>origin personality >able to kill everything without exception >capable of everything >unravel the origin of this planet and change evolution >make a new world Super slowpoke here. Void Shiki is a fucking god. Yes. Shiki can kill servants. More like is there anything she cant kill?

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Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:39:27 2011 No.7053491 [Reply] [Original]

>origin personality
>able to kill everything without exception
>capable of everything
>unravel the origin of this planet and change evolution
>make a new world
Super slowpoke here. Void Shiki is a fucking god.
Yes. Shiki can kill servants. More like is there anything she cant kill?

>>	Necrobrotent Sun Mar 6 11:40:27 2011 No.7053498 Yes. But none of those things are in the video games so we don't give a fuck. who am I kidding, incoming powerlevel arguement

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:41:27 2011 No.7053501 File: 6 KB, 192x144, JCD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7053491 A knife is bad choice against Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:43:27 2011 No.7053508 >More like is there anything she cant kill? She said, she can kill a God, so why ask? But, oh well, she can't kill Mikiya, yeah.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:43:27 2011 No.7053510

>browse /jp/
>see greentext thread
>OP pic is not Kurisu
>get up, go to local maid cafe instead
>phone rings, mail received
>it was from yesterday, from John Titor
>don't bother, proceed to maid cafe
>maid cafe, take a seat
>cute maid takes order
>tell her she's Mayuri
>but she's not
>rage so hard I became Daru-nyan
>dick is hard, is 13 inches
>lift up her skirt, see goodies
>she has a dick
>loser boner, get back home
>put my head inside the microwave
>be unconscious
>wake up, something's weird
>I AM a trap
>but then I am being fucked by Daru-nyan

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:43:27 2011 No.7053512 Chuuni shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:45:27 2011 No.7053524 >>7053510 Oh god, what's with these Steins; Gate greentext posts, and why can I understand them?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:46:27 2011 No.7053529 >Chuuni Oh boy, here we go.jpg

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:46:27 2011 No.7053532

>More like is there anything she cant kill?

Ryougi Shiki: What the.....I can't see your death isn’t the problem, no, you have no death.
Ryougi Shiki: You're........so, you're the one.
Arcueid: Yes, you need say no more. The target the Being that summoned you to eliminate is this vessel, the manifestation of lifespan (Life) most far-reaching on this planet.

>>	Huziwara no !MOKOU.FAbw Sun Mar 6 11:49:27 2011 No.7053545 >>7053491 Things that don't have an origin, obviously. By "god", I doubt they were referring to your typical judeo-christian god.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:52:27 2011 No.7053553

>>7053508
>She said, she can kill a God, so why ask?

Interviewer goes on how about how amazing Shiki's eyes seem, given that she can cut space and concepts, and that it really feels like that "as long as it's alive, I can kill God" line isn't an exaggeration. But..

Kinoko: "As long as it's alive", however. The thing is, God isn't alive or dead so Shiki can't do anything to him. However, Shiki can kill what she thinks to be "alive", for example, say a telephone that she perceives as "being alive because it's not broken". On the other hand, if it's broken and therefore feels it's "already dead", she won't see lines.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:52:27 2011 No.7053556 Sounds like a Mary Sue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:53:27 2011 No.7053557 Herself?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:54:27 2011 No.7053569 >>7053553 Then who was phone? >>7053556 Welcome to any popular Japanese fantasy series.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:57:27 2011 No.7053576 >>7053553 What the shit, Ryougi's eyes have pretty shit limitations.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 11:57:27 2011 No.7053579 How does Araya knows about Shiki third personality?

Necrobrotent Sun Mar 6 12:02:27 2011 No.7053594

>>7053576
Yeah but she can use them without her brain exploding, as apposed to Shiki who's brain explodes and satsujinki who can kill whatever but is all dark and edgy and never going to be in a game.

Though Balor is still king of the evil eye.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balor

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 12:05:27 2011 No.7053609 >>7053553 But we are talking about void shiki who is connected to the origin. She can practically do anything without even using her hax eyes. For example, reconstructing atom and time hax.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 12:06:27 2011 No.7053612 Demonbane

