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7421347 No.7421347 [Reply] [Original]

Did the Reisen player ever fight that guy from the last thread? I wanted to see what tricks he discovered with Eyesight Cleaning.

>> No.7421499

I don't think he did, no.

That guy posted a video of him gigglepooping on CPU Yuyu, though.

>> No.7421520

I think I'm going to ask here, how the hell do you deal with Suika? I hate fighting her. I don't know why, but it seems as if so many of her attacks beat mine even if they come out later. F5A? Gets beaten out by 66C. It's the same with a lot of her moves, I can't hit her and she's a pain to deal with. It's even worse when I use Meiling, most of my attacks seem to get beaten by hers.

>> No.7421523

Fight games are dildos.

>> No.7421560

>>7421520
I was a Suika main when I played the game, and the biggest thing I can tell you is to block if you're not sure. Suika can't put on the pressure like the really good characters can, so you can block a lot more than usual and throw out attacks when you know you're gonna win out. Granted, you're gonna have to come out eventually, since she CAN force movement with 5C, but she doesn't have nasty blockstrings and corner rape like, say, Sakuya does.

Also, watch for the 2Cs. They're her best spacing move, and they come out quick, but they're way more effective if she uses them closer to you. Don't let her space you with them and she's a slow Youmu with a graze attack.

>> No.7421581

>>7421560

I see...I guess the big problem is that I usually find myself beaten by the range on her melee moves combined with her small size, although her bullets give me some troubles as well. I like being aggressive and I feel as if it's not working at all. She's the only AI that I might occasionally lose a match to when I use some of the characters I'm worse at.

>> No.7421596

why is aya so bad

>> No.7421612

>>7421596

They nerfed her damage. A lot of times.

>> No.7421624

>>7421596
tasofro cannot into balancing

>> No.7421658

>>7421596
She was god tier in SWR demo to 1.06. Some of her bnb combos do 1000 damage less than back then.


>>7421581
Approach her with bullet cover. Suika doesn't have much density on hers so you'll beat her out of her own.

>> No.7421659

>>7421612
no kidding. I did a 6ish hits combo yesterday then finished with 3card domination

~1600 damage

yeah I probably fucked up and made the damage ratio way too low somehow but holy shit it's still stupid

>> No.7421681

>>7421659

You probably didn't mess up. I just played SWR, I could get 2k combos easy, but it's extremely difficult to do in Soku without any spellcards. It's hard to break 1.5k when the enemy is low on health. She could use some damage buffs.

>> No.7421683
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7421683

Surprise default laser into her upwards laser spellcard is the best thing ever.

>> No.7421761

>>7421658

That explains why she's so god damn hard when I use Meiling at least, her bullets are terrible. But I can try that with Sakuya and Sanae at least.

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7421900

May as well.

>> No.7423487

bump

>> No.7424130

This thread needs a new purpose

>> No.7424162

>>7421761
Meiling vs Suika is silly unless the Meiling is really good. Against decent Meilings I still won that match using only 6B, 2C, and j.6A.

>> No.7424221

>>7424162

I kind of figured considering even AI Suika gives me trouble as Meiling.

>> No.7424244

>>7424221
>>7424162
This saddens me because I played with Suika against a Meiling a few days ago and almost lost

>> No.7424246

>>7424130
Like matchmaking?

>> No.7424259
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7424259

>they still have to try against AI

>> No.7424273
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The only reason I play this game is to BEHOLD! OPTIC BLAST!

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>>7424273
It's too bad she will never be in anymore games.

RIP Udonge.

>> No.7424325

>>7424244
Get used to playing that person. After you get a handle on his cues, you should be able to interrupt him with 6B fairly often, which really frustrates them. Once they get annoyed enough it's even easier to set up for the j.6A j.6B, which in turn only frustrates them even more.

Suika vs Meiling was my take it easy match, where I would experiment with fun things like lolistomp pressure.

>> No.7424348

nah, the most troublesome cpuz are reimu and aya. not to the extend of losing life to them of course.

