Your say on the westernized Miku

[Anonymous No.]

You know what, despite being Asian myself, I like the American version better, since she is closer to what we see in videos such as last night good night than her "cuter" version.

[Anonymous No.]

she looks more fapable that way

["iluvOP !ge9bznqAsg No.]

She looks like a dude.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't give a shit.

[Anonymous No.]

inb4 SEGA's "improvements" to the L.A. concert is a westernized Miku

You heard it here first.

[Anonymous No.]

we've already had this, she is a masculine slut that is disgusting.

now the image and the voice match~

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352457

Miku would be more popular that way. But tbh, the American Miku sounds more like Reiko in my mind

[Anonymous No.]

Looks more like a ladyboy then anything else to be honest..
I dont like this sort of Miku.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352464
>ladyboy

Ah, thanks. I was looking for the perfect word to describe it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352464

I on the other hand love more boyish women

[Anonymous No.]

That fucking nose and those fucking eyes.
They could at least make the irises a bit larger and she would look decent.

[Anonymous No.]

It's not that bad, but not cute enough considering it's Miku.

[Anonymous No.]

Miku minus cute equals shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Looks like the Japanese are already taking to her style quite well.

[Anonymous No.]

At least it looks less anatomically broken than the original.

I like the style, winged-version PVC by GSV where.

[Anonymous No.]

Miku doesn't necessarily need to look cute. But she needs to look female.

I'm not sure why they darkened her skin color, either. It makes the bright green of her hair color clash, there's no more intermediate color(before it was bright green hair>light skin>grey shirt>black skirt and accessory clothing). Do they think Miku's primary appeal is going to be to the minority races or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352501
I asked this in another thread and I don't believe I got a response.

I'm anatomically illiterate. Could I get an exact explanation of what is so wrong with the original?

Not something that can be explained by different proportions or body type, something that's actually anatomically bad(impossible) such as a backwards-bending bone.

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry OP i'm not into cross dressing wrestlers. Think ill stick with normal Miku.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352508
I believe it's the angle of her left hand and neck, together with the fact that both her feet are pointing straight forwards. Try it yourself, it might not be impossible but it's pretty damn uncomfortable. Especially in the original you can see how her torso is twisted abnormally as well.

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>>7352519
Looks fine to me. Also Kei has gotten substantially better at drawing since this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352504
>bright green hair

It's blue !

[Hong Meiling 門門 !!4kI2ajBUI8D No.]

Heaven and Hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352546
Ah nice to see the original female ver of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352542
In the West, we distinguish between green and blue.

Regardless, stating things accurately it's teal, but the actual name of the color wasn't the point. Its gaudiness was, and now there is brown(? grey? brown-grey?) under it where there was once white.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352546
Oh God, a breath of fresh air.

This is fucking horseshit, did they really think adding a huge nose was a good idea to show the "westernization"? Here, you can have a sexy, western character without jewnoses.

[Anonymous No.]

She still looks retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352504
looking cute is a key part of miku's character. they made other vocaloids for looking things other than cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352536
I think it looks weird and painful. I also think Tony's style is incredibly plain and boring. I didn't get the PVC version, and this comes from someone who owns nearly all of Miku's PVC versions, excluding the cheap SEGA ones.

But each to their own I guess, though personally I would have preferred a different image to get that much publicity, not to mention a PVC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352519
Looking at >>7352546, I can do both of the things you mentioned. It's true that I do have to strain a little bit, but I haven't exercised in two years and I think part of the point is that it's supposed to be an out-there pose to show off her flexibility/youth, as that's related to the upbeat and free nature of the character.

What I do see looking at it again, however, is that her left leg(our perspective) is bending to the side a little oddly below the knees.

But that's not shown in the OP picture.

Sometimes I wonder if the people who criticize that picture really know what they're talking about or if they've simply never met a flexible person. I do agree the legs may be bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352562

they can't even draw themselves... what did you expect?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352580
I said the OP pictures looked a lot better to me, so yeah. It doesn't have the same weird angle either.

I think it (the original) looks unnatural, but I can't really argue with your reasoning either. And it's not like I'm extremely upset about it anyway so yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352567
Yes, I totally agree with you.

However, Miku's character in America is not going to be equivalent to Miku's character in Japan. So, I'm speaking in light of the fact that there will have to be compromise. They are not going to market her through cuteness, in America, it simply won't happen. If it does I'll eat my father's hat or something.

So then the question becomes whether to simply not acknowledge the existence of this and live with Japanese Miku, or to think about what we can preserve given that they will almost undoubtedly go for "crazy, sexy, cool" look.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352600
>Miku
>"crazy, sexy, cool" look.
I'm really okay with this. I'm curious of how Miku will be marketed outside Japan in the future.