>>	Huziwara no !MOKOU.FAbw Sun Mar 6 12:07:27 2011 No.7053615 >>7053609 that's assuming time and matter has an origin. It's possible both had an infinite lifespan with no origin at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 12:10:27 2011 No.7053637 This sounds like something a little kid would come up with. OH YEAH WELL MY CHARACTER CAN KILL ANYTHING AND DO ANYTHING AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 12:11:27 2011 No.7053639 She can't kill beings that embody a planet, like Arcueid and ORT, since celestial bodies live on a whole different scale. Plus, Nasu explicitly stated that Arc is stronger than her, but Void Shiki is not bad, she is second.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 12:11:27 2011 No.7053641 >>7053637 It's called a Mary Sue. VNs are full of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 12:12:27 2011 No.7053645 File: 28 KB, 337x469, neko.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7053639 You mean third.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 12:12:27 2011 No.7053646 File: 60 KB, 200x300, Jotaro_Kujo_Part_III.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 12:14:27 2011 No.7053651 File: 151 KB, 1920x1080, beta.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7053637 He wrote this in his high school so you are not far off. Mikiya character is basically based on himself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 12:20:27 2011 No.7053673 >>7053651 High school fanfic writers could learn a lot from him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:22:27 2011 No.7053842 File: 758 KB, 770x1120, mana.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Cant believe they didnt animate this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:26:27 2011 No.7053850 >>7053842 But still good that they didn't. Moe stuff would ruin it.

>>	Freezing !I8PjSaya5Y Sun Mar 6 13:31:27 2011 No.7053875 Shitty mary sue

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:32:27 2011 No.7053877 File: 29 KB, 200x425, fea.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] She can't kill the author of the story

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:34:27 2011 No.7053887 That ova was pretty boring

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:34:27 2011 No.7053888 File: 35 KB, 500x484, kfhjk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7053850 >Moe stuff would ruin it. No.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:38:27 2011 No.7053900 >green >text >story >on /jp/ No.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:38:27 2011 No.7053901 File: 22 KB, 704x400, 1228966943252.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You guys are all fags. Why do I even hang around 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:45:27 2011 No.7053915 >>7053901 You can leave anytime.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:45:27 2011 No.7053918 Girls with DID sure are complicated

>>	Guro-Shana !I8yAvkuj9o Sun Mar 6 13:45:27 2011 No.7053920 The Flash

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:46:27 2011 No.7053924 >greentext >caters to short attentionspans >greentext >greeny greentext >greeny green greentext

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:47:27 2011 No.7053925 >>7053920 Arcueid > Flash.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:48:27 2011 No.7053930 >>7053925 >Arcueid > Accelerator > Flash Fxd.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:48:27 2011 No.7053931 I love your hair Ryougi

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:50:27 2011 No.7053936 File: 69 KB, 1280x720, Accelerator11.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] She can't kill Accelerator.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:50:27 2011 No.7053937 Sonic Gokuverine

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:53:27 2011 No.7053943 File: 124 KB, 333x500, flash1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7053920 OK, I agree that Flash is good at SC, but seriously what is he gonna do against our Mary Sue? Rush with bunkers?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 13:54:27 2011 No.7053944 SoK "Not enough gun" End.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 14:01:27 2011 No.7053966

Nasu said that she can only fight a defensive battle against Servants wielding extremely average Noble Phantasms. Therefore, Gilgamesh can just snap his fingers and turn her into a pincushion in less then a second, since her physical capabilities are only those of a human.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 14:03:27 2011 No.7053973
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"I can do ANYTHING but I won't"
&
"I'm super-duper killer but hurr durr I can't kill batshit insane faggot in film 7 because KILLING IS BAD and I didn't kill a single human before (wtf)"

That was really turn off by Nasu, pretty weak arguments and overall the final movie was very weak. Epilogue was nice, I enjoyed it a lot because I just like Shiki, the way she talks and the way she walks.

Nasu agreed that his KnK is weaker than Tsukihime and FSN, but honestly I don't think so, at least it's definitely not weaker than FSN.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 14:44:27 2011 No.7054148 >>7053943 I think you underestimate just how OP terran is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 14:47:27 2011 No.7054158 File: 75 KB, 800x638, 1196863631821.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Shiki versus LoN. Who wins?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 14:48:27 2011 No.7054166 >>7053943 He would throw her off guard with a cheesy opening and then pull back, macro up, and kite her into his tank line.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 14:50:27 2011 No.7054173 >>7054158 Shiki is canonically mid-tier at most in terms of Nasuverse powerlevels.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 14:51:27 2011 No.7054176 >>7054158 lord of nightmares isn't bound to nasuverse's origin/akasha stuff he came up with, so shiki could never hope to see her lines.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 15:00:27 2011 No.7054211 >>7054148 >He thinks BW isn't balanced. I have no face and I must mfw.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 15:06:27 2011 No.7054228 >>7054211 >He thinks BW isn't balanced. >implying it's balanced ROFLCOPTER T>Z>P SC2: T>Z>P (if zerg is not retarded, otherwise P>Z).

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 18:58:27 2011 No.7055182 >>7054228 >T>Z>P Hahahaha. Where have you been? P has been killing everyone left and right with their colossus/void ray/HT death ball in GSL and IEM.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:03:27 2011 No.7055202 Nasuverse powerlevels are so fucking stupid. KnK anime and Tsukihime VN are the only good things nasu ever made: fact.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:09:27 2011 No.7055224 >>7055202 Notes > *

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:11:27 2011 No.7055232 >>7055202 >KnK anime and Tsukihime VN And the Tsukihime manga. But that wasn't made by Nasu, which is probably why is so good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:15:27 2011 No.7055243 File: 9 KB, 404x286, 1290565127005.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ok ok, so. Ryugi can tap into the Origin and rewrite reality/recreate the universe, but she can't kill Arc or Ort or even Neko Arc. I don't get it, am I missing something?

