Let's have a Touhou game thread. Discuss problem spots, victories, all sorts of things. I'm currently working on the Fairy Wars Extra, it seems easier than the other Extras for me so far.

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Anonymous Wed May 4 17:20:56 2011 No.7306512 [Reply] [Original]

Let's have a Touhou game thread. Discuss problem spots, victories, all sorts of things. I'm currently working on the Fairy Wars Extra, it seems easier than the other Extras for me so far.

Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Wed May 4 17:24:56 2011 No.7306528

Yukari's first spellcard: is it the same as Ran's in that you only have to move one for every two waves of bullets? The small ones always mess me up and I end up moving more than necessary. I saw in a replay that you can avoid them by moving vertically, is that necessary, or is it possible to do it just moving horizontally?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:24:56 2011 No.7306529 What do you guys think are the best trance spots in Ten Desires? I have no face for when I tried to double-score the bomb parts at the end of stage 2 and it ended prematurely because Kyouko appeared.

>>	PRINNY !nLFbzB/0pw Wed May 4 17:25:56 2011 No.7306533 I finally managed to get "Heaven Spider's Butterfly-Capturing Web" after a few attempts. Kept making idiotic mistakes when dodging and trapping myself.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:26:56 2011 No.7306534 >>7306512 FW has the most fun extra, right before SA

endif !xAURdZQe0A Wed May 4 17:26:56 2011 No.7306536
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Currently trying EoSD's extra. Having a bit of trouble with love maze spell. I always stay down at the bottom but next time I'll try to move a bit more to the center and dodge through the small gaps.
Not sure if it's the best method though...

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:26:56 2011 No.7306538 File: 728 KB, 640x480, TGM289.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Going through a phase where I have no desire to play anything.

wtH !HELLB/V.96 Wed May 4 17:27:17 2011 No.7306539 [DELETED]

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so i was playing touhou sky arena the other day, why the HELL doesn't it have at least 16 characters like the other game that company made?
im not sure if there are any to unlock tho

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:27:56 2011 No.7306541 File: 9 KB, 492x402, 14515151.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > [Sun Sign] "Royal Flare" > Taboo "Maze of Love"

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:27:56 2011 No.7306543 Really proud of myself for finally 1ccing mof on normal (reimuA). I'm not a very good touhou. next goal : SA on normal. is it harder or easier?

Anonymous Wed May 4 17:28:56 2011 No.7306548

>>7306534

I haven't unlocked SA extra so I don't know yet. So far I've only unlocked PCB, IN, MoF and FW Extras so far, so far I've been extremely impressed with the FW Extra rather than frustrated, I feel as if I'm actually improving. Perhaps it's because of the freeze mechanic though.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:28:56 2011 No.7306550 >>7306512 Once you figure out the hard parts it's easy to clear, yeah, you get like 12 lives total. That's a great fight though after the first spellcard it never lets up until the timeout. Most ex noncards are a total joke and break the tension.

>>	PRINNY !nLFbzB/0pw Wed May 4 17:28:56 2011 No.7306551 >>7306529 I have not played TD yet since I want to have a completely new experience when it comes out. And I want to capture every Spellcard in the previous games before I give it ago.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 17:29:56 2011 No.7306553 >>7306541 It's greatly entertaining to just chill out on the bottom of the screen slipping through cracks in the bullets though.

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Wed May 4 17:29:56 2011 No.7306554 >>7306529 I do: - Yuyuko's first spellcard, since she just stays still and you can bossgraze the other ones without trance - kyoko's first attack or second spellcard. and then whenever I can with miyako.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:30:56 2011 No.7306556 >>7306543 Depends if you know all the tricks or not. If you do SA isn't that bad, and the final card will be much easier.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:30:56 2011 No.7306558 >>7306543 Yes, it's harder, much harder. I'd recommend PCB or IN on Normal, I managed to 1cc both of them within a month after struggling with MoF Normal for months.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:30:56 2011 No.7306559 >>7306543 choose ReimuC, bomb all the time and shotgun the enemy, EZmode

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 17:31:56 2011 No.7306566 >>7306556 If he's asking, then he doesn't know the tricks, which means much much harder.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:34:56 2011 No.7306577 >>New to Touhou >>Download 1-12.3 from theninjabay >>Play UFO easy until I can 1cc in my sleep >>Play normal >>Get Raped Only hard is fun for me. I can sometimes get to Syou but I usually die before that.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:34:56 2011 No.7306580 >>7306559 ReimuC is the agility Aya type isn't it? what's special about it?

Anonymous Wed May 4 17:34:56 2011 No.7306584

>>7306528
>move one for every two waves of bullets

For Ran anyway I guess that works, but it feels a bit like playing blindly. Same for both spells: move before the aimed bit is on you. Moving vertically isn't necessary (and it's really more like moving diagonally), but it certainly takes you across the screen more slowly so you can time the spell out without having to switch directions. Move right before the small ones hit you and the rest of it will have passed your position. That's all.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 17:35:02 2011 No.7306590 >>7306580 I believe that's B, and C is the spreadfocused shot. Hence shotgun.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:36:56 2011 No.7306591 >>7306554 Thanks. Do you think it's worth tranceing to double bomb and life parts? Just in case stages 4, 5, and 6 are balls difficult.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:36:56 2011 No.7306594 How do I beat IN on hard? Why the fuck are the games such impossible bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:36:56 2011 No.7306595 File: 36 KB, 180x200, 1297717191226.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] are there any touhou games for mac?

Anonymous Wed May 4 17:37:56 2011 No.7306597

>>7306580

No idea, but I honestly wouldn't recommend it. It's an annoying shot type to use, imagine Youmu's IN shot except it shoots above and below you and does less damage. I'd recommend Reimu A since she is by far the best shot type with the only downside being that she has the hardest Satori fight.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:37:56 2011 No.7306600 >>7306594 Set starting livs to 7, enjoy your 1cc

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 17:38:56 2011 No.7306601 >>7306594 >Why the fuck are the games such impossible bullshit? >impossible >Imperishable Night >Impossible Requests Ohoho, clever.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:38:56 2011 No.7306602 >I finished PCB with every character in easy mode, after some 3 months. >See people posting about clearing Extra >What black magic is this?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:38:56 2011 No.7306608 >>7306594 So that people who are good at it have something to show for. It's meant to be 'hard', isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:39:56 2011 No.7306610 >>7306580 I heard you can skip Stage 6 Orin by using Aya/Reimu's bomb with the right timing and positioning.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:40:56 2011 No.7306613 >>7306600 I'm trying to no-death it.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 17:40:56 2011 No.7306614 >>7306610 It's not like Stage 6 Orin is particularly difficult though.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:40:56 2011 No.7306615 >>7306610 You really don't need to bomb Orin's stage 6 card. I managed to capture that thing the first time I went against it and I'm not even that good at the game.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:43:56 2011 No.7306626 >>7306556 >>7306558 >>7306559 Thanks. on an unrelated note, did anyone's keyboard ever "lock up" when trying to bomb? It keeps happening to me whenever I have more than 2 keys pressed as once (shot + focus + movement) and it's really annoying.

Anonymous Wed May 4 17:43:56 2011 No.7306628

>>7306536
It is the best method. Once you learn how to get through the gaps, it's a cakewalk forever. Otherwise, just plan a bomb in advance.

>>7306580
Her bomb is fucknuts strong, and plus you get to shotgun during.

>>7306597
I actually would recommend her. Aside from ReimuA, who is stupidly overpowered, ReimuC is actually pretty damn good if you take her bombs into account. MarisaA is pretty great too.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 17:45:56 2011 No.7306635 >>7306626 Your keyboard is ghosting. Get a better keyboard, or rebind keys.

Anonymous Wed May 4 17:46:56 2011 No.7306640

>>7306626

Not for me, it's probably a problem with your keyboard. I used to have one that did the same thing.

>>7306628

I only used Reimu C once or twice and really hated how her shot controlled. Reimu A doesn't really have that problem, plus comes with the bonus of being amazingly good. Marisa A is nice as well admittedly, but a shot type that you really need to get used to unfocused movement with to use to its full potential. It comes with a lot of bombs though, which is nice.

Anonymous Wed May 4 17:47:56 2011 No.7306644

>>7306591
They're spread out too much for it to really matter. I think the most pink spirits that appear at once is.. 3? Doesn't seem worth trying for.

Anyway the system is busted because the best trance spots are during bosses. However he could conceivably fix that, so it's worth thinking about. The best trance spot with stage enemies I found is after Kogasa. You have to bomb through her as fast as humanly possible because the stage is on a fixed timetable. Then there's a huge fairy rush from opposite sides.

Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Wed May 4 17:49:56 2011 No.7306649

>>7306591
I guess it depends, I do it just for score, but trancing/bossgrazing also gives you more spirit point things for your next trance, so that might come in handy later in the stage when there are lots of point items/etc.
I still don't quite get how ZUN's gonna make use of this system in the later stages. it just seems to be an easy way to bypass spellcards and a cheap way to raise your points..

>>7306584
I see. just went back and tried again, was fine for the first little bit but as the bullets speed up I run out of room. I guess I just need to practice the timing.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:50:56 2011 No.7306661 >>7306615 I'm talking about skipping it altogether. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K42bqaRQ3hE

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:50:56 2011 No.7306662 Oh if only MarisaA's focused and un-focused shots were reversed she'd be perfect... What's wrong with ReimuB (Suika)? I like how her shots home a bit, and her auto collect ability is very useful. (SA noob here again)

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:51:56 2011 No.7306669 >>7306640 Admittedly her shot power isn't as fuckhax as ReimuA due to firing in two opposite directions, but it doesn't take long to figure out how to control the shot. That's more of your fault.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:52:56 2011 No.7306673 >>7306662 Shitty damage in comparison to A, doesn't even home right.

