/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

How do I learn Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

You don't.

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>>/lang/

[Anonymous No.]

install gentoo

[Yama !XanaDuh0e2 No.]

>>7288909
Liar!

[Anonymous No.]

asking means you're probably not cut out for it

[Anonymous No.]

You learn it with style.

[Anonymous No.]

By watching subbed animu

[Anonymous No.]

You read http://guidetojapanese.org and copy the whole WWWJDIC to your brain.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't thank me.

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まずは「お気に入りの漫画・アニメ・ゲームを読みたい」とかつまらない理
由で無理だな

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>>7288943

arigatou gozaimasu desu sugoiii ^____^!!!!

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>>7288905
I wanted to interject for a moment but it looks like they're still blocking it.

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>>7288943

Is Rosetta Stone free software?

[Anonymous No.]

1. learn sentence structure
2. learn particles and how to conjugate verbs
3. rest is vocabulary and etiquette

Speaking and understanding Japanese is piss easy, it's the writing that gets a little tough.

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>>7288965

Just so you know, that's a troll chart.

Learning Japanese is a pretty complex process (mostly due to the written language; just speaking it is actually pretty easy once you get past the grammar) that can't easily be answered. Not to mention /jp/ is generally a bad idea to ask about this, mostly because we expect you to either already know what to do to teach yourself or at the very least go to >>>/lang/ to ask this kind of thing.

Although yeah you can pretty much just teach yourself using whatever you can scrounge up, it really depends on your effort spent on how much results you'll get. Some people can get a loose grasp on it in like six months, although on average a year's worth of diligent effort gets most people pretty far along.

[Anonymous No.]

Get a decent book like Genki, work through it lesson by lesson making sure you know everything (grammar/ vocabulary) before moving on. If you're mostly after reading (like, for instance, VNs) you will want to do even more kanji than Genki has per lesson.

Expect to take 3-4 years before you can even attempt to work through any text not meant specifically for children, very slowly looking a lot up from a dictionary, and still not understanding some of it. If that sounds like it will take too long, then better not even try - you will run out of motivation way before you achieve anything.

[Anonymous No.]

VNs/Animu/Games in general through all these years have taught me to understand a good 90% of anything that is being said in japanese.

As for writing and reading it.. Yeah no not a single word.
Unless written in romanjii.

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Why bother learning Japanese?

>>7288945
>まずは「お気に入りの漫画・アニメ・ゲームを読みたい」理 >由で無理だな

>First, "to read your favorite manga anime games" >boring or management The reason that it is impossible

Google translate already does all the work for you. Flawlessly, I might add.

[Anonymous No.]

If i wasn't piss poor i'd go to my capital's university and do a 4 year japan study.

Yes i'm norwegian but only up to college is free. University we have to pay for ourselves.

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>>7288997
>Expect to take 3-4 years before you can even attempt to work through any text not meant specifically for children
You really should decide wether or not you're going to write a troll post before you start, not somewhere in the middle.

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>>7288945
俺にさ、超オナニーやりたいの気分は十分だ。

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>>7289009
Take a loan brosef. Works fine in Sweden.

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>>7288953

Somebody needs to email moot and get him to cut this shit out. We have the captcha now.

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>>7288997
I'm at the 2 year mark, have a vocabulary of around 25,000 and can read manga, novels and newspapers just fine thank you.

Don't listen to others, reading is easy as hell. Getting to the level of speaking that's useful for business is far harder.

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>>7289015
それこそオナニーの力だ・・・さすが/a/だけある

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>>7288905
same way you learn any other foreign language
studying it
there is no mystery to it

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http://www.youtube.com/user/bumnumba1#p/c/9987A659670D60E0/1/oZEA54VJEdE

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>>7289053
What the hell...

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>>7289053

I like this guy.

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>>7289053
Well i lasted about 3 seconds before i turned that off.

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>>7289072
His stroke order and handwriting is atrocious.

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>>7289039
俺のオナニーレベルはもう、４ちゃんから離れた。双葉チャン優れるの力。

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>>7289078
Who cares? He puts the proper symbols up on the screen, and stroke order doesn't really matter.

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>>7289085
>stroke order doesn't really matter.
No, it does matter. You will never progress beyond Naruto-headband wearing weeaboo who can spout occasional bits of Japanese mid-sentence unless you learn stroke order.

Also, why does that guy make every second word an expletive? Does he think it somehow makes him "mature"? Does he somehow see himself as a tough guy?

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Google and download the following:

Byki
Anki
J-Quick Trans

and the following firefox addons

Furigana injector
Rikaichan
Ruby

Look at kanji flashcards all day and look up fucking everything. Try unsubbed anime, untranslated VNs and Light novels.

Or go to Japan, whatever suits.

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>>7289103
>Or go to Japan
Dont bring any money or ID.
You either learn or die.
That should be a pretty damn good way to motivate yourself.

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>>7289100
>No, it does matter. You will never progress beyond Naruto-headband wearing weeaboo who can spout occasional bits of Japanese mid-sentence unless you learn stroke order.
May I ask why?

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>>7289230

He thinks writing kanji actually has something to do with learning or understanding the language.

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>>7289230
I mean, as long as it looks right I don't see why it matters... (unlike that guy in the video... his い is just terrible and I can't stand how he talks so I stopped watching there)

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>>7289247
it doesn't? learning how to read and write doesn't matter? wow.. (Well, I guess if you just want to watch anime that's fine...)