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:21:27 2011 No.7055276

KnK was shit. Enjoy your teenage-level philosophy you fucking children. Even Nasu said he didn't like the LNs because he wrote them when he was a teenager.
Same people who overrate this shit are the same people who think DEEN messed up the F/SN anime and Ufotable is some sort of top tier studio

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:26:27 2011 No.7055295 >>7055276 It's much better than FSN, you clown.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun Mar 6 19:28:27 2011 No.7055303 >>7055295 F/SN is his best work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:28:27 2011 No.7055304 >>7055276 >Same people who overrate this shit are the same people who think DEEN messed up the F/SN anime Because gutting some of the most important scenes of the route they were primarily adapting isn't messing something up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:30:27 2011 No.7055312 >>7055303 Why do you think that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:31:27 2011 No.7055314 >>7055312 Ilya.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:32:27 2011 No.7055319 >>7055304 VNs have to mix the routes. DEEN's F/SN adaptation is probably the best VN adaptation ever made... KyoAni's adaptations were all trash. There are few VN adaptations you can make an argument are actually good.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:34:27 2011 No.7055330
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>Ufotable is some sort of top tier studio
They turned a shit LN into one of the most enoyable movie for the past 10years. They also did the spiritual successor to Azumanga Daioh so I am not sure why you are so unsatisfied with them.
I don't even want to know why someone is trying to whiteknight DEEN considering how hard they failed recently.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun Mar 6 19:34:27 2011 No.7055331 >>7055319 >DEEN's F/SN adaptation is probably the best VN adaptation ever made... They see me trollin'. They hatin'.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:34:27 2011 No.7055333 >>7055319 I didn't say anything like that. They were primarily adapting the Fate, with UBW and HF spliced in. That's great and all. But when they butcher several key scenes of Fate, such as the fucking climax of the route, they're doing something wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:34:27 2011 No.7055334 File: 68 KB, 225x350, nipahhhhhh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7055319 First Higurashi season was better adapted. Sorry, peasant.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun Mar 6 19:35:27 2011 No.7055336 >>7055314 I liked the characters and the story more in general. Tsukihime was quite powerful at points e.g. Hisui true end but the same applied to F?SN e.g. Ilya's death scene in UBW. Overall I enjoyed F/SN more.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun Mar 6 19:36:27 2011 No.7055340 >>7055319 The pacing of the fights in the series felt off. They were too slow. I thought their pacing in the UBW movie was better.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:36:27 2011 No.7055341

>>7055333
Sacrifices have to be made. To give every character some real screen time they had to get rid of the church scene.

Removing another scene so you could keep that might be more problematic than you think. This is why VN adaptations never turn out the way fans want.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:36:27 2011 No.7055344 >>7055330 MS isn't the spiritual successor to AD. It's also terrible when compared to AD. I will say that the 5th KnK movie was incredible; but the other 6? Not so much.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun Mar 6 19:39:27 2011 No.7055358 >>7055340 >I thought their pacing in the UBW movie was better. /jp/ is over.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:39:27 2011 No.7055359 >>7055340 >pacing in UBW was better See now this I just can't comprehend. They compressed a 15 hour route into a 90-100 minute movie and that pacing was good? I thought the 26 episode series fixed the pacing of the VN perfectly

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun Mar 6 19:40:27 2011 No.7055364 >>7055202 Nasu was so dissatisfied with KnK that he wanted to rewrite it before it got turned into movies. He didn't do it because he thought that the screenplay adaptations managed to overcome the problems of the original work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:40:27 2011 No.7055368 >>7055358 >>7055359 Judging by his wording, he means only during the fight scenes. I hope

None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun Mar 6 19:43:27 2011 No.7055378

>>7055358
>>7055359
I'm talking about the fights. They were fast-paced rather than having characters sit around talking during them. E.g. Berserker spends about a minute squeezing Rin without killing her in the series. He should have crushed her like a grape in seconds. VNs can get away with it because time can pause while the characters think or something gets described but it breaks the flow in an anime adaptation.

