Since Rinno can't use danmaku or spellcards, how does he prevent himself from getting eaten by youkai? Pic possibly related.

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Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:43:23 2011 No.7026775 [Reply] [Original]

Since Rinno can't use danmaku or spellcards, how does he prevent himself from getting eaten by youkai?

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>>	HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Feb 28 20:47:23 2011 No.7026802 File: 114 KB, 699x1104, rinnosukenagato.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The guy found the Kusanagi - and threw it away. Either he's incredibly dumb or incredibly badass. Choose for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:47:44 2011 No.7026796 He is simply not attacked because everybody loves Rinnosuke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:51:23 2011 No.7026826 File: 1.22 MB, 1350x1125, 1297100829346.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] generally the only youkai that eat people any more are the young and stupid ones, and you'd have to be even dumber than them to actually get eaten.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:51:23 2011 No.7026829 You hit the nail on the head, Rinnosuke has other ways of making bullets.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:52:23 2011 No.7026836
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>>7026802
I don't remember him throwing away Kusanagi.

and Rinnousuke is half-youkai to begin with, so either youkai are not cannibalistic, or don't think he'd make a very good meal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:53:23 2011 No.7026842 But he is half youkai himself. Just with ability that doesn't help him in combat. I wouldn't be suprised if he was able to fly and danmaku too.

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Feb 28 20:55:23 2011 No.7026853
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>>7026836

True, maybe he didn't throw it away personally. It just happened to be in his trash.

Forgot for a second we were taking about Gensokyo. My bad.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:58:23 2011 No.7026873

>>7026853
He didn't just find it in his trash, he actively deceived Marisa into giving it to him, since SHE had it in her trash (though she doesn't see all that scrap as trash).

Its not even all that surprising either, the blade pretty much passed into lore so naturally it'd drop into Gensokyo, and Marisa being a veritable crow, decided to add it to her metal things collection, unaware of any stories surrounding it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:00:23 2011 No.7026885 It seems like Mystia would see him walking around and just eat him. Unless youkai aren't immensely physically stronger than non-magical humans?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:02:23 2011 No.7026895 >>7026885 this is why you don't go out at night.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:03:23 2011 No.7026898 >>7026895 and ESPECIALLY don't walk the 'road where humans disappear' at night.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:05:23 2011 No.7026904 >>7026802 >Either he's incredibly dumb or incredibly badass. He built Marisa's hakkero, so I'm going with #2.

>>	Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y Mon Feb 28 21:05:23 2011 No.7026908 by offering sexual services to them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:05:23 2011 No.7026910 He just chews those bullets and spits them back out. That is how manly he is. No need for spell cards or physical power when you drink MEN'S BEER

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:08:23 2011 No.7026919
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Holy shit, someone actually made a Rinnosuke thread? I gotta keep this going...

Honestly, I think that it would be troublesome for everyone if he was eaten, I mean hell, who else is going to open a shop you can steal from? Just sayin..

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:11:23 2011 No.7026935 File: 385 KB, 400x1174, SexyBeam.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] He has a few tricks up his sleeve. Or wherever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:11:23 2011 No.7026936 >>7026919 Steal useless things that no one but Yukari would know how to use. He's not exactly an important character

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:11:23 2011 No.7026941 File: 100 KB, 600x700, touhou-02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I bet he hardly ever goes out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:12:23 2011 No.7026949 I say it's a mixture of rarely going out, half-youkai strength, and common sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:13:23 2011 No.7026957 File: 256 KB, 750x625, f8edf06b4f4300d0f355a429afb791d7.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'd assume he's under the protection of...probably everyone, including Yukari. You can't just go around killing the only sexable man in Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:17:23 2011 No.7026978 Rinnousuke can probably defend himself well enough. Reimu and Marisa would kill whatever killed him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:21:23 2011 No.7027004 For all we know, he could have some kind of artifacts that can defeat even Yukari without putting in any effort. We may never know.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:24:23 2011 No.7027014

He's better connected than he wants us to think. Got all kinds of organized crime watching his ass from the other side of the border. They give him the goods, and every once in a while a girl of little or no significance disappears. Nobody likes to talk about it. People keep quiet, look the other way, and keep their dirty habits to themselves. Rinnosuke might be one man, but he's one man holding back a world of shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:26:23 2011 No.7027022 File: 367 KB, 1000x672, Rinnosuke-miko.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] All the main cast think he can't fight because they never saw his fighting days. Maybe Akyu should give Reimu her ancestor's records?

