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Takumi can kill servants. Discuss.

>> No.6943815

I still have to beat this game, do you keep all your stats/money after you beat the game?

>> No.6943814

no shit dude, this is the son of sanger zonvolt we're talking about

>> No.6943821

Baby's first BMW.

>> No.6943817

>Takumi

Who?

>> No.6943820

>Make Type Moon fan game
>Based around super robot wars
>Guaranteed success!
>Add original characters
>Develop none of them
>Game crashes and burns

>> No.6943823

But can him drift in the 90's during a night of fire as the speed boy?

reported

>> No.6943826

>>6943815
>money

>> No.6943827

>>6943814

Sanger Zonvolt basically has the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception except he can cut everywhere and not just on the lines.

>> No.6943838
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>>6943817
The protagonist of Inital D.
Too bad I lost my Tsukuhime/Initial D crossover doujin.

>> No.6943860

>>6943826
I just want to know if you keep your shit.

>> No.6943863

>>6943860
Yes.
You also get refunded what you spent or at least a percentage of it I believe.

>> No.6943865

>>6943860
You get refunded most of the BP and FP you had/spent and keep all items.

>> No.6944003

>>6943810
Most broken character in BMW, seriously.
Heaven cleave was overpower as fuck and he also have both Awaken and that x2 damage ability (Focus? Can't remember the damn name right now)

Give him the Assasin card and watch him faceroll the entire map by himself...

Also, was Takumi an oni or something? Because I don't know many Youkai who could be stronger than motherfucking Herecles.

>> No.6944010

>>6944003
That's not Lancer/Shiki/Shiki/Bazett/Archer.
Though, he probably was one of the better Supers.

>> No.6944039

>>6944010
Nope. Arcueid is the strongest character in BMW hands down. But that's to be expected.

>> No.6944042

I did new game plus until I could max out all of my support characters' stats.

>> No.6944054

>>6944039
Not really, she had pretty shit tier move and accuracy like most supers.

>> No.6944104

>>6944039
I never spammed over 40k crit damage, 3 to 4 times in a row, on the same turn (Awaken is so broken it hurt) with Arc so nope.
>>6944010
I have to agree with you there, Lancer and Shiki was beyond god tier, that freaking evasion rate man.

>> No.6944110
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6944110

>>6944054
Nope, she is the strongest in terms of attack, defense and HP. And Marble Phantasm is the strongest move in the game. She can even beat bosses on her own. Not to mention that most of the times her enemies won't even scratch her thanks to her auto-counter.

She is considered the best BMW character. Just check the BMW forum.

>> No.6944139

>>6944104
>I never spammed over 40k crit damage

That's obviously because you never bottered to power her up. She is by far the strongest in terms attack power.

>> No.6944242

>>6944139
You kinda right about me never powering Arc up, but then again, every character stats are maxed at 400 so even if her Marble phantasm do 200 or 300 more base damage than Heaven cleave, in the end, you still have to wait a whole turn just to be able use it.

Also, she doesn't have Awaken so she cannot spam like Takumi do. She could always use Len's version of Awaken to try but Takumi could also use that very same move to spam EVEN more.

Oh well, that's just like my opinion and it's not like there a bad way to play the game or anything.

>> No.6944278

>>6944242
>it's not like there a bad way to play the game
Buff Hisui. Mop everything.

>> No.6944299

>>6944278
That's actually sound awesome.
Brb, mopping some Gilgamesh on the floor.

>> No.6944379

>>6944278
I did this with all of the maids and Len. It's great.

>> No.6944398

>>6944110
Who is this girl?
Is it arcueid?

>> No.6944420

>>6944398
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fRPMBatSSc&#t=93

>> No.6944545

I played the Super route up until a fight with Berserker then turned it off to go have dinner and just kinda never started it up again.

I'd probably have my ass handed to me if I tried now since I'd have no fucking idea how to play.

>> No.6944591

I'd play this game if it didn't have original characters

>> No.6944595

>>6944591
Every SRW game has original characters, so BMW does as well.

>> No.6944649

>>6944591
Oh no, four whole original characters, one of which doesn't show up until 75% into the game and the other is in a single battle. Those bastards.

