Most popular characters loved by secondaries!

[Anonymous No.]

Youmu
Sakuya
Sanae
Reisen
Cirno
Okuu
Alice

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think Reisen fits there. Replace her with Flandre or Remilia.

[Anonymous No.]

I love youmu and sakuya. I'm no secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213091
Secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

0/10

[Anonymous No.]

I dont see Yuuka or Mima in that list.

[Anonymous No.]

No.
Needs Yuka, Mima and Flandre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213081
>>7213092
>I like these characters
>Must be a secondary
Woah you are a fucking genius.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213096
>>7213099
But nobody knows Yuuka or Mima exist.

[Anonymous No.]

Hina Master Race.

[Anonymous No.]

Cool, I happen to like Komachi and Reimu the most.

[Anonymous No.]

You are forgetting China, Rumia, Patchy, Remi, and Flan
All EoSD characters attract secondaries as only small minded peasants like that shitty game.

Eientei has the least amount of fanwank meme spamming bullshit and has richer characters than other games, IN has the best music and story as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213113
It must have something to do with EoSD having no gimmicks whatsoever and being pretty unmemorable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213113
Remilia boss stage has been the best boss fight in the entirety of the series. You are mistaken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213113
IN is the flat out worst game with the most uninteresting and garbage characters.

The only character worth mentioning is Mokou and Tewi.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: Mad faggots generalizing their shitty POV.

[Anonymous No.]

You forgot China, Remilia, Flandre, Patchouli kind of, Chen, and Satori.

>>7213155

...and Mystia, Kaguya, Eirin... yeah looks like you're wrong, faggot.

Also kind of odd to note that Reimu isn't really loved by secondaries despite essentially being the Touhou mascot.

Marisa is definitely secondary tier though, mostly due to Alice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213163
>Reimu
>Touhou mascot

That's a strange way of spelling "Cirno".

[Anonymous No.]

1 1 1 Reimu Hakurei 8175 1739
2 4 2 Sakuya Izayoi 7246 1602
3 7 9 Yuuka Kazami 7192 1457
4 5 5 Remilia Scarlet 6920 1375
5 3 3 Marisa Kirisame 6750 1407
6 2 4 Sanae Kotiya 6466 1458
7 6 8 Alice Margatroid 6373 1427
8 8 13 Satori Komeiji 6113 871
9 10 12 Flandre Scarlet 5961 1052
10 18 11 Aya Shameimaru 5620 1144

Everything above this.

11 9 7 Fujiwara no Mokou 5349 1027
12 11 10 Yuyuko Saigyouji 5293 1172
13 13 15 Youmu Konpaku 5201 1122
14 12 6 Yukari Yakumo 5180 926
15 22 35 Koishi Komeiji 4827 706
16 14 28 Utsuho Reiuji 4736 687
17 16 14 Patchouli Knowledge 4298 856
18 24 25 Nitori Kawashiro 4090 631
19 15 - Byakuren Hijiri 4001 447
20 19 19 Tenshi Hinanai 3947 547

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213177
>3 7 9 Yuuka Kazami 7192 1457
>Yuuka
>3

I'm finding hard to believe that is anywhere near legit

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213186
Hello, you must be new here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213163
>Kaguya
>Eirin
>good
Mystia is fine though.

So that's like 3 characters, nice.
Too bad every other game has at least a dozen good characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213194
>UFO

[Anonymous No.]

Secondary this, Secondary that, your all autistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213197
Byakuren, Murasa, Shou, Kogasa, Unzan, Nue

MUch better than IN

[Anonymous No.]

Add Satori, she's also major secondary bait.

[Pedonymous !!Y6th7F6WAoC No.]

>>7213201
Letty is the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213203

>Unzan

Confirmed for troll.

IN: Mystia, Keine, Tewi, Reisen, Kaguya, Eirin, Mokou

All awesome in their own way, but I'm guessing you're one of these people who needs a glaring, obnoxious cast like in EoSD for the characters to stand out.

IN is a much more subtle game in atmosphere and characterisation than most of the other Touhou games, it's clearly just 2deep4u. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213216
Unzan is the best UFO character you tub of lard.

[Anonymous No.]

Thirdary fan here

[Anonymous No.]