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:28:23 2011 No.7027037

I'm sort of for the karma aspect, he isn't messing around with anyone, so why should anyone really mess with him. He's half-youkai so I don't see why youkai would want to eat him really. He also crafted Marisa's mini-hakkero so I'd expect he knows a thing or to in magic.

Though things like the fiasco with the fairy in his attic would indicate he's not too terribly bright, or able to fend for himself, but Reimu retty much proves that she and at least Marisa would protect him to an extent, Reimu for some unknown reason, and Marisa because they've known eachother for quite a while.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:33:23 2011 No.7027063

I really wonder what type of youkai he is "half" of. It seems to basically give him the identify spell vision. But what the hell would have that? I'd imagine it be useful for youkai that horde, but the creatures that strikes me most as hording are dragons. Huh, maybe Kourin is half-dragon. He certainly hordes a lot of crap.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:37:23 2011 No.7027089 >>7027063 Or mebbe he's half-ceiling monster. Because if anything's associated with a bunch of crap you keep even though you have no idea where it came from or what it's for, it's the attic (which is where ceiling monsters dwell).

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:43:23 2011 No.7027112 >>7027089 If Kourin were half-ceiling monster you'd expect him to have more of an idea on what is going on in his attic when a fairy squatted there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:53:23 2011 No.7027164 In all seriousness, I'm sure he can defend himself perfectly well. Half-youkai should give him more than a degree of innate supernatural power, and aren't spellcards fully usable by ordinary humans as well?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:54:23 2011 No.7027172 >>7027037 >fiasco with the fairy in his attic What

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:57:23 2011 No.7027180

>>7027172
At some point, a fairy decided to make its self comfy in his atic since he doesnt take care of it and mold grew there. Said fairy had a affect on the local weather so it was pretty much pouring rain right on top of his house but not even 20 feet away its sunny as ever, in his silly ways, mistakes this for some sign that Kusanagi accepted him as the bearer and he was supposed to become ruler of...something. Enter Reimu who pretty much clears that up and evicts the problem fairy.

Or you could just run over and read Curiosities of Lotus Asia

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:04:23 2011 No.7027212 >>7027180 CoLA is incomprehensible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:04:23 2011 No.7027213 File: 449 KB, 850x1200, 1288974676718.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7027180 I will and you are wonderful. Have a mildly relevant single page apparently by Bococho or something.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:05:23 2011 No.7027215

He keeps a range of different firearms that slipped past the boundary, possibly even some kind of armored vehicle hidden. I doubt that even the strongest youkai could defend against 25mm shots fired at 225 rounds per minute from a Bushmaster autocannon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:07:23 2011 No.7027221 >>7026826 PREDATORY OLDER RUMIA IS WHAT I DREAM ABOUT WHEN I WONDER THE WOODS AT 2AM.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:08:23 2011 No.7027224

>>7027212
I don't know, I could understand them pretty well, hence things like that summary I gave. I don't know for sure if you can't really get it because of possibly poor translation, or that there are some references/circumstances that have a requisite previous knowledge of to fully understand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:08:23 2011 No.7027225 >>7027215 Rinnosuke can't figure out how to use an iPod.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:08:23 2011 No.7027226

>>7026885

Mystia doesn't even eat humans, she likes to make them night blind with her singing and lure them to her eel stand so she can sell her blindness curing food, it is Rumia you have to worry about, but she is kinda of dumb and gets lost even on her own darkness.

>>7027063

I always thought he was half human-half youkai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:09:23 2011 No.7027228 >>7027224 I blame the translation. I'm sure in the original Japanese it flows a lot better and the oblique references make more sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:10:23 2011 No.7027232 >>7027226 He is. the question is what sort of youkai is he half of.

>>	TOUHOU CONTROL !!/H3Qt/hLf9j Mon Feb 28 22:10:23 2011 No.7027233 TOUHOU THREAD! I approve of this thread in all its manliness

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:10:23 2011 No.7027235 >>7027233 Get out of here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:11:23 2011 No.7027240 >>7027215 You know, I remember a picture with a couple of Touhous playing around/sitting on an overgrown APC. I didn't save it and I can't find it again.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:17:23 2011 No.7027264

>>7027215

You won't even need to be that extreme, a well placed shot from small arms or rapid fire would stop the average youkai dead on their tracks, but for higher youkais like Yuuka and Yukari anything less than a air dropped JDAM is suicide.