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>>7289247
Not everyone learns Japanese just to be able to play porn games.

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>7289053

Alright, this guy is fucking legit.

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>>7288997
3-4 years my fucking ass dude. Try 1 1/2 years of half assed studying. /me goes back to Kamidori.

(I dropped out of college and had a 1.4 GPA in highschool too)

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>>7289263
>2011
>handwriting

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>>7289286
what the hell other reasons are there

[Anonymous No.]

Watch animu and read mango. Don't use any crutches-no subtitles.

Don't bother specifically trying to turn kana, you'll pick it up while reading kanji.

DO NO ATTEMPT TO WRITE SENTENCES OR SPEAK SENTENCES YOU HAVEN'T HEARD A JAPANESE NATIVE SPEAK OR WRITE. When babies are learning their first language they imitate their parents. First they start with verbs. Then they get to Verbing nouns. Finally they add all the other stuff they hear.

Learn kanji in context by reading Japanese, not by memorizing them in isolation.
Also you'll need to learn to write them separately, since even if you can recognize one you won't be able to write it unless you practice.

Finally, the fast track to learning it is to talk with people who know the language already. People who were raised in the language are great, but the best people to learn from are those who learn it as a second language like you. They have a much better formal understanding of grammar, and can correct your mistakes on the fly.
Having someone to talk to is THE BEST way, although it should be supported by the other methods.

After doing this for 5-7 years, you'll be perfectly fluent if you've been able to talk to fluent people, or sound/write like a non-native speaker if you never got the chance.
Either way you'll learn the language.

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>>7289347
>DO NO ATTEMPT TO WRITE SENTENCES OR SPEAK SENTENCES YOU HAVEN'T HEARD A JAPANESE NATIVE SPEAK OR WRITE
I don't think it's possible to remember what you've hear/read and what you've not though... maybe early on but after a while...

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>>7289347
Do you pass for a native speaker then?

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>>7289053

His neighbors are probably terrified of him.

Also, I love Kirin Stout.

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>>7289300
The people who only passed the four semesters of japanese in university can't even read pokemon or dragon quest level japanese, and half-assed studying will not let you pass those.

Too bad there aren't any Hatsukoi translation threads anymore, you'd fit in with all the others who think they understand japanese because they have rikaichan integrated into firefox.

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>>7289370

Nope. To be honest, I'm nowhere near fluent. I'm just repeating all the advice I've gotten since beginning my journey.

So far none of it has steered me wrong.

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>>7289384
>The people who only passed the four semesters of japanese in university can't even read pokemon or dragon quest level japanese, and half-assed studying will not let you pass those.
Maybe that's because japanese taught in classes are overly formal and doesn't look like japanese used in media such mangas and games? I mean, if you always read/write

私は先に行きます

and suddenly you read

先に行っちゃうぞ！

you won''t know what the hell you're reading.

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>>7289053

haha wow thanks for the link. I'm gunna watch all this shit

[Anonymous No.]

RTFM

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>>7289364
With time, you develop a general sense for what sounds natural and what doesn't. Thing is, that doesn't work when too much of what you hear is actually just stuff you made up yourself.

Input is far more important than output. In fact, for several years I had been perfectly fluent in English without even being aware of it, because I've learned this language mainly by playing (single player) video games and never talked to anyone in it until much later.

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>>7289384
Except I taught myself. Learning Japanese in college is fucking retarded. There are some things I don't get, but guess what? I ask questions about that shit to people that do understand (not as much at this point though). I can absolutely read enough to play games and learn thru them, but translating is a totally different skill I don't plan on attempting any time in the near future.

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>>7289448
>japanese taught in classes are overly formal and doesn't look like japanese used in media such mangas and games?
Or 98% of Japanese used anywhere, for that matter.

>>7289044
>same way you learn any other foreign language
Studying Japanese is a very different experience from studying most other languages, due to 漢字. Whether you recognize the Kanji as the key to success or treat them as the big hurdle in front of it is the main factor that decides whether or not you will ever be good at Japanese.

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>>7289053

It's like the unforgivable dude videos, except more awesome

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well if you are to learn a new thing like that you would best find someone who can speak japanese AND english/whatever you speak.

talk with the person on a daily basis (voice chat) and then just keep going, after a while you should be able to understand quite a bit.

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>>7289053
Haha, I was waiting for this guy to get posted here.

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I like all the people talking out their ass about Japanese classes. I was reading eroge in less than a year of college Japanese. The thing is I actually studied instead of just doing the bare minimum to pass.

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>>7290121
So you just admitted yourself that it's mostly about self study. I mean the collage classes probably helped a bit but they're really not worth it for what they are.

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>>7290121
>talking out their ass

Nope. Been through 2 years of Japanese classes. Completely unnecessary, contrived, restrictive... I didn't come across a single thing in the first year that I didn't already know about 8 months sloppy self-study before the class.

Seriously, you can't say ALL classes are bad, but most are. In this day and age they just aren't necessary.

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>>7290165
I don't see how classes couldn't help some people. I've been self-studying for a while but I really lack direction and drive, so something like a classroom setting (along with a teacher to ask questions to as my hikki ass is too shy to look for someone not obligated to listen to me)