>ctrl-f wriggle
>nothing
>mfw confirmed as primary

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213239
I don't think cockroach is anywhere in the top 200

[Anonymous No.]

Noddy but secondaries like those characters, nope.

The hundreds of thousands of fanart of those characters just poofed into existence by a supernova.

[Anonymous No.]

All of my favorite characters are non-game, non-main-game, and PC-98 characters. What does that make me by /jp/ standards?

A hipster?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213246
Fanartists are secondaries.
The biggest ones.
>>7213247
hipster

[Anonymous No.]

With my favourite being Ran I think I stand on the fine line between primary and secondary, like a dangerous and fearless bastard

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213247
>non-game
>PC98
what

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213249
Tenshi is one of my favorites though. Am I still a hipster?

[Pedonymous !!Y6th7F6WAoC No.]

>>7213247
Pretty much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213254
No.

[Anonymous No.]

Sure is thread quality in here

[Anonymous No.]

ITT Hipsters

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213239
You're confirmed as liking unknown and obscure characters.

Meaning you're a hipster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213254

Tenshi is secondary tier by /jp/ standards

There are the types of secondaries you see congregating on youtube videos to post comments like "64 ppl got frozen by the baka XD"

Those are the dumbest, but there are also secondaries in the higher echelons, i.e. /jp/

So I would say that, whilst we're on this board, characters that would NORMALLY be primary are in fact secondary, including Tenshi, Eirin and Mokou

Make sense?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213257
Then what am I? A wannabe-hipster?

Or just your average Touhou fan with good taste, uninfluenced by the masses?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213273
A faggot, most probably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213273
>Touhou fan
>good taste

[Anonymous No.]

Is Reimu loved by secondaries?

[Faggot Hipster No.]

>>7213284
Okay, good to know. Now that I have achieved and official status it will be easier to fit in on /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>ctrl + f Yuugi

Oh thank goodness :3

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213288
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

What does anonymous consider to be "secondary"?

Just curious.

If you ask me I'd say that it's someone who claims to be a Touhou fan and/or consumes Touhou fanworks despite not having a full understanding or knowledge of Touhou as whole. Most cases they have induced in very little or no official works.

[Anonymous No.]

Opinions are fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213328
It's someone that doesn't touch the games, may even deny they exist, or someone that plays on easy mode and still can't beat anything without using more than 2 continues.
>>7213309
Yuugi isn't a little girl and doesn't have a hat, so it is only natural. Yuugi is too good for them anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

Marisa fans confirmed for primary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213344
Everyone is a little girl.

[Anonymous No.]

I love all characters. Some I just tend to forget about more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213230
Me too

I don't even look at touhou fanart, I just point at random inanimate objects and call them 'reimu'

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213365
Marisa is too closely associated with Alice to be considered primary.

Call it, close to secondary but not quite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213373
No, you're rwong.

alphes art = official art
ZUN art = official art
ZUN = alphes

Therefore, Komachi has massive breasts. Picture related.

[Anonymous No.]

PC/Mac
x360/PS3
cut/uncut
secondary/primary
Derp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213407
There is so much wrong with your post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213417
I know, sorry. Spell checker didn't pick up wrong being spell wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213407
>alphes
>official

[Anonymous No.]

Koishi is the most wonderful character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213526
The games are official and that includes the art.

And, except for those few characters that show up all the time, I seriously doubt ZUN cares all that much about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213526
official != canon
Tokiame and Aki Eda drew official Touhou art.
And even ZUN says in his email that the portraits he draws in the games are not 100% the same as the real one. (heights may vary, etc.) because he can't draw very well (or at least doesn't spend too much time on the portraits).

[Anonymous No.]

Why would I care what /jp/ thinks of my favorite character?

[Anonymous No.]

So alphes = canon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213415
PC
PS3
uncut
primary

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213559

You shouldn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213548
>ZUN says in his email that the portraits he draws in the games are not 100% the same as the real one

That's 100% bullshit that secondaries use to justify their favourite fanon. Read the email again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213642
Don't bother, they will rage endlessly at the slightest mention of canon and spew on and on about how canon shouldn't be payed attention to so they can justify their weak fantasies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213642
He also said in an interview that some of the girls have boyfriends.