And I did enjoy the UBW movie.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:44:27 2011 No.7055380 >>7055378 It's the same thing in the VN, it's just less offensive when you're reading it versus seeing it.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:46:27 2011 No.7055388
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>UBW good
You must be joking. They butchered the most emotional scene in the game and berserker backstory with lorelei in the background.
How they manage to do that? I will never know.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun Mar 6 19:47:27 2011 No.7055391 >>7055368 The only good fight scene was Berserker vs. Saber and, marginally, Saber vs. Kojiro. The rest was donkey dicks, and anyone that says otherwise is seriously unqualified to be on /jp/.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun Mar 6 19:47:27 2011 No.7055392 >>7055380 I already addressed that in my post. With written word you can pause and elaborate things, which can't happen in animation. As a result VNs can get away with doing that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:47:27 2011 No.7055394 >>7055388 Cut for time. It was a movie >>7055391 Get out. You're unqualified to be on /jp/. Every fight was great and faithful except for shirou vs. gil.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:48:27 2011 No.7055396 >>7055391 Shirou v Archer and Shirou v Gil were good because of how much I laughed during them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:48:27 2011 No.7055397 Sorry for being someone who never read F/SN, but are you guys talking about the same Shiki as in tsukihime? Does he appear in F/SN? If so, then I must find the courage I had for tsukihime to read F/SN

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:49:27 2011 No.7055404 FSN had the shittiest character design, that's for damn sure.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:49:27 2011 No.7055406 >>7055397 Different Shiki from Kara no Kyoukai

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun Mar 6 19:49:27 2011 No.7055407 >>7055394 Uncultured peasant. You are swine. >>7055397 >Does he appear in F/SN? No, but they crossover in BMW. And it's great.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:50:27 2011 No.7055416 >>7055394 >Cut for time. It was a movie. This isnt a valid excuse. Either they do it right or they dont.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:52:23 2011 No.7055423 File: 94 KB, 641x478, shikis_can_kill_servant.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7055397 Shiksi can kill servants. Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:53:27 2011 No.7055435 >>7055394 I always imagined Shirou and Gil raining swords at each other in the background while fighting in UBW. Did I just remember wrong, or was this left out in the movie?

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:53:27 2011 No.7055437

>>7055416
Here's the thing, the movie was never supposed to adapt all the content, it was just supposed to be some fan service in the form of seeing some fights animated.

If you're thrown a bone, don't whine that you don't like. The movie isn't shit because it didn't do what you wanted it to do

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:54:27 2011 No.7055441 File: 94 KB, 641x478, shikis_can_kill_servant.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7055397 Shikis can kill servants. Discuss.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun Mar 6 19:55:27 2011 No.7055444 >>7055416 So if something isn't perfect it shouldn't get done? The movie managed to show the basics of the route.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun Mar 6 19:57:27 2011 No.7055455 File: 81 KB, 640x480, 281.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7055435 I'm pretty sure they fought normally. And the one CG from the fight shows them swinging swords.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 19:58:27 2011 No.7055457 >>7055435 They didn't fight raining swords at each other. The only thing changed in their fight was the fact that they should have been switching swords a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 20:00:27 2011 No.7055466 >>7055457 They rained swords at first, before UBW was deployed. But that was more Gil teasing Shirou or whatever seeing how long he could keep up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 20:01:27 2011 No.7055475 >>7055466 >They rained swords at first, before UBW was deployed. That was in the movie too

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 20:28:27 2011 No.7055577 >>7055466 Ah ok. I'm not sure where I got the impression that they were fighting melee AND raining swords from. Guess it just sounds more badass that way.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 20:55:27 2011 No.7055666

>>7055341
But it was the climax of the story, the climax.
You don't skip that. They could as well had skipped most of anything related to Shirou and his actions, and Saber and her hope.

It is also complete bullshit that all characters have to get some lovin just cause it is an adaptation of a VN, I have heard that argument before and it is complete bullshit.
A story is a story, you adapt a story, not a franchise. If you adapt a franchise and not a story, you might as well do it all "filler", aka fanservice, it would be better.

If someone makes an adaptation of a comic book series, they do not have to include each and every character which have starred in the said series, and work with them. They chose a story and the characters they feel works with it.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 20:58:27 2011 No.7055676

>>7055666
>But it was the climax of the story, the climax.
If we're talking about the basement scene, then I'd like to see you try to adapt that to an anime. You basically have to give Shirou a mental voice and a monologue that seems out of place, then have to throw in his thoughts throughout the entire series to show his development on his ideal.
Harder said than done.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 20:59:27 2011 No.7055682

>>7055666
>It is also complete bullshit that all characters have to get some lovin just cause it is an adaptation of a VN, I have heard that argument before and it is complete bullshit.
Sorry that's what everyone in the industry does. And they do it for a reason. The adaptation isn't done for fans of the VNs, it's done for everyone. Characters like Sakura who don't have a role in Fate now have to be given a role otherwise it wouldn't make sense for her to be there at all. It makes sense in the VN because she will show up eventually. Not the same in an anime