>> No.6944685

>>6944398 here
>>6944110
I see ,so it's her ultimate power mode? where even shiki can't hurt her. Does she ever appear like this in the game?

>> No.6944689

>>6944685

shit, what I meant was is she like this in the tsukihime VN?

>> No.6944707

>>6944689
She goes into rage mode at one point, but not with her white dress on. You only see her wearing that in flashbacks

>> No.6944726

>>6944707
Oh. Does it have to do with fashion or does the dress and long hair signify something? Like an increase in strength?

>> No.6944739

>>6944726
Her hair was long before Altrouge cut it off in a fight or something.

>> No.6944744

>>6944726
she's very old, tsukihime happens in the present so she wears modern clothes. she used the dress when she lived in the castle. at least that was my interpretation

>> No.6945687
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6945687

>>6944398
>>6944685
Did you even played Tsukihime and Kagetsu Tohya? That's Arcueid's original form, but since her hair was stolen by some DAA, it won't grow back until she recovers it. Also, she always wears that white dress except when in foreign countries, she is the white princess after all. Though she can only access that form temporarily as of yet.

>> No.6945917

Shirou is the best Super type by far.
He makes best use of the Prevail skill in the entire game, as he can somewhat take damage at first, only to get a 90% damage reduction while below 20% HP.

The thing with the prevail skill is also how it revs up the typical Real stats, among other things, far beyond that of actual Real types. Real types also can't make use of it as they die when they get hit.

But Shirou also has the third most powerful attacks in the game with Nine Lives.
But if one is to count in Sakura, then they have the potential for the greatest damage output in the entire game.

Or rather, Sakura does, as her damage output is greater. Sakura has the unique ability to halve the opponent's tough however, and she has long range and can also cover middle ground, and have suprisingly high damage on her normal attacks.
She also has the renew spirit, allowing these two characters to duke it out far longer than most others, especially considering how she regains both HP and MP by herself, allowing her to use everything to assist Shirou instead as she needs nothing herself.

The damage modifier from her Grail ability, combined with the combo attack with Shirou, makes the final attack damage exceed that of other combo attacks or Arcueid's super.
And if you include her abillity to halve the opponent's tough, then there is no doubt about it. And because she can assist others in their attacks, she can lower the tough of bosses and enemies without wasting her turn. And as Shirou can assist others with their defense, he can practically make others immortal while he grows stronger by standing next to them, and as he also has the cheapest spirit in taking care of afflictions in the entire game, he can also become immune to status effects without losing any SP.

>> No.6945930

>>6945917
Prevail also boosts the hell out of Crit Rate and Crit Damage I believe.
Though
>Real types also can't make use of it as they die when they get hit
You're doing it wrong if your Reals get hit.

>> No.6945932

>>6945917
>best
>require another character
lol

just like in FSN, shirou can't do shit on his own

>> No.6945933

>>6945917
>real types
>get hit
...

>shirou
>best super
>have to coordinate with another chara
no

>> No.6945937

>>6945917
This copypasta was destroyed before with points that showed how retarded it was to get Shirou up to that point among others. But I forget how it was destroyed.

>> No.6945940

>>6945930
>You're doing it wrong if your Reals get hit.
Yes I know. But the point was that because they don't, they can't gain any effects of something like prevail.

A super type with the effects of prevail 9 tropes Real types in terms of Real stats.
It basically only means that Real types can't use prevail to become better Reals.

>> No.6945944

>>6945940
Actually, giving them both support Defense and Prevail would allow them to do so as Support Defense lowers damage even more than a standard defend and if it activates is a guaranteed hit on the Support Defending unit. Though that's a bit of a waste of 2 skill slots.

>> No.6945948

>>6945932
>>6945933
He still can't die, becomes stronger while hit to the point of becoming better than real types in terms of real stats.
He gains guaranteed criticals and hit rate, and he still has the third most powerful attack in the game even without anything else.

He can easily be regarded as the best with just this. It is just that he also has further potential due to being part of a pair.

It's like saying that Kyousuke with the Alt-Eisen sucks because he has Excellen as a partner.
It is not a persuasive argument considering how much kick ass they posess in the games.

