Umineko episodes

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7>3=5>1>2>4>6

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You forgot to put >8 at the end.

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1>3>4>5>2>7>6>8

The Core Arcs were shit tier.

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5>7>6>3>4>2>1

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4>rest

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7>6>5>3>4>1>2

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7 > 3 > 5 => 4 >1 > 2 => 8 > 6

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5>7>3>8>4>1>6>2

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3>7=5>2=4=1>6

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4=6=7>2=3=5>1

1 is still good, but everything else is so much better

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ITT opinions which won't be read

5 > 7 = 3 > 4 = 1 > 2 = 6

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4>3>5>2>1>7>6

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1 is overrated

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>>6849802

I read them, why won't i?
It takes like... 2 second to read a post about numbers

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>>6849797
Where did this Eva = Batman thing come from?

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So can we all pretty much agree that odd episodes = good, even episodes = not so good?

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>>6849815
Misinformed spoilers when ep7 first came out.

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>>6849815
People reading spoilers from ep7 tea party.

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>>6849819
nope

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>>6849815

Because she's the hero that Rokkenjima deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him, because she can take it. Because she's not a the hero. She's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.

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>>6849840

Eva is not really that different from Kyrie, stop this

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>>6849824
>>6849825
Wait, no misinformation can fuck up that hard.

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OP, are you me?

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>>6849819
Eh, maybe a little.

4 was good, 2 was good at the end. My favorites are mostly gauged on the mystery aspect, so the meta focused games rank pretty low for me, 5 being the exception.

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>>6849840
That's actually true. Auntie-san is always your ally, Ange.

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>>6849845
People heard about noble Eva vs evil Kyrie, Eva caring about Ange, and Eva choosing to hide the truth from Ange to protect her, and flipped out over her being BATMAN.

It didn't really sink in to most people what a huge fucking bitch Eva was in the gold room and such and her role in everything going to shit until the translation came out.

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>>6849845
Misinformation + severe autism goes a long way.

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>>6849852

#1 Ally, you meant

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3>7>4>1=5>2>6

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>>6849858
I thought the stuff about autism was a joke. /jp/ users are actually autistic? That would explain the whole stuff with Without love it can't be seen and You are goats and You don't think hard enough and whatnot.

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>>6849870
>/jp/ users are actually autistic?

Yes.

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>Reads EP7
Alright, time to see what this Batman Eva is about
>She shots her brother's wife by "accident"
...some Batman huh...

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7 is shit, I'm convinced people who like are just fat fujoshi who shlick to Leon and Will.

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>>6849858
This is why I will not trust any impressions on 8 until I read it with my own eyes.

It's way too easy for spoilers, misinformation, and 4chan's glorious echo chamber to make everything go wrong.

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>>6849876
But what if you think Lions a girl.

What then.

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>>6849876
>STOP LIKING THINGS THAT I DON'T LIKE, I'M SO BUTTMAD

7 is great, deal with it.

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>>6849880
Oh I'm sure /autism/ got a lot wrong, but unless the ending was totally misconstrued, 8 is shit.

The answer is utterly unsatisfying, and nothing can redeem that.

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>>6849872

Not only that, Kyrie clearly stated that her and Eva are really not that different in the end.

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>>6849885
I was actually fine with EP8 in terms of its premise and the actual, very end. The beginning was pretty solid too.

It's everything in between those two points where things start approaching trainwreck territory for me.

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>>6849885
>ending was totally misconstrued,

Would this really surprise you?

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>>6849883
>STOP DISLIKING WHAT I LIKE, CONFORM TO MY TASTES

funny how that works

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>>6849745
>The Core Arcs were shit tier.

This

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>>6849888
I cant stop listening to that song.

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>>6849894
I expect wrong, but not way in left field.

We were told bullshit dream fiction type end, we'll get something like that.

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>>6849896
The Core arcs are awesome tier.

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>>6849897

Best Graphic Motion Ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBWPEuzy-ks

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>>6849909
That Lion and Will look like complete shit.

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>>6849905
I'm fairly sure the "dream" spoilers are fake.

