I like both anime and visual novels. I just find it annoying when people says japan is superior country because of this. Like someone is so obsessed with Japan and find it superior compare to other country's.

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Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:35:55 2011 No.7256818 [Reply] [Original]

I like both anime and visual novels.

I just find it annoying when people says japan is superior country because of this. Like someone is so obsessed with Japan and find it superior compare to other country's.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:36:55 2011 No.7256822 Because it is?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:37:55 2011 No.7256827 I find it amusing when some people call visual novels "games".

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:39:55 2011 No.7256831 Congratulations. You've discovered the true meaning of weeaboo.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:40:55 2011 No.7256834

Yes, that is the real(or at least was the original) meaning of "weeaboo." Someone who believes in the innate superiority of the Japanese culture or its people, or has a profound love for them and tries to incorporate their lifestyle, speech, and/or thinking into their own as much as possible.

Now it has degenerated into something more like "does or talks about something japan-related."

Sad state of affairs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:40:55 2011 No.7256838 I'm only here for touhou.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:40:55 2011 No.7256835 That's nice, but not /jp/ related.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:42:55 2011 No.7256843 Reported♥

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:45:55 2011 No.7256847

lol you faggot, we get it, you want to sound intelligent and important and so you go to a forum like this and find some other jizzbag like you who just writes the same shit over and over again to have a debate so that someone can finally listen and hear your point of view because everybody who comes across you isn't interested. you're not? smart, you're not interesting, you're an unemployed dullard who uses 4chan to get the attention he doesnt get at home

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:45:55 2011 No.7256848 >I am embarrassed of being a wapanese piece of shit; therefore, I will alter the term so that it becomes more of a straw man than a definition. Fucking revisionists.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:46:55 2011 No.7256849 Why do you give a shit, you fucking weeaboo bitch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:47:55 2011 No.7256852 File: 30 KB, 425x367, pachinkodonkeysign.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:47:55 2011 No.7256853 >>7256818 >that picture Ha ha! Oh wow, fucking stupid Americans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:51:55 2011 No.7256860 The hilarious part about /jp/ claiming that it's not weeaboo is when you consider how most of them look down on the popular culture of their own country but love the most distinctly Japanese aspects of Japan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:52:55 2011 No.7256862 >>7256860 I'm very sorry, but you came from another board. You don't know shit about /jp/ and your post proves it.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Thu Apr 21 18:52:55 2011 No.7256864 >>7256853 It was a Spanish guy, kid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:52:55 2011 No.7256861 >>7256848 Reported for belligerent uneducated intolerance. Get out of /jp/

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:55:55 2011 No.7256869

>>7256860
>Love the most distinctly Japanese aspects of Japan

It's too bad that the entire medium of eroge are descended by western products

Artsyle? 1930s American animation
Split Narrative? Descendant of old ADV games, which were descended from old rpgs, which were descended from wizardry
Music? There's no aspect of Japanese music that hasn't been touched by the west beyond traditional Japanese music(which sounds like shit)

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:58:55 2011 No.7256876 >>7256869 Why are you so wrong?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 18:59:55 2011 No.7256880 >>7256869 And yet, /jp/ rarely, if ever, has threads about non-Japanese animation, Wizardry, or non-Japanese music. Funny how that works, huh?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:02:55 2011 No.7256885 >>7256880 Well no shit, because that shit gets deleted. You're the one claiming eroge are TRADITIONAL JAPANESE CULTURE

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:04:55 2011 No.7256890 Japan is one of the superior countries, but not because of VNs and anime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:05:55 2011 No.7256895 >Ankakucomplex

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:07:55 2011 No.7256901 >>7256880 Moot is pretty strict on /jp/ compare other boards. If someone post western animation or something western will be banned after 30 sec.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:21:55 2011 No.7256950 >>7256869 Too bad it doesn't work that way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:23:55 2011 No.7256956 >>7256869 By your logic we can't hate China if we love guns.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:27:55 2011 No.7256974 >>7256869 So we have to love the sandniggers now because they invented math?

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:28:55 2011 No.7256984

>>7256869
>Artsyle? 1930s American animation
Isn't that a bit of a stretch? It may have started out that way, but there's no way it applies to modern things. Modern western animation and modern Japanese animation have taken completely different routes since then, and the western animation is trying to copy Japanese animation because of its success (wakfu/airbender)

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:29:55 2011 No.7256989 >>7256956 don't forget arabic numerals bro. we can't detest muslims because everything is based on their numbers DURR HURR

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:30:55 2011 No.7256995 >>7256984 Weren't alot of 80s cartoons like Transformers, Jem, and Thundercats animated by Japs aswell?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:30:55 2011 No.7256996 >>7256984 The only thing they MIGHT have in common (and they don't) are the eyes. There are even characters who don't have bug eyes.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:35:55 2011 No.7257018
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S-Stupid Japan, it's not like we like you. We only like your VNs and doujin games, your unique local subcultures, hentai, music, cultural gender roles, and some cases language, internet presence and food.