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:05:27 2011 No.7055703

>>7055682
>The adaptation isn't done for fans of the VNs
I dont see your consistency DEEN's whiteknight.
UBW cuts so much corner that there is no way some random guy that havent play any type-moon game can throw in 10bucks to watch the movie in the cinema can come out satisfied.
Compare this to the frontier movie where they cram almost 26episodes into a superior 2hours movie.
It is the problem with the studio, not the source materials.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:05:27 2011 No.7055707

>The adaptation isn't done for fans of the VNs, it's done for everyone.
Yes, exactly, which is why they don't have to cater to fans of characters they don't build upon.
>Characters like Sakura who don't have a role in Fate now have to be given a role otherwise it wouldn't make sense for her to be there at all
Whaaat? Doesn't make sense? If she doesn't have a big role in the story at hand, she isn't necessary.
Are you telling me they should have scrapped Taiga, and all the side characters as well because their roles weren't big enough and because it doesn't make sense for them to be there?

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:07:27 2011 No.7055713

>>7055703
Yup, they had completely different goals.
Fate was supposed to be a stand alone to get a "full story" with all the characters

UBW was supposed to have some nice fights.

>>7055707
Taiga isn't a big character in the VN or the anime for a reason. She's just not a big character.

Sakura on the other hand is HUGE in the VN. F/SN is basically a harem and as a heroine, she needs some screen time.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:13:27 2011 No.7055731

>You basically have to give Shirou a mental voice and a monologue that seems out of place, then have to throw in his thoughts throughout the entire series to show his development on his ideal.
Are you by chance, telling us this is unreasonable to expect from profesionals in the field?
Any studio worth their money should be able to do this. The old Batman cartoons had more development than this, and they were action paced, villain of the week structured.

And mental voices aren't out of place. The biggest reason as to why they are rare in anime, is because they are rare in manga, and the reason as to why they are rare in manga, is because the Japanese never quite got the different kinds of bubbles and boxes that western comic book writers used. This is why they used speech bubbles, for everything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:14:27 2011 No.7055738 >>7055713 >Sakura on the other hand is HUGE in the VN. F/SN is basically a harem and as a heroine, she needs some screen time. But, if it is made for everyone, and not fans of the VN (Sakura), then why would she need any bigger role than Taiga?

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:18:27 2011 No.7055762

>>7055738
I think it's a little more than obvious that Sakura is a heroine, even in the first few episodes of the F/SN anime.
Taiga on the other hand is just a side character

I know you think it's silly. But do you really think every VN adaptation mixes the routes for nothing? It's an accepted way of VN adaptations for a reason

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:21:27 2011 No.7055780 >>7055713 a heroine of a different route. that's like saying that a batman movie about the joker needs to have mr freeze, the penguin, two face, and the riddler.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:22:27 2011 No.7055789

>>7055762
>It's an accepted way of VN adaptations for a reason
>accepted way of VN adaptations
Do you have any idea of the disputes fans and studios have had regarding this over at Japan?
There is also the reason why the Amagami adaptation tried something new. That one was hoever always a dating sim, and no ordinary romantic story related thing, but he principle is the same even though it is all the more apparent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:24:27 2011 No.7055799 >>7055762 it's a shitty way that doesn't make anyone happy. either pick one route and stick with it or use an omnibus format like some recent adaptations are doing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:24:27 2011 No.7055801 >>7055780 Come on, that's a bad analogy. I can't convince you it's a good way to do things, but the studios have reasoning for mixing the routes. If it appeals to more people then it's better for them. Sakura has fans, believe it or not.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:28:27 2011 No.7055822

>>7055789
>Do you have any idea of the disputes fans and studios have had regarding this over at Japan?

I'm sure the fans hate it and the studios like it. For the reasons I gave. Studios want to make sure they encompass parts of the entire VN whereas fans want it to be a 1:1 adaptation of a route.

Fans hating adaptations goes back way before VN adaptations. Anything changed about the adaptation and the fans go nuts saying it's shit. It's another case of "this work is shit because it's not how I wanted it"

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:29:27 2011 No.7055828 File: 134 KB, 644x480, sakuraisshit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7055801 >Sakura has fans If they did it based on popularity poll, they would have given Saber, Rin or even Ilya spotlight over her.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:31:27 2011 No.7055837

>>7055703
Not the same person, but the anime was aimed at a wide audience (obviously) because it mixed a lot of content and had the luxury of being 24 episodes compared to regular shows, only having about 12. It's obvious UBW was made as PURE fanservice, and there's where the distinction between staying true to the source material vs grabbing as many fans as possible differs.