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Eva is actually batman. She just wasn't presented as what she really was in Bern's fake tea party. In reality, Kyrie was a lot more evil and Eva was a lot more batman. Rosa was her sidekick.

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>>6849919

Faggot

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>>6849914
As far as people freaking out over EVERYTHING BEING FAKE/A DREAM, it's pretty overblown. The situation is left every bit as ambiguous as it was in 6 and 7 in regards to what's real and what's not. The only additional information we get is that Battler was a part of the joint authorship writing the forgeries.

So if you want to read it as "everything was made up in Battler's head", that can't technically be denied. But for people who want the meta aspects to be legit, both the trick and magic endings throw you a huge fucking bone.

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>>6849909
I thoroughly agree.

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>>6849927
It's not really left ambiguous, you really have to try very hard to delude yourself to think the meta world is real after ???

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>>6849937
> you really have to try very hard to delude yourself
but that's what umineko fans do best

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>>6849937

You mean the scenes were Bern, Lambda and all the other meta characters are show to have continued existing?
Yeah, it's pretty hard to deny Meta at that point.

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>>6849947
No doubt. Like how Shkanontrice should have been universally accepted after 6, but that only happened a year later.

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>>6849950
>You mean the scenes were Bern, Lambda and all the other meta characters are show to have continued existing?
Yeah, the scene with the character confirmed fictional (Leon and Erika) and characters made from fictional rules made 80 ago.
Sure is real here.

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Can someone tell me the conclusions of the Twilights through games 1-4? Will's answers are too cryptic for me.

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>>6849956
Shkanontrice was refused for so long because it was simply a shitty solution.

People wanted to grasp onto some kind of hope, no matter how small.

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>>6849950
That's the tea party. ??? happens after that.

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>>6849950
The way I personally think of it is that events are all probably required to contain some kind of "real" account, but there are really are times--like Ange's sudden total emotional turnaround in the magic ending--where the meta account makes a lot more sense, so I'm fine with seeing that as the more legit of the two. And then you have things like Ange going on to directly remembering what happened to her in meta during the magic ending, and the Beato doll in the trick ending.

Again, it's pretty obvious the intent was to be ambiguous (with a sprinkling of particular niceness for people who love meta and want to see it as real). In other words, expect both sides to be calling each other delusional retards.

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>>6849937
Let's see.

It says that Tohya wrote stories using Battler's memories, but how the fuck he knows about Sakutaro and its backstory? It was only written in Maria's diary, which was in Ange's possession. Battler had been absent for 6 years, and when he returned it was already destroyed.
ep4 and ep6, Ange's future parts, that should be false according to our real ending. He sure knows a lot about her, down to the smallest details and people close to her, that aren't really public.
ep8 Ange's resurrection (again) after dying in seemingly real world now, not some crappy meta-theater or witch's tea room.
Ikuko using red in real world press conference.

There are probably more.

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>>6849992
>it's pretty obvious the intent was to be ambiguous
It was ambiguous until that episode, but now there is too much complicated meta shit that's hard to explain, so meta seems more likely at this point, unfortunately.

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>>6849988
Please, guys. I still don't know how some closed rooms work.

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It's still beyond me how people liked Episode 7.
It was by far one of the slowest episodes, almost nothing was going on. And all the mysteries were previous mysteries already answered, all the while the core mystery of it was answered in the episode right before 7.

And I don't get the "But Will/Lion are so awesome XDXD!!!" thing either, because they barely had any screen time at all, and even when they did they didn't do much beyond pinching and getting pinched, and listening to Bernkastel.

Everyone already knew Kinzo's story, the adults speculated about it as early as episode 1, and it has only been repeated repeatidly since then. And I don't know how many times it was stated that Beatrice looked like a foreigner, so no schock there.
Yasu was in no way a suprise any longer, especially not after Zepar and Furfur's little play, and outright shoving it into your face with the kanji of "Without love".
I would be really surpised if any westerner really cared about the epitath at this point.
It had already been roughly described, and more than once, how the servants lived and how they were brought up.