D-Don't get the wrong idea!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:35:55 2011 No.7257019 File: 146 KB, 1280x720, [アニメ] 日常第02話「日常の第二話」 (TV○ x264 1280x720).mp4_snapshot_00.46_[2011.04.09_17.13.10].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7256996 1930s American animation eyes

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:37:55 2011 No.7257025 I'm quite positive that the only people on /jp/ who claim to hate Japan yet consume their shit are Chinese and Korean people. Point being: >>7256869

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:40:55 2011 No.7257039 File: 13 KB, 260x201, 260px_Betty_boop_opening_title.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7257019 Black simplistic eyes are 1930 american animation eyes now? really? show me an example which looks exactly like that

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:42:55 2011 No.7257046 File: 120 KB, 1280x720, [Epic-Raws] Dororon Enma-kun Meeramera - 01 (1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_16.03_[2011.04.08_22.15.30].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7257039 It was a joke

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:42:55 2011 No.7257049 >>7257025 chinks and gooks? goddamn are they vile creatures. I say behead the barbarians

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:43:55 2011 No.7257051 >>7257025 I'm pretty sure it's mostly just angry first-tier wapanese trying to prop up some arbitrary criteria to segregate themselves off from the greater community of 13 year-old Naruto and Miku Hatsune fans.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:45:55 2011 No.7257064

I have no animosity for China or Korea, but I honestly have no idea what kind of original content they have besides GEEGEEGEE, copying other countries, All your culture are belong to us, and so on from internet reputation.

I used to think Japanese culture just seemed influential to me because my hobbies were from there and I was just biased, but after seeing that music chart that showed Japan a a solid #2 after a country 10x its size, I'm pretty sure it's quite influential compared to its neighbors.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:48:55 2011 No.7257071 File: 91 KB, 600x862, giant_chinese_gundam.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7257064 have some chinese original content

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:52:55 2011 No.7257091 File: 465 KB, 600x3000, shameless japanese.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7257064 >>7257049 >>7257025 >>7257071 I smell tai/jap/weeaboo scum.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:52:55 2011 No.7257094 >>7257071 Are those poor people impaled on that pile of sticks?

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:54:55 2011 No.7257099

>>7257091
Yeah, China was pretty influential a few centuries ago. Just like Greece/Rome was. But modern Greece is pretty irrelevant as far as original content goes. Culture is another issue that I don't think anyone has ever even talked about in this thread until you brought it up.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:56:55 2011 No.7257107

>>7257064

>I have no animosity for China or Korea, but I honestly have no idea what kind of original content they have besides GEEGEEGEE, copying other countries

Yes, that's probably mostly to do with you being an uneducated retard whose idea of 'culture' is whatever you've found on the internet in the past 16 years of your life.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:57:55 2011 No.7257118

>>7257107
Again, I'm not talking about culture at all. That's an entirely different issue. China is to Asia what Rome was to Europe, nobody disputes that. What I'm talking about is "original content" as in things that are being pumped out at this moment by the country(s).

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:57:55 2011 No.7257114

>>7257091
Too bad modern China isn't the same China that influenced Japan. Did you just forget that your precious leader Mao attempted to cleanse China from all old culture? This is like saying that we Westerners should respect (which we don't, mind you) and not speak ill of Greece and Italy just because we happened to copy their culture a few thousand years ago.

Read these:
>>7256956
>>7256974
>>7256989

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:57:55 2011 No.7257117 >>7257099 Are you implying that modern Japanese culture is original? lol, how delusional can you be.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 19:58:55 2011 No.7257120 >>7257107 Why should he care about a culture that is inferior to its island neighbor? Why don't you tell about something about your culture, what with being Korean and all?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:00:55 2011 No.7257130 >>7257117 If Japan's modern culture isn't original, then what country's is?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:01:55 2011 No.7257133 >>7257117 Are you illiterate? Original content =/ a measure of originality. It's a matter of where it's made. Japan makes animation and comic books and it sells across the globe like hotcakes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:02:55 2011 No.7257137 >>7257133 >Original content =/ a measure of originality Actually, I should have said original content =/ measure of uniqueness. It is in fact original, but it may or may not be unique.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:02:55 2011 No.7257140 File: 117 KB, 450x600, chinese_wii.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7257130 china

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:02:55 2011 No.7257141

>>7257118

So what you are talking about is just pop culture and entertainment?