But of course fight suck youkai like Yukari is either becuase you're really stupid to attack them or you are messing things badly enough to draw their attention.

>>	Rinnosuke@Kourindou Mon Feb 28 22:17:23 2011 No.7027268 File: 207 KB, 473x640, 728119_02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hail to my Awesome

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:19:23 2011 No.7027275 >>7027264 The "average youkai" is not susceptible to mundane attacks, this is well-established. You could fend off the lowest levels of them with firearms, sure, but for anything with a name of its own, it'd best be a gun with some history behind it.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:19:23 2011 No.7027277

>>7027213
Its kind of neat, Rinnousuke being a character of passiv knowledge and observation, generally playing role as a teacher of the more cerebral and even philosophical things, to the younger figures he often converses with.

One thing that mildly confuses me is why does Yukari decide to make a sort of trade bargain with him, if she has decently free access to the outside world, what use does she have for any of this stuff.

Another thing that bothers me, is that the chapter with the gameboy. His ability is described as being able to see something's name, but not how its used, so why is it that he doesn't see it as gameboy but somehow sees it as some horrific tool of remote destruction, which although incorrect, sounds more like a use than a name

unless the japanese name for gameboy was something far more evil sounding.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:27:23 2011 No.7027305

>>7027277
His power lets him know an item's purpose too. But it's vague/abstract/incomplete.

For Yukari.. that seems strange. Maybe she'd rather not spend time hunting for old items outside. No one knows how much time she spends out there or what she does, either. She might hate being in the outside world.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:27:23 2011 No.7027307
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>>7027275

AK-47, Colt Navy, Colt Peacemaker, Colt 1911, Remington700, Mossberg 500, M1 Garland, Mossin Nagant M44; 91/30, K98, Thompson M2, S&W .500, M82 Barret, DEAGLE BRAND DEAGLE !

If faith and perception of how things are can affect their actually performance in Gensoyko those guns listed would be more than enough to keep yourself relatively safe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:29:23 2011 No.7027318 >>7027307 Well, with that thinking, even a .22LR peashooter would be sufficient if you believed in it. Or an airsoft.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:30:23 2011 No.7027320

>>7027307
You know, in terms of psychology, just how much faith would even a soldier put into a gun if the enemy can fly, use flashy ordinance, and possibly look scary as fuck.

Though off the subject, I don't think we need another "guns can kill touhous, discuss".

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:30:23 2011 No.7027322 >>7027307 Public perception doesn't mean a thing. The specific gun itself has to have some history to it. Try to track down a grandfather's trophy Luger, something like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:33:23 2011 No.7027327 >>7027318 >>7027320 >>7027307 Gods require faith. Youkai need to exercise their ability to scare humans to survive. This should not be confused with a Discworldian faith-based reality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:35:23 2011 No.7027336 >>7027318 no, he's talking about the belief and faith of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, not your PERSONAL belief and faith.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:37:23 2011 No.7027342

>>7027307
They don't have histories in gensokyo

If you think about it, When Rinnousuke obtained Kusanagi, which was the eastern equivalent of freaking Excalibur, with TONS of history and legend surrounding it, he didnt suddenly turn into some roflstomping death god, which would indicate historical importance doesnt transfer worlds.

Also, those guns for the most part, went through a process thats pretty known to decrease spiritual significance, its called mass-production.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:38:23 2011 No.7027348

>>7027322
>>7027322
>The specific gun itself has to have some history to it.

That's actually an angle I've filed away for later use in a CYOA - the gun has to be one that millions of people have an overhyped belief in, but also have some kind of personal history as well. A cross between the faith power and ye olde schoole named artifact weapon, basically.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:39:23 2011 No.7027352

>>7027342
continued, if you look at lore, and how most common objects can obtain a soul after its 100th year of existence, common objects dont these days because of the processes that were used to make them, and that they don't even generally last until their 100th year anyways

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:40:23 2011 No.7027358 >>7027348 CYOA?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:42:23 2011 No.7027371 I don't think Rinnosuke has any guns anyway.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:44:23 2011 No.7027375

>>7027352

>THINGS WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF EVERYTHING WAS MADE BY HAND IN SMALL WORKSHOPS BY CRAFTSMEN AND WERE PRICED EXTRAVAGANTLY SO ONLY THE NOBILITY COULD AFFORD ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF WOODEN FURNITURE

Fuck off, Luddites. Technology is here to stay, and considering the development rate and the majority of mankind's belief that SCIENCE! can accomplish anything, youkai are fucked.

