/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Why is Nihongo so fucking hard?

[Anonymous No.]

Because the tower of Babel fell.

[Anonymous No.]

>German, English, Chinese, Latin
>Nihongo
>Hard

Japanese is like Latin with some chinese and english loan word clusterfuck added in.

[wtH !hWtHG71Z1c No.]

>mfw kanji is kanji for complicated [as HELL]

[Anonymous No.]

I find it more annoying than hard.

[Anonymous No.]

YOU WANT SOME CRACK BRO

[wtH !hWtHG71Z1c No.]

HELL yeah if your right handed watch this to help you memorize this, thank me later
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEaMUVLLiJ0
won't work for left handed people

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039023
I'm left handed. What do you know.

[Anonymous No.]

It's a language isolate with the most complex modern writing system.

[Anonymous No.]

It's not hard at all.
You're just white.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039023
What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

The hardest part about learning to read Chinese or Japanese is the memorization of Chinese characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039023
Feels good being the right hand master race. I'm apart of every master race possible pretty much, I think. If I'm not apart of it, then it's not a master race. Too bad lefties, maybe in Gensokyo you'll have better luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039090
Troll. Everyone knows left handers are superior. Three of the last four presidents were left handed even though they make up 10% of the population. Paul McCartney was left handed and so was Einstein.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese isn't too hard... it's easier for me to pronounce than Chinese. Chinese is easier to read and digest though.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese is easy as long as you get past the culture barrier and kanji. That being said easy languages > hard ones. The more complex and fucked up the grammar is, the shittier the language

[wtH !hWtHG71Z1c No.]

>>7039115
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1099/do-left-handers-die-young
Master races are made to die young huh?
>Using right handed products...in their home.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039128
>Hard things are easy when you take out the hardest parts

Even getting past that, it's still difficult to learn all that vocabulary. You could learn a language connected to English in a fraction of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

Had there been no Kanji, I'd probably be an expert by now. But instead I can't tell what is written because my first impression is to read it, not translate it. Just how I read English, instead of directly translating it when I encounter it.

[Anonymous No.]

I've found Japanese the easiest of all languages I've studied (4 other than my mother language, including English). I feel like I've just learnt most of it half-accidentally.

I think maybe 80% of the whining is from people who have never tried to learn any foreign language on their own before and are surprised when it actually requires effort to learn their grorious nipponese.

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>>7039139
I find this to be true, especially around americans.
But having english as your mother tounge is a huge handicap so it's understandable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039132
>Even getting past that, it's still difficult to learn all that vocabulary.
I agree. I did not meant to say that Japanese overall is easy at all since kanji are still part of the language itself.. it's just that the logical grammar makes it up for the hard parts. Look at English or languages like Polish. Fucked up and overly hard grammar that benefits no one.

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>>7039142
>having english as your mother tounge is a huge handicap
Just out of curiosity, why do you think so?

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese probably ranks up there as one of the easiest languages to learn.
If you're bitching and moaning about this, don't even try to learn other languages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7038997
What do you mean it's hard? 5 year old in Japan can learn it, what's wrong with you?

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>>7039158
Their pronounciation is fucked for life.

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>>7039161
Except it doesn't. Just because you spend 8-10 hours a day on Japanese by either studying or reading native material compared to 3 hours a week on some random language doesn't make it harder than Japanese.

I dare you people who say Japanese is easy to invest the same amount of time you spent on learning other languages on Japanese without reading shit like manga or eroge to say that Japanese is easy.

tl;dr it's all about motivation

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039158
If you completely disregard the horrid pronounciation of your vowels, most americans are completely submerged into their own english culture. I know americans who wont watch a movie if they have to read subtitles through the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039158
The grammar structure is completely different.
For ex, it's really easy for Chinese people to learn English, and for Korean people to learn Japanese because they share the same grammar structures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039161
You're stupid. You haven't tried learning many languages if you think Japanese is one of the easiest.

>Of the 63 languages analyzed, the five most difficult languages to reach proficiency in speaking and proficiency in reading (for native English speakers who already know other languages), requiring 88 weeks, are "Arabic, Cantonese, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean". The Foreign Service Institute considers Japanese to be the most difficult of this group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039188
>>Implying English as mother tongue

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>>7039170
germanfag here
similar pronounciation ho!
i'm still not motivated enough to actually learn the language, though

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039185
For this reason and many more, Japanese are complete shit at English

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039202
Regarding this, Yuu Asakawa (Tsugumi from ever17 for example) is twitting in English. Moe as fuck http://twitter.com/#!/Julia320

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039170
>>7039182
>pronunciation

Silly. English has some of the widest phonology. It's a great "starter" language it's very neutral in that and many other ways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039215
And that is exactly why it's fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039213
>My knee is still injured. Put a cup cake band-aid on it:) >http://plixi.com/p/81032785
nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039213
I lost it when I saw the cupcake bandaid photo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039005
漢字

Do you have trouble tying your shoes as well?

[wtH !hWtHG71Z1c No.]

>>7039213
HELL naw...non sequitur?

[wtH !hWtHG71Z1c No.]

>>7039226
ment to quote this
>>7039213
that background is fruity as HELL

[wtH !hWtHG71Z1c No.]

>>7039226
HELL naw...non sequitur?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039254
Do you know what non sequitur means?

I don't think you do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039267
I wish I knew how to pronounce it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039254
I just can't see someone with a functioning brain having trouble with memorizing the kanji for kanji. There's enough bullshit to complain about in Japanese without needing to pretend to be mentally handicapped.

Seriously,
>complicated [as HELL]

There are only 7 chunks of information involved in writing 漢字. Are you so intellectually deficient that you still memorize kanji stroke by stroke?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039267
It's just you.

[wtH !hWtHG71Z1c No.]

>>7039267
it means
comment not related
your face when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039283
Trolled hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039296
You're probably right. I just don't know why someone would intentionally try to build an online reputation as "that retard in the corner drooling on his coloring books."