Outside of Japan that would be mostly TV dramas and pop music, of which there is an endless amount (and I hate it all, but it is there).

China/Taiwan/Korea really pump out all the same shit as Japan, the sole difference being animu/video games both of which couldn't have flourished in those three countries because of economic and political reasons (S. Korea was also a near-dictatorship only a few decades ago, not as bad as China/N Korea but nowhere near as 'free' as Japan).

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:04:55 2011 No.7257144 >>7257130 England, Germany, America. Since those were (and are) major pioneers of capitalism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:04:55 2011 No.7257146 This makes xenophobia perfectly sensible.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:04:55 2011 No.7257147

>>7257141

How did I forget Hong Kong, actually? Again, a huge (shit with some gems) torrent of dramas and world-famous cinema, as well as a fucking HUGE music industry considering the size of the place.

tl;dr these things exist outside of Japan, it's just you clearly only have anime and vidyagaems in mind which is colouring your view

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:06:55 2011 No.7257156

>>7257141
>So what you are talking about is just pop culture and entertainment?
Not limited to, but including. Yes.

>China/Taiwan/Korea really pump out all the same shit as Japan
This should be emphasized more. If China is the Rome of the East, Japan is the USA of the east in terms of pop culture. Have you ever compared Korean television to Japanese television? I swear, they copied or are using a licensed copy of the exact same software they use to make banners and the exact same format for television shows.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:07:55 2011 No.7257160

>>7257141
I'm not trying being a weeaboo here but: it's not just pop culture and entertainment, but for example influential architects to name one, Nobel prize winners and overall influence on the world. Japan could be considered as your typical Western country whereas the same couldn't be said about S.Korea or China.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:07:55 2011 No.7257157 >Why should he care about a culture that is inferior to its island neighbor? ITT we don't teach Philosophy at our schools

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:08:55 2011 No.7257162 >>7257144 Japan is on the whole same level as those countries you mentioned.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:08:55 2011 No.7257163 >>7257144 And Japan isn't the same as those? Japan is -the- pioneer of capitalism in Asia. No question.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:09:55 2011 No.7257166

>>7257141

There you go. China is a whitewashed nanny state and South Korea is a utilitarian blue collar country half-populated by converted Chrisitans. The circumstances of the culture stop them from making interesting things. What was your point again?

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:09:55 2011 No.7257169

>>7257160
>but for example influential architects to name one, Nobel prize winners and overall influence on the world. >Japan could be considered as your typical Western country whereas the same couldn't be said about S.Korea or China.
You are just being biased.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:09:55 2011 No.7257173 >>7257166 He's an apologist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:11:55 2011 No.7257178 >>7257166 >China is a whitewashed nanny state I can't think of very many more inaccurate descriptions of the PRC.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:12:55 2011 No.7257181 >>7257169 I really hope was.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:13:55 2011 No.7257183 File: 32 KB, 813x751, excuseme.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7257169

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:15:55 2011 No.7257191 >>7257178 Yeah, they sure don't censor pornography, violence and subversive content for public consumption. Excuse me while I return to my Mandarin Touhou futa mindbreak rape doujin scans I found on Baidu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:16:55 2011 No.7257192 File: 27 KB, 340x314, 1274626829672.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7257183 >China, Korea >only nobel prize winners peace activists

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:17:55 2011 No.7257197

>>7257156

>Japan is the USA of the east in terms of pop culture

Followed by HK, pretty much.

>>7257160

>for example influential architects

That's... a weird example and I don't really know any Chinese architects off the top of my head...

>overall influence on the world

China's influence on the world is as large as Japan's, and its influence on Japan itself is huge. Silly thing to say. It was us Westerners who forced China to give us their shit in the first place (see the beginning of the Opium War -- Westerners went to China for Chinese shit, offering Western products in return and the chinks' response was basically 'no thx').

>Japan could be considered as your typical Western country

Now you just sound like an insular American who isn't comfortable with things being done his "way".