[Hong Meiling 門門 !!4kI2ajBUI8D No.]

>>7352600
>will almost undoubtedly go for "crazy, sexy, cool"
I can already hear normal people discussing Miku.
"Ya seen dat hot bitch in the new Toyota ad bro?"
"I'd hit dat shit so hard dude".

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>>7352594
Well, I'm glad to see you're reasonable. I'll admit the OP pic does look more like a pose a normal person might take(it's very easy by comparison), but aside from the bending of the leg I don't see anything I'd call "wrong" with the Tony Taka picture like I've heard in other places. Leg aside, the Tony picture appeals to me as well(if it weren't for the face and skin coloring I'd like the OP picture) because the pose makes her look more flexible and has more impact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352600
if they wanted a sexy and cool character why didn't they just use luka? shit don't make sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352608
Don't worry, as long as she isn't blonde, this won't happen.

Oh, God, I hope the marketing faggots of Toyota don't read my post

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352607
I don't mind it concept itself either, although it makes her seem like a split personality. But I prefer the Japanese Miku as I am a moe/happy pig who goes to Miku for his smiles, and I don't like the idea that eventually one Miku will probably push the other into obscurity(assuming she doesn't die out altogether as a "fad"). If China would pick up cute Miku, I guess there's not much to worry about, but I have no idea what their modern culture is like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352608
As if /jp/ doesn't enjoy Miku rude pictures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352631
Isn't Miku already a split personally in Japan? She has so many different incarnations it's hard to say what truly defines her personality "generally" aside from a few very basic personality traits such as "positive" and "outgoing" but even those traits are sometimes broken down and ignored.

If many different artists work with the Miku that will be marketed outside Japan in a similar fashion to how she is used inside Japan I don't think there will be much of a problem. The thing with Miku is that she can be whoever she needs to be, and that's one of the reason she sells.

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>>7352628
It's probably because they know their biggest weapon is to use the music already made by Japan to have real success. Also, the other characters haven't gained usable popularity or worldwide coverage at all, whereas Miku has been mentioned in various places(magazines, the French show, etc.).

To be honest I thought the same thing as you. Both Haku and Luka would be a better choices than Miku, actually(in terms of concept art).

[Aya Shameful !I4IrJba9Qw No.]

>>7352452
>American version better,
>American
>better
nope

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352647
Plus, Luka can actually sing in english.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352647
>the French show
hell, it may have simply been bad timing on the speaker's part, but they ended up effectively calling luka miku. most people who know about vocaloid probably have no idea who the other characters are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352652
Id rather them make man faced art of luka then miku. So i agree with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352647
>the French show
It didn't do anything for Miku's popularity. They didn't even mention that she was primarily a voice synthesis program, and they mocked her singing 'skills' using five seconds of Popipo as a reference.

And they called Miku Luka like >>7352658 said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352675
I believe there is a principle in marketing which states that having many people know the name of your product, for whatever reason, is better than not having those people know it(or no one at all).

Plus, I guarantee you it got Miku's name and image out to a lot of people who didn't give a shit about the French show or what it said in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352675
I believe there is a principle in marketing which states that having many people know the name of your product, for whatever reason, is better than not having those people know it(or no one at all).

Plus, because of the reaction to the show and such I guarantee you it got Miku's name and image out to a lot of people who didn't give a shit about the French show or what it said in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352709
i'm happy that japanese people attack north america, i don't want this to spread here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352709
seeing things like this gives me hope that there is a chance they'll go with original miku even though it seems so hopeless in the face of western culture.

then again i think that model is their best attempt at being neutral.

[Anonymous No.]

Im seriously hoping Miku passes by USA with only her show, the majority of people that attend be a public that alredy knew of Vocaloid before, and that she doesn't call too much attention to the outside public. All I can really hope is that the outside public does not become fond of Vocaloid because of her america show. All kinds of horrible things could happen if she became popular with general public.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352709
At least his one seems ok.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352719
*this

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352714
Toyota commercial, large audience, western Miku.
Anime expo, weaboo shit, original Miku.

That's how I see it.

[Anonymous No.]

Best Miku ever.

[Anonymous No.]

Does it seem reasonable to guess that English Miku is not even in beta phases yet by the fact that they used a Japanese song(and only for a few seconds of speech) that no one they're advertising to will know about or understand?

On an unrelated note I wonder what America's version of Mikumiku ni Shite Ageru will be. The song loses its joke in English and simply doesn't fit in cultural context, a translated version probably wouldn't be usable to the same effect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352717
pfft, you kidding? AX itself already makes it on the news here and now they have something to talk about.