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Wed May 4 17:53:56 2011 No.7306675 >>7306661 >not grazing >not collecting the point items at full value people actually play SA like this?

Anonymous Wed May 4 17:54:56 2011 No.7306682
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the one thing which bugs me about MarisaA in SA is how short her bomb invulnerability is. I die an incredible amount of derpdeaths solely because I flail about, bump into bullets and forget that I'm vulnerable after two seconds

MarisaB is too hard
MarisaC is just ZUN trolling the player

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:54:56 2011 No.7306683 >>7306662 There's nothing wrong with her taken alone. She handles the game fine (except for 2 spots where you need to be careful where your wisps go). But she gives you no advantage over ReimuA who already has more damage and a better bomb.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:54:56 2011 No.7306684 am I the only person who likes and uses the patchy shot? granted, it's shit, but still. the blue and the red are ok.

Anonymous Wed May 4 17:55:56 2011 No.7306687

>>7306661

Seems kind of pointless to me. You get one of those life stars if you beat her right? That could be very helpful.

>>7306662

As a person that used to play Reimu B, the problem is that she doesn't do enough damage and doesn't even do the job it's supposed to do, which is homing. The homing is pathetic, especially compared to other homing shots. The only advantage it has is that the shots pierce, but that's about it.

>>7306669

I just have problems with shots like that, they're just really annoying to learn to use. One of the reasons I didn't use Youmu in IN, went with SDM team instead.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:55:56 2011 No.7306688 >>7306675 If there was a competition for scoring the least, yes. But there's already pacifist runs for those.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:57:56 2011 No.7306692 >>7306662 the auto collect is just a detriment to scorerunners, because no max value she has the most interesting bomb though. still the worst Reimu option in SA

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:00:56 2011 No.7306700 >>7306682 When I was using MarisaA I found that her real power only came out when I planned to bomb certain things in advance. But that felt bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:00:56 2011 No.7306701 Is ReimuA's warping ability useful in any situation?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:02:56 2011 No.7306706 >>7306644 >>7306649 Yeah. I don't get why ZUN made the life part cost increase with each life, just how many life parts are going to be available? Having each 1-up cost the same worked just fine for SA.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:02:56 2011 No.7306707 >>7306701 It has its uses, especially on stage 6, but I wouldn't use it on bosses.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:02:56 2011 No.7306708 >>7306701 You can activate lazymode when streaming, mainly during stage 6

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:02:56 2011 No.7306709 >>7306701 Seen it used well only on the boring streamy part of stage 6.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:03:56 2011 No.7306713 >>7306701 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ouPQGshVm8

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Wed May 4 18:04:56 2011 No.7306716 >>7306701 I use it at the beginning of the extra stage as well.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 18:06:56 2011 No.7306720 >>7306713 >My current scheme runs on a lot of assumptions, like RNG going my way. B...but there's no RNG on Philosophy, is there? Or is he talking about the entire Extra stage?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:08:56 2011 No.7306726 Another SA question, what does collecting the big green stars do? it doesn't seem to change the point item modifier.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:08:56 2011 No.7306727 Between MoF, IN and PCB, which one has the most fun and least frustrating Extra? I can't really get into the extras of these games, I try to learn but get tired of dying to the same things, I don't feel as if I'm getting anywhere.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:09:56 2011 No.7306729 >>7306541 >Royal Flare It's for babies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E94EYSaYoE

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 18:09:56 2011 No.7306731 >>7306726 Adds to the base value, exactly like in MoF.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:11:56 2011 No.7306733 >>7306729 Having other people teach you how to make spellcards trivial takes all the fun out of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:11:56 2011 No.7306734 >>7306727 Depends on which game you're most comfortable with I'd say. Those three extras are all easy to clear once you've started to figure stuff out.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:12:56 2011 No.7306737 >>7306726 Uh it increases base point value. It resets if you die. So stop dying.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 18:12:56 2011 No.7306738 >>7306733 What about if you figured out how to make that spellcard trivial yourself? It's not like that's surprising or anything. The shot type that's really good against bosses... is really good against bosses.

Anonymous Wed May 4 18:13:56 2011 No.7306742

>>7306734

I can't say I'm exactly most comfortable with any of them. I've been most comfortable with Fairy Wars, it might have taught me bad habits since I always found out ways to use the freezing ability in a way that would keep my alive the longest while dodging as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:14:56 2011 No.7306744 >>7306738 Well, more power to you. I didn't watch the video. I would rather have Royal Flare kick my ass until I figure it out.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 18:16:56 2011 No.7306753 >>7306744 Oh, I see. I'll just say then that it's not a clever trick or anything. He just kinda does it.

Anonymous Wed May 4 18:16:56 2011 No.7306754
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Where I'm at: Flandre and Suwako beaten easily. As much as I love Suwako, Flandre was the more fun fight. Cockblocked and burnt out on Mokou. Damn Fujiyama Volcano. No interest in PCB clearing; would be interested in UFO if it weren't for... well... the damn UFOs.

Where I wanna be:
I really want to face Koishi. I have 2 problems. The first is that without a gamepad, I'm stuck using my laptop keyboard. For the longest time, I thought there was a major problem with my keyboard where I could not move correctly while holding Z. If I tried to go diagonally or very quickly switch between up+down to left+right while shooting, I would just continue in one straight direction. Big problem. The second is that I can't pass SA normal. I know the spellcards, but I always manage to butterfinger my way into something enough times to not clear it in 1cc. I don't bomb enough either.
Hoping that TD has a fun/cute extra with good music, since I seem to be doing well on the demo. Speaking of which, the TD demo is the only Touhou game I have (including PC-98s on emulators) that doesn't exhibit the problem with movement I spoke of above.

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Wed May 4 18:17:56 2011 No.7306756 >>7306729 my whole life up to this point has been a lie.

Anonymous Wed May 4 18:17:56 2011 No.7306757
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Having 1cc'd SA Hard, I'm giving it a shot on Lunatic...

...and I've never made it past Yuugi.

For some perverse, masochistic reason this is exactly how I want it. I want my shmups to be able to make me lose all hope rather than to be able to rape them myself, and this is exactly what SA does.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:20:56 2011 No.7306767 >>7306729 Mother fucker. I have never capped that and it's only because I kept moving around, half remembering some method I saw once and not looking at the pattern objectively.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 18:22:56 2011 No.7306776

>>7306754
>Cockblocked and burnt out on Mokou.
>cock... burnt
>phoenix
Oh. Ohoho.

Also yeah, that is a major problem with your keyboard. Again, it's ghosting... though it's weird that it doesn't happen in TD or with emulators. It should be universal.

>>7306767
It only works with that shot type. With either of Reimu's and maybe with lazers you don't damage her enough to escape having to dodge the really difficult wave that comes right after it.

>>7306757
Go play Mars Matrix.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:23:56 2011 No.7306781 >>7306757 Shoot the Bullet is also good for masochists.

Anonymous Wed May 4 18:25:56 2011 No.7306788

>>7306727
IN's extra is just no fun for me. MoF is split between good honest danmaku and some really annoying trick cards. PCB.. well it's probably the easiest one to clear, between all the borders and 1ups and low density patterns, and I liked Ran & Yukari's style/music the best out of those choices.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:31:56 2011 No.7306813 >>7306776 Oh, I was using the lazers. I think I could get now with a little guts. I'll have to try later when I have time.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:35:56 2011 No.7306826 File: 13 KB, 373x286, hrtp1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why is nobody talking about the only good touhou game?

Anonymous Wed May 4 18:35:56 2011 No.7306827

I finally beat EoSD 1cc lunatic after dozens of attempts, beat PCB 1cc hard on my first attempt afterwards, yet SA normal is still a huge cock block for me. Anyone else experience this?

It's so disappointing, I really want to face SA extra, all the other ones were really enjoyable.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:58:56 2011 No.7306890 >>7306827 Yep. I did EoSD Hard (still trying to beat Lunatic Remi) and PCB & IN Lunatic in less attemps than SA Normal. It will be trivial to 1cc once you learn to bomb all the difficult parts, however...

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 19:04:56 2011 No.7306907 >>7306788 I see. I can't get very far in the PCB one so I don't really play it much. I lose to Chen on the Extra actually so that's why I don't play it much, while I can beat Kanako and make it to Suwako, but then she destroys me.

Anonymous Wed May 4 19:05:56 2011 No.7306909

Been bored and decided to find some way to enjoy the Ten Desires demo. Since the scoring system really doesn't appeal to me so far, I tried doing some pacifist runs. Turns out it's really easy and fun to do a no death/no bomb run of Hard, but Lunatic has a couple timeout phases and stage portions that make it pretty much impossible.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 21:52:56 2011 No.7307493 Is it just me or does Sanae A have problems with the Nazrin and Kogasa in UFO? It always takes me much longer to beat them with her than with anyone else.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 22:03:56 2011 No.7307539 I just want to announce that I just 1cc'd PCB (normal) for the first time in my life yesterday. That makes it the third game I've 1cc'd (the two others are EoSD and PoFV). That's all. You can ignore me now.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 22:18:56 2011 No.7307610 >>7306644 >Anyway the system is busted because the best trance spots are during bosses. This. I can't stand a scoring system that encourages me to cancel Spell Cards and loss the capture bonus.