DEAL WITH IT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:44:23 2011 No.7027376 >>7027342 Well if there's a gun that people know about, but very little exist of, there's the Pancor Jackhammer. How would that perform in Gensokyo?

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:45:23 2011 No.7027378

>>7027342

Uh, did he actually PICK IT UP AND USE IT? Fun fact, you leave a weapon rusting in a pile of scrap metal, and it doesn't do jack fucking shit. That applies to ordinary real-world weapons as well as any mythical ones.

Of course faith can penetrate the border; after all, people can just walk on through the fucking thing in some places. Though I like the requirement that a weapon have "history," just any gun that call-of-duty faggots think is SO KEWL is really weak. It could also serve as a replacement/substitute for the fact said weapons were originally mass-produced. Heroic use by a notable soldier/lawman would take the place of being made by a renowned smith.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:46:23 2011 No.7027385 >>7027375 Don't make bad posts

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:47:23 2011 No.7027386 >>7027371 He canonically has a gunbrella in his store. Third chapter of Inaba

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:47:23 2011 No.7027391 >>7027375 I never even said that it was a bad thing, its just a point in that objects today have less spiritual significance, jesus...no need to blow you top over something so simple >>7027376 If you could elaborate, that'd be nice.

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>>7027352
>don't even generally last till their 100th year anyways

Except for guns, which, you know, are both extremely durable (they have to contain exploding powder) and are well-cared for as valuable, expensive items. Pic related, the S&W Model 10 Military and Police revolver entered production in 1890 or so, and you can find ones in firing condition over 100 years old.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:49:23 2011 No.7027400

>>7027375
Mankind's belief in science doesn't change a goddamn thing. It's pretty clearly laid out that ancient superstitions about tools containing gods are what power the Touhou universe, not just belief in whatever you happen to be holding at the time.

If belief worked in Gensokyo the way you guys seem to think it does, then we could just send The Amazing Randi in to single-handedly conquer it with the power of disbelief. Which would be stupid.

>>7027352
>>7027342
You're right, for the most part. Mass-production cheapens the spiritual value of a weapon. The care that goes into the manufacture of a thing helps instill it with power, as is the spiritual energy built up in a tool by long-term use. But picking up Kusanagi doesn't turn Rinnosuke into a death god because a) he's not much of a fighter and b) he has no reason to actually fight anyone.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:49:23 2011 No.7027401

>>7027378
The people that wander into gensokyo are people that have very little connection to the outside to begin with, not exactly proof that history can transfer.

Not to mention, a lot of the mentioned guns are still in use today, so you won't be seeing too many of them in Gensokyo for a while.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:50:23 2011 No.7027402

>>7027375

Sorry dude but I fail to see how he implies mass production is bad.

His statement was around the objects history, sure you can find a 1939 built 1911 if you look for one in the market, but finding one that served as a sidearm in WWII or Korea war is another thing.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:51:23 2011 No.7027406

>>7027391
The Pancor Jackhammer is an automatic shotgun with a futuristic look that shows up in a fuckton of videogames.

It never entered production for use by any country and only 2 or 3 prototypes were ever made. The company that patented it apparently went bankrupt and had to sell the patent. So yeah they exist in a very minimal number.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:53:23 2011 No.7027414 >>7027406 Well then it has not real history, sure people know about it, but it never really DO anything aside from look neat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:54:23 2011 No.7027416 >>7027414 DID anything*

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:55:23 2011 No.7027417

>>7027406
The fact that they were never actually used for anything ever kinda works against them, but then their status as a mythical icon combined with their rarity kinda works for them. I dunno, get one of the prototypes, buy a ticket to Japan, and tell us how well it works on Cirno.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:56:23 2011 No.7027423

>Heroic use by a notable soldier/lawman would take the place of being made by a renowned smith.
>Heroic use by a notable soldier/lawman would take the place of being made by a renowned smith.
>Heroic use by a notable soldier/lawman would take the place of being made by a renowned smith.

I agree with this so much. There is room for latter-day legendary weapons.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:59:23 2011 No.7027432

>>7027375
>SCIENCE! can accomplish anything, youkai are fucked.

Though at the risk of replying to a poorly made post.

The way I see it, the further we advance in science/technology, the HARDER it would be to enter gensokyo, since we're straying further from spiritual roots (i dont mean this in any negative way), and become more entrenched in reality (even if distracted more by things like cartoons, etc.)