I can already see it "Crowds gather at Nokia Theater for America's first virtual idol". Pan shot of neckbeards and landwhales then cut to some retard making a fool out of himself. Ends with newscaster making some stupid joke.

Not to mention Toyota will push this like crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352717
>I only use Vocaloids from Japan, unlike most people. Right now, I'm into "Hatsune Miku" and "Kagamine Rin". You probably haven't heard of them; they're pretty obscure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352759
Oh? You're not going to try to argue that America's general public is something to be admired, are you?

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>7352769
I fail to see how it would significantly affect anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352769
I'm saying you should like or dislike things based on their actual merits and not because of their association with a certain crowd, which is exactly what most of the autistics and doomsayers in this thread are doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352776
Yeah, I don't either. Well, I am socially aware enough to realize that it will have effects that some people may care about(probably not you), but let's not talk about that. For the third time this week.

Miku is often depicted in Japan as a charming, hard-working girl who wants the user to teach her songs. I wonder what if this will carry over into America or if they'll do something different with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352778
It's funny because a lot of them want to be viewed the same way they're viewed in Japan which is completely ironic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7352778
But nobody has been doing that in this thread, thankfully, aside from one person. Let's keep it that way and ignore the subject. It would have been better if you had never posted your response, that just encourages the topic to rise up yet again(it's dominated the past 3 or so threads). I'm assuming it doesn't really bother you that much what he does and doesn't care about.

[Anonymous No.]

thread just went to shit

it was fun while it lasted

[Anonymous No.]

I agree.

[Anonymous No.]

While I love Miku I think that Lola would be better suited for a an american/english vocaloid domination she has clear english vocals with the maturity that (most of) america loves.The only thing she is missing is a character.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWLXoxF02Qg

[Anonymous No.]

Miku toys at McDonald's

[Anonymous No.]

Even if Miku becomes huge in America I'm still going to like her and Vocaloid in general. There'll just be more annoying 'fans' to put up with is all. It's a pain in the ass, but life goes on.

[Anonymous No.]

I have no problem with Toyota Miku, except the nose looks pretty damn weird. Maybe it's the shadows or something, but it doesn't sit right with me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353658
So like Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353673
Like Touhou if its fans also spoke loudly and obnoxiously about it in public, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353673
Yeah, except there aren't many annoying Miku fans on /jp/ yet.

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>>7352452
I like her cuter version. It all comes down to aesthetics.

>>7352462
This boggles my mind, why don't westerners like cute things? Its like liking something cute after a certain age makes you retarded. So everything must be DARK, REALISTIC. And by realistic it means make shit more aggressive and add brown to everything.

With Miku the people going aren't going for realism. They're going because they already know the cute Miku and that's what they expect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353673
>>7353658
Would a vocaloid secondary be someone who likes the character but not the music?

[Anonymous No.]

I hope someone bombs the LA concert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353692
>This boggles my mind, why don't westerners like cute things? Its like liking something cute after a certain age makes you retarded. So everything must be DARK, REALISTIC. And by realistic it means make shit more aggressive and add brown to everything.
Westerners do like cute things. It's just not socially accepted.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353692
>This boggles my mind, why don't westerners like cute things?

It probably has a lot to do with cute things being being for children. That's how I see it, anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353693
A vocaloid secondary would be someone who likes the music but doesn't compose with the program.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353693
I never liked the shitty j-pop to begin with. I only fap to miku and then throw her away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353693
I think it'd be like someone who likes the character and doesn't even listen to the music.

"So who's your favourite Vocaloid?"
"Miku."
"Cool, what's your favourite song by Miku then?"
"lol dunno, she did that one in the car commercial right?"

[Anonymous No.]

If you say you only vocaloid for the characters you are basically an idolfag

If you like it just for the music and say the characters mean nothing then you know nothing of the true meaning of vocaloid/you are trying too hard too fit in at VocaloidOtaku

If you care about both equally then you are a true fan

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353708
Isn't that kind of like saying that a secondary fan of INSERT SINGER HERE would be someone who likes the singer but doesn't write their music? Some of us can't compose worth shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353712

The equivalent of people who say "Anything with a good beat!" when asked about their favorite kinds of music.

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>>7353715
Sounds like a good definition to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353718
That's a stupid comparison. To be a person that pigeonholes himself into a certain genre and/or identifies himself by said music genre is to be the scum of the earth.

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>>7353715
If you say you only Frosted Flakes for Tony the Tiger you are basically a furry

If you like it just for the cereal and say Tony means nothing then you know nothing of the true meaning of Frosted Flakes/you are trying too hard too fit in at CerealExpert

If you care about both equally then you are GRRRRREAT!