Anonymous Wed May 4 22:20:56 2011 No.7307623

>>7307610

If it does get fixed, I'm sure it'll be fine. Although there are doubts it'll happen, so who knows? I'll probably enjoy it anyways since it has some of my favorite shot types ever, although it'll be a pity if the scoring system isn't tweaked somehow.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 22:25:56 2011 No.7307652 File: 102 KB, 560x600, 2hu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] which touhou game is this.

>>	Vector !NEy29ODpvs Wed May 4 22:28:56 2011 No.7307667 >>7307610 Hasn't it been that way since SA?

>>	yahyah !1WM3SjsxlE Wed May 4 22:30:56 2011 No.7307674 Has anyone played Ten Desires?

Anonymous Wed May 4 22:31:56 2011 No.7307681

>>7306528
I have always moved just horizontally. It's not quite like Ran's first, the main difference being that you have to open your eyes for it (no, seriously, I usually do Ran's first with my eyes closed and listen just for the audio cue). On a more serious note, I usually just stream it like what you would do for the yellow trailing dolls card in stage 4 of SA with Malice, going slowly until I reach the end then jumping quickly back. Not sure if you can just single tap ala Ran's first, but it's worth a try I suppose.

Also, can anyone spare me some tips for Koishi and Nue? Those are the only Extra's I can't clear, and with everyone saying Nue's the easiest I feel kind of hurt. I can get to Koishi's last but I keep getting chipped because I go too far ahead (also, genesis). I can get to Nue's survival (9th) card, but the flashing ufo thing just blinds me.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 22:40:56 2011 No.7307709 >>7307652 Embodiment of xop

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 22:42:56 2011 No.7307721 >>7307667 I'm only aware of one spellcard in UFO that people fail for graze. I don't think there's any of that in Fairy Wars.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 22:44:56 2011 No.7307729 >playing touhou for score wait a sec >playing touhou there

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 22:47:56 2011 No.7307746 >posting on 4chan

Anonymous Wed May 4 22:48:56 2011 No.7307748

>>7307721
>I'm only aware of one spellcard in UFO that people fail for graze.
Ichirin's last spell and Kogasa's last midboss spell in Extra come to mind.

>I don't think there's any of that in Fairy Wars.
There are several cards that are worth bombing for score in this game.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 22:52:56 2011 No.7307756 >>7307748 Oh yeah, forgot about those perfect freezes. That one always felt right to me, unlike SA's graze farming.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Wed May 4 23:07:56 2011 No.7307795

>>7307652
I wish that game didn't intentionally look like ass. It seemed promising, but when everything's INCREDIBLY grainy it just becomes painful to look at.

>>7307681
If you can get to Nue's survival card then you can probably clear her with only a couple more tries. The card's really easy to get the hang of, and really easy once you get the hang of it, and Grudge Bow isn't all that bad either. Lotsa screenclears.

As for Koishi, just keep trying. A lot.

No seriously, A LOT. I think I had 133 or so clears of Sanae's first spellcard before I fullcleared it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 23:21:56 2011 No.7307841 Bleh, PCB Extra. I dunno, not having fun. Still frustrating. Not getting very far as usual.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 23:24:56 2011 No.7307851 >>7307841 Maybe you should just come back later. I beat a few extras by brute force, but I had a lot more fun when I came back to them when I was better and wasn't getting caught up on every little thing and could focus on playing well.

Anonymous Wed May 4 23:27:56 2011 No.7307861

>>7307851

I don't know how I can focus on getting better. A lot of people say StB/DS but I'm horrible at those and I'm stuck on those as well. I could try to 1cc the games I haven't, but I don't have the desire really. Maybe I'll just keep playing the Fairy Wars Extra, I dunno.

Anonymous Wed May 4 23:33:56 2011 No.7307874

>>7307861
Play on lunatic, play other STGs, just do hopelessly hard stuff that challenges you. Touhou has this skill dead zone where you're good enough to handle the danmaku but still run into shit too often, and you don't really get better by grinding it. Or I don't anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 23:35:56 2011 No.7307878 >>7307874 I never get any better when I do that either. Sure it's nice when I want to be impressed by how easily I got destroyed, but I don't really like playing 3 minute sessions of the same thing much.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 23:41:56 2011 No.7307901 >>7307841 Character? I'll throw up a replay if it helps.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 23:42:56 2011 No.7307903 >>7307795 Why is everybody so bad at SA Extra. I honestly cannot think of an easier Windows Extra boss, except maybe Suwako. Maybe.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 23:43:56 2011 No.7307907 >>7307901 It better be a perfect no death/no bomb/no border break run.

Anonymous Wed May 4 23:44:56 2011 No.7307912

>>7307901

I'm playing as Sakuya A. Sure, I'll probably get some flak for it, but whatever. It's not really a replay that I need, I could probably solve the problem I'm having against Chen with enough time, it just feels as if I have to use my bombs to get anywhere, but I don't want to have to waste them against the midboss.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 23:46:56 2011 No.7307918 >>7307912 You're playing Sakuya. You have bombs to spare. 4 per life.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 23:52:56 2011 No.7307934 File: 7 KB, 161x133, 1244285554030.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh fuck off you guys, don't have a Touhou game thread while I'm asleep.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 23:52:56 2011 No.7307935 >>7307918 It still doesn't feel like enough. Then again, the only other extras I've played are IN which I also got my ass kicked at, MoF which gives you assloads of bombs, and FW which hands out lives and bombs like crazy.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 00:00:56 2011 No.7307959 >>7307935 Ah, well. Don't force it if you're not enjoying it. They'll be there for you when you want them. If you just play you'll get better.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 00:03:56 2011 No.7307967 >>7307959 Perhaps so. I dunno how good Fairy Wars is for getting better at dodging, but I do enjoy it so I guess I'll stick with that with the occasional play of the other games I guess.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 00:03:56 2011 No.7307970 >>7307967 It's kinda like playing Samidare for practicing dodging. i.e. not really useful at all.

Anonymous Thu May 5 00:08:56 2011 No.7307978

>>7307970

I kind of figured. Some of that stuff is really silly to dodge though when you don't have any freeze up, and it won't always be up. Some of the stuff on this extra are just insane. Test Slave and Big Crunch are ridiculous, that's the furthest I've gotten though. I'm sure the ones past that are even worse.

Anonymous Thu May 5 00:35:56 2011 No.7308056
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>>7307912
>problem I'm having against Chen
Noncard: listen when she stops firing, then tap slightly to either side.
Blue Oni Red Oni: start from the top, tap down slowly. Tap slowly up again
Soaring Guardian God: go into the center of the circle after dodging one wave. Go back down if the center seems to be filling with bullets

Anonymous Thu May 5 00:39:56 2011 No.7308071

>>7308056

I get the non-card. I tried that way with her first card and it failed after the second wave. I thought of another way though after dying to that card the fifth time, but I haven't tested it. Second spellcard I haven't really focused on at all, usually don't get there.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 00:41:56 2011 No.7308074

>>7308056
Naw, just do BlueRed Oni the exact same way you do Ran's version.

Start at the bottom on one side, stream to the other side. Then stream back.

It's weird how that strategy looks so obvious on Ran's version but not at all so on Chen's, yet it's perfectly effective both times.

Anonymous Thu May 5 00:42:56 2011 No.7308079

>>7307907
>>7307912
Kind of a shitty run, one death on blue nonspell because I ran into the corner and Sakuya hitbox in general, one deathbomb on "Chen" (how the fuck i got hit i don't even this card is easy), two deaths on Izuna because lol Izuna and I didn't care anymore. No borders broken. Pretty hilarious Charming Siege. Also I hate SakuyaA forever.

If you're having trouble on something in particular that my run does way too fluently or whatever, just ask. PCB Extra is pretty straightforward.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 00:43:56 2011 No.7308082 >>7308079 herpa derp forgot replay http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=13566

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 00:45:56 2011 No.7308086 >>7308082 I guess I'll check it out, but I'm not sure when. I'll probably try working on it myself until I feel like I've had enough.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 00:59:56 2011 No.7308124 >>7307967 Eh you still have to dodge plenty of stuff. It's also good for getting better at dashing around and not running into things.

Anonymous Thu May 5 01:02:56 2011 No.7308131

>>7308086

I decided to give it another go then. I actually managed to make it to Ran's fourth or third spellcard, I'm not sure. Now that I play it a bit more, I feel like I'm cheating by abusing the cherry borders so often. Managed to actually dodge her first spellcard without too much trouble, don't even know how. Feels a bit weird.

>>7308124

I tend to just bomb the parts I get stuck at. Although dodging Fairy Overdrive is a good workout I'd say. I had to time it out once, that spellcard is really tough on certain routes. I don't know why, but I'm eager to use bombs in Fairy Wars but very stingy about using them in the other games.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 01:04:56 2011 No.7308139

>>7308124
You do have to dodge stuff, it is true. But the thing is it's a very different mindset when you have an invulnerability/screenclear at-will thing than when you don't. I can think of so many times in Samidare that I failed to dodge a pattern that I would've easily easily dodged in a game that didn't have the shield, simply because it's so difficult to go from looking for a good time to use your damage-invincibility shield to actual dodging. It's a lot more efficient to play games that don't offer you this mechanic if you're trying to learn how to dodge well.