>> No.7425679

>>7424348
Try fighting Sakuya and Reisen.

>> No.7425720

>>7424294
No! Don't give up on her! Youmu became playable again; there's hope for Reisen yet!

>> No.7425742
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7425742

>>7425720

So, one day, we may find her.....Reisen from the grave?

>> No.7425772
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>> No.7425777

>>7425772
>iwish.gif
Maybe next game......

I'd do anything to be able to play with Koishi in a fighting game.

I'm sure there are mugens for that but that's not the same

>> No.7425791

>>7425772
Who could that mysterious figure next to Hatate be?

>> No.7425797

>>7425791
You are either talking about Nue or Aya

>> No.7425809

>>7425791
UNNERFED AYA
I WANT TO BELIEVE

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>>7425742
are you kidding me

>> No.7425840
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>>7425809
Some day, anonymous...

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>>7425810

Hatea's gonna hate.

Opportunities such as those don't come along often and must be capitalized on.

>> No.7425851

>>7425842
Yeah, I see how you mean. You see an opportunity like that, you gotta Milk it for all it's worth.

>> No.7425854

>>7425851
Wait, that's Medicine, isn't it? Dangit...

>> No.7425858
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7425858

>>7425742
After PoFV, Eirin used a diluted form of the Hourai elixer on Reisen and buried her alive as part of some sadistic experiment. Now, in Touhou 13.5, Reisen returns to get her revenge!

>> No.7425867

>>7425840

I could dig it. Don't buff her too much, but she's kind of sucky now. Speed up Domination Dash and increase her damage by a bit and all will be fine.

>> No.7427520

Does soku caster use rollbacks?

>> No.7427530

>>7427520
No, it's just a proxy.

>> No.7427551

>>7427530
How is it any better than the default netplay?

>> No.7427572

>>7427551
It isn't, it's just a glorified chat client.
Instead of going from player to player it goes from player to server to player, it's really retarded.

>> No.7427577

>>7427551
Regular netplay delay 6-7 would translate to 3-4 with lobster. Pretty good, if it wasn't for the seemingly pretty non-standard netcode making it harder for some people to play together (e.g. 61/63 fps issue).

>> No.7427800

>>7427551
It's okay, but I've only really used it a few times. I was getting 2 delay to Canada, being on East Coast, so I'd say it's improved a bit from the regular netcode.

Most players on there are also laggy BR's and South Americans. Or SEA players, though. And you'll find people that complain quite a bit, then again it might just be my bad luck.

>> No.7428656

>>7427800
>>7427577
Get Forex devs, those values are fake, I always get better actual lag without the chat client.

>> No.7430132

http://tasofro.net/touhou123/download.html

>> No.7430146

>>7428656
Basic Soku netplay dumps 90% of the lag problems on the joiner, so if you always hosted, then you'll definitely see Lobby being worse. Lobby is still a piece of crap regardless for a bunch of other reason, but it at least balances out the latency penalties a little more.

>> No.7430150

>>7430146
>for a bunch of other reason
Which are?

>> No.7430165

>>7430150
Frequent crashes. Doesn't close correctly regardless. Additional overhead. Completely shits itself for 5+ seconds every time there is any kind of connection hiccup. Annoying extra 'features' that nobody wants.

And then there are all the things that Caster did for IaMP, EFZ, and MBAC which Lobby doesn't, starting with viewing ping without joining to spectating to broadcast to automated replay recording. Instead, lobby will spam automated messages at you if you type character names in a chat window.

>> No.7430172

I want to get better with Aya and Patchy, does anyone have some basic advice that might help me? Things to remember, advantages/disadvantages to keep in mind, skill/spellcards to note/avoid, etc.?

>> No.7430174

>>7430172
Use different characters.

>> No.7430179

>>7430174

Let me guess, I should only be using Remilia/Yuyuko/Yukari?

>> No.7430195

>>7430179

I dunno why he said that. Patchy is considered pretty good from what I remember.

