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It's been a long time since we had a discussion about this.
/jp/, have you read your SICP today?

>> No.6934671

Please explain to me in a clear and concise manner why exactly would I want to read SICP.
Thank you in advance.

>> No.6934674

Yes, yes I have OP.
>>6934671
SICP a day keeps the Java away.

>> No.6934677

>>6934671
It has loli cross-dressing incest, and all the characters wear frills and hats.

>> No.6934681

>>6934671
So you can laugh at Luis, envy Alyssa, and worship Eva.
It is an amazing novel, hidden in the guise of an entry level computer science course.

>> No.6934685

Stop that.

>> No.6934686

我は馬鹿だから、本を読めない.

By the way, is there japanese translation of SICP available online?

>> No.6934688

>>6934671
I don't know. I think it has something to do with insane clown posse

>> No.6934692

What the HELL is a SCIP?
that snake looks like a part of medusa xD

>> No.6934695

>>6934686
I'm sure there is, but why would you want it?

>> No.6934697

>>6934674
>>6934677
>>6934681
I have entertained the notion of learning some programming someday before, however I have no previous experience outside of what little I remember from high school IT classes. Would a book such as SICP would be a correct choice for a beginner like myself?

>> No.6934699

>>6934688
It's all about EXPERT PROGRAMMERS and ``ABSTRACT BULLSHITE'' you'll never comprehend.

>> No.6934701
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6934701

>>6934692

>> No.6934703

>>6934697
Yes, it will teach you the basics of programming and, if you read it enough, will make you achieve satori.

>> No.6934708

>>6934686
Sure, if you pay them enough ;) http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E8%A8%88%E7%AE%97%E6%A9%9F%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%83%A0%E3%
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>> No.6934714

>>6934701
What the HELL does that mean? I've seen someone post that to me b4 but I forgot =__=|||

>> No.6934729

>>6934714
Dont play stupid with us asshole.

>> No.6934741

>>6934729
?????????
(｀_´)ゞ

>> No.6934743

No, because CS is a shitty code monkey major.

>> No.6934750
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6934750

http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html
Full textbook available online for those interested in learning about the subject. It is a tough book for beginners if you do not have a very solid math foundation, but I'm sure the power of autism can get you through. It was in introductory course at MIT until just recently. The book has earned the status of a classic.

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/

Video lectures to go along with the book.
Lectures are very entertaining to watch, and also contain some explanations not found in the book.

This is a book you hold on to forever. If you get far enough in the lectures on your own, you might want to buy your own copy.

http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/
Scheme interpreter and editor to go along with it.
Available for a variety of operating systems.

This is one of the best ways to reach youkai level and enter Gensokyo. I've defeated countless adversaries with my parenthesis.

>> No.6934755

>>6934703
K&R is better for starting out than SICP, and it's more relevant and useful as well. Only hobbyists use Scheme. No one in the real world does. If you actually knew anything, rather than just spewing stale /prog/ ``jokes'' then you would know that.

/prog/ hates you. Please stop posting there, and stop cross-posting shit too. Touhou, NEETism, figurines, and body pillows have absolutely nothing to do with /prog/. Keep your shit here.

>> No.6934756

>>6934703
>>6934750
Thank you for your assistance.

>> No.6934768

Wow /prog/ is actually quite lively.

>> No.6934771

>>6934768
You'd think that until you realize it's just
>have you read your SICP today?
and
>THE FORCED INDENTATION OF CODE
posted over and over and over almost exclusively.

>> No.6934779

>>6934771
I just went there and couldn't spot neither of that.

>> No.6934785

Just because you're autistic doesn't mean you have business in /prog/.

>> No.6934784

>>6934755
> K&R is better for starting out than SICP, and it's more relevant and useful as well.
SICP is better for starting out than K&R, but it doesn't mean you have to use Scheme in real world and/or never learn C/read K&R. I always recommend to read SICP, learn the basics of Lisp (Scheme), master C and use it. (usually wrapped in a )
> Only hobbyists use Scheme. No one in the real world does.
Read above.
> If you actually knew anything, rather than just spewing stale /prog/ ``jokes'' then you would know that.
Read above.