He also said that Marisa is not available.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213662
I might have to kill myself now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213662
He said that the interviewer can't marry Marisa. That's not the same.

And the boyfriend thing was some /jp/ troll's invention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213328
Secondary fan is a manga/anime fan who got interested in Touhou because of the fanworks (as opposed to primaries - shmup fans who found about it when looking for a new game to play).

Of course nowadays Touhou became babby's first shmup and pretty much everyone is a secondary. Some people are ashamed of that, so they try to reinterpret the term as "someone who never played the games, which doesn't include me since I could even finish IN on easy". Pretty pathetic, if you think about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213662
If i remember properly, only Sanae did, and that's only if its actually something ZUN said and not more trolling.

I suggest you go and become fluent in Japanese and directly read ZUN's posts and interviews then you might be able to say something

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213676
and the "primaries" are people desperately trying to find ways to delude themselves into thinking they're still part of some small superior group of an obscure activity.

The only thing I'm going to call a secondary are the obnoxious kids that do bad RPs and fanfictions on places like facebook and other forums and all that good shallow stuff, y'know...the throbbing growth on almost every fandom

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213676
In other words, it's just a desperate attempt to feel special because they were here first.

>>7213328
All this primary/secondary shit is just a bunch of pathetic excuses. The sooner it dies the better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213698
>>7213699
Faith restored. Thanks folks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213698
So this

IE:

person A: *steels yukari and gets on boat and sails far away*

person B: "nuuuuuu!! >< *masterspraks u and takes yukari back and runs away"

can't emulate anymore...my head is already aching from that much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213699
>In other words, it's just a desperate attempt to feel special because they were here first.

Originally, yes. Nowadays, it's a desperate attempt to feel special despite the fact that they were late to the party by claiming disinterest in a huge portion of community's creative output.

It's as ridiculous as it sounds.

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

Youmu and Okuu were the most memorable boss fights in all the games until maybe 12. Get out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213683

Naw, they are all pure.
But it's true that he said to the interviewer that he can't have Marisa.

I read/listen/watch all his occasional blurbs, his speechs at university and so on, so if someting like that was said I would now. I pretty much stalk him.

Just recently he said something that would make a Touhou /jp/ likes very much less appealing, but I will keep quiet until it spreads more. Nothing lewd, just a "update" on her appearance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213720
I'm fine with the entertainment value of fanon interpretations, but it gets out of hand when people start trying to use fanon as proof against canon.

[Anonymous No.]

Proud to be a secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213683
Trolls like you make me want to waste my time on translating his random blurbs, but I doubt the average /jp/er is dumb enough to fall for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213728
Is it Marisa? She looked less appealing in UFO compared to the other games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213733
That's like saying "I'm proud of being a basketball player who's unable to guide the ball"

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213751
The fact that you think I'm trolling means you need to lighten up and cool down some so everything doesn't look like some sort of attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213762
Your analogy is stupefying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213761
Nope.
>>7213766
>LOLOLOXD

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213730
And more often than not, people who do that tend to call themselves primaries.

It's not "fanon", really. It's just different interpretations of plot and characters, most of them inspired and justified by canon works in one way or another. Of course for each of those, there are going to be some fanworks that use them, but that does not usually justify the F word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213728
If he really said anything official regarding a character, you should add that information to that character's wiki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213728
>a Touhou /jp/ likes very much

Okuu?

[Anonymous No.]

To me, "secondaries" are exploding fuel tanks and ammunition visible from the sky which indicate your bombing run was on-target. I have no idea what the fuck you people are babbling about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213778
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Meiji_University_Touhou_lecture#Non-serious_Q.26A

>Q. Can I marry Marisa?
>A. Japanese in general can't say no, but NO.

No canon info here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213784
He probably means Youmoe (the softest).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213790
>a Touhou /jp/ likes very much

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213790
Ohh. That would make sense. Official hairstyle change? I wouldn't particularly mind, really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213796
>He probably means Youmoe (the softest).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213778
There is just too many little bits to add if you wanted to keep track of everything he said. The english wiki character pages aren't really up to date anyway and it's generally lacking.

>>7213776
Those "interpretations" are what we call fanon.
In contrast to common belief, Touhou already has a rather detailed canon framework that almost always negates those "interpretations".

