/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Do you ever think machine translation will develop enough that most eroge will be playable in English automatically?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6939397
No.
That's not how language[especially Japanese] work

[Anonymous No.]

no

[Anonymous No.]

They will be playable, but not enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.]

I think we would have Skynet before that happens.

[Anonymous No.]

Sure, once we have AI that can think like humans.

[Anonymous No.]

Google may work miracles on a daily basis but no, the complexities between two languages are likely beyond what AI can interpret.

[Anonymous No.]

Due to Japanese being very context-dependent and completely different from English, that would require an A.I. that is capable of understanding what the Japanese actually means, rather than just do plain pattern matching.
So, not in the next few years, no.

[Anonymous No.]

If you machine translate something from say, Spanish, the results are muuuuch better than when you do it in Japanese. We're a long way off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6939413
This. And that's a huge can of worms unto itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6939407
maybe sooner than you think
http://www-03.ibm.com/innovation/us/watson/what-is-watson/why-jeopardy.html

[Anonymous No.]

japanese may be context driven, but there are only a few contexts used on a normal basis, you would have to do two pattern matching passes, one for context and one for actual words to get the meaning. this is a big task that would require large databases to hold everything and lots of CPU to search them or we can just get the devs to include context in a translate friendly API :P

[Anonymous No.]

>>6940954
Talking about translate.google.com i think the cause for that is that there is more Spanish-English translation than Japanese-English translation. And google uses statistics from human translation for doing machine translation: more means better.

vc: these elitdom

[Anonymous No.]

>>6940973
Wow, that was really interesting. Thanks, anon.
Looks to be a step in the right direction...

[Anonymous No.]

The real reason for why we don't have reliable translation software is because moogy is sabotaging them. There will be no wank and internet intrigue if they ever get released.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6939413
Once we'd gotten to that stage, though, there wouldn't really be a need for eroge anymore.

I mean, why read stories about having sex with 2D girls when you can have one of your very own inside of your computer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941061
Well... I like the plot as well.

[Anonymous No.]

We probably weill , but ti will come with strong A.I. Good translations requires understanding the context of a section of text, and understanding the context of text requires all the metal baggage people pick up over the course of their lives. We will need A.I to translate text well.

[Anonymous No.]

Translate from any language to Lojban.
Translate from Lojban to any language.

Solve these 2 problems and we are done.

Read SICP

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941092
Except that literature isn't hindered by ambiguity as much as it depends on it.

[Ayashiro !Hime2512LA No.]

>>6941092
More like solve those two problems and now you have a third, much bigger problem.

[Anonymous No.]

A good half of the best eroge are translated already, with a good portion on the way. All that's left is a few isolated untranslated good games (I really don't understand why /jp/ fixates on them so much, it's not like they're that much better) and fuckloads and fuckloads of shitty games.
I could understand some years ago, but nowadays all the good shit gets translated, I don't even know what you're whining for.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941130
BETA as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941117
There's that game that's known as insurmountable wall of the eroge medium.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941099
>Implying Lojban can't be ambiguous
>Implying computers can't be programmed to be ambiguous
>Implying greentext

Read SICP

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941117
Untranslated stuff is automatically 65% better than translated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941130
>>6941136
>>6941306
Get out of /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6939411
This. It would be like pressing the vectorize button in Illustrator. Yeah, you get your image vectorized, but it's souless and literal and boring.

[Anonymous No.]

Get out flyable hearts devs

[Anonymous No.]

> Stop being a lazy fuck.
> Learn Japanese.
> No need for translators.
> ???
> PROFIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941429
In this base. Just start at it and you'll get there before you know it, as long as you actually do stuff in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

BUT I´M ACTUALLY LEARNING JAPANESE

[Anonymous No.]

Yes.
As soon as we start making any advances in AI at all this will be one of the simpler tasks to accomplish.

[Necrobrotent No.]

The translators don't translate the words they translate the meanings.

I mean we could all rewrite machine translations to make coherent sounding visual novels but we'd probably cut out a fuck ton of the Japanese cultural things and such the author threw in.

[Anonymous No.]

Automatically, probably not in the short term.

But in the next few years we'll probably end up with something good enough to reduce VN translation from months and years to a few days or weeks of editing/checking.

If you've ever tried Translation Aggregator you'll see that OCN/Honyaku already get ~75% or more correct.

And those claims that human translators somehow preserve the meaning better? Not if the machine has a more accurate dictionary. The human brain has been conjectured to be at most Touring-complete. In that case any other machine can do the same things it can do (although TC doesn't place any restrictions on the complexity of actually doing the computation.)

[Anonymous No.]

>And those claims that human translators somehow preserve the meaning better? Not if the machine has a more accurate dictionary.
Meaning does not only exist in the definitions of words.

[Anonymous No.]

Guess this is on topic.

What's the best way to learn hiragana / katakana, and afterwards, Kanji? I've heard the "Learning the Kanji" book is good, but does that explain grammar too?

[Anonymous No.]

>What's the best way to learn hiragana / katakana
If you need to waste time finding out best way to learn 100 or so symbols, forget it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941117
It's called being able to play whatever the fuck you want, whenever you want without translators' whims.

[Anonymous No.]

Not even direct translation is perfect...
Picture Related

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941743
Not even close. Just wondering.

[Anonymous No.]

japanese will be long dead before that happens.
10 years from now japanese will become mainly poorly translated english words used on japanese grammar.
Just some silly anime phrases and words will still be on japanese like sushi and imouto

[Anonymous No.]

Are people really satisfied with reading in shitty English?

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe in a few decades.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941644
>Not if the machine has a more accurate dictionary.
>Word by word Japanese translation
you stupid fuck

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah.. let's see how that machine translation works on games like Oretsuba, guys. Brilliant idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941729
You're obviously doomed to failure, but the best way to learn is http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/all-japanese-all-the-time-ajatt-how-to-learn-japanese-on-y
our-own-having-fun-and-to-fluency

[Anonymous No.]

Translations are shit. I wouldn't wish translated games on anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6941818
Eh.