> /prog/ hates you. Please stop posting there, and stop cross-posting shit too. Touhou, NEETism, figurines, and body pillows have absolutely nothing to do with /prog/. Keep your shit here.
It should be noted that I'm one of the few ``quality'' posters that haven't (yet) left /prog/ to die alone. I'm a /prog/ regular, I came here from that thread.

>> No.6934793

>>6934779
> I just went there
sage is considered polite, like in /jp/, remember to sage when posting, if you're going to, thanks!

>> No.6934794

>>6934755
C is a terrible choice. What a new programmer needs is a foundation, a way to think about what he is creating. K&R just screams "Make me a code monkey~!"

Scheme is only "outdated" in that it was replaced to cater to the "I wont ever use this in a job" crowd.

Any programmer worth his salt should learn, and understand basic concepts that have been lost in new courses taught in institutions all across the world. Data structures, Information Architecture, Systems Thinking, How to judge code quality based on merits – like ease to produce, maintain, understand, performance, etc

C is redundant in this day anyways. C++ is essentially a patched up C.

>> No.6934797

>>6934794
You as well. Remember to sage.

>> No.6934803

>>6934793
>sage is considered polite
I though sage was so used in /prog/ because every thread consisted of spamming either: Xarn, The Sussman, SICP, ED rambling variations and so on.

>> No.6934805

>>6934797
I am from /jp/. I felt my post was worth the bump.

>> No.6934809

>>6934793
Oh no I don't plan on posting.

>> No.6934811

>>6934794
C++ is essentially a shitted up C. C might not be perfect, but C++ tries to ``fix'' it by adding more shit on top of it, maintaining a sort-of-but-not-really-working compatibility layer to C. Templates are a Turing-tarpit, you'll end using them just for overloading functions, the stl is all fucked up.

Learn Scheme and the basics, use C and wait for the rise of Lisp.

>> No.6934813

EVERY THREAD MUST BE REPLIED TO
NO EXCEPTIONS

>> No.6934816

>>6934811
>Rise of LISP
One of these days. Hopefully before the year of the Linux desktop too, haha.

>> No.6934822

>>6934803
Xarn left us, like the rest of the good posters. We don't shit memes like in past, but the quality of good posts has degraded as well.

When they need to shit up /prog/ even more, they use noko.

>> No.6934828

>>6934816
Fuck off, ``faggot''.

>> No.6934831

>>6934822
Oh I saw a thread about someone raging over noko.

>> No.6934846

Yes, yes I have read my SICP today and every day.

>> No.6934860

>>6934822
Honestly?

I cannot exactly point at when was /prog/ transformed from a programming board, to DQN with programming.
Maybe it was always like this.

>> No.6934878

>>6934860
Somewhere between 2006 and 2007:
2005: I wasn't there.
2006: ``good''
2007/2008: shit, but with wonderful Lisp threads (sparse, somewhere, forgotten)
2009: good but FrozenVoid.
2010: no FrozenVoid, better than 2009.
2011: maybe not[/spoler].

We can't really have a decent /prog/ challenge now, though.

>> No.6934909
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6934909

I haven't gone to /prog/ in years.
I don't think I even have any related images any more.
Reading this thread makes me not want to check to see how bad the degradation has become.

>> No.6934925
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6934925

Have you read your SICP VN today?

>> No.6934949

>>6934909
It may be better than you remember, we had some good threads these days. In fact, we need you.

>> No.6934972

>>6934909
An example: >>>/prog/1296487765/1-10,12-33,52-53,55-60,62-63,66-73&#44
;75,77-79,81,83,86,89-111,113-115,119-125,138,141,144,15
3,155,157-162

>> No.6934980

What the fuck. >>>/read/ prog/1296487765/1-10,12-33,52-53,55-60,62-63,66-73,75,77-79,81,8
3,86,89-111,113-115,119-125,138,141,144,153,155,157-162

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