Ep7 was increadibly empty, and it barely contributed anything new for that matter either.
I had got far more enjoyment from reading The Advetures of Ushiromiya Ange in Ep4, and I can't really say that was much other than average in either case anyway.

I sort of have an idea were people project their own wishes upon their opionions, as they don't quite remember their initial thoughts on the earlier episodes, nor why they liked/disliked them for that matter as well.
And simply projects the wish of this being good as it is further into the series, and because they don't want to have wasted their time.

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>>6850045
>Please, guys. I still don't know how some closed rooms work.
Ryukishi probably has said the same thing.

I'm sure it's some shit about love.

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>>6850046
Because there's more to what's good and what's not good to an episode beyond a bullet point list of what technical information it reveals.

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>>6849988
>Can someone tell me the conclusions of the Twilights through games 1-4?
It's fun, because people say they know everything about Umineko, yet they usually fall down before this question.

I could post the copypasta for episode 1 though.

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>>6850045

People still don't get them? Jeez... just use Shkanon and you solve everything

Ep:1
- Shannon's corpe is fake. Hideyoshi got blackmailed
- The chain is a lie
- This one is ambiguous, but it was never really a closed room. Most likely, Maria got tricked

Ep 2:
1- Chapel wasn't locked, Rosa is an accomplice.
2- Illusion don't leave a body
3- Shannon killed Fatty anfd Gohda, then she killed herself, that's why it's a coffin

Ep 3:
- Shkanon, pretty easy

The other aren't closed room, most likely Eva killed Rosa and then the adults got rampage

Same with ep IV, only with Kyrie

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>>6850046
>speculated
There's a huge difference between theories (no matter how obvious) and actual confirmation. Just look at all those mad people, who weren't spoon fed in 8th episode, even though the answers were presented in a more obscure way. ep7 had many things confirmed and that gave people satisfaction.

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>>6849988
How about asking specific twilights instead of "all"?
If you are saying you didn't get any of them, you are just a terrible reader.

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>>6850060
I never said I know everything about Umineko. I just want to know the conclusions.

Could you please post that copypasta?

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>>6850060
>It's fun, because people say they know everything about Umineko, yet they usually fall down before this question.

Are you dump?
Closed room were pretty well explain in ep VII.

No wounder R07 insult his readers, you guys don't get the simples thing.

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>>6850053
Yes.
But this episode was still rather content-less.
We have already had entire episodes of thinking of how a maid's life could have been.
Now we got to follow a maid, and guess what, it was pretty much as expected from such a maid.

The earlier episodes had content as well you know.
When we got to follow Ange's life, that was a first, in almost every way.
We knew of the character Ange, but we didn't know what would have happened to her without her family, nor what would have happened with Eva, nor how or where she would live etc etc.
Otherwise they may have had some similarities in how these arcs were read, but they were still fundamentally different.

But it still beats me, cause the episode I can think of that is the most similair to Ep7, is Ep4. And although I personally find Ep4 to be laods better than Ep7, many ranks Ep7 among the highest and Ep4 among the lowest. And while it may be true that I am not particuarly fond of Ep4 or anything, I still find it better.

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>>6850098
That line doesn't explain all of episode one's twilights.
And almost everyone got that a long time ago.

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>>6850081
Well excuse me, maybe I'm not the smartest guy around. Besides I only ever read one mystery novel in my whole life so I'm not sure what works in mystery and what not.

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>1-1 The corpse that cannot return to earth returns to illusions.
Shannon poisoned everyone, Shannon died and Yasu rose and continued.
>1-2 A chain of illusions can only hold back illusions.
Yasu jumped in and stabbed Hideyoshi and Eva, Kanon(Yasu) is crazy good at sleight of hand and tricks used to fool everyone with optical illusions and Genji persuades everyone to step back from the room and the door.
>1-4 Let the man of illusions go to where he belongs.
No one was killed, Kanon dissapeared, people are led to believe someone was killed.
>1-678 Illusions are the blind girl's song. Illusions of a closed room.
Yasu, being crazy good at martial arts killed everyone except Maria, the room was never a perfect closed room.
>Bomb

Anyone up for the task of explaining Ep2 in the same manner?

