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English meaning: rice field
Onyomi (chinese reading): デン (den)
Kunyomi (japanese reading): た (ta), -だ (da)

This kanji is easy to remember when you imagine a rice field, divided into 4 sections, as in the picture.

Vocabulary examples:
山田 (yamada): 山 (yama) + 田 (da) - I believe this is the name of a popular character on /jp/?
下田 (geden): 下 (ge) + 田 (den) - A worn-out rice land. The character 下means below/descend.
田家 (denka): 田 ＋ 家 (ka) - A rural cottage. The character 家 means house/home.

So far, I've been using romaji to write the kanji readings. I don't know how proficient /jp/ is in Japanese. Are you guys happy with romaji, or do you want me to use kana instead? You really shouldn't be learning kanji if you haven't learned hiragana and katakana yet, anyway.

>> No.7223492

Kana would be best, romaji is just a crutch.

>> No.7223497

Clearly this calls for a one kana a day thread.

>> No.7223499

What a disgusting coincidence, I was just learning that kanji this morning. Oh well there's another day tomorrow.

If you need to finish this crusade please use kana instead.
頑張ってね！

>> No.7223524

Don't use romaji. Everyone on /jp/ should be able to read kana.

>> No.7223547

Random question popped into my head, which keyboard input does /jp/ prefer?
Straight to kana or typing out romaji style?
Personally I tend to use the former.

>> No.7223548
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7223548

This is a thinly veiled request for a Yamada thread, isn't it?

>> No.7223562

this is silly
anyone who actually has motivation will have learned these already (or can zip through them quickly)

>> No.7223566

>>7223497
Oh you :P

>> No.7223593

Use kana. It's better and easier to remember with kana. Like you said, if you don't know kana, why learn kanji? It's putting the horse in front of the cart.

>> No.7223603

>>7223593
Oops, I meant the cart in front of the horse.

>> No.7223609

>>7223547
Straight kana input is a bit of a bother because you have to remember a whole new keyboard layout.
It's probably better for learning purposes since you'll think less in romaji while typing, but I don't really type japanese that much that it'd have much of an effect.

Also voting for kana notation for the readings.

>> No.7223615

>>7223481
Hey OP. I think you should be doing 1particle/day ontop of grammar like -te/-tai/-ta/past/present/negative form as well.
Kanji is important but to most people on /jp/ grammar and particles are actually more important since with AGTH/TA/ATLAS most people can grasp the meaning of the word but not the form/grammer of the sentence.

>> No.7223624

Just use kana. Like you said, no point in learning kanji if you don't have the kana down. If you don't have the basis of the language down, it's futile to learn the language in depth. It would be like building a house by putting up wallpaper and arranging furniture first.

>> No.7223632

>>7223615
Learning the grammar needed to read VNs with a dictionary really shouldn't take long. And reading tae kim would be lot more efficient instead.

>> No.7223639

>>7223481
use both. my work PC doesnt display kana, or any non-unicode character for that matter.

>> No.7223695

>>7223632
learning grade 1 kanji takes even less time
op should do hard shit
maybe teach us colors, colors are good. I always have to look up shit like 茶褐色、丹色 etc

>> No.7223803

When I learned kana, I started learning kanji right away because it helps you learn kana by using them. Of course you'll learn kanji very slowly at first until your confidence with kana grows. This particular kanji gives you practice with 4 kana. I don't see anything wrong with it.

>> No.7223819

except that maybe you should learn 一、十、and 口 first. Most texts agree the numbers are a great place to start before moving on to 口 and 田.

>> No.7223825

kanji wallpaper
http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=1822&p=1

>> No.7223842

why don't you include the proper chinese reading as well?
learning japanese for /jp/-related progress
learning chinese for real world progress

>> No.7223850

>>7223842
How is learning Chinese useful to us if we're never going to use it? At least with Japanese, we can apply it to our hobbies immediately.

>> No.7224032

>>7223695
Oh wow, look at how cool I am because I know obscure as shit compounds that I saw come up once in a VN I was reading.

>> No.7224278

/jp/ - Japanese Language
I'm not complaining, though.

>> No.7224637

I can do that symbol in three strokes easy. Japan fails.

>> No.7224647

>>7224637

You're doing it wrong.

>> No.7224650
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>>7224637
That's impressive.
But can you leave two complete squares only, by taking away two sticks from it's pattern?