>>7055731
>And mental voices aren't out of place.
This is all I read up to. Mental voices do work in small monologues or dialogue heavy pieces (Shakespear comes to mind), but F/SN is not any of that. Shirou's thought process spans dozens upon dozens of pages that flesh out his character and to do so would be to essentially have entire segments worth nothing was Shirou thinking. That doesnt make sense in an anime since the action is always occuring and freezing it is stupid whereas in a VN, the reader goes at their own pace.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:32:27 2011 No.7055838 >>7055822 Not true. Lots of people love Kara no Kyoukai even though it is not 100% book to anime adaptation. Lots of stuff were removed and added. Same with Clannad and Air.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:34:27 2011 No.7055846 >>7055838 >Lots of people love Kara no Kyoukai Same people who never read it. >Same with Clannad and Air. Everyone hates AIR. Fans of CLANNAD hate the adaptations because it ruined the concept of the light orb and the whole alternate world.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:34:27 2011 No.7055849

You know, iwould have been perfectly happy with carnival bullshit and other fully original content, if they left the the serious attempt at adapting one of the original stories out of it.
Why? Because if you take a serious story, and makes it into a cluster fuck because you want to add things that never fitted into the story to begin with, it will most likely end bad, just how bad depends on various things, but still bad.

Now, if you take likeable characters and a setting from something people might enjoy, make up a story in which all the characters can interact, and perhaps even have some drama or events or whatever, as long as it is made to have all the characters do stuff together in the chosen setting. Then you can add almost whatever you want and cluster it up in many various ways and it won't be as bad, because then it is already a different type of show.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:35:27 2011 No.7055856 >>7055837 Just to add, when I say fanservice, I mean specific fanservice to a group of people rather than ALL of the fans of a VN and its various routes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:36:27 2011 No.7055859 >>7055849 F/SN's sakura bit was pretty coherent. I don't know why people call it a clusterfuck. There were a few questions left unanswered but the whole story flowed well.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:37:27 2011 No.7055868
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Kanata > Type Mercury (ORT) = Ado Edem > Type Jupiter ≥ Type Saturn > The Six Sisters ≥ Type Pluto > Type Moon (Crimson Moon) = ArcheType Earth (Arcueid) ≥ Type Venus > Balor > Primordial Demons > True Demons > Primate Murder > Original Roa > Angra Mainyu > Zelretch (young) > Lancelot (F-15) > Gilgamesh (Vimana) > Counter Guardian Archer > Gilgamesh (Tohsaka) > Gilgamesh (Kotomine) = Arcueid (30%) ≥ Dark Sakura > Dark Saber > Saber > Zero Caster's Sea Demon > Lancelot > 5th Berserker > Dark Berserker > 17th Roa (Elesia) > 4th Rider > Merem Solomon > 5th Lancer (optimal) > 4th Lancer = 5th Rider (Sakura/optimal) = 4th Caster (optimal) > 5th Lancer (Kotomine) = 5th Caster = 4th Caster (Ryuunosuke) > 5th Rider (Shinji) > Nrvnqsr = Clairvoyant Fujino = Kurogiri > Archer > Kouma > 5th Assassin = 4th Assassin > Aoko > Barthomeloi ≥ Arcueid (6%) > Kojirou = Ciel = "Ryougi Shiki" = Soren Araya (within the Ogawa Building) > Gun God (Black Barrel) > Touko = Kayneth El-Melloi = Night of Wallachia > Sion Tatari = Melty Blood Satsuki = R. Shiki = Akiha = Asagami Fujino = 18th Roa > Tohno SHIKI = Alba = Heaven's Feel Shirou = Kiri > Nanaya Shiki = Reinforced Kuzuki = Sion = UBW Shirou = Waver = Bazett > Avenger = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Luvia > Kiritsugu = Irisviel > Maiya = Leysritt = Tsukihime Satsuki = Lio = Avalon Shirou = Sakura = Ilya = Kariya = Len > Kirie = Caren = Meruka > Azaka > The Dead = Possessed Corpse = Misayo = Dragon Tooth Warrior = Fuji-nee > Gun God (unequipped) > Fake Shiki = Ryuunosuke > Tomoe > Keita San > Shinji = Hisui = Kohaku

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun Mar 6 21:38:27 2011 No.7055871

>>7055731
>The old Batman cartoons had more development than this, and they were action paced, villain of the week structured.

Frankly, I think it's unfair to compare anything to the old Batman: The Animated Series show. Brilliance beyond compare.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:40:27 2011 No.7055878