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213802
>>7213790
What about Youmoe?

[Anonymous No.]

Casual tier:

Reimu
Marisa
Sanae
Sakuya
Cirno
CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN xD
Remilia
Flandre
Patchouli

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213814

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213820
That's surely not what >>7213728 meant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213818

>Patchouli

no.

The others, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213806
>Touhou already has a rather detailed canon framework that almost always negates those "interpretations".

Problem is, it's so detailed that for basically everything you think you know about a character you can find a bit of information that negates it.

I wish I was joking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213806
What exactly is outdated in the character pages ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213829
Give us some canon that contradicts its self

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213829
I don't know of canon that contradicts itself. At least not if you don't start using bs reasoning.

The only examples I know of are between the games 1-5 and 6+, but Zun already said that the games before 6 are not to be taken as canon so that doesn't count.

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>7213820
>less appealing
Surely you jest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213851
He didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213867
He did. It's even translated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213902
He really didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213845
>>7213851
>At least not if you don't start using bs reasoning.

And herein the problem lies, not within "fanon".

The problem is that Touhou lore is built on unreliable narration. It all depends on your definition of "contradict": Akyuu's monologue contradict much of PMiSS, Aya's interviews contradict her articles, character dialogues contradict game events, etc. Of course they're not meant to be taken literally, but good luck finding out just how literally they are meant to be taken. And good luck convincing others that your reasoning is correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213867
>>7213902
>>7213907

>No he didn't
>yes he did
>nu-uh
>yu-huh
so on and so forth

one of you pull forth something solid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213920
If I recall correctly, he said he does not concern himself with them. Interpretations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213913
I want examples if you don't mind.
Until now you have just stated what you want. The canon is still consistent in itself as far as I know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213913
>Aya's interviews contradict her articles
More like back them up.

[Anonymous No.]

>never play any games
>like kogasa
>mfw

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213956
>like kogasa
How retarded do you even have to be to do something like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213956
I wouldn't have gone off on you, but come on, man, greentext?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213962

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213947
No, I really want to know what examples you want. So far, I don't know what we're discussing and what your position is.

"Akyuu's monologue contradicts much of PMiSS" is a pretty clear statement. What makes it a bad example for you?

Or take EoSD dialogue implying Sakuya's death. A pretty clear contradiction, is that a good example for you, or do you claim it can be easily resolved by assuming they're just talking trash? (If you do, be aware that by doing that, you're introducing a way to disregard any piece of game dialogue ever.)

[Anonymous No.]

>Reads thread

It's like i'm really on pooshlmer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213989
Oh, the irony, it hurts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213981
>"Akyuu's monologue contradicts much of PMiSS" is a pretty clear statement.

No, it's not.
Give an clear example of where Akyuu's monologue contradicts PMiSS.
Until then your are just talking BS.

>implying Sakuya's death
I won't even respond to this. Concentrate on giving me an example for the first statement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213981
>Or take EoSD dialogue implying Sakuya's death.

...Really now? Come on anon, you can't be this stupid, or be silly enough to try to use that as a contradiction.

Learn to difference between obvious sarcasm and actual core-story statements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214009
>Obvious sarcasm.

Actually, that dialogue seems to be more 'concrete' than most of the atual statements.

[Anonymous No.]

>dialogue implying Sakuya's death.

Most likely a bad translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213998
>Give an clear example of where Akyuu's monologue contradicts PMiSS.

PMiSS/Youkai: Youkai eat humans.
PMiSS/Monologue: Youkai don't eat humans.

If you don't even know such basic things, we have nothing to talk about.

>I won't even respond to this.

...especially since you don't even seem to want to. Tell me, then, why should I? What's in there for me to discuss with someone who's at best a troll and at worst too stuck up to even consider trying to communicate with other people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214018
Are you forgetting that DANMAKU DOESN'T KILL PEOPLE?

Goddamn, people act so ridiculous when their vision of Touhou is discredited, and they don't even notice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214009
I'd like you to tell me what's obvious about it. I wouldn't be able to tell if I didn't know that Sakuya is alive and well later. What about things we never hear anymore afterwards? What determines whether they're obvious sarcasm or not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214031
You misinterpret that or lack reading comprehension.