StB and Double Spoiler might be pretty good to work on.

Anonymous Thu May 5 01:08:56 2011 No.7308151

>>7308139

I like StB and DS, but they both easily discourage me. Stuck on level 5 for StB, level 7 for DS. Would it be recommended to finish all the spellcards of a level before going on or just try to rush through it as fast as possible though? I still gotta beat both of these sometime.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 01:10:56 2011 No.7308158

>>7308151
Eh, what I did was give at least a considerable attempt to each spellcard, but if I couldn't get it down I wouldn't spend too much time on it. Any way works really, you'll have to get most of them to unlock all the stages anyways.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 01:14:56 2011 No.7308165 >>7308158 I guess so. But damn, I just went back and saw that there are some level 3 spellcards I haven't cleared in StB and still can't clear. How did I manage to 1cc anything like this?

Anonymous Thu May 5 01:19:56 2011 No.7308177
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I did a Ran run since everyone was talking about it and I've only cleared her 2 or 3 times. I finally understood how to handle the timeout card but I failed it on the last second ;_; But I captured almost everything else.

I think I could get a run with all cards captured without much pain, except for that damn last spell. Is there timing involved, like with Kinkaku-ji?

Anonymous Thu May 5 01:30:56 2011 No.7308217

>>7308165
Don't worry too much.
StB has some schizophrenic difficulty pacing. I cleared half of scene 10 and Extra before I was able to beat 9-1. I still haven't beat En no Ozunu.

What is generally considered to be the hardest scene in the game is in scene 9.

Anonymous Thu May 5 01:36:56 2011 No.7308227

>>7308217

Some of these seem not so bad, the only problem is having to take 7 pictures of them. I managed to get Mito no Mitsukuni today, it seemed like something most guys would get easy but I've been having troubles with that and some others. I know the tricks for some of them, I just can't follow up. I'm pretty close to level 6 though, fortunately. Not sure if I should try the level 5 ones or just any one I want, I only managed to capture two level 5 cards.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 02:02:56 2011 No.7308325 Isn't Ten Desires release date this sunday?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 02:05:56 2011 No.7308334 >>7308325 Still got about three or four months before that. Only a demo is going to be sold, whether or not it'll be an updated demo or not is unknown, but don't get your hopes up for one.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 02:09:56 2011 No.7308340 File: 159 KB, 1280x1024, Marisa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I hate Marisa. Her goddamn stars are so fucking hard to dodge, and then as if it wasn't enough, Master Spark out of fucking nowhere? why? WHY?

Anonymous Thu May 5 02:13:56 2011 No.7308353

>>7308227
Level 5 is very important because it introduces undodgeable patterns, where the key to beating these kinds of spellcards is strategic use of the camera to open holes and escape instead of shooting as soon as possible. You will see more of this kind of thing in the future, so you may want to get used to them.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 02:18:56 2011 No.7308369 >>7308353 You're talking 5-4, right? Couldn't beat it. Just went for 5-1, 5-2 and 5-3 and got it over with. Those bullets she shoots between the water streams always get me.

Anonymous Thu May 5 02:35:56 2011 No.7308411

>>7308340
It's Marisa. Master Spark is never out of fucking nowhere.

It took me forever to get the hang of that fight. I understand the frustration with that stage, but it is one of my favorite battles in Touhou and for many reasons.
One of those that crosses my mind right now 'fore I go to bed is that what attracted me to Touhou was that it made more sense to me in a magic-user-vs-magic-user-fight context than anything else lately. As a kid, even though I liked most of the magic-themed stuff I encountered, it never made much sense to me that someone blessed with the ability to manipulate magic would fight by standing still saying nonsense for 10 seconds just to summon up Lesser Fireball Level 1. How can a determined-to-kill sorcerer set that up?
"Oh you've done it now. Time to fight to the death! Um, so.. uh... just hold still a moment..."
"...Okay."
"Great, thanks. Spirits of Fire and Air, grant me your powers! The time is neigh; my foe is--"
"Hey, look, is this going to take long? I've got, like, 5 other people I gotta kill..."
With two wizards dueling it made even less sense because they have the time to magically counter it--either with some kind of counterspell or Minor Frostshield Mark I. Fuck that. If I was some all-powerful mage, I wouldn't fight like that. Just one little fireball? Nah tons of magic bullets and arcane missiles all flying rapidly at my target giving them no chance of survival. My kinda thinking makes sense in Touhou. Marisa's just showing ya how it's done.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 03:24:56 2011 No.7308491 >>7308411 The funny thing is, they're deliberately giving each other a sporting chance. Just pushing that to the very limit.

Anonymous Thu May 5 03:33:56 2011 No.7308514

I'm actually amazed at my sudden progress lately.

I've been playing the actual games casually for about 1 1/2 years now, and was able to clear most Normals about 2 months after getting into it. After getting that good, I hit a wall.

In January, I could still sort of beat any Normal, but dammit, in SA, Rin always knew how to kick my ass 6 ways over. After some mere miracle, I was able to finally clear Normal, and after that, rapidly clear Ex in EoSD, PCB, IN, and almost MoF. Now my current goal is getting though something on Hard, and clearing Pha.

It's all most likely nothing special, but I feel it's a milestone for me.

Anonymous Thu May 5 07:08:56 2011 No.7308893

Just a quick question. I have 1cc'd every main series windows game (except PoFV) and cleared every extra stage including Phantasm (except Flandre's but I haven't tried that one for ages now). Would it advisable to playing Lunatic mode now or try and clear it on Hard mode and then move on to lunatic? As far as I know Extra stages are generally harder than Hard mode so I assuming I won't have too much trouble if I play the games on Hard mode.

Also reading this thread was the first time I was aware that there were 'tricks' to clear SA (Managed to clear it with Reimu A + B and Marisa A + C). I had never heard of any of these, what exactly are they?

Anonymous Thu May 5 07:15:56 2011 No.7308902
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>As far as I know Extra stages are generally harder than Hard mode
good luck with UFO hard

also, your queston is kinda... well, why don't you just play lunatic a few times and see how it is? by the way, 6-8 lunatic ain't got shit on 10-13 lunatic

Anonymous Thu May 5 08:09:56 2011 No.7309001

>>7308514
I remember having a sudden progress in Touhou like that too. It took me ages to beat Normal mode in EoSD, but when I got it, I could beat all the games on normal difficulty. After that I tried doing extra, and it was really difficult, but once I cleared it I could do every other extra too within like a week. After that I could do Hard mode no problem. I got stuck at Lunatic for a while though, but when I got used to grinding the stages on practice mode like a madman I could finally beat EoSD on lunatic, and soon after all the other games.

>>7308902
MoF lunatic is stupidly easy. You can bomb through the stages with not even losing power, and then spam your bombs until you're out of power on the bosses, and then just get the power back up on the next stage. I find EoSD harder.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 08:33:56 2011 No.7309051 bump

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 11:16:56 2011 No.7309447 Just a question, do all extras have a survival card?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 11:45:56 2011 No.7309542 >>7309447 I don't remember if Suwako does, but all the other windows extras have at least one.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 12:02:56 2011 No.7309575 How do I SA 5th stage with Aya? I can do it losing only one life or so with Yukari, Aya is easier for everything else, but what is this?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 12:08:56 2011 No.7309595 Is it okay if I beat Ran without being able to capture any of her spellcards? I managed to get halfway through her but I can't capture a single spellcard.

Anonymous Thu May 5 12:21:56 2011 No.7309651

I still can't do Misdirection very well.
Is there any trick to Milky Way? Though I don't think there is one.
Storm on Mt.Otoe is hard for me with any character, too.
How do I capture Mountain God Procession with Youkai Buster?
I will never cap Yuyuko's Flower Seal.
Kanako's long-ass three-waves disappearing card seems impossible to beat without two or so bombs even blasting her with Youkai Buster, not to talk about capping it.
All of these are dodge cards I guess, but FUCKING FLYING PHOENYX HOW DOES IT WORK FUJIYAMA VOLCANO IS HARD BUT AT LEAST IT MAKES SENSE

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 12:32:56 2011 No.7309696 >>7309651 http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=13578 Flying Phoenix is trivial, hope that helps

Anonymous Thu May 5 13:18:56 2011 No.7309784

I just lost my last life on the second to last wave on Yukari's Arcanum Danmaku bounded field. I was so close to finally clearing Phantasm, but this is the third time I failed it during the final 3 waves of Arcanum. I wish there was spell practice in PCB for times like these.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 13:22:56 2011 No.7309788 >>7309784 Yukari's last word in IN is Danmaku Bounded Field, plus some extra stuff at the end. You can practice it there. Alternatively, just get into the spell with resources in stock and you can bomb the hard waves.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 13:35:56 2011 No.7309803 >>7309542 Yes, Suwako has TWO. Red Frog in the Fourth Year of the Houei Era and Native Faith and Central Faith

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 13:39:56 2011 No.7309809 >>7306528 Start at the bottom right corner and stream slowly to the left (you should also graze the bluish bullets.) As Sakuya A, you should finish at about the same time you get to the bottom left corner.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 13:46:56 2011 No.7309821 I don't know what it is but I just don't have any patience to play the IN extra. May try again later.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 13:49:56 2011 No.7309827 >>7309803 I guess I stand corrected then. I hate MoF so I never went back to it after clearing extra and 1ccing hard.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 13:51:56 2011 No.7309829 I'm progressing in my MoF EX run, now I get to Souwa war and would get farther if it wasn't for retarded misses.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 13:54:56 2011 No.7309835

>>7309447
They all have one right before the final crescendo card. (Or penultimate crescendo card, in Yukari's case).