I really just responded because it's fun to come up with ways to call someone stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039309
wtH is a public trip, you are the one looking like an utter fool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039004
Oh man, did not expect to laugh that hard.

[wtH !hWtHG71Z1c No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>Japanese harder than latin.
The fuck is wrong with you? You should try archi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039311
Thanks for telling me. I usually keep out of the whole tripfagan game, so I'm pretty ignorant of the subject.

I don't regret my actions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039341
comparing a dead language to japanese is fucking stupid anyway

[Anonymous No.]

I just need to memorize kanji to understand eroges, right? I've been putting this shit off for months because of this uncertainty and because I have crippling social anxiety even on the internet. My face is burning as I type this.

[Anonymous No.]

hmm, guess this is the time to ask:
I learned RTK1+ Japanese Core 1000 + Grammar.

What I'm asking is, what's the easiest VN /jp/ knows?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039341
Not the person you quoted, but I've studied both. Japanese is harder. Especially if you add in classical Japanese.
Classical Japanese is more fun than modern, but it's so much harder. Conjugating particles with fucked up meanings is just.... just... why, Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039374
Axanael. It's shit though.

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>>7039372
I understand what you're going through, I have a very difficult time with posting as well.

But you will need to learn grammar as well. Just knowing kanji will only give you a very, very basic understanding of what's being written, if even that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039390
I'll take a look, thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039374
キミキス

Just get something you're interested in though. Motivation is the most important part. You're gonna have to be able to enjoy something enough that you'll keep going even if you can only comprehend half of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039402
Well, it's not like I didn't expect to have to learn grammar as well. I just meant if I could skip over the kana, which I thought was necessary for some...

Actually, I don't remember why I thought that. I don't even know why I never asked this before!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039415
Looks like this game has some interaction as well, besides walls of text, this will hopefully help.
Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039390
Not DEEP enough for you? It's above average in all aspects though not outstanding in any (unless Sumaga references count). I can understand the frustration of N+ not releasing a spectacular game, but that's really one's own fault for setting the bar too high.

On topic though, it is mostly very easy to read for those just starting Japaneae.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039424
You should learn the kana before anything else. Hiragana then katakana. Pronunciation for kanji is usually written in kana anyway, so you basically have to learn them first.

Don't worry though, it should only take you a week max to learn each one if you study every day for an hour or two. The kana are easy to retain, as well, because you'll be seeing them all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039536
At least I can finally put my questions to rest. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

Wang Peng > Kimura Takeshi > Gao Wenzhong

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039415

>>7039464 here again just wanted to let you know that I enjoy the game, thanks again.

I tried Axanael too, but it seemed a bit "slow". (probably because I'm slow as well).

Any tip is welcome, I have alot of space in my list after kimikiss.

[Anonymous No.]

>3 years of japanese
>wow this seems pretty easy
>SUDDENLY KANJI
>50,000 CHARACTERS LOL
>MULTIPLE TERMS AND EXCEPTIONS FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE
>FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[Anonymous No.]

Any non-H visual novels you guys reccomend to read unstranslated as practice? I've picked a few light novels to read, but I'd like some VNs to read as well (full voice/voice preferred).

[Anonymous No.]

it's hard because they use an archaic writing system invented by scholars with the purpose of being too hard for anyone but scholars to learn. macarthur should have forced them to use a modern script.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042207
How do you feel about the characters from New Practical Chinese Reader more.

[Anonymous No.]

> macarthur should have forced them to use a modern script.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042334
AIBT?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7039163
american 5 year olds are already learning how to read. how many runes can japanese 5 year olds read? like 3?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042339
Hiragana + Katakana, about twice as many as an american kid.

[Anonymous No.]

>people saying Japanese is easier than Latin

But that's wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042345
and how much can you read knowing only hirigana? the words in english children's books are the same words found in adult books. a jap kid can only read shit specifically written for children.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042357
>the words in english children's books are the same words found in adult books
Haha, no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042307
>two years of japanese
>wow this seems pretty easy
>laugh at people who fuss about translations

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042314
just read H-visual novels you retard. Just skip the sex scenes, they are boring anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042307
You only see kanji after the third year? That is fucking retarded and you should stop going to that school. You learn kanji from the fucking beginning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042307

Native Japanese speakers don't know ALL of the kanji, just like native English speakers don't know EVERY word in the English language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042365
"house" is house no matter if it's in a picture book or a novel. a jap kid might be able to read words in hirigana, but it doesn't matter since they can't read the chinese runes that are used for actual writing.

[Anonymous No.]

No it's not. Pronouncication is easy as fuck. Particles, sentence order, suffixes and conjugations... they all make perfect sense.

I'm finnish, and picked up japanese faster than any of the germanic languages. English took 10 years to reach this level, swedish/norwegian 3 to speak understandably, german 4. Japanese? Half a year. It's just the kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

You people are totally fucking retarded who think kanji is overly difficult.

Kanji are not unique little snowflake made up of pictures that appear everywhere else. There's a few fucking primatives they all share and then you memorize putting like 1-3 of those in the right spot.

[Anonymous No.]

>Kanji are not unique little snowflake made up of pictures that do not appear anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.]

Gonna post my question here and hoping for some answers.

Pretty much I'm going to university next year, but I need 20 points to fill up my quota with subjects I've already actually taken, so I figured since they offer Japanese I might as well take that the first semester, and maybe I actually get motivated into taking the language long term.

I see they offer at least Jap101 and Jap 102, the first one seems more just as obligatory culture shit that is most likely just in English, while 102 starts directly on learning the language. So I'm guessing 102 is the way to go.

I might decide to start learning it already now so I won't fail hard (also I have nothing to do), should I just follow the list of books they have set as recommended?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042441
compared to an alphabet where you learn 20-30 letters and don't have to memorize shit it certainly is overly difficult

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042420
>I'm finnish

Isn't that language more fucked up than Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

Am I the only one who finds kanji to be the easiest part of the language, but can't learn grammar for shit? I have a good memory, but it feels like I have a learning disability when trying to understand simple grammar.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>7042449
yes because grammar is the easiest part of learning a new language since it's conceptually 90% the same every time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042420
Can you write Japanese as good as you write English or Finnish, then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042414
You're an fucking idiot. Not all words are written in kanji, sigh..