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>>7353721
Not really. A singer's primary function is being listened to, so if you like the singer, that's enough. Vocaloids are about composing first, because that's what the software is for, the song fans only exist because people compose music with it, thus they aren't primary
.

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>>7353721
No, it's more like secondary SHURE or Gibson fans who don't play guitar.
Vocaloids are more like instruments than singers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353715
A true Vocaloidfag would also care about producers, now their names, can list their favorite ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353747
>SHURE or Gibson
>play guitar
I meant to add "sing or"

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353693
>>7353712
I had a friend over and we were sitting in my room playing cards. She noticed my Len figure and told me she liked it. I asked her if she liked Len and she told me she did. I then asked her what her favourite song he sang was and she told me "Oh I haven't heard any of his songs, I just think he's cute".

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>>7353748
I really care about few producers
1) I prefer to just think about the vocaloids

2) I read on a producer poll that many of them only vocaloid use because its popular and not cause they like it.

That being said I love Shu-tp and KZ to death

[Anonymous No.]

Will this US release be of cultural importance to the Japanese?

[Freezing !I8PjSaya5Y No.]

miku in OP's pic looks like a man

[Anonymous No.]

It's not like it's not possible for people to be in a phase where they are getting into Vocaloid by being drawn in by the characters, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Obviously, if they decide they don't like the music there's no use associating with them as a Vocaloid fan, but that's all there is to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353784
Actually I'm also curious about what the Japanese think of this.

>>7353786
We've established this

[Anonymous No.]

Just my 2 cents, but it's not really fair to the fans to alter Miku this way. They were drawn by her Japanese aesthetics. At the same time, normal people would dismiss her as too "anime" which kinda defeats the purpose of what they're going for.

It's a lose-lose situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353784
It's not impossible that if the West as a whole were to get into Miku on some level that they would begin influencing Vocaloid rankings to quite a large extent, which would force the Japanese to conform or lose in the rankings. That would certainly take awhile, but at the very least, once word gets out that NND is pretty much the hive of everything Vocaloid, there is likely to be an influence on the Japanese side of things. So yes, it could be relevant.

>>7352645
With any entity like Miku rules are always going to be broken, but it's that rough definition of her personality/looks/behavior that I was referring to. American pop culture doesn't care about cheerful or outgoing. This is going to sound pretentious, but I consider an entity that exists as a perception of a society(which is what Miku is by and large) to be the most frequently occurring way it is perceived by the members of the society. I say this because that's the way it will be perceived by the any outside observer of the phenomenon.

And if I was to go into how she is displayed in the overall Vocaloid community(MMD and other PVs included) I would say her portrayal is actually fairly consistent, with basically only two or three related variations aside from jokes. But some people might not consider anything but the actual music to be relevant at all(even though the two communities are very closely connected if not one and the same), so I've included this as a side note.

tl;dr Yes, Miku is only defined by a few things, and it's because I think those few things would be different between the Japanese Miku and a Miku reflecting American pop culture(if that's not evident to you from the OP image I don't think we have anything to discuss) that I mentioned there being a personality split between the cultures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353797
I've read a few people saying they liked "Amekomi" Miku. Whether they were trolling or not I can't say. The general reaction to the commercial was to be appalled("this isn't Miku" "imaichi moenai Miku" etc.).

It basically all depends on the extent that America picks up Vocaloid. There's a reason why I argue that it could influence it because of rankings; Japanese Vocaloid fans love their rankings and many of them participate in Vocaloid-related activities just to see if they can get on top.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353854
but the thing is, that lose-lose situation for us is a win-win. Miku doesn't become americanized and less landwhales / underaged b& / whatever you want to call annoying vocaloid fans.

[mugenjohncel !!lsNOT2DQXWT No.]

Now visualize this...

Pair that masculine westernized Miku with Lady Gaga's voice singing PoPiPoPiPoPoPiPo!....

[Anonymous No.]

Looks like a dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7353863
They already made an English niconico site, so the likelihood of rankings being influenced on the actual nicodouga site is slim to none. Unless they start merging the rankings from all the different language sites or something.

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>>7352452
Looks like dude in American comic book. Belongs in /co/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7355820
The artist behind Toyota Miku is Alvin Lee.

http://www.alvinleeart.com/
>>Manfaced women everywhere

Give him a piece of your mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7355974
>Give him a piece of your mind.
No. It's his choice if he wants to draw in this style.

[Anonymous No.]

Bawing weeaboos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7355974
I like quite a few of those
I don't like his Miku but then again, I don't like Miku much anyway