>> No.7430200

>>7430195

I know why he said it, it's because fighting game fans are assholes who criticize you if you use anything other than S-tier characters, and I can see Hisou is no different.

>> No.7430206

>>7430195
You remember very wrong.

>> No.7430207

>>7430200
REAL fighting game fans think Hisoutensoku is a shitty game, so you're free to play whoever you like.

>> No.7430219

>>7430200

If we're going purely on tier lists, Patchy is considered better than Yukari anyways. Although the accuracy of that list is debatable, but oh well.

>> No.7430233

>>7430200

Actually, we're most bothered by people using the same gimmicks over and over despite being repeatedly shown that they don't work and you need to change up your tactics.

>> No.7430241

>>7430172
Crows is Aya's best skill. Have them out at all times. Needs level 1 to be air usable. Default 214 needs level 1 to come out faster.
All of Patchouli's normal moves have uses and you must learn all of them, especially 2c and all of her bs.

>> No.7430252

>>7430241

Everyone tells me the crows are useless and they rarely work for me in-game.

>> No.7430261

>>7430252
They're right. Aya's speed is her mobility and you have to stay at close range to keep other people from overwhelming your shitty bullets. Crows are only good for absorbing a bullet or two and maybe a really shitty oki.

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>>7430261
>Aya's speed is her mobility

>> No.7430264

>>7430261

And here's the other thing I was worried about, being told two completely contradictory things, because fighting game fans don't want you beating them, so they feed you bullshit lies to make you worse so they can stomp you easier. Whatever, I don't feel like sifting through lies and BS because I felt like making the effort to get better at a game I enjoy playing.

>> No.7430279

>>7430262
Mean to write "Aya is speed and mobility."

Sue me.

>> No.7430280

I main aya. Crows aren't that great, I usually just do em after a knockdown, thinking of switching to rocks.

other skills I use are alt nado 236, domination dash and alt 22 tengu drum

aaa 2b 6c (wallslam) is a basic aya combo. at that point depending on distance you can chain another one, try to surprise with a crossup (or fake crossup), use a spellcard (4card crows will combo, amongst others)

if they're on the ground and you land a j5a, you can just keep doing j6b 66 j5a j6b 66 j5a j6b and then 214B (some other things work too, even tengu drum will combo in corner)

if you have nado alt skill : aaa 2b 5c 236c hj5c

also you can cancel tengu drum stomp with spellcards, as well as the follow up

>> No.7430282

>>7430252
Of course they won't 'work for you' if you suck with them. I bet you don't use 6c or 2b, either
Persistant projectiles are good because they allow to pressure the opponent while letting you move where you want on the screen. Not only do crows stay out a long time, but you can set them on yourself or over the opponent, they don't disappear when you get hit, and they absorb any attacks.
But that's ok. Go listen to 'everyone else' instead.
>>7430179

>> No.7430292

>>7430282
Crows are weak, not confirmable, not dense, too few, and have too small an attack range to be useful as persistent. They do not synchronise with Aya's strengths at all.

>> No.7430298

>>7430282
>>7430292

See, two completely contradictory statements from two random anonymous sources. I have literally no idea which one I'm supposed to believe. Clearly crows can't be her best AND worst skill. Either I'm wasting my time practicing with them or wasting my time using other skills. Either way, someone's lying to me and it's impossible to tell who, and that's why I hate trying to get better at fighting games.

>> No.7430310

>>7430298
All of Aya's 421 skills are pretty bad. You shouldn't be relying on any of them.

>> No.7430313

>>7430298
I doubt they're lying to you. Just two different opinions.

You shouldn't bother too much with it, really. Go with what's comfortable for you and just switch if it ends up not working too well.

Take it easy.

>> No.7430335

>>7430313

Nothing works well for me because I'm bad at the game, and I can't get better because every time someone gives me advice, someone else comes in and tells me not to listen to that person because he's completely wrong and THIS is what you should be doing. Nothing I do on my own works, so I clearly need help and advice, which I unfortunately cannot get.