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042445
obviously, yes
if learning from textbooks is working for you, get the books
I also heard good things about the genki books, maybe try them too

personally I hate these books
and I hate classes

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042474
>sigh..
get out weeaboo faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042479
you first chink

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042479
Wait, you're putting me down for using an english word?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sigh

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042479

あなたのくそはばかなぶすだ。。。

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042489
日本語でおk

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>>7042448
Dunno. But I guess it would make sense for glorious nihonjin.

Example: in finnish, we create a verb with question by ending it with -ko/-ka/-kä/-kö. And in japanese they do it with -ka. :3

Olet = you are
Oletko = are you

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042485
just because you didn't put asterisks around it doesn't mean you aren't a faggot for typing out a vocalization

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042485
Since when is "sigh" an interjection?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042479
why do people seem to relate everything like that to weeabooism. Gaia may have been where you went before 4chan, but the internet is much larger than those two sites.
:D

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>>7042420
>It's just the kanji.
Well no shit. Kanji are still part of the language as far I'm concerned, so the language overall is kind of hard. By hard I mean it takes a lot of time to learn.

Personally I had it easier with german and spain than japanese

[Anonymous No.]

The easiest way to learn the language is to just read all the damn time once you know some of the grammar rules and kana. Everything else will follow. Just supplement that with kanji learning with RTK or Kanjidicks.

Classical Japanese is fucking hard, from the little I've seen of it, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042504
that makes him a faggot. defending kanji as a reasonable writing system makes him a weeaboo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042504
Insecurity?

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody noticed that OP is underage. The stuff he learns in that latin textbook is stuff you learn in early highschool.
reported

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042505
Actually kanji isn't that terrible.. I tried learning chinese before, and that was terrible. Like wall of runes. Kanji is kinda like.. sometimes you can read them from context like in any other language. 少女 for example I learned from context pretty soon after picking hiragana. There was "karenda" spelled in katakana, girl on cover and kanji like that. "oh, calendar girls!".

Impossibru with chinese.

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>>7042521
Who learns Latin in high school?

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>>7042518
So this the reason you called me a weeaboo? To be honest, I didn't even have a clue why you called me that in the first place, but it's clear now. Enjoy making your own stupid assumptions. Your logic is stupid as fuck and so are you.

And no, defending kanji doesn't make me a weeaboo, it just means that I know more about it than you. You're merely parroting the words of an typical idiot

And for the record, all I said is that not all words are written in kanji, and even if they are, they have furigana on top of them if it's aimed for teenagers. And even if they had furigana on top them, what makes you think a 5-year-old would know the word?

[Anonymous No.]

Where do I get the furigana book with that nice cover, OP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042532
almost every german highschool offers it so lots of people do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042532
tons of people. they even have conventions for it.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is it cool and trendy to say くそ now? I thought japs usually only say kuso similar to how we say "shit". e.g., kuso i'm late. i never hear them say stuff like anata no kuso ga.

[Anonymous No.]

I almost started reading this before I reminded myself that these always devolve into morons complaining that everyone should speak American.
Must reply to every thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042544
Weeaboo/gaijin Japanese. Ignore it. That being said, these shitty threads draw out the stupidest people on /jp/ as is evident in this thread, so take it to >>>/lang/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042539
using chinese characters is actually retarded. it would be like if english was written using heiroglyphs.

>what makes you think a 5-year-old would know the word?
5 year olds actually know a lot of words. an alphabet means that once they learn phonics their written vocabulary equals their spoken vocabulary. with pictographs even if you know the word you may not be able to read it. this is something the rest of the world figured out thousands of years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042552
This is primarily why people spell poorly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042552
You realise that the link between written English and spoken English can be pretty damn tenuous right? Your point is valid for plenty of languages that use an alphabet, but English isn't really one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042555
fortunatly even if you can't spel rite you can still reed

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042552
>5 year olds actually know a lot of words.
That's arguable. Do they know enough words to read an adult's fiction? Nope.

>with pictographs even if you know the word you may not be able to read it.
Are you saying that you know exactly what a certain English word means (assuming it's new to you) without checking the dictionary? How is it any better by knowing how to read it, but you don't even know what it means? Logic fails you here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042562
yeah and that makes english harder to learn. how many people do you hear claiming that english spelling makes perfect sense and you're just stupid if you can't figure it out?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042552
>using chinese characters is actually retarded. it would be like if english was written using heiroglyphs.
Actually, English using roman alphabets is stupid as fuck as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042568
sub-
trans-
extra-
inter-
...

The prefix, suffix and root words help tremendously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042576
Yes, okurigana helps a lot as well. And you can pretty much guess the meaning/reading by the kanji and okurigana alone. That still doesn't mean that both languages are free of exceptions that makes no sense whatsoever, so I don't know why you're defending English while shooting down Kanji when they're not even that hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042568
5 year olds might not know a lot of technical words but they know enough to talk about their day and things they like. being able to read even 3 letter words means they can recognize a lot of the words they use in their speech.

>How is it any better by knowing how to read it, but you don't even know what it means?
you're missing the point. when you were a little shit you knew what a cat was. when you learned what sounds letters make you were then able to look at the word c-a-t and recognize it as "cat." with moonrunes if you don't know how a word is written it doesn't matter if know the meaning or not, it's just a bunch of squiggles on a page.

[Anonymous No.]

>retarded whitewashed yankee corean dog whining in this thread about kanji
>mfw

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042579
>with moonrunes if you don't know how a word is written it doesn't matter if know the meaning or not
Okay I give up, you seriously don't know a jack shit about Japanese and yet you keep spewing shit, so why am I even arguing with you.

Protip: furigana. By the time these "kids" are into adult fiction, they've already gotten down the kanji required to read such material so what does it matter if they don't know how to read the kanji cat when it's all in hiragana anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042548
>>7042548
>>7042548
>>7042548
Nobody wants thes thread here, get them out please.