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:00:23 2011 No.7027436

Mhm, with that in mind, I should probably keep the scimitar that has been a family artifact for close to 4 centuries at arm's length. It could come in handy when the portal eventually opens

My ancestor was a member of a band of rebels during the Ottoman occupation and according to his old diary, his name was feared by the enemy and they would turn around and run away when their warcries were heard. The scimitar itself was nicknamed "The Red Blade", since it was usually covered in blood and had a wild reputation in the places the rebels operated. According to the diary entries, it should have killed over 100 enemy soldiers.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:00:23 2011 No.7027440
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>>7027401
>not exactly proof

So fucking what? We're discussing a fantasy land invented by a drunk programmer with a hat fetish who has made canon a loli who constructs pseudomagical TANKS to bring into combat, among other crazy shit. Who gives a fuck about CANON JUSTIFICATION? This isn't a canon argument. Canon has jack shit to say about the matter either way. What we ARE doing is discussing thematically-appropriate ways in which firearms from the Outside could have status as dangerous and viable weapons inside Gensyoko, which in turn leads us to apply the characteristics of mythical legendary weapons:

-- Created by magical beings noted for craftsmanship (dwarves, gnomes, kappa, Wayland Smith, etc) and often bequeathed as a gift when the hero seeks supernatural aid (lady in the lake, etc.) In the case of firearms, the role of a "legendary creator" can easily be filled by the weapon designer, who are quite often legendary figures themselves (John Moses Browning, for example,) and the particular weapon could be his first prototype, or first off the production line.

-- Wielded in fierce combat by a great hero. Often the weapon will not serve a lesser man, or merely be unusable by somebody without the skill to really exploit the weapon's potential. This step might augment or replace step #1, depending on how you want to spin it.

-- Often lost again, or retained until it is needed again.

Is that good enough?

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:01:23 2011 No.7027449

>>7027423
Though having a history of use could take place of its origin, its probably better if it had both, you know, to stack up on

though you say "heroic"...that brings into question whether or not anything in war is heroic, there is more heroism in saving people than killing them, and guns are made for killing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:02:23 2011 No.7027451 Rinnosuke is the only one in Gensokyo with a penis. That pretty much guarantees 24/7 protection by Sanae.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:03:23 2011 No.7027457

>>7027436
You should be fine. Give me your address so I can take shelter with you when the youkai come for us.

>>7027432
The way I see it, the Gensokyo border is still there, and it hasn't changed. If we ever forget our ghost stories entirely, it'll still be there, and it'll still be permeable. I mean, in Touhou, the supernatural would seem to exist even without humans' acknowledgment. Gensokyo isn't entirely special. It doesn't have its own laws of nature.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:04:23 2011 No.7027458 >>7027440 The second half of that post is quite well structured, but could have done without the direct attacking of the first half.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:05:23 2011 No.7027462

>Not to mention, a lot of the mentioned guns are still in use today, so you won't be seeing too many of them in Gensokyo for a while.

Not this shit again. It makes absolutely no goddamn sense. When Gensokyo was created, everything in it was contemporary, wasn't it? I treat everything Rinnosuke says on the matter as outright speculation.

>>7027440
The entire point is to apply the idea of legendary weapons in such a way as to be consistent with the Touhou setting, and that means sifting through what exists in an attempt to find out what it actually is. Canon has everything to do with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:06:23 2011 No.7027464 >>7027457 Whether we forget in our ghost stories and whether we truely believe in them are separate things. Chances are science isn't going to get you in there, not if the residents can help it anyway, including misses border hax.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:07:23 2011 No.7027472

Lunar rabbits in SSiB seemed to be armed entirely with reverse-engineered IJA Type 99 Arisaka rifles. Obviously these rifles have only been in use since WWII. The anachronism could be an illustration of an incompetent military that is totally unprepared for actual combat--which is possible given that the moonbitches seem to view training as a playful diversion--or it means that a history of only a few decades is sufficient to hurt the average youkai.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:08:23 2011 No.7027474
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>>7027449

Alvin: Well I'm as much agin' killin' as ever, sir. But it was this way, Colonel. When I started out, I felt just like you said, but when I hear them machine guns a-goin', and all them fellas are droppin' around me... I figured them guns was killin' hundreds, maybe thousands, and there weren't nothin' anybody could do, but to stop them guns. And that's what I done.

"Do you mean to tell me that you did it to save lives?"

"Yes sir, that was why."