>> No.7430336

>>7430298
Perhaps you should get better at reading and THINKING FOR ONESELF. Guess that's hard to do if you're worried about who to believe and where the information comes from instead of the information itself.

>>7430292
Sure, the crows themselves don't do much, but if you can't follow up crow hits with a combo, that shows a lack of skill on your part by either having slow reaction times or not moving with them properly.
I'm not sure how 'impenetrable to all forms of attack' doesn't count as dense to you. Maybe if you're looking for soemthing that passes through other attacks, but if tha's the case, you're using the wrong character. And ignoring 6c. Half a zoomed-in horizontal screen distance, full vertical zoom distance, plus the distance they cover while coming on screen is too small an attack range?? lol. If you haven't noticed, since 1.10, all moves have been nerfed at the default level. One skill card is all it takes to make the card even better than it already is. Higher than that is almost overkill with the number of crows you get, which also increases its duration.

What better way to take advantage of Aya's strengths than to completely shut down the opponent's attacks and restrict their movement whilst having complete freedom to move and attack as you see fit?

>> No.7430355

>>7430336
>Guess that's hard to do if you're worried about who to believe and where the information comes from instead of the information itself.

Why shouldn't I be worried about who to believe and the source of the information? As a fighting game fan, I know that inevitably, some moves or even characters will be very difficult to use well if not utterly useless. There's a lot of things I don't understand about fighting games. I'm wrong about a lot of things. It's gotten to the point where I feel like it's better if I just shut up my own stupid face and let other people tell me what to do and work with that. But then you get people telling me to use one move while someone else tells me it's useless and I need to use another. It's overwhelming, it's confusing, and it's off-putting because I'm left at the same place I was before I asked - with no idea what I'm supposed to do.

>> No.7430362

>>7430336
A.) Only time you have the opening to do that is on knock downs
B.) If you're actually confirming combos into real damage, you're not going to have the spirit to waste on garbage okizemi like that.
C.) It shuts down shit. A simple jump or backstep gets you out of their range. The only thing it shuts down are basic jumps straight into them.

>> No.7430385

Aya crows suck. I've never seen an Aya worth her salt even begin to use that move as even oki. The spellcard has its uses, but the default special is trash.

>> No.7430391 [DELETED] 

West Coast hosting.

75.18.198.41:10800

I'm a really shitty player. You could defeat me if the only spell card you used were frozen frogs, catfish, and Okuu's really shitty alt 214 symbols.

>> No.7430403 [DELETED] 

>>7430391

I would bet money that this is one of the best players you'll ever see and is trying to trick bad players into playing him so he can completely crush them.

>> No.7430411

Hosting West Coast 75.18.198.41:10800.

Might not work due to hardware reconfiguration.

I'm really really bad.

>> No.7430420

>>7430411

Anyone who says they're really bad is an extremely good, skilled player trying to trick bad players into matches with them so they can utterly crush them and feel better about themselves.

>> No.7430424

>>7430420
You'll stop thinking that after the seventh fullscreen rocket whiff.

>> No.7430446

>>7430411
GGs. Sorry, only had time for two. Also you shouldn't let lag overpower your reasoning. 3A on wakeup is a terrible idea, and if it were not for the jumps, you would have gotten hit pretty hard for that.

>> No.7430445 [DELETED] 

I told you I was bad.

Rehosting.

>> No.7430454

>>7430446
GGs, thanks for the games.

I haven't played in a while, but I'm not going to blame that, I was shitty before my little vacation too (mash wakeup all day.) Hopefully I can reduce my levels of full birdbrain over the next few days.

Rehosting.

>> No.7430482

>>7430454

>Oh I'm terrible, I'm so bad
>beats me with Alice, one of the worst characters in the game

Well don't you feel so good about yourself.