[Anonymous No.]

人間: NIN gen
一人: hito RI
外人: gai JIN
人前: HITO mae
人々: HITOBITO
直人: nao TO

kanji(yomikata) is fucking hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042589

>not learning kanji by compounds

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042578
Kanji doesn't do much for the language. Those complex characters only really serve to confuse. A general sense of reading can be introduced through a phonics of sorts in English. Even if you don't know how to say a word perfectly, you can sound it out and relate it to a word that you've heard before.

Kanji is a brick wall when reading. You see a sequence of strokes completely alien from anything you've seen before apart from the extremely vague radicals you might be able to make out. You can't even read it properly because almost all of Kanji has multiple readings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042594

Nope. Once you know the kanji, reading is super fast.

Also, it helps distinguish homophones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042594
Hilarious post. I agree that kanji are a mess, but in no way is it impossible.

To me you sound like one of those whiners who still can't read Japanese after 3-4 years of studying. Joke's on you, I know about 2300-2400 kanji and can read VNs with ease after one year of studious drilling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042594
OH GOD. PLEASE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042588
I point and laugh at you. No YOU don't want them here. Why don't you just admit it? Tool. Learn to ignore shit you don't have a interest in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042587
no, you're retarded. languages with alphabets don't need babby writing and adult writing. you just learn how to read and that's it. a child in a country with a modern writing system can read pretty much any word by second grade. japanee students are still learning their shitty chinese characters in high school.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042604
>languages with alphabets don't need babby writing and adult writing.
You're clearly a retard and have never gotten past high school, it seems.

>a child in a country with a modern writing system can read pretty much any word by second grade.
That doesn't guarantee that they'll understand it, now does it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042602
it's not impossible but it is archaic and stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042602
>2300-2400 kanji
>after one year

Either you have tons of free time on your hands and no life...
Or you are lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042612
>Either you have tons of free time on your hands and no life...
I go to uni, it's just that I literally spent all of my freetime immersing myself in Japanese. It paid off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042599
>2000 kanji for general use, multiple readings
>26 letters, general trends of pronunciation, even less trends that are more reasonable in Spanish
The spaces between words also helps tremendously.

I don't understand your "Nope." You act as if learning 2000 kanji (and correct stroke order) + hiragana and katakana is easier. Learning the 26 letters and combining them makes reading and writing easier. Even creatively it's easier to invent words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042612
>tons of free time on your hands and no life
On my /jp/?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042610
do you have downs or something? it should be obvious that people learn how to speak before they learn how to read. even before schools started teaching phonics alphabets had the advantage of being able to add new words to the language's lexicon. not using an alphabet at this point is like never inventing ironworking or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042612
Or maybe you're just tremendously stupid.
I got a job and I'm going at about 200-300 new Kanji a month. I could probably go faster yet if I put in a bit more effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042617
>Learning the 26 letters and combining them makes reading and writing easier

This is what people who don't understand Japanese truly believe...

Trust me, one or two characters for a single word reads so much faster. And like I mentioned, MOTHERFUCKING HOMOPHONES! Japanese sentences heavily depend on context. If you suddenly write everything in hiragana, with objects and subjects and shit left out of sentences, things can become very confusing fast. Kanji helps with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042625

It's not just about having a job/studying. It's about having a life with other interests besides otaku shit. Hell, I was going through Heisig at 50 kanji a day at one point, until I lost interest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042632
>having a life with other interests besides otaku shit
this isn't /soc/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042626
the homophone argument is fucking retarded.

배 can mean boat, stomach, or pear. do you think someone will really not be able to tell which meaning should be used in a sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042638

Go read some Japanese text all in hiragana, and then come back and tell me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042638
I like how you omitted the fact that having kanji will help you tell homophones apart much faster. And the point here is that while English might have homophones, Japanese has the 100x amoutn of that

P.S. Sup gook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042638
Why are you posting some moon language in here? This thread's about Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042626
Just so you know, I was arguing against myself. I was presenting an opinion I used to hold, while at the same time recognizing that differences are necessary and can sometimes be better.
Reading speed most definitely increases unless characters are printed too small and accuracy is sacrificed. Homonyms are avoided in writing. Writing in Kanji can be counterintuitive just as combining letters can. It's similar to the different classifications of language. No single language is always better. Some are better at certain things sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7038997
>>7042450

Is this the same book as in OP's pictures?

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?&ISBN=4770027516

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>>7042643
사과 can mean apple or apology. oh god how will you ever be able to tell which is which?

>>7042645
>No single language is always better.
actually most experts agree that hangul is a superior writing system compared to chinese characters

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>>7042664
Languages encompasses more than just the writing system.

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>>7042665
we're arguing about writing systems right now though. try and keep up.

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>>7042668
>try and keep up
>try to keep up
>a blessing in the skies
>doggy doggy world
>chicken with a bad haircut

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042664
Corean experts

[Anonymous No.]

corea bashing thread?

[Anonymous No.]

Written Korean is a pretty good example of kanji being a non-necessity. Grammar structure is basically identical, and much of the vocab for both languages are derived from the same kanji, but kanji is not used in day-to-day written Korean.

However, the big difference is that hangul (Korean alphabet) is much more expansive than kana, meaning there are more pronunciations beyond the "a, i, u, e, o" table. Obviously this means there is much less room for homophones in written Korean.

I guess flat pronunciations hinder Japanese from ever ditching kanji in day-to-day language. It's not impossible (what are those books called? The ones written completely in katakana), just that it would be a pain for a language restricted to kana "a, i, u, e, o" table.

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>>7042661
Why won't anyone answer my question?

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>>7042682
you could write japanese in hangul no problem. they're just too proud to ever do it.

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>>7042689
Probably because they have no reason to?

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>>7042689
You can write English in katakana too. Maybe we should switch over to katakana.

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>>7042689
That's a pretty retarded statement. Might it be that Japanese aren't Korean that they don't write using Korean writing?