>> No.6945965

>>6945937
It was destroyed because to get Shirou that strong, you basically have to concentrate everything on him. Anyone who isn't a Shiroufag would never do that. And hence, Shirou just becomes an unused character. It takes massive pumping to get him that useful. And I'd rather have a balanced cast, but unfortunately, doing so leaves Shirou in the dust in comparison to other characters.

>> No.6945967

I don't need Prevail to kill my boss characters.
They just never hit my guys.

>> No.6945972
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>>6945917
>>6945937
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/5901936
Shiroufag getting told.

>> No.6945974

>>6945687
what is a DAA?

>> No.6945979

>>6945974
Dead Apostle Ancestor.

>> No.6945982

>>6945948
>He can easily be regarded as the best with just this

No, he still has considerably less HP and tough than Arcueid. While Nine Lives is still weaker than Marble Phantasm. Not to mention that she won't be even scratched most of the time thanks to her counter skill. Plus, Arcueid's True Ancestor innate skill is better than Indomitable, since it is always active, and increases her def, hit rate (which makes up for her lack of quick) and critical rate. Why would you need something like Indomitable when you have the best def in the game?

>> No.6945986

>>6945982
Why do you need either when you never get hit at all like any of the reals?

>> No.6945989
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6945989

He can kill servants. Discuss.

>> No.6946005

>>6945982
Arcueid isn't a Super.
Pro tip, she isn't a Real either.

She is one of those Hybrid types.

>> No.6946018

>>6945982
>Why would you need something like Indomitable when you have the best def in the game?
Simply because Indomitable kicks in later, and grants easy use of prevail.
The 90% damage reduction is also greater than Arcueid's def boost.
Full use of Prevail 9 is also greater than her True Ancestor innate skill. Then again, Arcueid can also have Prevail 9, but she isn't as likely to be running around with such low HP, due to her stats.
And yes, Arcueid's attackis stronger than Nine Lives, but not with much.
Then again see >>6946005

It is a disadvantage to not have a partner though, most other top tier have. Although she makes up for it by being better individually. Phantasmoon also doesn't count as it is seperate form.
But all the while she is strong and all, she doesn't have the greatest damage output, but she is pretty amazing as she is the best hybrid character.

>> No.6946029

>>6946018
>Indomitable kicks in later
I already wiped the mobs off the map before that skill even kick in.
And one more thing, why would I want to make everyone walk slowly together with shirou so that he can use def support? There is no taunt in BMW so that you can make the AI hit only Shirou.
What a retarded playstyle.

Takumi, Sacchin and Sabre are all superior as super type if you want to discard Arc as one.

>> No.6946035

>>6946018
If you don't take combo attacks into account. Then yes, she has the greatest damage output.

>> No.6946034

>>6946029
Actually, Bazett has a taunt spirit. But still your point stands.

>> No.6946041

I'm still annoyed they didn't let you keep Avenger and give you a Servant Doumeiken combo attack.

>> No.6946057

>>6946005
Wut? Arcueid appears much more in Takumi's route. Like with the fight against Berserker in Illya's castle. Of course she is a Super type.

>> No.6946064

>>6946057
By that logic, as Saber appears more in Haruka's route, she's a real.
Which she isn't. She's a hybrid.

>> No.6946072

>>6946064
But Arcueid is a power type like Takumi, Sacchin and Saber. What do you mean by hybrid?

>> No.6946076

>>6946072
He is trying to classify Arc as a non super type so that he can propagate his retarded Shirou is best super type opinion.

>> No.6946088

>>6946072
I meant that Saber was a hybrid
Supers rely on HP and Defense to deal with attacks and generally tend to have poor where as Reals rely on not getting hit and tend to have higher accuracy. Hybrids lie somewhere in between.
Power has nothing to do with Super or Real most of the time. Though Supers tend to have attacks with the highest power that more because of what units they are.
Like, you expect something like Mazinkaiser to be able to hit harder than the RX-78 for example.

>> No.6946112

>>6946088
What?
Real - evasion and hit
Super - tough and power
Takumi, Saber, Arc and Sacchin all have high tough and power and they have the magical 100%hit spirit which is the hallmark for all super type. Stop making up new class to justify your stupidity.

>> No.6946159

>>6946112
So then, how would you classify say Akiha then?
She has pretty poor hit,quick,tough and low power.