You just been told by Alvin York, son. Best pack it in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:08:23 2011 No.7027475 >>7027457 >You should be fine. Give me your address so I can take shelter with you when the youkai come for us. Sorry to dissapoint you, but I only have the name and artifacts of my ancestor, not his muscles or brain. Still, I'll try to do my best.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:09:23 2011 No.7027478

I remember reading that youkai were vulnerable to faith and holy objects and inscriptions.

So how effective, swords, bows & arrows and guns would be against youkai if you wrote sacred inscriptions or ditched them on holy water or get them blessed them by a higher monk/priest/holly figure ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:10:23 2011 No.7027483 >86 posts >No "Now listen up you magical little girls! Ya' see this? THIS! Is my boomstick!" /jp/, I am disappoint.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:11:23 2011 No.7027485

>>7027472
I was always under the impression that those rifles shot magic, so whatever.

>>7027475
Well, write up a dramatic speech in which you invoke the deeds and warrior spirit of your ancestor. Deliver it in front of the youkai hordes and I'm sure you'll be hackin' and whackin' and smackin' with the best of 'em.

I'll be stockpiling holy water in case the Rapture happens instead and we're stuck here with demons and whatnot.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:12:23 2011 No.7027486

>7027462

If I might borrow from PCB's prologue:
"Thanks to their magical culture, youkai could easily breach the barrier around Gensokyo. However, they chose not to do so; in fact, they strengthened the seal in order to prevent more humans from entering."

at the time that it was initially sealed off, the seal was weaker in some aspects then it is now.

Besides, although things were contemporary at that point, it doesn't mean whatever was in there didn't pass into the realm of legend then forgotten, there are stories of things like villages disappearing

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:12:23 2011 No.7027487 >>7027478 I thought that stuff only worked against Western demons.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:13:23 2011 No.7027492

>>7027462

No, canon does not, not as directly as you or anybody else is trying to imply. Gensyoko is a big mythology mashup, what flies in mythology is generally what flies in Gensoyoko. That's not exactly something you need to take a microscope to canon to confirm, is it? Looking at mythological weapons in, well, mythology seems to be more helpful then examining the meager information about the one or two legendary weapons used in Gensyoko, to my thinking.

Not that it matters, though. I was just trying to head off BUT BUT CANON DOESN'T SUPPORT THIS WITH THIRTY CROSS-REFERENCED EXAMPLES-style autism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:14:23 2011 No.7027493 >>7027483 >"Now listen up you magical little girls! Ya' see this? THIS! Is my boomstick!" >Next panel: "GIVE MY BACK MY LIMBS!!! NO!!!"

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:16:23 2011 No.7027499 >>7027492 Well, yeah, you have a point there. Does anyone else find the concept of Gensokyo-as-kitchen-sink disturbing as I do? The idea that whatever becomes unpopular or mythical in reality somehow winds up there in large quantities?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:17:23 2011 No.7027509 >>7027499 We need to start seeing some Greek gods in Gensokyo. Maybe a Bigfoot or two.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:17:23 2011 No.7027511 File: 35 KB, 600x332, THE COLT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7027478 THE COLT

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:18:23 2011 No.7027512 >>7027492 >using failure memes like autism as backup on his arguement. If thats what you insist on relying on, go to another board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:18:23 2011 No.7027514 >>7027499 Disturbing how?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:18:23 2011 No.7027515 He was eaten. He's just a ghost haunting an old shop.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:19:23 2011 No.7027517

>>7027487

Seeing how youkai are akin to western mythical creatures including demons I don't see why it couldn't work.

If some kanji with exorcism inscriptions can fend of youkai and oni, maybe you could enchant your weapon of choice to have the same thing.

I'd love to have a Dane axe with some holly runes on it though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:19:23 2011 No.7027518 >>7027499 >that whatever becomes unpopular or mythical in reality somehow winds up there in large quantities? It could be awesome, or very very bad. Zeppelins? AWESOME. Max Headroom? OHGODWHY

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:19:23 2011 No.7027519 I liked this thread better when it was about Rinnousuke rather than yet ANOTHER guns vs touhous flamefest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:21:23 2011 No.7027523 >>7027519 I think the discussion in this thread is pretty tame compared to other threads. And it's not a "firearm vs touhou" thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:24:23 2011 No.7027531 >>7027472 Those rifles have been around for centuries. It was Colonel Arisaka who was inspired to create his rifle design based off castaway Lunarian equipment he discovered, rusted in a field for centuries.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:25:23 2011 No.7027537

>>7027509
Oh god. Touhou 14. Gensokyo vs. Olympus.