>> No.7430502

>>7430482
There are different levels of bad (or possibly new, in your case?). I can take one in maybe twenty games off everybody in the IRC channel, and the same goes for most of the games I host in /jp/ where I don't run into a newcomer is an endless string of losses. If you were watching the previous two games you would have seen how thoroughly I was dismantled by the basic Yukari corner combo (baited all my bombs and hangekis, caught me trying to HJ out four out of five times, etc).

I'm assuming that you're just inexperienced with netplay and not just bad like I am. I've been playing for a whole lot of months.

>> No.7430510

>>7430502

I've been playing for months myself, I'm just fucking dumb and don't understand half the terminology everyone says. I do know that when I see people playing bottom-tier characters, I can't help but assume they're just doing it so they can blame their losses on the character choice but rub their victories in the other's face because LOL YOU LOST TO ______.

>> No.7430513

Sorry, lagging too much. Let me try to relocate closer to the wireless.

>> No.7430523

>>7430510
Alice is one of the characters that I play the second most often, tied with Remilia after Okuu. If I see somebody who's not as good as I am, I switch to one of my lower-tier characters.

If you want to know what everyone's doing, this link used to be in all the 12.3 netplay threads, but at some point they died and never game back: hisouten.koumakan.jp

Learn your character's basic bread and butter combos, use practice mode to refine your execution, and prepare to play online and lose a whole shit ton of games. I lost the first hundred games I played.

>>7430513
Mm, I'll rehost in a sec.

>> No.7430525

>>7430523

>says he's bad
>switches to a lower-tier character against me
>thus implies that I am worse than him

>> No.7430550

>>7430525
Yes. It is possible for you to be worse than a bad player.

>> No.7430585

>>7430513
GGs, thanks for the games.

I guess one of us has a wooden router or something. Might be on my end, since my connection has been chopping up intermittently lately.

>>7430525
Again, what I want to emphasize is that skill is relative, and I'm speaking to the community I expect to find around here. Compared to the Hisouten community in Soku Lobby, /jp/, and the IRC, I'm extremely bad, to the point where people actually don't want to play against me. If you don't do netplay often, or if you come from a community where the people who aren't that skilled, even a "bad" player may be able to defeat you.

>> No.7430587

Jesus Christ, what happened to these threads? Discussion and tactics have always been a part of Soku threads, but they used to be a much friendlier place, even with all of the tourneyfaggotry going on... 'tis a sad sight to behold...

>> No.7430597

>>7430585
Probably mine, I'm on wireless and can't find the cable.
It wasn't all that bad except for the last one...

>> No.7430601

>>7430587

Fighting game discussion is never friendly.

>>7430585

It's still a goddamn insult no matter how you explain it. I'm trying to do my best and put up a fight but you keep switching characters just to rub in how bad I am. I can't get practice if someone like you just goes OH LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT, I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TRY

>> No.7430613

>>7430601
What? I switch characters almost every time, it's not an insult or anything. And people who play Alice a lot can do some fairly decent things with her. You really do place too much importance on tiers...

>> No.7430621

>>7430601

It's not necessarily a good idea to look at it that way. As a character switcher myself, I tend to do it because I absolutely love using a ton of characters, even if I'm worse with some of them because I want to learn them, and it gives me experience. While his explanation sounded insulting, a person that does the character switch isn't necessarily insulting you.

>> No.7430623

>>7430613

So does everyone else in the fighting game community. "Oh, you're using character X, they're only B-tier! Use Character Y, they're A/S-tier."

Also, you don't QUIT GAMES just to change characters.

>> No.7430625

>>7430601

most people will switch to a character they aren't so good with if they are handing you your own ass.

It's when they switch to Suwako and win.... that's when you know that they could probably beat you with only one hand on the controller with any other character. That's not a fun feel.

>> No.7430638

>>7430621

Again, STOPPING THE GAME just to change to a character that's worse. "No, no, wait, it'll be even funnier if I beat you with THIS character!"

I wasn't even doing too bad in the game he aborted. That's the worst part, and that's why it felt too much like "Oh, you might actually beat me, let me use this sucky character so I can have an excuse if I lose but get to feel pride if I win."