Void Shiki > Kanata > Type Mercury (ORT) = Ado Edem > Type Jupiter ≥ Type Saturn > The Six Sisters ≥ Type Pluto > Type Moon (Crimson Moon) = ArcheType Earth (Arcueid) ≥ Type Venus > Balor > Primordial Demons > True Demons > Primate Murder > Original Roa > Angra Mainyu > Zelretch (young) > Lancelot (F-15) > Gilgamesh (Vimana) > Counter Guardian Archer > Gilgamesh (Tohsaka) > Gilgamesh (Kotomine) = Arcueid (30%) ≥ Dark Sakura > Dark Saber > Saber > Zero Caster's Sea Demon > Lancelot > 5th Berserker > Dark Berserker > 17th Roa (Elesia) > 4th Rider > Merem Solomon > 5th Lancer (optimal) > 4th Lancer = 5th Rider (Sakura/optimal) = 4th Caster (optimal) > 5th Lancer (Kotomine) = 5th Caster = 4th Caster (Ryuunosuke) > 5th Rider (Shinji) > Nrvnqsr = Clairvoyant Fujino = Kurogiri > Archer > Kouma > 5th Assassin = 4th Assassin > Aoko > Barthomeloi ≥ Arcueid (6%) > Kojirou = Ciel = "Ryougi Shiki" = Soren Araya (within the Ogawa Building) > Gun God (Black Barrel) > Touko = Kayneth El-Melloi = Night of Wallachia > Sion Tatari = Melty Blood Satsuki = R. Shiki = Akiha = Asagami Fujino = 18th Roa > Tohno SHIKI = Alba = Heaven's Feel Shirou = Kiri > Nanaya Shiki = Reinforced Kuzuki = Sion = UBW Shirou = Waver = Bazett > Avenger = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Luvia > Kiritsugu = Irisviel > Maiya = Leysritt = Tsukihime Satsuki = Lio = Avalon Shirou = Sakura = Ilya = Kariya = Len > Kirie = Caren = Meruka > Azaka > The Dead = Possessed Corpse = Misayo = Dragon Tooth Warrior = Fuji-nee > Gun God (unequipped) > Fake Shiki = Ryuunosuke > Tomoe > Keita San > Shinji = Hisui = Kohaku

I fixed your list.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:41:27 2011 No.7055887 >>7055878 >Void Shiki >Lost to Arc >Arc lost to ORT >#1 Okay.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:45:27 2011 No.7055909 File: 28 KB, 74x90, Neko-Arc.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7055868 >>7055878 The strongest character is missing.

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:45:27 2011 No.7055910

Meido>Suigin(Using Aikido)=Aikido Master/Giant Wolf of Darkness>BOOF>Marisa>White Ren>Gogeta>Arcueid Brunestud=Currybutt>ZUN!bar>Sion=Ponpo>Jones=Eksopl=AoRF>Comrade General=Meiling=Kyon>KoG>Taiko Drum Master>Remilia Scarlet#junk>Meru>Athens>Kordox>Anonymous

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:45:27 2011 No.7055911

>>7055859
I am not calling the things related to Sakura a cluster fuck, I am calling the entire adaptation with the three paralell story lines, Fate, UBW and Heavens Feel, as well additional original content, to be a cluster fuck of an adaptation.
Especially when Fate, the story they took the most from suffered from it.

It was a long time since I actually thought deeply about the anime and all that, but I remember how I got most of these opinions even before I read the VN, before the VN was fully translated.

The routes aren't entirely interchangeable. What happens in Fate, doesn't make as much sense to happen in UBW or HF, and what happens in UBW doesn't make much sense to happen in Fate and HF, for obvious reasons.

In the anime there were details of things that hinted at entirely unrelated things, all the time, but without taking any hints up and elaborating on them, ever. These are of course all homeages to the VN, and it would have all been fine, if all of it just made sense.
These added things from the other storylines also makes far less sense when they can't even portray the main lead properly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:47:27 2011 No.7055921 >>7055910 >anything > ZUN!bar Nice try

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun Mar 6 21:48:27 2011 No.7055929 File: 228 KB, 650x600, c29e3e6bf8ffe7fa610b579f22702601.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7055910 BOOF isn't greater than me. He's not even a little girl, for god's sake.

>>	deleted !t6J79s1XL6 Sun Mar 6 21:50:27 2011 No.7055943 >>7055910 I must be that terribly bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 21:53:27 2011 No.7055969 DDD > Notes > Tsukihime > Kara no Kyoukai > Fate/stay Night > Canaan

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 22:10:27 2011 No.7056064 >>7055868 >Kanata Why is Kanata so high up? I havent read DDD.

>>	Necrobrotent Sun Mar 6 22:11:27 2011 No.7056072 >>7055969 Switch tsukihime and notes and I agree. Notes is odd.