>>7027519
The OP picture started it. And here I think we've had some actual discussion, although maybe it's just because more people seem to agree with me.

Hey, where is HelenXonpool? She seems to be more familiar with Asian mythology than most people here, I'm sure she might be able to shed some light on the issues here.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:25:23 2011 No.7027538

>>7027512
>implying autism is not a valid concern

... you do remember you're on /jp/, right? I've got two .PDFs on my hard drive detailing the "pro" and "con" arguments for the "Endor holocaust," which involve both sides noting that the proportions of Endor versus the Death Star were horribly wrong, if you stop and do the math - and then go right on to use those measurements from the screenshot to do orbital physics calculations without ever once stopping and saying "OH WAIT, THIS IS JUST A FUCKING MOVIE, THE CINEMATOGRAPHERS SACRIFICED PROPER SCALE TO MAKE GOOD SHOTS SO PERHAPS MAKING SWEEPING ARGUMENTS ABOUT GENOCIDE BASED ON TWO FRAMES OF THE FUCKING FILM IS STUPID." Even though the creators, Word Of God, have come right out and said as much. Over on stardestroyer.net, they have listed "denying the Endor holocaust" as a reason for permanently banning people, if that gives you an idea of how DEADLY SERIOUS they take this bullshit.

Autism exists. I've fucking SEEN it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:27:23 2011 No.7027546 >>7027519 Feel free to discuss him; he's the conduit through which these legendary weapons would flow. Rinnouske doesn't get enough love, considering that he's a more interesting chap then most in touhou.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:27:23 2011 No.7027548 >>7027546 What do you mean by that? Surely one doesn't have to be aware of a weapon's provenance in order to properly utilise it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:29:23 2011 No.7027554 >>7027548 wat?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:30:23 2011 No.7027559 >>7027554 I'm just wondering what >Feel free to discuss him; he's the conduit through which these legendary weapons would flow. means.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:30:23 2011 No.7027561 >>7027538 Why would you not want the extermination of the Ewoks?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:30:23 2011 No.7027562 >>7027538 So...I'm still not seeing how using it makes for a valid argument in this thread.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:30:23 2011 No.7027566

with someone like kourin around theres always the possibility for some kind of magitech character. like the mini-hakkero, he could turn anything he gets his hands on into some kind of weapon usable in spellcardbattles. just imagine someone using the kourinmodified gameboy for tetris danmaku

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:32:23 2011 No.7027573 >>7027566 too bad yukari jacked it, even if she hadn't, he was just going to smash it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:32:23 2011 No.7027574 File: 349 KB, 1060x1500, 018.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Back to Rinnosuke guys.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:33:23 2011 No.7027577

On that note, what weapons are known to exist in Touhou, anyway? There's the Sword of Hisou, Roukanken (youkai relic) and Hakurouken (Konpaku relic,) the Hakkero, the Jeweled Branch of Hourai, and all sorts of moon weapons, including valuable swords and that nuke-in-a-fan.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:33:23 2011 No.7027581
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>>7027559

Rinnouske is the primary mechanism through which things from the Outside come into Gensyoko, so "legendary firearms in Gensyoko" discussion should naturally include him.

>>7027562
>I'm still not seeing how using it makes for a valid argument in this thread.

In turn, this implies you don't think autistic unreasonable retards are present in strength on /jp/, which in turn makes you an idiot. How's THAT for an unsupported argument? Also, your waifu is fat.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:34:23 2011 No.7027584

>>7027562
It wasn't an argument. It was shorthand for "pointless behavior that obsesses over small details and totally fucking misses the point" or something like that, designed to save time since most people know what it's referring to, especially as he gave an example of it just prior to his use of the word, except no time was saved at all because somebody decided to make a big deal about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:37:23 2011 No.7027593 >>7027584 >>7027581 >>7027562 >>7027561 >>7027538 >>7027492 I suppose you guys are going to tell me this thread is still perfectly tame?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:41:23 2011 No.7027603 >>7027584 >except no time was saved at all because somebody decided to make a big deal about it. Thus nicely proving the whole "autism" thing.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:42:23 2011 No.7027609

>>7027593
>Even if the dialogue may be heated, in reality the girls are always perfect relaxed while fighting.
Or however it goes.