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>>6850106
>That line doesn't explain all of episode one's twilights.

What, you need to know that Genji served poison tea, then he and Shkanon brought everyone there, smashed their face and placed a Shannondummy?

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>>6850106
It does.
For fuck's sake, in ep1, the culprit not contradicting the red and detective's account can only be either Shannon or Kanon, it was obvious god knows how many years.

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>>6850119
But it doesn't explain how.
Are you new to how these things are supposed to work?

I know very well that what Ryukishi have been writing may very well be far from a proper mystery novel, but it doesn't make his work any better.

In the resolution, the mysteries are supposed to be explained in detail, more so than often, by the detective himself although not necessarily him.

Leaving it ambigious, saying, it could have only been X, is just bad, and horrible in comparison.

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>>6850079
There's also the way the answers are presented--you know, storytelling and writing. I'll admit I was one of those who hated, hated, hated Shkanontrice after EP6 because I hated what I thought it was implying about the story, characters, and theme. EP7's presentation succeeded in calming me the fuck down and actually making me like it.

The answer itself didn't change, but the way it was written and presented was, which completely reversed my opinion of it. EP7 was just really well-written - probably the best-written episode along with 3. Will as protagonist, for example, is pretty much a hilariously falls-out-of-the-sky plot device character who is arguably borderline Mary-Sue material in being so very smart, cool, heroic, etc. He should have been shitty, but the episode managed to present his character and what he was there to do effectively by paying attention to nuance - the bittersweet nature of his "outsider" status when solving Beatrice's heart, and also being very careful to keep him from taking over the story at all while still implying just enough about why he is the way he is to make his actions and attitude plausible.

All of EP7 feels sort of attentive like that in a way that EP8 unfortunately wasn't, and it just came together really well for me.

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I though the serveant must not be the culprit

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>>6850114
>Yasu jumped in and stabbed Hideyoshi and Eva, Kanon(Yasu) is crazy good at sleight of hand and tricks used to fool everyone with optical illusions and Genji persuades everyone to step back from the room and the door.

It's not like she could totally caught them by surprise after all.

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>>6850138

Yasu is not the a servant, but the family head. Also, we don't know if Dine applies to Umineko.

Also we aren't in fucking golden age anymore, if the are servants they should be suspect, otherwise they are just filler characters.

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>>6850139
Yasu knocks door, Eva peeks out of chain, stabs Eva, breaks chain, goes to bathroom and stabs Hideyoshi

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>>6850152
wut so I couldnt solve Umineko because I thought dine and Knox apply? Some bullshit right there

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>>6850169
He only said Dine bro

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>>6850166

I was joking

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>>6850152
There was never a single hint in the previous games that Yasu/Shannon/Kanon is the family head.

By the way, killing off personalities is acceptable?

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>>6850169
Who ever told you that Dine's rules apply? You don't even have a list of them in game, unlike Knox's.

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>>6850046
It was the whydunnit.

The "heart" that is so important.

It showed WHY the entire situation happened.

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Nobody ever said that Knox and Dine's rules apply to Umineko.

Heck, the second hidden OP starts with the phrase "No Knox. No Dine. No Fair."

We DO know that the mysteries presented in Episodes 1 through 6 are solvable, however

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>>6850184
>killing off personalities
This is only the case when word playing with red. But without the reds, it's really just "culprit pretended to die".

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>>6850197
How was there word play?

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>>6850184
>By the way, killing off personalities is acceptable?

It is, since if you count them dead they won't return again later in the story. Yes, I remember about Kanon in EP2, but it was just about poor Gohda being threatened by Yasutrice and Ronoue to claim it was Kanon

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3>5>4=1>7>6>2

battler and beato together made the whole game in 3!

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>>6850212
The "Kanon is dead", "Shannon is dead" red truths

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>>6850217
Kanon in 3 and 6 as well.

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>>6850184
>There was never a single hint in the previous games that Yasu/Shannon/Kanon is the family head.
Yeah, except in the whole letter Beatrice sealed with the family head ring.

It's like you want a clue for every single point, explicitly. That wouldn't be a clue. You could reason that Beatrice was the head, you could reason that Beatrice was Shannon/Kanon. That is enough.