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>>7042694
>>7042705
>>7042710
Just ignore the guy that has been fagging up this thread all along. It's pretty clear that he's mad at the fact that people don't pay attention to Korea as a language, so he needs to show up in these thread to vent his jealousy

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>>7042694
making it easier to learn how to read, being able to write native and domestic words with one script, and making it easier to write with computers isn't enough reason?

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>>7042713
native and foreign I mean

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>>7042713
Cultural reasons are more than enough to overwrite any of that bullshit. Believe it or not, kanji are deeply engraved into the society itself. Anyway go make your own korea thread if you want to pursuit this any further

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042710
why do vietnamese use the latin writing system? they aren't romans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042720
chinese characters were an important part of korean culture too. that didn't stop them from ditching them for a modern writing system.

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>>7042682
>I guess flat pronunciations hinder Japanese from ever ditching kanji in day-to-day language.

We have extremely flat pronunciation (finnish is 100% non-tonal) and I can't honestly see how that is a problem, complete opposite. Language is easier to trascript from speech to text that way. See pinyin: mess up one diacritic and your mother is suddenly a horse.

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>>7042723
Yeah, they did that at what, 1400? Would they be able to do it nowadays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042728
that's only 600 years ago. that's hardly anything compared to the time they were using chinese characters.

[Anonymous No.]

Korean dude: Yeah we get it, Hangul are a better writing system than Hanzi/Kanji, that still doesn't make korean better language than Japanese

actually I would never learn Korean because I have no interest in it so /shoo

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042734
did I ever say it was a better language? for the entire thread the only point I was arguing is that chinese characters are an archaic and stupid writing system.

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>>7042726
Definitely, there are advantages to non-tonal languages like you pointed out.
I also think it makes langauges like Japanese more "smooth" which is nice for songs and such. Also, it makes it easier for foreigners to pick up the spoken language. So it can be great!

When I said it hinders the Japanese, I was just pointing out that it makes kanji a necessity for them, not that it's necessarily a bad thing. Japanese is Japanese and Korean is Korean. I like my hangul the way it is and kana mixed with kanji is fine too. :)

I don't know what that other guy is ranting on about how "Japanese could just use hangul," but I think he is another troll posing as a Korean (what the hell is with this site? Sorry I'm a newfag) so you guys should ignore him.

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>>7042744
your zealous attitude would suggest otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

Hangul has been a failure since it ditched Chinese characters. Without tones, there is no way for them to differentiate homophones without context.

防水,放水,防守,防銹,傍受 are all pronounced the same in Korean. When they were building railroad ties, they mistook 防水 for 放水 and made 150 thousand ties with water absorbing material. They are still using them. Truly story.

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>>7042764
Can you tell more hangul horror stories?

[Anonymous No.]

God why do these threads always regress to a dicussion about why Kanji are terrible and should be removed from the Japanese writing system. Yes they're a bitch to learn but complaining here about it won't make the Japanese suddenly phase them out because the baka gaijin think it's too hard. Maybe you should actually try studying kanji before you dismiss them as something terrible. I managed to learn myself to write and memorize all the joyo kanji in 1,5 months by setting a 2-3 hours aside for them every day. I used RtK, which doesn't give you readings, but still learning the kanji with their general chinese meaning made it so much easier when I started studying grammar etc after that. Every kanji reading I learned would be rememered with great ease because I was already familiair with the kanji.

tl;dr stop bitching and put in some actual effort you lazy weeaboos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042744
Fun fact of the day: after China became communistic, they nearly abolished their writing system and adapted pinyin romanization of chinese.

Second fun fact: continental chinese learn what the characters are and how they are said with pinyin

Third fun fact: they type in computer with pinyin

Fourth fun fact: I dated a chinese girl who told that her hometown near shanghai has street signs in both pinyin and chinese characters.

It's just a matter of one-two generations before that whole pictogram is obsolete and replaced with phonetic script in mainland China. Even then I find it doubtful Japan would follow the example.

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>>7042768
you can learn to ride a unicycle if you put in enough effort. that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be retarded to ride a unicycle to work every day.

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>>7042612
I've learned myself 1200 kanji in 3 weeks by just setting 2 hours or so aside for study each day. If you want to come up with reasons why YOU can't do the same, be my guest, I'll be using the time to actually accomplish something.

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>>7042773
retarded analogies galore

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>>7042768
>God why do these threads always regress to a dicussion about why Kanji are terrible and should be removed from the Japanese writing system.
Once you realize it's the same one or two korean trolls shitting up these threads you'll learn to ignore them. That being said, this thread is now hidden.

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>>7042776
Why is it that half of the time when people on /jp/ "learn" kanji they don't know any of the compounds or on/kun readings? What do you do with these kanji you "learned" when you don't know any readings?

If you can't read what the fuck the kanji says how can you "learn" it?

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>>7042789
The readings come later. If you're familiair with every kanji and its general meaning it's going to be a lot easier to remember the readings. I've experienced it myself. The readings are pretty much instant memorization for those terms that relate to the meaning of the individual kanji and you'll be able to write them down flawlessly immediately. The goal of RtK is to pretty much turn you into a Chinese person trying to learn Japanese because Heisiger noticed that Chinese people have a much easier time learning Japanese because of the similarities in the writing system. I can understand you're skepticial, but there's a reason the method is immensely popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>that textbook
Nostalgia incoming

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042875
heisig is shit you cant learn anything with it. enjoy wasting your time to learn useless shit faggot. you will never learn shit like this(ry

[Anonymous No.]

The example of the homonym in the Hangul.

"burn" and "image(picture)"
"fraud" and "historical memoirs"
"parasol" and "mass production"
"powerless" and "military power"
"train" and "tank"
"madness" and "emission of light"
"arson" and "fire prevention"

As for these words, not only the pronunciation but also the notation is the same.

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>>7042905
w

[{BC} !nuoiqKGje. No.]