>Nowadays, humans are almost never eaten by youkai.
>humans are almost never kidnapped and eaten by youkai in today's Gensokyo.
ALMOST

Also, youkai (Remilia and Flandre for example) eat humans from our world. (not Gensokyo)

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214039
grimdark touhou is canon zun said so

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214043
ZUN says a lot of things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214045
But he didn't say that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214039
So what you're saying is, the dialogue is... ahem... CONTRADICTED... by some other information about the setting?

I'm glad you understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214042
>Humans have no greater enemy than the youkai.
>Youkai attack humans for food.

>Nowadays, humans are almost never eaten by youkai.

Yeah, that makes complete sense together and I just lack reading comprehension. Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214050
Parodies, quotes and sarcasm cannot be "contradicted".

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214059
You only know it's sarcasm because you know it's untrue, smartass.

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou is not meant to be taken serious at all. It is supposed to be a silly story. Why are you people taking it so serious like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213710
>>7213699
>>7213698
I know I am late to the party but
These posts made me happy /jp/

Thank you

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214031

>PMiSS/Youkai: Youkai eat humans.
PMiSS/Monologue: Youkai don't eat humans.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Ah, sorry.
Err, that's your argument for Akyuu contradicting herself?
You are now officially just someone who got butthurt over canon.
Or you just didn't read everything/didn't comprehend what you were reading.

All Touhou canon above TH6 is consistent in itself. If you still want to argue against it give proper citation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213725
>Youmu
>most memorable boss fight
NOPE

[Anonymous No.]

>>7213728

>Q. Please talk about moe. Forget about curtain-fire, moe about Marisa.
>A. Marisa... she has a dirty mouth, are you fond of....?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214056

Youkai as a race attack and eat humans, but now that changed to occasional attacks by younger youkai.
Is it so difficult for your brain to take the factor TIME into the equation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214069

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214074
That's no surprise for everyone who read CoLA

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214079
But it's all in present tense. You know, the grammatical form used to talk about the present. Only in the Monologue, Akyuu comes out and says "that's all wrong, I wrote things the old way because I felt like it, disregard all that I suck cocks lol".

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214056
Argument refuted.
Wanna go on?

>All Touhou canon above TH6 is consistent in itself.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: "You guys could discuss facts all you want but I don't agree with them, therefore they're wrong. Checkmate, I win."

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214041
>I wouldn't be able to tell

There's your problem, you're literally too autistic to understand even basic sarcastic phrases, and even so, she couldn't have been killed because Reimu used danmaku on her.

All of these claims that have been used in every thread like this one are the same desire to want to see Touhou as slightly dark and serious in some aspect, when it's all a damn joke.

[Anonymous No.]

Fans of the Avatar of Bishamonten confirmed primaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214520
>it's all a damn joke.
Yuyuko goes all out in the very end of PCB and tries to kill Reimu Besides, we never know what will happens if a heroine would lose against a youkai, because it will never happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>Yuuka, Reisen, Utsuho, and Sakuya are my favorite characters
>I've beaten every game on Hard and cleared all of the extras. Working on Phantasm PCB next.

Well, after I get done with my shiny new Gradius Collection, anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214602
>kill

Haha, no.

Every final boss goes full out in the end with some huge transdimensional-ish spellcard, so it's common for the last moments to be the flashiest.

Also, she can't ''kill'' Reimu because they're having a spellcard battle, i.e: no deaths allowed, not even her ability to kill lets her do that, only interpret it in danmaku as the draft tells, and as everyone does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214636
Yuyuko is possessed by Saigyou Ayakashi for her final spellcard, and a giant demon tree probably doesn't give a shit about those silly rules, it was sealed when the rules were made.

But then so was Byakuren.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214602
>Besides, we never know what will happens if a heroine would lose against a youkai, because it will never happen.

Yes we do, ever wondered what happens when you clear the game after having used a continue? You get beaten by the final boss and see what happens afterwards, usually it's something along the lines of ''Hakurei Shrine, the spring is blooming blah blah, Reimu says DAMMIT. This is ZUN speaking, you suck''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214639
>giant demon tree probably doesn't give a shit about those silly rules, it was sealed when the rules were made.

