "kill" them.

The man went toe-to-toe with two Aristoteles and successfully took out their bodies. That is insane levels of damage.

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>>7470843
>It doesn't matter if this one dies as long as the next one is still aware of the situation

It matters since a younger Zelretch won't be aware of the situation of an older version of him in a "future" paralel world.

Like I said, Zelretch has the power to move and manipulate paralel worlds, not paralel timelines. The guy is already broken as fuck, stop fanwanking him even further.

>>7470845
Roa said she is a trascendent on the same scale as Crimson Moon. But scale =/= power, and dropping the moon towards the Earth already far surpasses everything Arc has done. So I'd say it's more like CM >= 100% Arc.

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>>7470863

So put it in, if you like.

"Type Moon (Crimson Moon) [≥ Archetype: Earth] > Primate Murder"

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>>7470863
>The guy is already broken as fuck, stop fanwanking him even further.

No one is fanwanking him. You were saying it wasn't fair to rank Zeltretch that way and not apply it to Arc and all I'm saying is that there will always be a younger version of him out there somewhere, so it's technically valid. No one's fanwanking anything here.

>>7470845
>It also cuts apart the world in the same manner as Enuma Elish CONSTANTLY.
So why didn't he stand out in the war with the other Ether Liners? Why did he only gain importance once the TYPEs came? The answer is in the fact that his sword can grow.

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>>7470876

>So why didn't he stand out in the war with the other Ether Liners?

If you meant the war with the A-Rays, it's because they're WALKING NUKES.
Having that special world-dividing attribute doesn't matter, they all kill each other dead just as easily because neither A-Rays or Ether Liners have the defensive level comparable to the Aristoteles.

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>>7470723
>Shirou's not even that stupid, really. He just totally and utterly lacks a concept of self-preservation.
Just like Naruto.

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