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>>6850195
Well, if there is no Dine, there shouldn't be Knox with that single sentence stating so.

Which pisses me off, because it makes Dlanor utterly irrelevant, just like Will. If you have a story, and you have a character whose only purpose can be replaced by an already present character, there is a problem. Ryukishi needs to learn to trim the fuck out of his character roster, if there is another WTC.

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>>6850218
I liked three because it was a nice balance between meta and mystery. Both sides were given something.

Hell, with the exception of 1, the question arcs provided a very nice mixture of both. I wonder why he strayed into pretty much pure meta in 5-8.

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>>6850232
Dine applies, but we just don't know what Dine rules are in the game, for all we know, the 2 rules Will mentioned might be the only ones.

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>>6850046
>repeatidly
>increadible
>and outright shoving it into your face with the kanji of "Without love".
>Kanji
Episode 7 is the most revelatory episode. It was not boring, it was not unnecessary. If you think it was void of content, I'd like to see your reaction to 8.

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>>6850136
My main problem with Ep7 was that it was increadibly bloated.
It is no news that Ryukishi badly needs an editor, but Ep7 made it all the more obvious if you have any real experience or education about literature.
Ep7 could have been easily cut down to about 50-60% of the original content, without messing up the characterization of the characters.

Also, Will barely starred in the entire episode.
I can understand how you could be weary of him prior to his introduction, but it's almost to the poit where I can't see how anyone could get a proper introduction of him from Episode 7.

But lets think of it this way.
In regards to Umineko and it's mysteries Ep7 barely does anything.
Granted, there are of course everything else there is to a story.
But lets compare them.

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>>6850251
Without the mysteries and most of what makes Umineko unique, then Ep7 is more or less the story of an increadibly mundane maid girl, who lived the life an increadibly mundane maid, although with ordinary fantasies about love and magic. Getting to know love, yet unable to maintain said love. Then getting to know other love, only to become increadibly heartbroken and conflicted when the old love suddenly re-appears.
It's an increadibly ordinary story with a near awful resolution.

With Ange you also got to follow her grow, although she reflected on things from both the far past and far future, her own situation, and how it compared to others. There were other characters as well present, as Eva, someone who's story also got told, and the story also got reflected upon from multiple perspectives. And then you got to follow how she together with Amakusa wanted to ellaborate on things.

In terms of plot, this had twists not comparable to Ep7, it also had a climax other than a realization of a past already explained to the reader, and the troubling situation of a love triangle hard to resolve.
Otherwise the general structures of the episodes are similair, hence why I am comparing them. But these are some obvious differences and I can't really see why Ep4 would score so low amongst so many wheras Ep7 would score so relatively high.

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>>6850240
Because the story takes place in metaworld

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>>6850251
You're the one who badly needs an editor.

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>>6850257
Did I happen to insult you with just this?
Also the editor thing has been stated numerous times in previous threads.

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>>6850229
>>6850184
There was the ring/envilopes and the call from the person of 19 years ago.

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I wanted to ask a question, so i'll use this seakitties thread instead of opening one.

Why do people assume Kyrie, Rudolf and Battler are the culprits, based on ep VIII Bern's game.
It doesn't make sense.

The game clearly stated you are suppose to turn the chessboard.
Now, why would Kyrie and Rudol create a first twilight so they can fake their deaths and continue the killings later, when they can kill everyone on their sleep? Or even better, with the bomb.

In ep 1-2-3 Beatrice created closed rooms because she wanted to be NOTICED, but why would Kyrie and RUdolf do it?

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The problem I have with Shkanontrice is that if I look at game 4. Shannon is found dead with half her face destroyed, and Battler examines her body, so that confirms it as a corpse. However, if this would have to be a suicide, wouldn't he have had to have found some sort of weapon nearby? Otherwise I can't see how one could destroy half their face and then dispose of the weapon while they're dying like that. That's what made me think it was always just Kanon, and that them being the same person was retarded. I still don't see how they can be with what I just said about Shannon's death.