About half the time they have another one as well. Yukari, Suwako, Koishi all have extra ones as far as I can remember, and there might be more too.
Though I can't say for Marisa, haven't done that one yet.

>>7309829
It's a lot lot easier to get to Suwako with Reimu A than B. B is a bit better than A on a few cards, but not all of them so in general I kinda like A. Though I did beat her with B before A.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 13:57:56 2011 No.7309841 i've never played touhou before. is perfect cherry blossom a good game to start with?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 13:59:21 2011 No.7309844 File: 36 KB, 679x604, cirnobig.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>>/sci/3000999 Do I win anything? :3

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 14:00:56 2011 No.7309849

>>7309841
I started with it, I'd say it's pretty good.
Just keep in mind that the stages of levels 1-3 are really sparse in comparison to pretty much any other stage in the series, so if those put you off it gets better. Other than that, PCB is amazing.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 14:06:56 2011 No.7309868 >>7309844 Congratulations, you are a memespewing secondary.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 14:08:56 2011 No.7309871 File: 52 KB, 419x208, notfunnyb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7309844

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 14:13:56 2011 No.7309877 File: 2.05 MB, 493x500, 1304291376170.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7309868 >>7309871

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 15:13:56 2011 No.7310012 File: 380 KB, 1000x779, d85db68f0389d080d639d96e688bc263.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7309001 >spam your bombs exactly... but then there's Virtue of Wind God. here's me tackling that sc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMwivSRLQw

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 15:15:56 2011 No.7310015 >>7309877 It's a shame to see those pics getting abused by such people

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 15:24:56 2011 No.7310038 Currently working on SA hard, is it just me or is the first stage on hard harder then the others first stages on hard?..

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 15:29:56 2011 No.7310055 >>7310012 >At 0:48 Why's he zooming in like that? Oh god freaking what.

Anonymous Thu May 5 15:38:56 2011 No.7310080

Something useful came out of the funny 240 FPS troll thread - I actually tried playing PCB on 120 FPS for the heck of it (resulting in similar performance as I had when playing as a total novice), and once switching back to 60 FPS, I found myself doing things I thought are outside my physical capabilities, like micrododging inside the stage portion spam patterns on Phantasm which are meant to be streamed... the brain is such a weird organ. I'll try the same trick for my big bad enemy EoSD Lunatic after getting some sleep.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 16:59:56 2011 No.7310387 bump

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 17:02:56 2011 No.7310404 Trouble Witches Neo, WTF is this shit... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy-dLfS-JHs

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 17:10:56 2011 No.7310427 >>7310012 Holy shit... I bet your heart was racing by the end there. I really like that spellcard for some reason

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 17:18:56 2011 No.7310445 >>7310404 2 fast 4 u?

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 18:40:56 2011 No.7310646 >>7310445 They're slower than most Touhou patterns though.

Anonymous Thu May 5 18:45:56 2011 No.7310662

newfag here
I just recently got into touhou and I beat EOSD, PCB and IN on normal 1CC I doubt I can 1CC UFO on normal but I'm gonna attempt MOF soon. my computer is kinda shitty with downloading so I will wait a bit.

I usually do great until the final boss but then I just die everywhere and I've won each game with no lives and no bombs left in stock

my heart can't take much more

Anonymous Thu May 5 18:52:56 2011 No.7310684

>>7310662
>I usually do great until the final boss but then I just die everywhere and I've won each game with no lives and no bombs left in stock

That's nothing unexpected from a beginner.

Keep it up for a month and you will wonder how you ever died on normal, good luck.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 18:57:56 2011 No.7310706 >>7310684 6 months of it and I haven't 1cc'd any of them. ;_;

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 18:58:56 2011 No.7310710 >>7310706 It just depends on how often you play it. Every day for an hour and a half for a month and you're sure to 1cc something.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 18:59:56 2011 No.7310712 >>7310706 How often do you play? It took me 60 hours for my first 1cc, although I played maybe one hour a week or so. It was a long time, but you'll get there sometime. Just keep working at it.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:01:56 2011 No.7310721 >>7310706 Few years of playing on and off and I've only 1cc'd PCB and IN on normal. Not really a big deal.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:03:56 2011 No.7310726 File: 543 KB, 652x511, thtime.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7310712 >>7310710 Maybe these games just aren't for me. But then again, I suck at everything I try so it's nothing new.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 19:04:56 2011 No.7310733 >>7310726 >solo-Marisa Well there's your problem.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:06:56 2011 No.7310737 >>7310733 Do characters really make that much of a huge difference?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:24:56 2011 No.7310798 >>7310737 It's why everyone complains about Reimu on IN and Marisa-B on MoF

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:24:56 2011 No.7310799 >>7310737 They do in IN.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:29:56 2011 No.7310813 >>7310737 Yes. Trust me, solo characters are harder to 1cc IN with in certain cases. Sakuya solo comes to mind. Although my Reimu solo runs weren't that bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:30:56 2011 No.7310820 >>7310737 Unless you're playing EoSD, yeah.

Anonymous Thu May 5 19:35:10 2011 No.7310829 [DELETED]

>>7310798
I don't know about Reimu but for Marisa, it's probably because it's hax. i.e. keeping your power between 3 - 3.99 turns your center laser into the 'fucking-fucker' which you then use to fucking-fuck everyone, including bosses. I was able to 1cc MoF on normal with Marisa B because of it.

That aside:

I've 1cc'd EoSD on normal with Reimu A&B (with life handicap), Marisa A no life handicap with hitbox patch .

I can at least clear PCB with no life handicaps, but no 1cc yet.

I've gotten to level 2-3 on shoot the bullet, but I've never put much time into it.

I've also completed IaMP's story mode on normal.
When I had trouble on normal, I'd play on hard until I beat the lazy techniques out (I have no idea why this worked for me but it did), and then I'd switch back to normal and beat it with relative ease, or possibly beat it on hard. After a while spell card choices became a matter of "which one can I spam Suika's Pandemonium with". Oh and Reimu as a last boss... HAAAAAAAAAX.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:38:56 2011 No.7310846 File: 66 KB, 640x480, fuck you meiling, fuck you.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Didn't see this thread so I'll post here and delete my other one. Someone tell me why this game is so hard. It's pissing me off all I can play on is easy mode.

Anonymous Thu May 5 19:39:56 2011 No.7310848

I've 1cc'd EoSD on normal with Reimu A&B (with life handicap), Marisa A no life handicap with hitbox patch

I can at least clear PCB with no life handicaps, but no 1cc yet.

I've gotten to level 2-3 on shoot the bullet, but I've never put much time into it.

I've also completed IaMP's story mode on normal.
When I had trouble on normal, I'd play on hard until I beat the lazy techniques out (I have no idea why this worked for me but it did), and then I'd switch back to normal and beat it with relative ease, or possibly beat it on hard. After a while spell card choices became a matter of "which one can I spam Suika's Pandemonium with". Oh and Reimu as a last boss... HAAAAAAAAAX.

Anonymous Thu May 5 19:40:56 2011 No.7310851

>>7310726
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=13579

Probably my best run yet with Marisa. I doubt it's the character that's the problem, since I always die from some random bullet or retarded movement, since I'm too retarded to be able to focus on 2 or more bullet patterns at once. And Reimu is completely impossible. I'll just try another character and see how much easier, if at all, it becomes. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:40:56 2011 No.7310852 >>7310846 Don't play on easy mode.

Anonymous Thu May 5 19:43:56 2011 No.7310863

>>7310852
Yeah, I know I shouldn't and I almost never do but I'm talking about EoSD specifically. I don't have "too" much trouble playing other Touhou games on hard but EoSD I somehow can't even beat without using full continues and bombs on easy.

What the fuck am I missing here.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 19:45:56 2011 No.7310867

>>7310846
>grafics patch
why

>>7310851
I'll watch the replay in a bit, but Border Team is pretty much going to be your best bet if you want to 1cc. You'll never die without deathbombing, and Yukari is pretty powerful.

If you must have solo characters, Solo Youmu is good as well, but can be tricky. And she gets destroyed by Marisa-boss...

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:46:56 2011 No.7310873 >>7310863 You're probably getting screwed by input lag. There's a patch for it but I have no idea where to find it.

Anonymous Thu May 5 19:47:56 2011 No.7310874

>>7310846

I've only managed to 1cc EoSD after 100 deaths, and I only accomplished this though practice runs (i.e. going to the specific place where I fuck up, until I figure out a strategy), and looking at replays from 'the experts' : http://replays.gensokyo.org/

Where do you get stuck at?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:47:56 2011 No.7310876 >>7310867 Thank you. I'll be sure to try it out.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:47:56 2011 No.7310877 >>7310867 Is it patched? I can't tell and just saw there is a patch up on the wiki. I don't think I touched it since I downloaded it and it already came patched.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:47:56 2011 No.7310879 >>7310851 Teams will probably be much easier. My favorite has to be SDM team, but find the one you like the most or do best with. Most people say Border team, I did better with solo Reimu than with the Border team. Still no 1cc with either though.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 19:50:56 2011 No.7310888

>>7310873
Oh yeah, I didn't think about that.
http://www.mediafire.com/?izzv1lmnamm

>>7310877
Yes, that's using the graphical fanpatch. I really don't like it for various reasons. You might just try using just the base game with the above patch and see if it helps you out any.