>> No.6946254

>>6946112
I am not >>6946088 but what I meant with >>6946005 was basically characters like Archer and Ciel.

Also, while not the most common, the concept of Hybrid characters as a third type together with Supers and Reals aren't all that uncommon within the SRW communities.

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Battle Moon Wars? More like the Ryougi/Tohno Shiki power hour.

>> No.6946342

>>6946254
But Arc isn't like Archer and Ciel. She has high str, def and HP and low accuracy/evasion like Super types.

>> No.6946384

>>6946342
True, so technically speaking she isn't one in a sense.
It is just however that although she have lower accuracy/evasion etc, those stats are still on par with many real types.
But yeah, that is more like an inflated Super, but she can still somewhat take on both roles.

>> No.6946414

>>6946322
I find it fucked up that these two can kill bosses without any help from anyone at all.

>> No.6946425

>>6946384
But she isn't exactly one of the fastest characters, since her quick is pretty average among Super types and definitely not on par with Real types. And her True Ancestor skill is the reason why her accuracy might be on par with Real types.

>> No.6946430

>>6946414
They aren't the only ones.
Also, everyone can if you give them points.

As a rule of thumb however, even though there are exceptions.
Original characters and protagonists are generally better somehow.

>> No.6946439

>>6946414
Depending on the boss Archer can just snipe them with his lol 11 range or whatever it was and not even be countered.

>> No.6946489
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6946489

Can Caster overcome her mid-boss status long enough to kill another servant?

Will she ever get a route?

>> No.6946510

>>6946430
Without the use of items, backup and equally spreading points out?

Nope.

>> No.6946530

>>6946510
The same applies to Ryougi and Tohno though.

>> No.6946538

>>6946489
>Can Caster overcome her mid-boss status long enough to kill another servant?
she defeats plenty in hollow ataraxia
>Will she ever get a route?
nope, because she's Souchirou's and there's literally zero affinity between her and Shirou

>> No.6946546

Check out my Hyper Weapon. Schwiiing.

>> No.6946558

>>6946414
Arc can also kill bosses without any help. With her 15000 HP, her defense, and additional evasion, she might be even better than a boss herself. Specially with her counter skill.

>> No.6946568

>>6946558
Counter doesn't really mean shit unless you're one shotting whatever it is doing the attacking. And you're not oneshotting any of the bosses after you get Arc unless you've pumped stats up to 400.

>> No.6946571

>>6946489
Technically speaking she could have easily killed Saber if she wanted to at like five different points in F/SN.

>> No.6946583
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6946583

It is fun to use Kaleido Ruby and use Focus in order to hit and use Valor or Soul to kill everything with her map attack after having used both Luck and Cheer.

Take down multiple enemies at once, and gain double everything. And level like never before.
Too bad the game was a bit low on map attacks.
But I guess it was good for balance.
I remember a certain Valsione and Cybuster.

>> No.6947384

>>6946583
The best cardgames are never localized.

>> No.6947522

I think Caren is underappreciated.
In my games she is always my main healer. Yeah, you might say that she sucks and I'm being stupid, but let's think about it.
-Her attack is the strongest compared to the rest of the healers.
-Her range is godly. She can easily kill the enemies that were left behind by damage-dealers and tanks rushing for the boss.
-She is hot.

*But she can't hit jackshit!
Because you suck. That's where you have to buff her or give her an item to make her the rape mistress.
*But she is slow as fuck!
No, she is not *slow*. If she is slow it's because you suck. Her movement can be solved by giving her an item, but her range already compensates for the lack of *speed*.
*But she isn't hot!
You have a shit taste and suck.

Caren is the best character in her own league and anybody who says otherwise is just plain wrong.

>> No.6947541

>>6946530
Dude, IF you equally spread your points and don't give backup to either Ryougi or Tohno, they'd still have the ability to kill bosses on their own.

>> No.6947666

>>6947541
If you equally spread out your points among your characters you are still giving them points.
If you do other characters with points given to them can still do it just as good.

They are really great characters but they aren't on top of some hill alone.

>> No.6947755

>>6947541
Though Arcueid is more badass. Because she can kill bosses on her own. She doesn't need a partner.

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