>> No.7225098

these KotD threads are great; thanks OP!

and yes, kana is best.

>> No.7225107

>>7223481
using kana will make people not get in the bad habit of using romaji.

>> No.7225114

>>7223481
You should teach using it in sentences too.

>> No.7225118
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>>7224650
Kindergarten level.

>> No.7225138

I did 10 new kanji yesterday. I'm using Heisig + Anki.

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>> No.7225176

What is the purpose of these threads? Learning one Kanji a day takes forever. Also you don't repeat stuff and forget it anyway. I usually learn 7 kanji a day while repeating the ones I have trouble with.

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7226220

This kanji is most relevant to /jp/. Remember it well.

>> No.7226263

>>7225176
>Learning one Kanji a day takes forever
6 years to become proficient, which is what is normal for learning a complex language like Japanese.

>> No.7226275

>>7226263
Well let's disregard that you haven't learned all Kanji in that timeframe, you still need to learn the words that are formed from multiple Kanji or can you really figure out what 見分ける means from just knowing the Kanji? I seriously couldn't. And then there's some grammar to learn as well..

>> No.7226309

>>7226275
Of course, you do that BESIDES the Kanji. I'm sure you can learn a few words with each Kanji a day too.

>> No.7226335

>>7226220
It's one of the few kanji I know thanks to /jp/ threads... I'm very familiar with it...

>> No.7226418

>>7226335
I know it from Haruhi.

>> No.7226481

>>7224032
that wasn't the point. the point was that people who are actually motivated will know all this shit already. These threads might even be more useful to more people if they were on obscure shit.

>> No.7227843

>>7226220
This is one of those kanji where Heisig would be like "a mountain goat in a grove on a crowned sheaf with drops in a shovel over a spoon with a shape... Fuck, I don't know dude. You're on your own."

>> No.7228160

>>7226220
>>7226335
Does it mean "the pleasure of being cummed inside"?

>> No.7230821

>>7226220
Depression

>> No.7230859
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>>7225118
Kid...I have some bad news for you....

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Am I cool yet?

>> No.7232221

>>7223547
Don't bother with direct kana input, hardly anybody in Japan uses it. You have four rows of keys to deal with instead of three, not worth the effort unless you're training to become a typist.

If you want to bother, though, I do recommend you learn to type Japanese using nihon-siki romanization. It's a lot faster and will reduce your keystrokes and will help you not get caught up in romanized pronunciation.

so ち = ti
つ = tu
ちょ = tyo
し = si
しょ = syo
etc...

>> No.7232225

>>7230859
Please tell me, mom.

>> No.7232229

I used エロ to keep 左 and 右 straight.

>> No.7232240

>>7232229

Chinesefag here. Seems like a common method to remember the two, as I do the same thing to tell them apart.

Aside from that, knowing a bit of Chinese, should I start from the basics with romanji or move on starting with kana?

>> No.7232248

>>7232240
There's no such thing as "staring out" with romaji.
Either you learn your kana or you don't learn japanese.

>> No.7232250

>>7232240
Avoid romaji at all costs.

Also, did the guy who made this thread already give up after the first two?
That's a bit disappointing.

>> No.7232254

>>7232248
>>7232250

Ok. Another question. Am I going to get screwed over because I know more kanji/chinese characters and it will serve as an impediment to me learning it, or am I fine when I reach that level or potentially have an advantage?

>> No.7232258

>>7232250
why don't you continue it?

>> No.7232270

>>7232254
you won't be disadvantaged. if anything it helps because you'll know the meaning of some of the words, you just have to get used to the way japanese works with compounds, grammar onyomi and kunyomi

>> No.7232289

>>7232258
Because I can't be assed to, obviously.

>> No.7232291

>>7232270

Thanks. I'm only kinda considering learning the language since I'm still a bit off from having an average knowledge in Chinese but it is the language I would learn next. 谢谢, 下次尺同大家说.

>> No.7232304

>>7232254
jp: 赤
cn: 紅色

>> No.7232313

>>7232304

Um, the first one is crimson in Chinese and the second one is red color. Nothing that would screw me over because of the difference between crimson and red.

I have heard of worse where 手紙 is letter is Japanese, right? In Chinese, that's toilet paper.

>> No.7232400

>>7232254
It's a possible advantage. I'm sure there are some great CN-JP study materials focusing on that very thing.

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