There you go, you just lost any value of credibility ever since you said ''probably''. You don't have any evidence other than your own belief, and if you lose all your lives in that spellcard, you just get a bad end with Reimu cursing her luck, even though it doesn't really happen and she always wins in her first try.

Not even death is a big concern in Gensokyo, you can even talk with the deceased and visit them.

[Anonymous No.]

i like the characters i like. i don't care if i'm considered a secondary or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

What a silly thread. Everyone knows Kaguya and Mokou are the favorites for nonplaying teenagers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214689
Explain yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214700
I think it's the grimdark rivalry thing. Youtube stars love them. And maybe it's the only game they can beat too, I don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't want to create another useless thread, so I'll ask here:
What /jp/ means by "achieve satori" ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214718
Read SICP

also lurk more, but thanks for not making a thread about this!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214740
I actually want to know which conditions do you mean.
Like do I have to get to her in only a continue and beat her, or just beat her?
I did beat her on 1c in normal with Reimu B, does this mean I achieved it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214756
>Reimu B
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>7214602
>Besides, we never know what will happens if a heroine would lose against a youkai, because it will never happen.

Only it does happen all the time and we do know what happens next. The game is repeated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7215401
Only it has never happened, and we only know from bad ends. Else we'd have the awkward situation where everyone forgot what happened yesterday and says exactly the same lines as before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7215433
You don't have any evidence other than your own belief.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7215469
On the contrary, you're the one who has zero evidence. I just posted mine, by the way.

The only thing I recall that supports your argument would be the mention in one of the books that says that should the heroine be defeated, she could retry again, obviously more prepared.

As we can see, Reimu beats the final boss on her first go, otherwise the the battle dialogue wouldn't match.

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>7215478
No, you did not post any evidence. You posted your guesses. It's called making shit up.

And the "mention in the book" explicitely says she has to repeat the play until she wins. No ifs, no buts, no whens, no conditional mood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7215508
What guesses? You're the one who's frustrated that can't accept the facts, I'm showing you literal proof that Reimu beats the game on her first try, how can you even acknowledge the fact that everyone will repeat their dialogues over and over again?

And the book, again, it's never been said that Reimu has ever failed on an solving an incident the first time around, again.

Goddamn, it's so hard to argue coherently with people on /jp/ these days, even more so than before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7215522 Here.

Don't reply, it's nap time for me.

'twas fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>7215522
Where is the proof? I don't see any proof. Go ahead, show me proof. I'm waiting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7215497
I don't get it, am I supposed to be somehow perturbed by being accused of being autistic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7215567
not the same guy but ehm, I think he refers to the whole time paradox issue of people saying their same dialogue again.

you're both silly, by the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7215586
You can witness the same kind of time paradox yourself if you go to the same theatre play twice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7215569
>/jp/er calls other /jp/er autistic
>everybody'sgettingautistic.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>7215611
And that doesn't matter in the least nor does it have to do with Touhou.

Good job.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know why you guys are arguing, but we know what happens when a heroine get's a bad end. It always ends with the heroine failing and the incident solving itself on its own.
But the true end is always a good/succesful one.

When you "pichuun~" without getting a ending scene that just means you suck as a player, it has no consequences for the story as there already is a true end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217730
Actually, yes it does.

>>7217735
...personally, I argue to demonstrate that the so-called primaries posing as defenders of holy canon are the first to disregard pieces of said canon if they don't suit their narrow, closed-minded views.

>It always ends with the heroine failing and the incident solving itself on its own.

No, it always* ends with the heroine failing and having to resolve the incident once again.

*UFO is probably an exception, but it's not strictly an incident in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217791
It doesn't really matter what happens to you as player. The heroine doesn't fail in the true end after all. Only the player does.

My memory might not be the best, but I'm pretty sure that the incident solving itself on it's own is the default bad ending in most games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217808
>I'm pretty sure that the incident solving itself on it's own is the default bad ending in most games.

Care to show me somewhere where it explictly mentions this?

>>7217791
If the true end is the one where the heroine succeeds in her first try, then your theory would only be valid in an universe where bad ends happen first.