And in any case, it couldn't at all. If you've never been to Japan or conversed with real Japanese people - in Japanese - then you have no clue about this. The country and its culture is still, at the heart of it, very very alien in Western terms. As said, your view is coloured by pop culture, which has been taken and made Western by us (the fact that we discuss it in English in the first place will automatically make it seem less 'foreign' to you. Think about it)

>>7257166

3/10

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:17:55 2011 No.7257198 File: 69 KB, 476x306, 1303084878263.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7257183 So Korea and Kenya are basically on the same level?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:17:55 2011 No.7257195 >>7257162 >>7257163 IIRC Japan was a very closed country when Capitalism arose.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:19:55 2011 No.7257206

>>7257197
>China's influence on the world is as large as Japan's, and its influence on Japan itself is huge.
We're talking about modern culture here. Everyone knows that ancient China was influential, no one is denying that. China's modern culture is just non-existent.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:19:55 2011 No.7257208 >>7257191 ... is this supposed to be sarcastic?

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:20:55 2011 No.7257213

>>7257191

Oh I get it, you're a buttmad chink.

Baidu is regularly censored to fuck, and the PRC has (recently) censored books for featuring women engaging in casual relationships. Please stop blindly apologising for a primitive nation you've never been to because of some inbuilt patriotism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:21:55 2011 No.7257218 I refuse to believe this conversation is taken place amongst /jp/ posters. Who the hell are all these faggots?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:23:55 2011 No.7257225 >>7257218 /int/, Asia edition.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:23:55 2011 No.7257226

>>7257206

No we weren't, you mentioned some bizarre architecture example (which can be anything from ancient to modern) and then the Nobel Prize, which again isn't necessarily modern.

Besides that, even if I concede your criteria here, Japan's "culture" does not actually have much of an influence on the world. You having an intimate knowledge with the back catalogue of Hatsune Miku does not equal the entire Western world being Japanophiles. Most people don't know and don't give a shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:23:55 2011 No.7257229 >>7257197 >The country and its culture is still, at the heart of it, very very alien in Western terms. I know that. I'm talking about productivity and the over-all presence in the international stage here, and not strictly about culture norms.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:24:55 2011 No.7257231 >>7257206 >China's modern culture is just non-existent. Same could be said about Japan.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:25:55 2011 No.7257233

>>7257226
>No we weren't, you mentioned some bizarre architecture example
Yes I am because there were no influential Japanese architects before the beginning of the 19 century. And that example was just something off of my head, hence the over-emphasis "but for example influential architects to name one". Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:25:55 2011 No.7257235 >>7257231 Guess you don't like cool buildings and porn

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:25:55 2011 No.7257234 >>7257218 It wasn't. There was a temporary, small influx of pseudo /a/-/b/-/v/-/soc/ babies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:26:55 2011 No.7257239 >>7257198 >>7257192 Damn taiwanase /b/tards.. Get out.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:26:55 2011 No.7257241

>>7257197

Oh wow, troll ratings. It's like I'm really back in 2007.

>>7257208

Yes.

>>7257213

Dohoho, that was embarrassing.

>>7257218
>>7257225

This is pertinent to the topic of Otaku Culture or the implied "Doujin/VN" whathaveyou. We understand if you don't have any interest in the world beyond Japanese culture but kindly stop shitposting in our thread and move along.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:26:55 2011 No.7257242 >>7257231 Yes I'm sure those anime aren't influencing cartoons like Avatar: the airbender or Wakfu. inb4 you attack me with "lol only cartoons xDD?"

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:27:55 2011 No.7257244

>>7257226
>Besides that, even if I concede your criteria here, Japan's "culture" does not actually have much of an influence on the world.
Nobody was talking about "culture" until you brought it up. We're talking about actual physical things that come from these countries.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:27:55 2011 No.7257245 >>7257233 Okay. Doesn't change the rest of what I said -- the internet is not representative of nations, most people do not give half a fuck about Japan and don't see it as anything but "lol geishas lol temples lol crazy tv shows".

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:29:55 2011 No.7257247 >>7257241 >Dohoho, that was embarrassing. I like how you managed to disprove everything I said by not actually disproving anything I said, angrychinkbro.

Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:30:20 2011 No.7257251

>>7257245
>most people do not give half a fuck about Japan and don't see it as anything
Most people don't give a fuck about anything that isn't America, mind you.

Add ninjas, samurai, a SHIT bunch of martial arts and all stupid shit to choose from and the overall Japanese culture on that and you have something called influence.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:30:20 2011 No.7257253 >>7257247 I'm white and the post you were responding to was sarcastic and was in agreement with what you wrote. How silly you look.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 21 20:31:20 2011 No.7257255 >>7257244 You are literally talking about 'productivity' as in the amount of things that kept built and made... in... I dunno, factories I guess? That is some weird ass shit, anon. What are you actually talking about? You're being very vague.

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