>>	Necrobrotent Sun Mar 6 22:13:27 2011 No.7056080 >>7056064 Bitch is crazy, She'll fucking eat you. >>7055910 I thought /jp/ liked Kordox more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 22:13:27 2011 No.7056082 >>7056064 Because she is a world destroyer on a completely other level than Types. She smashes universes by physical prowess alone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 22:14:27 2011 No.7056087 File: 477 KB, 800x1200, b07a19b603a2768cd423fdda1f91fbf9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7055969 >Canaan TM trying to be Nitro+ Pic related, Nitro+ trying to be TM

Anonymous Sun Mar 6 22:18:27 2011 No.7056103

>>7055868
Version 2.0

Kanata > Type Mercury (ORT) = Ado Edem > Type Jupiter ≥ Type Saturn > The Six Sisters ≥ Type Pluto > Type Moon (Crimson Moon) = ArcheType Earth (Arcueid) ≥ Type Venus > Balor of the Evil Eye > Primordial Demons > Primate Murder > Angra Mainyu > Zelretch (young) > Counter Guardian Archer > Gilgamesh (Tohsaka) > Gilgamesh (Kotomine) = Arcueid (30%) > Lancelot (F-15) > Dark Sakura > Dark Saber > Saber > Zero Caster's Sea Demon > Lancelot > 5th Berserker > Dark Berserker ≥ Original Roa > 17th Roa (Elesia) > 4th Rider > Merem Solomon > 5th Lancer ≥ 4th Lancer = Archer ≥ 5th Rider > 4th Caster > 5th Caster = Nrvnqsr > Clairvoyant Fujino = Kurogiri > Kouma > 4th Assassin > 5th Assassin > Aoko > Barthomeloi ≥ Arcueid (6%) > Kojirou = Ciel ≥ Kotomine (young) = "Ryougi Shiki" = Soren Araya (within the Ogawa Building) > Gun God (Black Barrel) > Night of Wallachia ≥ Touko = Kayneth El-Melloi > Sion Tatari = Melty Blood Satsuki = R. Shiki ≥ Akiha = Asagami Fujino = 18th Roa > Tohno SHIKI = Alba = Heaven's Feel Shirou = Kiri > Nanaya Shiki = Reinforced Kuzuki > Sion = UBW Shirou = Waver = Bazett > Avenger = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Luvia > Kiritsugu = Irisviel > Maiya = Leysritt = Tsukihime Satsuki = Lio = Avalon Shirou = Ilya = Kariya > Sakura > Len > Kirie = Caren = Meruka > Azaka > The Dead = Possessed Corpse = Misayo = Dragon Tooth Warrior = Fuji-nee > Gun God (unequipped) > Fake Shiki = Ryuunosuke ≥ Tomoe > Keita San ≥ Shinji > Hisui = Kohaku

>>	Necrobrotent Sun Mar 6 22:18:27 2011 No.7056104 >>7055878 >>7056082 You know what would be cool? A low magic type moon. More grunge less h4x, Like world of darkness with more fishmalk.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 22:38:53 2011 No.7056153 >>7056104 world of darkness is chunni

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 6 22:43:29 2011 No.7056164 >>7056153 I still have no idea what that means.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 7 00:42:31 2011 No.7056164,1 Funny how video games and shitposting are tolerated. New meido doesnt have any consistency.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 7 03:09:27 2011 No.7056164,2 >>7056164,1 I feel like some of these deletions are downright retarded.

deleted Mon Mar 7 08:45:49 2011 No.7056164,3 [INTERNAL]

The other theory is that Meido is a bot.

Turns on once a day and deletes EVERYTHING that's been reported.

OR

Meido just literally deletes whatever is in the report box without bothering to look at what's in the thread. In other words, getting it over with quickly by being lazy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 7 11:56:11 2011 No.7056164,4 >>7056164,3 You were just banned again, weren't you. What was it for?

deleted !t6J79s1XL6 Mon Mar 7 12:02:55 2011 No.7056164,5 [INTERNAL]

>>7056164,4
Well that post was way before the ban.
I looked through everything that I had posted.
"NSFW image on a SFW board"

The culprit seems to be the stuff I had posted in the Koishi thread. One I forgot to spoiler...
Which was yesterday...

So I'm assuming there is a zero tolerance policy for mistakes.

>>	deleted !t6J79s1XL6 Mon Mar 7 12:03:42 2011 No.7056164,6 No worries though, I'll be back Thursday.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 7 12:19:58 2011 No.7056164,7 >>7056164,5 Actually, you did spoiler it. And just recently last week I got a 3 day ban myself for simple spoilered nudity. I think this just about confirms that this current mod doesn't allow NSFW-spoilered porn, period.

>>	deleted !t6J79s1XL6 Mon Mar 7 12:32:53 2011 No.7056164,8 I guess so... (There was another in the same thread, e.g. the FLX one, but I'm going to let it lie for now.)

Anonymous Mon Mar 7 12:42:18 2011 No.7056164,9 [INTERNAL]

>>7056164,8

You only made two posts in that thread.

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/S7054092#p7054181

and

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/S7054092#p7054162

I guarantee you that the second link wasn't responsible for it. There's absolutely nothing explicit about it.

>>	deleted !t6J79s1XL6 Mon Mar 7 12:46:23 2011 No.7056164,10 Alright then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 7 15:31:58 2011 No.7056164,11 >>7056164,3 I reported the Kig thread for not-mind-safeness a couple of days ago and it's still here.

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