Now back to your regularly scheduled firearms. By the way, if Inaba is to believed, there are both umbrella shotguns and anti-personnel mines in Gensokyo.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:44:23 2011 No.7027615

>>7027593

The capslock/reaction image/sagefag ratio are remarkably low for a /jp/ thread, so yes. Of course, the only person causing any trouble, or saging, has been the one transparently trying to start an argument over semantics and then trying to go LOL I MAED THREAD SO MAD, when there isn't even any mad to point at, not even organically-grown MAD you might try and claim credit for.

You have just completely failed a troll attempt on /jp/, which is the most pathetic thing I've seen on 4chan in long time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:46:23 2011 No.7027623 >>7027609 Let us not forget guitars that turn into MACHINE GUNS. You can quite literally crank out a killer solo in Gensyoko.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:46:23 2011 No.7027624 >>7027615 Hey, hey, that's not thread-related discussion. Stop trying to inflame unrelated drama and let's all talk about guns and Touhous.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:46:23 2011 No.7027625 >>7026775 I know I'm not the only one who immediately thought of this song when they saw that pic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGmUsJvRv7U

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:47:23 2011 No.7027628 File: 126 KB, 1240x874, 11136538.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7027615 >talking about someone failing a troll attempt >attempting to troll

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:47:23 2011 No.7027629 File: 156 KB, 1360x920, ff8c67155e36259c0e4b4a91583e1fe8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7027615 FOCUS, PEOPLE FIREARMS Try pressing shift.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:49:23 2011 No.7027640 File: 50 KB, 664x500, 1275864793973.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7027625 YES YES, I DID TOO

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:50:23 2011 No.7027646
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Oh, and let's not forget that there's at least one person in Gensokyo with a steady supply of explosives. Quoth Sakuya,

>Your dolls are filled with gunpowder? That's hardcore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:58:23 2011 No.7027674 Are there any youkai that live in the outside world? I don't think that's ever been brought up in canon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:58:23 2011 No.7027676 >>7027625 >Big Iron But who is Gensokyo's equivalent of Texas Red? Reimu? Flandre?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:00:23 2011 No.7027684 with "The Rape™"

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:02:23 2011 No.7027695

>>7027674
Considering that they keep immigrating to Gensokyo, there must be a population of them outside. Remilia (although she may not count as a youkai proper) had to come from somewhere. I'm sure there are similar enclaves in other places, but canon is silent on the matter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:03:23 2011 No.7027698 >>7027676 The Scarlet Devil, naturally. Her, or Hong Meiling.

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:03:23 2011 No.7027701

>>7027277
I think it was a joke on how he mis-interpreted the various forms of mass destruction that occur in video games to actual instances of mass destruction.

>>7027538
Personally, I think the ban reason was originally there because there were plenty of troll posts about it and it got out of hand quickly, not that they were autistic kids. I don't know, but it's really irrelevant to the thread. Some idiot called another person autistic as an insult. Whoop de do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:12:23 2011 No.7027731 >>7027701 As I recall, his ability told him it was something like "the ability to create and destroy worlds on a whim." Ominous.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:06:23 2011 No.7028115 File: 136 KB, 600x849, 1288598850685.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7027731 >"the ability to create and destroy worlds on a whim." ... the on/off button. FANTASTIC. >mine visage

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:28:23 2011 No.7028176 File: 120 KB, 407x640, blamev2-059_gravitational-beam-emitter.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's a gun that could work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:43:23 2011 No.7028252 File: 43 KB, 425x600, 15959568_m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7028176 Rinnosuke already owns a superior gun. Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:45:23 2011 No.7028262 >>7028252 You misspelled MANouske

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Mar 1 02:46:23 2011 No.7028267 The stars are blue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:47:23 2011 No.7028273 File: 114 KB, 600x423, 15942856_m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7028262 My apologies. I'm ready to receive his full MANhood as punishment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 03:00:23 2011 No.7028322 >>7027014 THIS

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 06:55:20 2011 No.7028909 [DELETED]

>>7026957
Yes, but everybody is gay in Gensokyo and thus has no such interest in him, unless he is actually female.
He is just the nice uncle who runs the item shop without customers.

>>7026775

He has zero fighting capability according to CoLA, but he hasn't always been living alone. He was under the care of the Kirisame family for a long time and thus gets the same protection other villagers do.
Now he has no need to protect himself from youkai anymore and a bunch of influental people consider him a friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 06:59:20 2011 No.7028912 >>7027574 Back to you wherever you came from heterofag.

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