I didn't read the whole thread but I thought I'd contribute.
I've taken Latin, Ancient Greek and Japanese and I can tell you that Japanese is BY FAR the easiest. Pronunciation was never a problem for me and if I tried I could probably pass off as a native speaker accent wise. The verb structure I would say is actually quite beautiful and the grammar is perfectly logical. I have no idea why people find it difficult. American BTW...

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>>7042905
yesterday I read about wind storms but today I'll read about wind up toys

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>>7042914
>latin and ancient greek
are you trolling? comparing two dead languages with japanese. i seriously doubt you're literate, let alone fluent in any of those languages you mentioned let alone ancient greek. thanks for the input, anonymous. i'm sure now people will decide to learn japanese now instead of ancient greek since it's easier from your account.

[Anonymous No.]

>Make thread yesterday
>Open up today, wonder why it´s still open
>Coreans acting like retards

Oh boy.
We get it, Hangul is cool and all, but we´re borderline weeaboos so deal with it.
Fun fact, go into any Korean museum and there´s CHINESE EVERYWHERE

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>>7042772
>communistic
confirmed for illiterate faggot.
>continental chinese learn what the characters are and how they are said with pinyin
and Japanese learn Kanji with kana. In Taiwan, they use bopomofo. your point?
>they type in computer with pinyin
Well, I'd rather not have a keyboard with 8,000+ keys to type with.
>I dated a chinese girl who told that her hometown near shanghai has street signs in both pinyin and chinese characters.
cool misinterpretation bro. Do you think Chinese people would be reading the characters or the pinyin? If it wasn't for sucking up to foreigners like you for when you come visit, the pinyin won't even be there in the first place.

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>>7042940
Isn't Latin the official language of Vatican? It's important in pedo-culture, you know.

[{BC} !nuoiqKGje. No.]

>>7042940
Don't be a faggot, you know what I mean. I'm not literate in Greek, and just a little in Latin. The point is that if you think Japanese is "hard" you're a fucking idiot with a low IQ. Greek and Latin actually ARE hard.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語は簡単だよ馬鹿ども

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>>7042721
because French Colonial Empire. It's natural for a latin-using empire to enforce use of latin on its subjects. You know, if Japan was colonised by Russians, they'd be using Cyrillic too, like the Mongolians. If Korea was colonised by Africans, they'd use... oh wait

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>>7042772
>Fun fact of the day: after China became communistic, they nearly abolished their writing system and adapted pinyin romanization of chinese.

Japan tried to adapt romaji too after WWII, lol

>Second fun fact: continental chinese learn what the characters are and how they are said with pinyin

Pinyin are almost like the kana letters in japan now

>Third fun fact: they type in computer with pinyin

You type romaji when typing japanese and korean too, what´s your point.

>Fourth fun fact: I dated a chinese girl who told that her hometown near shanghai has street signs in both pinyin and chinese characters.

Shanghai is not China.

>It's just a matter of one-two generations before that whole pictogram is obsolete and replaced with phonetic script in mainland China. Even then I find it doubtful Japan would follow the example.

Kanji/Hanzi ARE NOT PICTOGRAMS
HIEROGLYPHS ARE

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A BOAT TO YOU?
船
DOES THIS LOOK LIKE ＡMAN TO YOU?
男(人)

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>>7042953
latin is easy. ancient greek is harder but I'd rather deal with aorist shit than having to lean fucking picture words.

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>>7042965
might I also add, the chinese characters used in vietnamese are retarded as fuck. As a Chinese, I think it's a good thing that they got rid of their chu-nom shit. Even the most basic of Vietnamese words take 15+ strokes to write. In Chinese, one two three is 一二三, but in vietnamese, "one" has 4 strokes, "two" has 7, and "three" has 7.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_numerals

Essentially, comparing the characters used by China and Japan and those used formerly in Vietnam is like comparing the difficulty of addition and integral calculus.

pic related, it's how you write the equivalent of "万歳" (banzai) in vietnamese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042960

そんな言い方用いれば、日本語の沢山理解しねぇぜ。

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>>7042953
Difficulty is one of the few things that is subject. You don't even know the languages, so why are you talking about what's difficult or not? If Japanese is so easy then why don't you already understand it retard?

All I'm getting is you're some hipster faggot who just wants to brag about knowing "difficult" languages. Fuck off, seriously. Go to >>>/int/ so they can also laugh at you too.

Yeah, Japanese sure is easy! Out of all the actual alive and spoken languages it's the most easy isn't it! Since you're bragging about how easy it is, then you must be a retard yourself. It's one of the more difficult ones to learn. Learn to write and read kanji, otherwise shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_thousand_years
>Chinese: 萬歲/万岁/wan sui
>Japanese: 万歳/banzai
>Vietnamese:

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042997
oh, for those running XP/Vista/mac, here's a screeny of what the runes should look like.

Thank god these faggots now use latin.

[{BC} !nuoiqKGje. No.]

>>7042972
Well yeah once you get into Latin a year or so it's not that bad, but Greek never gets easy. There's almost no regularity and you have to deal with the middle voice. Aorist is a fucking nightmare, there's less regularity within declensions than Latin, and the middle voice, although not that hard to understand, nevertheless adds another layer of complexion. Kanji at least make some sense. Once you understand the whole scheme of how their pronunciations function it's easy to get a self-learning system down, although retention can still be difficult.

>>7042991
What the fuck are you even rambling about? Go back and read my post. Also lol @ /lit/ knowing anything about Latin/Greek. If it ain't Richard Durrkins or Ayn Rand, they don't know it. Also, you really think Latin and Greek are "pretentious" languages? No really, are you fucking kidding?

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't mention /lit/ at all. You went off on a rather large tangent when I didn't even mention it too. I don't think Japanese is difficult and I don't think those shitty languages are either. I know you're a hipster faggot who just wanted to brag about the garbage you know. What are you using those languages for besides being a faggot on the internet? You're such a linguist expert you don't even completely know the languages, but you're bragging about how easy Japanese is and only retards think it's difficult. Sorry, but no one with intelligence would honestly say that. Out of all the languages you can choose, that are commonly spoken, it's one of the most difficult ones.

