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[Anonymous No.]

>he thinks Zelda is better than Ys

[Anonymous No.]

What the FUCK is Ys?

[Anonymous No.]

That reminds me that I need to beat Ys Seven.

[­­­wtH !HELLB/V.96 No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone who thinks that hasn't played Ys

[Anonymous No.]

>Ys
that's not how you spell Kawata Shoujou
thats not even the correct acronym
what are you even doing OP?

[Anonymous No.]

now im curious, will try playing later

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455012
>Shoujou

[Necrobrotent No.]

Landstalker - The Treasures of King Nole > that stuff you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

Zelda definitely is. Ys 1/2 were great but just don't have the gameplay to match up, and almost all the later Ys's weren't that great, whereas Zelda has good games here and there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455053

oh man, this so much.

[b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc No.]

>>7455053
Pretty much.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good Ys to start at if one has never played the series before?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455082
That's weird since 7 and Felghana are the best of the series.

[Anonymous No.]

You are right, yet I do not approve of this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455099
They were terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455096
Just start at the beginning. Ys Eternal.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455096
Can't go wrong with any of the newer ones - Ark of Napishtim, Oath in Felghana or Origin. Ys Seven for PSP is the easiest to get into, but it's nothing like the others.

The older games haven't aged too well.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>Landstalker

Liked it better when it was called ALUNDRA, and I liked that better when it was called ZELDA, and I liked that better when it was called <insert game here>

How did Nikki from Yume Nikki become this type of meme anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7454946

I like both

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck Zelda. Ys is where it's always been at.

[Anonymous No.]

> he thinks Ys is good

thelegendofzeldawasjusttoomainstream.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

I never played any of those games

[Anonymous No.]

I like both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455443
Thank you for your input.

[Anonymous No.]

> decide to try the Ys series
> start with the first one
> hold forward to win
> nope
> try the second one
> same thing
> nope 2: the revenge of nope
> try the third one
> buggy as HELL
> hitboxes don't even make sense
> character swing his sword rapid-fire like a retard for no reason
> nope 3: the quest for maybe

Seriously, why are these awful games still being made?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455449
Harder modes are there for a reason.

[Francis York Morgan !mbHjxjfHlA No.]

RPGs are worthless if they do not have good stories or characters. The story in every Ys game I have played has been generic shit.

Go play real action games instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455495
This thread is for comparing Ys and LoZ.

Are you implying that LoZ has a good story?

[Anonymous No.]

> Harder modes are there for a reason.

> implying increased difficulty can fix broken game mechanics

[Anonymous No.]

The only ARPG as good as Ys is Terranigma.
Zelda is fun, but outside of Link's Awakening and maybe Majora's Mask, it's far from being that good.

[Francis York Morgan !mbHjxjfHlA No.]

>>7455509
No, I'm saying they're both shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455495

So you play games for the story, and yet you name yourself after a character form Deadly Premonition?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455053
>>7455092
>>7455094
wow other people who played Landstalker. /jp/ has surprising good taste at times.

That said, I love the older Zelda games. Something just started changing with the N64 era and by the gamecube era I just stopped playing them.

That said, I still love Ys, however the early Zelda games are right there with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455894
I play story-based games for the story, yes. And Deadly Premonition is an awful game, but it has a highly entertaining story.

RPGs are story-based games. If you strip out the story, you get nothing but a repetitive grindfest that takes little to no skill. Why would anyone play them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7455982
I dunno, I just see Ys/Zelda as an action/exploration game. Fast combat and hard bosses in Ys, while Zelda's combat is lighter but has the dungeon exploration to it. And for that matter, I find the original Zelda to be the best in the sense that you can actually roam around and skip dungeons, blow up secret walls, and the enemies deal solid damage while you have the option of finding cool shit to trick yourself out. They let up on this in the later games, and it's disappointing.

As for them bring RPGs, I don't really find any videogame to be a real role-playing game where you actually control a heavy influence to the story in which you have real options throughout the game (last minute decisions/3 endings doesn't really cut it. Not even Deus Ex).

So pretty much JRPGs I view as strategy games, same for SRPGs. These action RPGs pretty much boil down to action games, no amount of interesting story or stats change it for me.

[Francis York Morgan !mbHjxjfHlA No.]

>>7456084
But in a game like Ys, if the story and characters have zero appeal, why not just play Ninja Gaiden or Devil May Cry or any other pure action game for infinitely deeper combat?

I feel the same way about traditional RPGs (like Final Fantasy and such). They're extremely simplistic compared to pure strategy games, but the story, characters, music, high production values, and all of that stuff keep them interesting. If that stuff isn't appealing, then I just don't see the point in playing them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7456119

Yeah, I know what you mean about moving on to a more complex game like the ones you mentioned or say God Hand.

I guess what it boils down to is that while the more complex game mechanics lead to a good, rewarding experience in a better game, it's also worth mentioning or playing the simpler, yet also well-designed game.

R-type and Gradius are pretty straightforward compared to the newer shmups' scoring systems, mechanics, bullet patterns, and speed. But what makes the two noteworthy is that while mechanically simpler, the games take into account your options while balancing the game around the more limiting options. Certain Gradius bosses are designed to be frustrating considering you can only fire straight forward which forces you to wait out a pattern until the core is vulnerable, or position an option carefully to get around this limitation.

The deeper game has the challenge of taking into account the more diverse array of options/outcomes while balancing the game around them. I think both types of games are incredibly fun and interesting as long as executed correctly.

And yeah, the typical RPG hasn't undergone a much a single transformation in ages in substance. Most of the big names are just flaring polish with no substance behind them, like empty aesthetics which in the end feel bad since it's mismatched to the poor strategy of the game.

[Anonymous No.]

Majora's Mask is still the best game in every aspect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7456778

[Anonymous No.]

>Ys
what's dat?

[PRINNY !nLFbzB/0pw No.]

>>7456785
A fantastic RPG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7456786
for kids of 9 years old or younger

[PRINNY !nLFbzB/0pw No.]

>>7456800
I enjoyed it and I'm older than 9. Didn't have that charm that I felt playing Zelda: Oracle of Ages, but it was in no means a terrible game.

[Anonymous No.]

I've only played like two Zelda games but Ys as a series sucks copious amounts of ass, the only people who like it are gay falcom hipsters who think they're hardcore

[Anonymous No.]

I say screw both of those games and pick up Monster Hunter and/or Elder Scrolls. Both of which are infinitely superior to the former.

[Anonymous No.]

>not playing DQ and Eiyuu Densetsu

[Anonymous No.]

>>7457030
every single dragon quest game is utter shit

[Anonymous No.]

I'll always love Ocarina of Time and its ilk.
I'll always choose Ys over Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass/Spirit Tracks.

[Anonymous No.]

Modern Ys > Modern Zelda > Old Zelda > Old Ys

Also, Nightwolve is STILL MAD

[Anonymous No.]

Majoras Mask truly was like a subtle drug-induced trip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7457020

I actually like all of those series except Elder Scrolls. Dunno what it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>troll thread on /jp/

also this >>7455429

[Anonymous No.]

>this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>7457092
Majora's Mask sucked.

[Anonymous No.]

Translation of Origins and Ys V when?