Also I'm not sure about this, but isn't there at least one bad end where the heroine just curses her luck and the mentioning of ''trying again'' isn't mentioned which results in things staying the way the currently are forever?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217808
Yes, it's your memory failing you. The mist doesn't go away. The spring doesn't come. Etc, etc. The heroine speaks about having to beat the game again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217791
Yes most of the UFO endings are "oh crap I'm stuck in Makai". But Byakuren can take you home whenever she wants. I think one talks about getting better to try again, or it might just be talking to you, the player. I forget.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217819
>If the true end is the one where the heroine succeeds in her first try

If it is, then yes. But I don't recall anything in any ending suggesting it was a first try.

[Anonymous No.]

My opinion > your opinion.

This is a fact.

[Anonymous No.]

Reimu makes a meta joke in PCB extra, calls Chen a stage 2 boss. Reimu is the canon route. There is no way to explain that line. Therefore shut up and stop trying to perfectly resolve Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>liking sanae

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217863
problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217863

>posting thumbnails in the fridge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217850
They are all canon, Yukari have fought both Sakuya and Marisa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217850
That's actually something added by the original translation team for absolutely no reason at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217894
Any other mistranlations?

Because if it can't be proved that the translation is legit then one could revoke the entire Touhou canon (for the west).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217894
Oh damn it. I know he's done those jokes before, but that's the only one I remember Reimu doing post PC-98. I don't believe in the "only one route matters" thing but apparently other people do so using Marisa/Alice in SA as the example would be fruitless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217922
ZUN has stated a few of the canon routes in the past so it's true. Also the books mention Reimu being the one who resolves incidents. The only exception is UFO.

>>7217880
If they were all canon then it would mean that the incident repeated itself 3 times and that Yukari ''fixed that border crap'' 3 times as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217934
I said "matters". They all matter. Each route is a plausible story even if only one of them can have happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217934
>ZUN has stated a few of the canon routes in the past

[citation needed]

>Also the books mention Reimu being the one who resolves incidents.

PMiSS quite specifically mentions that other humans solve incidents too nowadays. And nowhere is it states she's the only one who resolved them.

>If they were all canon then it would mean that the incident repeated itself 3 times

The incident was a months-long prolonged winter. It's not something that happened overnight and got quickly resolved. There was surely enough time for every PC to beat up every boss. Several times.

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>>7217994
>[citation needed]
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Interview_on_Nae_Radio_(September_2009)

Here's one.

>PMiSS

I said ''books'' not ''PMiSS'', and even so, Akyuu does mention that ''the shrine maiden'' is the one responsible for the incidents, except she doesn't know the exact details. In other books such as BAiJR Aya mentions Reimu's deeds and Reimu even mentions the fact that nobody pays her despite her whole incident resolving.

>It's not something that happened overnight and got quickly resolved. There was surely enough time for every PC to beat up every boss. Several times.

There's so many things wrong with this. Why wouldn't it be resolved the first time? Why beat up everyone again? Why would the incident repeat itself in the exact same way? Why would Yuyuko/Yukari do their deeds again? etc.

The resolving of the incident was the return of the normal spring, that's what the ending mentions, so yes, it did resolve itself after a quick danmaku play. As with Yukari, as soon as Reimu beat her she said she'd fix the barrier, i.e: the reason Reimu came there.

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>>7218090
>Here's one.

Precisely, one, and it's about Marisa (not to mention nigh unverifiable). I'm more interested in the "Reimu is canon" ones.

>I said ''books'' not ''PMiSS''

Yes, I said PMiSS, because I was referencing PMiSS. Should I be less specific next time?

>Why wouldn't it be resolved the first time?

Because the PC used continues?

>Why would the incident repeat itself in the exact same way?

I was just, you know, trying to explain to you that it did not need to.

>she said she'd fix the barrier

Actually, no, she didn't. She toyed with Reimu a bit and went back to sleep.

Anyways, I just checked, extra backstory outright states all three went to fight Yukari (most extra backstories are that way, really). With even more confirmation in Yukari's dialogue in IN extra, theorizing is pretty pointless here.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is like Sanae's mind. Full of cocks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7218090
>Akyuu does mention that ''the shrine maiden'' is the one responsible for the incidents
Yeah!

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

+1 for Nazrin!

though honestly this looks un-fucking-godly hard, I'd rather watch you fags play on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KCwD7P4yNU

and listen to the music, starts at about 2:45 in the above vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrXK5D3rOJY

[Anonymous No.]