>>7310879
Also it's definitely how the game is supposed to be played, you get a lot more points that way (again excepting solo-Youmu. Like a boss.) Especially given how you can't actually unlock solo characters until you 1cc EVERYTHING.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:50:56 2011 No.7310890 >>7310874 Honestly I don't have much trouble with it on easy up until Sakuya, then I suddenly blow through all my bombs and continues to survive. Then of course it tells me to come back on normal without using continues. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:52:56 2011 No.7310897 >>7310873 >>7310888 Thanks. I'll try both these suggestions.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 19:52:56 2011 No.7310899 >>7310890 You can continue on Normal to get to Remilia. It's only in the PC-98 games that you have to play Normal AND not continue to see the endgame.

Anonymous Thu May 5 19:52:56 2011 No.7310900

>>7310888

I think he should try deleting his score.dat if he hasn't 1cc'd the game then if he wants to play it normally. I did that actually because the records were completely messed up, but I had to 1cc the game again, at least route B. I still haven't 1cc'd route A of IN, maybe I should go do that even though I do have the extra.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:53:56 2011 No.7310905 >>7310899 But then you get a bad end. Life is so hard.

Anonymous Thu May 5 19:56:56 2011 No.7310918

>>7310890

The main thing with her spell cards is that you should try to get a bit close (before she stops time) so that when the daggers start closing in on you, they give you a bit more leeway (especially with the green random ones),and as for the non-spell card attacks, it all comes down to not trapping yourself, and trying to visualize your hotbox (you can approximate where it is from grazing) and trying to keep in a good spot while shit if flying from all sides.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 19:57:56 2011 No.7310920 >>7310900 But don't you have to 1cc the A path before you can play route B? Or do you just have to beat it, continues allowed?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 19:57:56 2011 No.7310921 >>7310920 I beat it with continues and unlocked the B route. Eirin is much tougher than Kaguya for me.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 20:20:56 2011 No.7310981

>>7310851
Whoa. Do you usually play shmups other than Touhou? That was a very tightly done first stage. You did a few things that I wouldn't expect from people who play only or mostly Touhou on it, like hold off on killing a noncard until she shot out familiars for max points. And that strategy on Wriggle's Final Spell, it didn't work but oh man, good stuff. That and the very beginning of the third stage and most of the start of stage 4 is the kind of stuff I'd expect from, say, a Ketsui player, but not from a Touhou player trying to get a 1cc. Pretty impressive, honestly.

I think using solo-Marisa is pretty detrimental to your survival. Solo characters really make you want to stay unfocused as much as possible, and with how fast Marisa is that can make you take some risks where you shouldn't need to take risks for the sake of Time. Much easier to switch to the Youkai for bosses and still get a respectable number of points while moving at a rational speed. Plus you get to shoot and move through familiars which makes a lot of spellcards a lot easier.

But yeah, if you use Border team, with the hugely increased deathbomb window you'll stop dying with full bombs all the time, which goes a very very long way towards getting you the 1cc. You might even get it in one try if you play stages 1-3 like you did there.

Anonymous Thu May 5 20:31:56 2011 No.7311004

>>7310981
I honestly haven't played many other shmups other than Touhou. I've payed all the Touhou games though, but have been focusing on IN. Thanks for the kind words. I can get to Keine without dying and deathbombing pretty easily. (kinda memorized everything up till then) It's just that everything after that makes me shit my pants, especially Reimu's stage. Trying Border team now.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 20:34:56 2011 No.7311016

>>7311004
Yeah, Marisa is almost more terrifying than Reimu, even considering you were taking on the yin-yang orbs directly with a solo human. But once you get past Marisa it's smooth sailing through stage 5, Reisen, and stage 6. The only difficult part from there is Eirin or Kaguya.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 20:43:56 2011 No.7311035 >>7311016 Damn, I haven't realize how slow playing as Reimu feels until now. This may take some time getting used to.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 20:48:56 2011 No.7311047 >>7311016 different guy here. just wanted to say Reisen's "idling wave" kicks my ass 19/20 times

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 20:50:56 2011 No.7311051 >>7311047 Yeah, that is her hardest card. But overall she's way easier than the majority of stage 5 bosses.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 20:51:56 2011 No.7311056 >>7311047 Reisen gives me a few troubles too, but she's not that bad really. Also, I just want to say IN has my favorite stage 4 in the series.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 21:01:56 2011 No.7311083 >>7311056 IN's my favorite overall. seems ZUN went all out in making it. (not a very controversial opinion I gather...)

Anonymous Thu May 5 21:06:56 2011 No.7311095

>>7311083
Ok, how about least favorite Windows game? Mine would be MoF, simply because of the lack of diversity amongst character types. All bombs being the exact same, a weapon type for Marisa that isn't usable. I love the characters and some of the songs, but the lack of character diversity compared to the other games makes it less favorable to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 21:06:56 2011 No.7311096 >>7311083 Not a lot of people will disagree. I have to admit my favorite is MoF for some reason. It may have something to do with being the first game in the series I seriously went all out on to 1cc.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Thu May 5 21:08:56 2011 No.7311098 >>7311095 >a weapon type for Marisa that isn't usable Just use the bugfix in the vsync patch.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 21:10:56 2011 No.7311109 >>7311095 At the risk of blasphemy, gotta go with EoSD. It's just so... unpolished compared to the later games.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 21:20:56 2011 No.7311128 Anyone got any tips for SA? It's kicking my ass. I actually managed to screw up stage 6 Orin when I usually don't. Replay to show what I've been doing wrong. http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=13580

Anonymous Thu May 5 21:27:56 2011 No.7311146

>>7311109
I have to agree with this. After spending a month or so stuck on EoSD, I switched to PCB and IN and found myself enjoying them so much more.

Though I will credit EoSD with probably being one of the reasons I managed to 1CC both PCB and IN Normal on my second try of both (and keep in mind Kaguya is unfightable on your first run of IN).

Anonymous Fri May 6 06:57:56 2011 No.7312902
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>>7311128
don't fall apart on stage 5 like that...
this hard replay is by no means perfect, but should give you some ideas
(watch from stage 5 on without fast forward to avoid Utsuho desynch)
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=13590

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>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 07:42:56 2011 No.7312980 File: 108 KB, 1280x1024, scarlet_cumsokyo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why do you do this, we could be having tea right now

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Fri May 6 10:26:56 2011 No.7313386 File: 458 KB, 640x480, FFFFF.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7312980 That feel. Though, granted, Lunatic is even worse than Extra... but still.

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Fri May 6 12:18:56 2011 No.7313622 >>7311095 IN, because it uses bullet patterns that I'm bad at heavily, and because I can deathbomb so easily I'll never go back and try to clear the spellcards.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Fri May 6 12:33:56 2011 No.7313659 File: 386 KB, 640x480, mmmm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7313622 >I'll never go back and try to clear the spellcards. But that's like half the point of IN.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Fri May 6 12:46:56 2011 No.7313692 Oh yeah, speaking of such. What do the inner percentages mean in the spell card practice circles? The 29% and 70% on my screenshot.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 12:58:56 2011 No.7313716 >>7312902 Lots of bombs...But I think I've at least got the trick for some of her non-cards. I might just try playing stage 5 in practice mode or something.

>>	Zuliani !AkaneKe6Z6 Fri May 6 12:59:56 2011 No.7313719 >>7313692 It's the percentage you got them/how much you seen them, dont?

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Fri May 6 13:00:56 2011 No.7313723 >>7313719 Well, the outer ones are something like cards captured with any team and cards seen with any team. But I'm not really sure what the interior ones are.

>>	Zuliani !AkaneKe6Z6 Fri May 6 13:02:56 2011 No.7313728 >>7313723 One of the circles are for story mode and the other for spell practice mode.

Anonymous Fri May 6 13:12:56 2011 No.7313746

>>7313716

Even though I finally captured that Cat Walk card, I still hate her. Damn her Spleen Eaters and her Needle Mountains and everything. On the off chance I even have four lives after I beat her I still lose. I've got a feeling I won't be beating SA for another year.

Anonymous Fri May 6 13:33:56 2011 No.7313809
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Any tips on how to dodge these lasers consistently?
Also, what do you think is the hardest non-spellcard pattern in Touhou?

On unrelated note, it's really refreshing to have a Touhou gameplay thread with minimal trolling. My faith in English-speaking Touhou fanbase has slightly risen.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 13:35:56 2011 No.7313814 >>7313809 Use Marisa. Im being completely serious, fuck curvy lasers.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Fri May 6 13:36:56 2011 No.7313817 >>7313809 Don't use Sakuya is what I usually do. But in seriousness, I don't really remember how those work because of it. I'd go through and play it again but I'm more or less at work at the moment.

Zuliani !AkaneKe6Z6 Fri May 6 13:39:56 2011 No.7313824

>>7313809
The curvy lasers in this non spell card generally go to the point you were the moment they get shot, to get a strategy in avoiding this one please note the blue triangular shots, these are essential, stay still until the are close to you, now press left/right lightly, so you don't move more than 0.5cm, you just wait until the next curvy laser comes go down/up a little and repeat.
I think it's like this, concentrate in the blue bullets and you will see a pattern.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 13:40:56 2011 No.7313827 >>7313809 I don't really know. I never really had troubles with the curvy lasers. Also, is it just me or does anyone else find themselves doing figure eight movements often when dodging?