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>>7043033
Yeah ok, I read "/int/" as "/lit/", but they don't know shit about anything either. Also I'm pretty sure calling someone like me a "hipster" is a crime against every decent human on the planet, as my friends would attest, there's no one I enjoy making fun of more than hipsters, maybe women. In answering your question, I tried learning those languages to study (real) philosophy without translation. I can guaran-fucking-tee you that no hipster would learn another (dead) language too read anything requiring the use of their brain. And if they did, it'll be in English. Although I've never tried them, I would say German and Chinese, possibly Arabic would be the "hardest" modern languages.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.telnet7.net/articles/not_mine/cisc_risc.htm
Read this. And you'll understand why kanji are great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043082
Well, I guess, you actually do have a valid reason for learning them. Even so, it isn't "easy" enough that only retards should have a difficult time. I think you're forgetting about the other 99% of the other possible choices for a language you could learn. You're downplaying the difficulty too much. It obviously isn't rocket science, but it takes time to learn the kanji readings and compounds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_difficult_language_to_learn
>The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) of the US Department of State has compiled approximate learning expectations for a number of languages. Of the 63 languages analyzed, the five most difficult languages to reach proficiency in speaking and proficiency in reading (for native English speakers who already know other languages), requiring 88 weeks, are "Arabic, Cantonese, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean". The Foreign Service Institute considers Japanese to be the most difficult of this group.

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell is wrong with you guys saying kanji is the hard part and the rest of it is easy. I fucking WISH that were the case, because I'd be fucking fluent.

The hard part is learning all all the fucking GRAMMAR rules and weird ass vocabulary. Lots of that shit is very hard to understand without reading it over and over and/or asking questions about it.

After a year and a half of study (largely on and off). I'm decent and have read 2 VNs in Japanese. My vocab still blows, learning words is easy of course, it's just kind of painful, unless the word is fucking awesome, like 斬る or something.

Steps to remember kanji:
1. Find word in your reading material with kanji(s) you don't know.

2. Enter word into ANKI. Throw your "story" for remembering the fucker in the answer part along with the definition for the word (using radicals, or whatever the fuck you want).

3. Review that shit every motherfucking day for a month (usually it takes like 2 days, or instant, but some of them are bastards, like 末).

4. Shut the fuck up about kanji being hard to remember you ignorant nigger. You can easily learn 20+ per day, anyone can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043156
Not everyone is the same. Learning words, meaning and grammar comes very easily/naturally but assigning sounds to pictures isn't that "easily" done for me personal. It takes more time/practice compared to simply getting the above mentioned easily.

[{BC} !nuoiqKGje. No.]

>>7043126
Sure, the kanji are the hardest part, but grammatically it's a piece of cake, and thus speaking is easy and r&w are harder. I was angry at people saying it's hard to speak and pronounce which are it's most easily mastered parts, especially for English speakers. Kanji after a while get better because your brain begins to understand patterns in readings and usage; this is compared to Latin and Greek which have far more arbitrary and rocky grammar, and with Greek, pronunciation structures like accenting. A lot of rules in Japanese are like universal keys, once you know one, the rest come very easy. Latin and Greek, (really Greek) have totally different rules for this and that, this way here and different there. There's little symmetry and much technicality.

For example, I have known a kanji's pronunciation but not it's meaning, so when I read it together with the once next to it, I can determine the word. Conversely, I've known a kanji's meaning but not it's reading. So I say "well that means 'to take', so 'take' in Japanese is '取る', so that must be pronounced 'と'". Sometimes when you know neither, you can look at the radicals and make a guess based on the context, so really all-in-all it a "self-learning" type of thing you can use with kanji. Most people fail because they take such a rigid, strait-up approach to learning them and don't treat them like the organic things they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043082
Arabic hard? Please...

Oh wait maybe I don't find it hard cuz its my native tongue
نــــــــــيــــــــبــــــــون بـــــــــانـــــــزاي

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043188
One question: what's your level in Japanese and what have you read in Japanese?

One more thing: stop comparing contemporary language to dead languages. If you're going to do that, at least compare classical Japanese to them.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is English so fucking hard?

英語だって十分に難しいですよ……。

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043225
It is. I count myself lucky to have been born in a anglophone country.

[Anonymous No.]

ok let's talk in Nifongo!!

[{BC} !nuoiqKGje. No.]

>>7043208
Level-wise, I really don't know. There's what - 4 levels in the test, 4 being the most proficient? I'm probably a 2.5 or 3, not fluent, but "decent", my weakest point being vocabulary but my grammar is strong. By "reading" I assume you mean real books. I haven't read and "books" but I've read some manga and the occasional h-game, not really hard, I know. I've also done some translation work on hentai mangas, specifically, Maruta's Trouble Triangle in momohime, which I actually plan on posting again soon.

The only problem with comparing dead languages to contemporary ones in terms of learning them is the absence of native speakers, and thus any real stress on spoken mastery, only reading. You're also learning the language from a point of interpretation or abstraction rather than "living practicality", however, in the end there's no doubt that Lain and Greek are structurally more complex than Japanese. Dead or not, learning them is still more challenging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043239
>The only problem with comparing dead languages to contemporary ones in terms of learning them is the absence of native speakers
Another problem is that old languages are more "complex" and fucked up grammar-wise. So comparing their grammar to contemporary languages is pointless because grammar changes over time. English is a very good example of this. The reason why I brought up classical Japanese is because the fucking grammar doesn't make much sense. I'm glad Japanese is as easy as it is nowadays.

[{BC} !nuoiqKGje. No.]

>>7043225
lol "十分”　
what you mean to say is:
自分には日本語が難しいです。
even though "jibun" doesn't really work in that sentance

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043247
>十分 じゅうぶん
(adj-na,n,vs,adv) plenty; enough; sufficient; satisfactory; adequate; division into ten; perfectly; thoroughly; fully; in full

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043247
How can you say Japanese is easy and then fail this hard. Holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043247
lol

[{BC} !nuoiqKGje. No.]