>>7430625

Is any of that supposed to make me feel better?

>> No.7430641

>>7430625

Some people are just better at using those lower tier characters, doesn't necessarily mean they can beat you with the better characters. Admittedly it's usually due to their lack of experience with said better characters though, I'm one of those kinds of guys, although I'm still mediocre overall.

>> No.7430644

>>7430638

If he stopped the game, yeah that's kind of silly. I don't like being stopped mid match no matter how badly I'm getting annihilated.

>> No.7430648

>>7430601
I switched characters after one game. There was no game after the second. I don't understand why you are unable to practice Soku against an Alice player, and I don't particularly care that you're taking offense because you're being incredibly unreasonable.

>>7430623
I didn't quit the game just to change characters. I knocked you out with Okuu so I switched to Alice (game ended, "I don't read newspapers quotes" came up), particularly given how the Okuu versus Aya matchup is one of the most infuriating play if you can't take advantage of Aya's quick moves to punish Okuu's slow ones and get utterly crushed by her gigantic dense bullets.

If somebody recognizes that they can utterly crush me with Iku, I would rather have them switch to a matchup that will be less crushing because I would rather play a game than be a punching bag.

>> No.7430659

>>7430648

What are you talking about? The game didn't end, we both still had health. I didn't get any victory quote, the game just ended right in the middle. That's a bald-faced lie.

>> No.7430663

>>7430659
Then we had a desync, as on my end I saw that I knocked you out, and my screen showed Okuu's "I'm sorry, I don't usually read newspapers," victory quote over Aya.

>> No.7430668

>>7430663

How is that even possible? How is it posible for one person to be further ahead in the SAME MATCH than the other person?! That makes no goddamn sense.

>> No.7430676

>>7430668
It starts with a "D" and ends with an "esync."

On my end, I threw up a Subterranean Sun, comboed 5A into 3A and you went into the sun and took infinity damage.

My replay, on the other, is completely broken.

>> No.7430683

>>7430676

You're trying to tell me that you were fighting me in the fucking future? Then what was I doing on your end, just standing there? That's utter bullshit.

>> No.7430692

>>7430683
No, I'm trying to tell you that there was a desync, so your inputs weren't getting through, so our game states started to differ. I'm assuming your inputs didn't go through, because you didn't block my 5A.

There's no need for me to explain anything more than that. Desyncs happen all the fucking time. If you choose to disbelieve in them and instead choose to believe in your paranoid conspiracy theory that I made up all this shit just to make you look stupid that's not my problem..

>> No.7430697

>>7430683
Holy shit. Is this the first time you've ever played a fighting game online? How retarded can you be?

>> No.7430699

>>7430692

I have never ever had someone either quit on me and tell me they won, or beat someone and had them tell me I abandoned the match. This is literally the first time it's happened, so I'm a little leery of someone who claims they won a match that got abandoned halfway through.

>> No.7430721 [DELETED] 

>>7430699
I have nothing more to say on this matter.

Will rehost tomorrow.

>> No.7430727

>>7430699
I have nothing more to say.

>> No.7430740

I could throw out a whole lot of flames, but I'm just going to leave this thread alone now.

Goodnight.

>> No.7431484

>>7430699
This usually only happens with a wireless connections or long lags. The player killing the other first in his game gets the victory quote and the other is directly sent to character select. I had this happen to me about five times out of 1000 and half of them with the same player.
The only reason to escape a match is because you don't like the stage or got the wrong character. But this happens before the match initially starts. Or of course a ragequit, but here you will be sent to the network screen anyway.
So if the other player does f.5A from the other side of the battlefield and eats about everything you throw out, don't just think he's mocking you.

>> No.7431771

Are all new players this hostile?

>> No.7433666

Anyone up in a couple hours?

>> No.7434074

>>7433666
Thought so.

>> No.7434963

71.231.59.139:7777 WC

>> No.7436325

I wonder if I should bother re-installing this. I never seem to learn anything in this game.

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