>>7221310
>danmakufu

[Anonymous No.]

>>7221321
oh derp.

...well, see? I'm a secondary!

lol

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>7221310
That doesn't look hard at all though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7221343
>Secondary
>/a/

You should be able to tell when you're not welcome

[Anonymous No.]

>>7221820
Yeah, like if you care about primary/secondary bullshit or what boards people visit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7221833
>/a/

Yeah, in case you weren't aware, people usually do care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7221841
And that is exactly the kind of bullshit we could do without.

[Anonymous No.]

Truth is, most of /jp/ post on /a/, but just won't admit it. I'm primarily an /a/ poster who mainly come here for the occasional off-topic threads and VN generals, but even I know this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7221854
No you don't, you just guessed it out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7221853
>>7221854
Oh dear, visitors start getting delusions of adequacy. We apparently weren't being rude enough recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7221853
Case in point. The already-established secondary decides to defend himself by claiming it's the whole board's fault he is a secondary. Congratulations, you are a faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222424
dude I quit posting at >>7221343

all the rest of that weirdness was 100% you guy(s) shit

[Anonymous No.]

>mfw Yukari is best toohoo

[八雲紫 No.]

Only secondaries call other people secondaries for liking certain characters/songs/games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222656

i agree with yukari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222618
Speak of the Devil and she shall appear...
>>7222656

[Anonymous No.]

>seriously using the term "secondaries"

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222690
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222618

Wonderful taste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222656
There are definitely characters and songs that are secondaryfag baits, such as Cirno and Bad Apple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222727

Why does Bad Apple get so much hate? It's not a bad song.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222727
No, you're just upset that your secret club is no longer a secret.
Or exclusive.
And you're also mad that Zun WANTS the game to be more friendly towards newcomers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222736

Secondaries like >>7222727 trying too hard to look like a primary due to an inferiority complex. Bad Apple is a fucking awesome song, everyone who vaguely likes Touhou knows that, secondary or not.

Cirno isn't the best of characters, but hey. Whatever. I really think most of the 'anti-secondaries' are just secondaries themselves who are now out to prove something to themselves. Sad.

Enjoy what you want.

[Anonymous No.]

That said, people like >>7222740 are annoying, although they'd probably be annoying whether secondary or not.

"secret club" I can agree on somewhat (ignoring that "secret club" is turning into a really annoying and overused term), but making the games easier? Shmups are SUPPOSED to be hard, you faggot. That's how they've been designed from the beginning, ON PURPOSE (hint: think of where they originated). And this is where ZUN draws his inspiration from, so the games will always be hard and always should be. It's not like true "secondaries" will play them anyway, is it?

My oh my.

[Anonymous No.]

The whole "secondary" bullshit was always retarded but now it's getting out of hand. Have some fucking tolerance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222742
Trying too hard to fit in jpop fan.

[Anonymous No.]

you can't like what I like because I like it more than you

[Anonymous No.]

Eat a dick OP. I love Alice. I find the idea of a being a puppet master awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222727
>Cirno and Bad Apple
Remember the times when stuff like niconicomedley, Marisa steals the precious things or other IOSYS shit and porn doujinshi constitute secondaries and babby's first touhou materials?
I missed them. The current generation of touhou fanbase is just terrible. It is like all the narutards move on to Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

If you're into Touhou fanworks, at least give the games an honest try. That's what got me playing. I felt stupid listening to remixes of songs I'd never heard from games I'd never played.

[Anonymous No.]

Satori ranks so high that she should be a playable character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222800
>The current generation of touhou fanbase is just terrible. It is like all the narutards move on to Touhou.

This is why I act elitist as fuck and refuse to talk to anyone about Touhou who hasn't at least played one game even if it's the most recent one. I don't care if they haven't 1CC'd it as long as they play the games,enjoy them and aren't one of those LOLO CIRNO IS A BAKA XD XD etc kinds of idiots I'm happy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222809
Chireiden need their own manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>7222809
Dirty filthy smelly youkai scum

[Anonymous No.]

How does liking a character from because of the way they are depicted in the GAME inside of some yuri doujin make you a secondary? gtfo.