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Fri May 6 13:45:56 2011 No.7313844 >>7313827 Not in particular. More often, and even more often in Cave games though still to a lesser extent in Touhou, it's sort of a rocking back and forth curve, with upper left and right and downwards middle.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 13:49:56 2011 No.7313853 >>7313844 I see. I've been playing Fairy Wars extra and noticed I've been dodging like that quite a bit. Also, Test Slave is one of the most annoying cards I've ever played against.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 13:53:56 2011 No.7313878 >>7313809 Start on the left side, move to the middle when the first lasers are fired, move to the right side when the next lasers are fired. Repeat.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 14:06:56 2011 No.7313913 >>7313814 >>7313817 But I'm planning to 1cc PCB with every character. >>7313824 >>7313878 Thanks, I'll try these out.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 14:11:56 2011 No.7313924 File: 183 KB, 640x1400, wwww.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7313913 Also, make sure this doesn't happen to you.

Anonymous Fri May 6 16:33:56 2011 No.7314292
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So, has there ever been a translation patch or something made for the PC-98 games? I like playing them, but I'd like to know the story going on in the text boxes (that isn't reading from a wiki or something).

On topic, has been a while since I've played any of the games, but I always found UFO the easiest to 1cc thanks to it's super abundance of lives thanks to the UFOs

>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 16:41:56 2011 No.7314311 >>7314292 >On topic, has been a while since I've played any of the games, but I always found UFO the easiest to 1cc thanks to it's super abundance of lives thanks to the UFOs I can't believe what I'm reading.

Anonymous Fri May 6 16:58:56 2011 No.7314352

>>7314292

I thought UFo was going to be like that when i was able to get to the end of stage 4 with a lot of lives but then SHOU APPEARS and I die a lot and then BYAKUREN APPEARS and it's game and I'm left thinking that it shouldn't be as difficult as it is.

That being said, I 1cc'd UFO quickest out of all the other games, maybe playing the others helped me do so. I thought the easiest game to 1cc was MoF and the hardest was SA (both on Normal mode).

>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 17:02:56 2011 No.7314365 >>7313853 Fairy Wars extra is one of the few times in the windows series where you have to do that for any length of time. It's like ZUN deliberately avoids it.

Anonymous Fri May 6 17:03:56 2011 No.7314369

>>7314352

Easiest was IN for me.

After IN, MoF was too hard for me. So I posted on /jp/ and someone told me I should just bomb my way through. With that, MoF is quite a joke.

SA was the hardest to 1cc but it's still more fun than UFO. I don't like UFO..

Anonymous Fri May 6 17:06:56 2011 No.7314377

>>7314292

MoF was the first one I managed to 1cc, but only after a lot of work. PCB was the easiest for me, it felt a lot easier after playing MoF. EoSD is probably the hardest for me currently since I tend to mess up on it the most. I have the most fun playing Fairy Wars.

Anonymous Fri May 6 17:17:56 2011 No.7314396

Easiest for me has been IN (since it's the only one I've 1cc'd), mainly thanks to that deathbomb window coupled with what feels like an absurd amount of resources.
PCB, I can occasionally make it to Youmu with a few bombs spent, but then I just get my shit slapped.
Everything about the Youmu battle kills me.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 17:20:56 2011 No.7314404 >>7314396 Youmu is quite funny because she's quite hard on normal, but on hard and lunatic she's relatively easy.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Fri May 6 17:43:56 2011 No.7314464 >>7314292 There's a translation patch for SoEW and HRtP, to an extent.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 6 17:48:56 2011 No.7314483 File: 201 KB, 500x396, laughingelfman..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7314292 >story

Anonymous Fri May 6 22:51:56 2011 No.7315552

After getting used to it a bit, PCB extra feels the easiest so far, I'm actually doing okay on it now. That may only be because of cherry borders though, I feel like I'm kind of cheating my way through. Princess Tenko is a really rough card for me, and I don't even know how that Ultimate Buddhist card is possible. Reminds me of a worse version of Shou's spinny card.

Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Sat May 7 00:09:56 2011 No.7315727

>>7315552
MoF was always the easiest for me.

Ultimate Buddhist is quite easy once you've figured out how it's done. I agree Tenko is hard, but again it's fairly straight forward if you know what to do.
I find Ran a fairly difficult extra boss though because of some spellcards (second card, charming siege from all sides, Unilateral Contact) and I think she has one of the most difficult time-out cards.

Anonymous Sat May 7 00:36:56 2011 No.7315809

>>7315727

So far MoF is second easiest for me actually. Lots of bombs, I kind of feel like I'm cheating when I play that extra as well, although not to the extent of PCB extra. Also, are all extra bosses excluding Marisa immune to bombs during spellcards? It really seems that way.

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Sat May 7 00:44:56 2011 No.7315832 >>7315809 yeah same thing as stage 6 last spellcard. Marisa can deal damage though? damn that makes things so much easier.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 00:45:56 2011 No.7315838 >>7315832 I was talking about Marisa in Fairy Wars as a boss, bombs work on her there from what I've noticed.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 00:48:56 2011 No.7315842 >>7315838 Well, sort of. What's damaging her is your ice breaking, not the actual bomb.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 00:49:56 2011 No.7315848 >>7315842 It's good enough for me. It may be less damage, but any damage is fine by me. Although I wish it did more.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 01:41:56 2011 No.7315964 >>7315727 That time out is one of those ones where I have to stay very focused the whole time or I'll just dive right into the center of a bullet.

Anonymous Sat May 7 01:47:56 2011 No.7315973
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>>7313809
>Also, what do you think is the hardest non-spellcard pattern in Touhou?

Youmu's first non-card on PCB, hands down.
And yeah, I'm not talking about misdirecting it, I'm talking about staying and dodging it

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 01:56:56 2011 No.7315991 >>7315973 Scrub.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 01:57:56 2011 No.7315998 >>7315973 I can usually get that. I would say Mokou's last one, followed by Orin's last one. Oh and fucking Patchy although that could just be me not knowing how to do it.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Sat May 7 02:01:56 2011 No.7316007 >>7315973 It ain't that bad though. Mokou's last? Now that is Hibachi levels of bulletrape. >>7315552 But.... but Ultimate Buddhist is easily her easiest card... both of their easiest cards, since it doesn't change for Yukari...

Anonymous Sat May 7 02:03:56 2011 No.7316020

>>7316007

The blue part isn't that bad, but the red part seems impossible. No I can't spin that fast, I can't do it on Shou's spinny card and I can't do it on Ran's. Easiest card when it comes to Ran is her first for me, although it's a 50/50 thing. Either I dodge it perfectly and I have no idea how I did it or I screw up.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 02:04:56 2011 No.7316026 >>7316020 Spin closer to the center.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Sat May 7 02:04:56 2011 No.7316033 >>7316020 Just move into position right before it changes (it's pretty easy to memorize when this is) and hug her as you spin. (d'aww) You basically wanna get reasonably as close to her as possible without actually hitting her.

Anonymous Sat May 7 02:06:56 2011 No.7316041

>>7316026

I really don't want to get too close.

>>7316033

As nice as hugging Ran sounds, she shoots some red bullets at me that I don't know much about because the only time I encountered that card, I bombed like crazy and barely got a glimpse of them.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Sat May 7 02:07:56 2011 No.7316053 >>7316041 Since you're moving constantly in a circle around her anyways, you basically autododge those bullets for free. Don't worry about them at all.

Anonymous Sat May 7 02:10:56 2011 No.7316063

>>7316053

I see. Actually I kind of forgot what the card was like now. Just that it was spinny and that I hated it. It might be better for me to branch out and try the extra with another shot type, but I've only used Sakuya A in PCB and I don't want to 1cc the game on Normal again. Just gotta keep pushing on.

Anonymous Sat May 7 02:26:56 2011 No.7316116

>>7313809
>Also, what do you think is the hardest non-spellcard pattern in Touhou?
Mokou's last nonspell.

Shou's and Byakuren's second nonspells on Lunatic both give me trouble. Shou's because it's too fast for my reaction times, and Byakuren's because it's just kind of hard.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Sat May 7 03:31:56 2011 No.7316281 Oh god, full-strength Hibachi just violated me in more ways than I ever thought possible... I'm going back to PCB extra...

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 13:08:56 2011 No.7318241 shmup bump

Anonymous Sat May 7 13:54:56 2011 No.7318384
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During Yuyuko's penultimate card I'm huddling in a corner, surrounded by cherry petals and butterflies, out of bombs and 3 point items short of the next extend. I manage to twitch away from certain death numerous times and I know the next border is near, then I go pichuuun...

And then the border activates, clears the screen and I'm still alive.

I finish of the attack and then capture resurrection butterfly for the first time.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 14:22:56 2011 No.7318512 >>7311128 Just do it like this anon-kun. http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=13602

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Sat May 7 14:31:56 2011 No.7318535 >>7318384 but it's not capturing the card if you break your border..

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 14:34:56 2011 No.7318550 >>7318535 penultimate, before the ultimate

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Sat May 7 15:00:56 2011 No.7318636 >>7318550 oops. how do i reading comprehension?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 15:35:56 2011 No.7318723 >>7318384 You death bordered? I want to see what that looks like.

>>	proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. Sat May 7 15:42:56 2011 No.7318735 File: 894 KB, 2453x2877, 3f895107.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fuck yes, now GFW finally runs at stable 60fps, I knew it wasn't that easy. Well, now it's time to rape or get raped.