>>7043249
oh so, "It's hard enough in English"
I thought you were trying to say what I last wrote. Weaboos in /jp/ trying to speak Japanese always making mistakes like that. I just assumed you mistook "jibun" for "juubun".

>>7043255
Oh shutup nigger, you know why I thought it was wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043259
how can you mistake that? the sentence is so simple I can't imagine someone making that kind of mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043259
The only thing we know now is that you're full of shit.
Nah, wait, I'm pretty sure most had already figured that one out.

[{BC} !nuoiqKGje. No.]

>>7043261
I don't know man, I just did. deal with it.
>>7043262
Oh boy you sure got me, I guess the jig is up HURR DURR

[Anonymous No.]

Take this to >>>/lang/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043225
Doesn't what that guys saying translate to something like: English is plenty difficult. Is this guy >>7043259 on a trip? Can someone else verify, please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043259
Is this supposed to be your second guess at "translating"?
Are you perhaps working on the flyable heart project?
Hoh boy, it all makes sense now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043276
Well the fact that he's wearing a trip and bragging with his Japanese skills should make it clear that he outright sucks as can be witnessed by his "translation" of a simple sentence

[Anonymous No.]

>>7043276
it's English is difficult enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>7042943
You people were arguing about whether or not kanji is worthwhile, so I gave an example of a language that is very similar to Japanese but manages to get by without kanji.
>>7042751
>>7042682
I don't see how you looked at my posts and determined that I was acting "retarded" or "trying to look cool" but I could careless what the weeaboo thinks about my country, if that's what you were implying.
By the way, there is a fucking troll in here pretending to be Korean or something and I'm not him.

You're only taking from my posts what you want to see, and it's fine if you want to take an honest contribution to the thread and shit all over it.
I'm used to weeaboos thinking he is the last samurai out of the convenience that he likes anime and sushi.

You can act like 嫌韓厨 all you want but it won't make you any closer to Japanese, lol.

[Anonymous No.]

Grammar is the hardest part of Japanese.
Remembering how to write characters is the hardest part of Chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7044141
>You can act like 嫌韓厨 all you want but it won't make you any closer to Japanese, lol.
Don't really think it's that. People just find it fucking annoying whenever a Japanese language thread is started either Koreans (or trolls) people swarm in to parrot their usual bullshit as can be seen from this thread alone. This is why these threads should go to /lang/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7044304
Well aside from me, I only see one other guy, and to me it's really obvious that he is trolling.
The guy keeps spouting shit like "Japanese can just use hangul" and "kanji is inferior." Isn't that obvious enough?

OK, it's great that some of you took his bait but will you stop being so conscious of my country?
I always see trolls like that 'kimchi' guy pretending to be Korean and trying to put my country down. If you're gonna be weeaboos, just enjoy yourself and stop involving Korea in every fucking topic just because some troll starts shitting up a thread.

It's getting almost as stalker status as the Japanese 極右翼 garbage that plague YouTube if you know what I mean... Hurr durr spend every waking moment of life putting down Korea on the internet, all the while they can't stop thinking about us. 意識しすぎ

[Anonymous No.]

>>7044529
is it trolling when it's true? isn't assuming that someone criticizing japan must be korean even more weeaboo than obsessing over kanji in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7045263
Does not compute. Did you even read my post?

>is it trolling when it's true?

When what's true? Are you that guy trying to say Japanese should just use hangul and that kanji is inferior? If so, just fucking stop.
How much free time do you have to waste energy typing up that garbage? Then again, this is /jp/

No Korean thinks that hangul should be used in Japan, this is a ridiculous. Also, don't get any misunderstandings. Kanji still holds significance in Korea, it is NOT inferior.
It is still taught in schools and students take 能力試験 for kanji. Just because it was ditched in day-to-day writing does not mean it is not part of our language and common knowledge.

>isn't assuming that someone criticizing japan must be korean even more weeaboo than obsessing over kanji in the first place?

I don't know what point you're trying to make.
I agree that, both of those actions are very weeaboo.
I am not accusing anyone of being Korean. On the contrary, it looks to me that the 1 guy trolling this thread (you?) is some loser pretending to be Korean in his sad attempts at making Koreans look bad. Just stop being so conscious of my country because Korean netizens have 0 interest in the likes of you. This is a 1 sided relationship.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do Koreans need to stir up so much ethnic drama and whining everywhere they go? Seriously, you're like the Jews of East Asia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7045471
>Koreans
Actually, this is 1 troll posing as a Korean, and many weeaboos letting themselves get caught in the bait.
Don't get butthurt just because I'm pointing out the obvious. If you don't like my country, stop being so conscious and just look away. If you cannot do this, you are just being tsundere for us.

Why are weeaboos so easily trolled and simple-minded as to play last samurai out of the convenience he likes anime and sushi?
^
Herp derp I can generalize too faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

See? This is exactly what I'm talking about:

>>7045544

[Anonymous No.]

>>7045571
herp derp
>Non-Korean posing as Korean starts to troll thread
>Weaboos get baited
>Usual shitstorm erupts
>Blame Korean for said shitstorm

[Anonymous No.]

>>7045633
>trolls troll
>people get trolled
>/jp/ is shit
>nothing is new or even remotely remarkable about this situation

[Anonymous No.]

>>7045659
just another shitty day in /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7045633
>>7045659
>green text
>green text
>green text
>green text
>green text
hi /b/ xD

[Anonymous No.]

>>7045703
>ironic shitposting
>back to /b/
fuck off to >>>/jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7045710
GO TO BED!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7045444
it is inferior. the koreans invented a new script because chinese characters suck. best korea doesn't use them at all. even the chinese simplified their shit. the only one who still use traditional chinese characters are taiwan and japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7045762
>best korea
Obvious troll is obvious.
You know it's not cute if you're only tsuntsun all the time.

For the record, many of the kanji that Japanese use are simplified characters, not traditional.