>>	proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. Sat May 7 15:59:56 2011 No.7318801 >>7318735 got raped violently: http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=13604 I was doing good but suddenly started daydreaming...

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 16:01:56 2011 No.7318806 General question here: when attempting a 1cc , how often do you say "fuck it" and restart? I generally allow myself 1 silly mistake in the first 3 levels before I restart (which makes me really good at stages 1-3 but useless at stage 4 onward...)

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 16:04:56 2011 No.7318815 >>7318806 Any mistake in the first two levels = restart More than a few in 3-4 = restart Fucking up stage 5 = ragequit This is an incredibly bad habit of mine, and it's certainly not doing me any good.

Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Sat May 7 16:06:56 2011 No.7318818

>>7318806
I restart if I make any big scoring mistakes or die within the first 3 stages. Oddly enough, it's only when I say fuck it and keep playing that I actually 1cc the game.

Started working on UFO scoring runs again, got 4-6 more or less down pat but then lost two lives during stage 2 and ragequit.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 16:07:56 2011 No.7318824 >>7318806 I restart if I make a mistake up till stage 5. I usually plan my 'if I need to die, I die here' so as long as I follow the plan, no worries.

Anonymous Sat May 7 16:09:56 2011 No.7318832

>>7318815

I do that too, but at some point I say screw it and just fight on. I lost tons of lives to Lunachild on route B2 of Fairy Wars and only had two lives left when I beat her, I just didn't care about dying anymore and just went on and somehow managed to 1cc the route. Same happened when I only had two lives left when I finished with Sanae on MoF and still managed to 1cc the game. You'll get the 1cc when you least expect it. Also, why is Luna the toughest second stage boss in FW?

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Sat May 7 16:27:56 2011 No.7318887

>>7318723
It's the same as a regular border except it makes both activate and break sounds at the same time.

>>7318806
I pretty much just go until I get a continue prompt. My first SA Hard 1cc had me dying like twice in the first two stages. May as well give it a shot, y'know? It's more fun than doing the first two stages over and over and over.
Unless the game is Ketsui. Then that's actually pretty fun.

Anonymous Sat May 7 16:39:56 2011 No.7318920

>>7318806
I don't restart after stage 1 for regular deaths. And if I'm chain dying that means my skill's shot so I just quit.

I mean, a mistake can be made up for with more conservative playing. On Touhous I have trouble with, I tend to finish with 0-2 lives left no matter how I do.

Anonymous Sat May 7 16:48:56 2011 No.7318954

>>7318806
Here's how it goes for me.

Really well up to stage 4 or so, then I start using bombs and dying a bit. Eventually I die with one pixel of health left on the stage 6 bosses final spellcard.

Then on the next attempt I die to something that's not even hard in stage 1 and ragequit, and don't play again for the next week.

And this is why I will never 1cc any hard modes other than fairy wars and SA.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Sat May 7 16:57:56 2011 No.7318970 >>7318954 You've 1cc'd SA hard but no other integer game? That's... very odd.

Anonymous Sat May 7 17:06:56 2011 No.7318985

>>7318970
SA hard feels easier than UFO and EoSD normal to me.

I could probably do MoF on hard if I put some real effort into it, but it's by far my least favourite windows game.

I'll start making serious attempts on UFO extra after my exams are over, it's the only windows extra that I am yet to clear but studying for exams always leaves me with far too short a temper to accept when I make a mistake and keep playing.

Anonymous Sat May 7 17:23:56 2011 No.7319019

>>7318985
At first I thought you said EoSD and UFO hard, and was about to agree, but.... huh. Alright.

You could probably get 8, 4 & 5 (if you want to), and 7 without much trouble. I've tried 10 a few times but I just don't like it either, and I don't want to bomb spam it.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Sat May 7 17:25:56 2011 No.7319029 >>7319019 Yeah, all of those are definitely easier than SA Hard. Especially 4, Yuuka is such a pushover it's kinda embarassing.

Anonymous Sat May 7 17:32:56 2011 No.7319048

>>7319019
I've tried all the pc98 games, I have trouble keeping track of where the small bullets are. It's either the framerate, the backgrounds, or my own shot that causes it, but either way I just keep running into bullets because I don't see them.

I don't enjoy IN very much, but I guess I'll work on PCB hard after I finish UFO extra.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Sat May 7 17:34:56 2011 No.7319051 >>7319048 Play in fullscreen.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 17:35:56 2011 No.7319053 >>7319051 Another person, I'd rather not play Yuuka's plaid screen of eye rape with full screen. Actually, that reminds me that I've hardly touched the PC-98 games. Maybe played them about 10 times total.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 17:47:56 2011 No.7319072 The more I play EoSD the more I get discouraged. I feel like I've got more of a chance on Fairy Wars Lunatic. I have no idea why I keep dying to Cirno nowadays when she used to be so easy.

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Sat May 7 17:58:56 2011 No.7319092 File: 176 KB, 640x480, th005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 1 bomb away from a high score 1 cc again.. fuck you ZUN why can't I just get one bomb before I have to face Byakuren? well 700M next time..

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 18:03:56 2011 No.7319104 File: 244 KB, 900x1206, c1fc983c7ee7accbc5bca13f644e950a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I got the SA hard 1cc. Okuu is such a pushover, I had more deaths against Satori.

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Sat May 7 18:06:56 2011 No.7319111 >>7319104 I can capture all of Satori and Rin's cards and get through their stage with no deaths, yet Okuu still rapes me. How is her second spellcard even possible?

Anonymous Sat May 7 18:10:56 2011 No.7319125

>>7319072

Tried it again, holy shit EoSD frustrates me. Every time I play it I rage like crazy and just have to Master Spark everything in sight. I bombed Meiling about 6 times when I didn't even need to I was so frustrated. Why is this the only game that makes me feel this way?

Anonymous Sat May 7 18:14:56 2011 No.7319142

>>7319111
How are you having more trouble with her second card than her first? I find them both tricky but the second is at least doable, I'm not even seriously trying the first any more. All I can really suggest for her second card is read ahead, predict how much the red orbs are going to shrink and where gaps will be. And don't get too angry when a white orb comes out from behind a red one and kills you.

Is there some trick to her third and fourth noncards or do I just need to play better? Every time she starts the second wave of small, fast orbs I need to bomb or I die.

Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Sat May 7 18:21:56 2011 No.7319158

>>7319142
1 card is just like Orin's wheel card, you just gotta misdirect and be patient since the red orbs shrink quite a bit
I try to anticipate as much as possible, but the flashing lights and all that shit always fuck me up.
3rd is easy since the hitbox for the orbs are tiny so you pretty much only need to move horizontally, although I like to move vertically anyway since I am paranoid.
4th is kinda tricky, but you just gotta stay right below Okuu and move only horizontally except when you really have to. I find it's also easier to dodge the small red ones that are only coming vertically, instead of diagonally, which means staying in the center.

hardest part for me has always been the non-spells where she flies all around the screen though.

Anonymous Sat May 7 18:32:56 2011 No.7319194

>>7319158
>hardest part for me has always been the non-spells where she flies all around the screen though.

Same for me, those are what I was asking about. As for her first card, it's the small white orbs that kill me. I'm just bad at moving quickly through that sort of obstacle, Fujiyama Volcano screws me over too.

I never need to bomb her first two noncards, or her third and fourth cards, and her last card can go either way.

It's just the first card, and the third and fourth noncard that give me problems, although I usually still have enough lives left as long as I didn't screw up border of wave and particle too badly.

The difficulty curve of SA hard seems really wonky. There's stuff in stage one and three that's harder than some of what Utsuho has, but Parsee is a complete joke even on lunatic.

Anonymous Sat May 7 18:33:56 2011 No.7319196
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>>7319158
I find her fourth card the hardest by far. It's too confusing. Third non spell in hard is just to stay under her a few taps up from the bottom of the screen. The first non-spell where she flies around is hardest for me, it's too dense, I bomb it by default.

For her second card, the blue bullets aren't really an issue so just pretend you're macrododging virtue of wind god and you'll do fine.

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Sat May 7 18:34:56 2011 No.7319198 >>7319194 ah oops totally didn 't see that you wrote "non-card" well 3rd one is easy, you just gotta be away from her a certain distance right below her, and get in that one gap to supergraze.

Anonymous Sat May 7 18:37:56 2011 No.7319207

I'm pretty bad at these games. Trying to beat Mokou lately. I come pretty close, but still can't do it. I thought it would be a relatively easy extra because of spell practice.

Then I played against her non-spells and saw that the last 2 are basically the hardest non-spells I've seen in an extra stage. Why you do this to me ZUN.

Also been trying to clear Mystic Square, but I'm not sure if I'm actually having trouble clearing it or if it's because it's a game I've rarely played and am not used to yet.

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Sat May 7 18:39:56 2011 No.7319210

>>7319207
>Then I played against her non-spells and saw that the last 2 are basically the hardest non-spells I've seen in an extra stage.
Yeah, but that's what bombs are for. Especially in extra stages since you can't damage cards with them.

As for MS, it's probably a bit of both. It's not the hardest game ever, but it is very different from Windows games.

Give LLS a few tries, it's easier than MS with the same feel.

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Sat May 7 18:40:56 2011 No.7319213 Also, given that this just hit bump limit I'll probably make another thread soon. Anybody mind if it's a general STG gameplay thread?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 7 18:43:56 2011 No.7319225 >>7319213 Go for it, /jp/ could use some non-touhou STG discussions.

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