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>>6850251
>increadibly
>but Ep7 made it all the more obvious if you have any real experience or education about literature
Are you implying you have real experience of education? You apparently don't even know how paragraphs work; you just make a new one every sentence.
>it's
And you were using the right one before, do you just guess?
>Granted, there are of course everything else there is to a story.
>>6850253
Could you use the word "increadibly" and more?
>who's
>ellaborate

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>>6850184
>By the way, killing off personalities is acceptable?

They are not personalities

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>>6850270
I just find it highly hypocritical for you to say he needs an editor.

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>>6850280
Maria moved it

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>>6850251
What? ep7 really isn't bloated at all. There was no repetitive stuff, just new stories, explaining different mysteries and what happened. If you expected it that doesn't mean that it's bad.

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>>6850280
>The problem I have with Shkanontrice is that if I look at game 4. Shannon is found dead with half her face destroyed, and Battler examines her body, so that confirms it as a corpse. However, if this would have to be a suicide, wouldn't he have had to have found some sort of weapon nearby? Otherwise I can't see how one could destroy half their face and then dispose of the weapon while they're dying like that. That's what made me think it was always just Kanon, and that them being the same person was retarded. I still don't see how they can be with what I just said about Shannon's death.

Couldn't she crush it with a stake?

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>>6850300

Wasn't Maria already dead?

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>>6850278
>based on ep VIII Bern's game
No one does such thing. It's the truth from Bern, whom Auau ordered to reveal it, Ange's reaction to contents of the diary, and Battler's and Eva's behavior in general.

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>>6850306
Stakes seem to cause wounds similar to bullets or stab wounds. Crushing half of your own head with a short little spear seems a little implausible to me.

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>>6850289
>>6850281
>>6850257
Stop being faggots, he meant editor as in someone to read over his work, removing unnecessary parts like EP3's Hempel's Raven examples, not R07's grammar.

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>>6850280
She was near the well, remember? If you read And Then There Were None or just have brains you should be able to solve it.

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>>6850280
That kind of trick is in And Then There Were None, which is apparently the only mystery Ryukishi ever read.

A character dies near a well, obvious gunshot wound, and yet there is no weapon found. Considered a murder, yet it was actually a suicide. It's accomplish by typing a string or something similar to the weapon, and something heavy, like a rock. Place rock in the hole, and let gravity do the rest of the work when you collapse dead.

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>>6850251
>My main problem with Ep7 was that it was increadibly bloated.

It was shorter then every other episode! It didn't needlessly stay on any one point, at all.

WHAT would you have cut?

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>>6850251
>My main problem with Ep7 was that it was increadibly bloated.
Are you kidding? EP7 was pretty much the most tightly-written and focused episode. You can complain about the Yasu parts being low-energy, calm, and boring to you or whatever, but they were extremely well-structured in getting across the relevant information about how Beatrice was formed and moving on.

What exactly did you think was bloated about it?

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>>6850331
Conan Doyle's "The problem of Thor Bridge" uses a similar trick.

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>>6850395
Nothing of Ryu07 is tightly written.
If his is tightly written then Nasu is a master scholar.

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>>6850232
Will's character wasn't really there to act as Van Dine to begin with, and Dlanor is awesome enough that she doesn't need any justification okay. All right in actuality she was a device to demonstrate the constructed nature of the story and how Beatrice designed it to be solvable for Battler but the point still stands

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Bullshit

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>>6850317
>It's the truth from Bern, whom Auau ordered to reveal it
The stuff from EP7, or is there something else new in EP8? (I didn't read the last EP)

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>>6850434
It's true.

Just remember that the truth can still be misleading through context.

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>>6850442
Yes, ep7.

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>>6850434
It is true in EP1-4 because Beato abides it, EP5 because Lambda abides it, EP6 because Battler abides it.

In EP7 teaparty to EP8, Bern can do whatever she wants with the red.

[Anonymous No.]

I consider personalities to be a different factor than humans. If they say only humans of course I take it literally.

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>>6850470

THERE ARE NO PERSONALITIES, ONLY ROLES THAT YASU TAKES, DAMN

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>>6850479
It's the same!

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>>6850331
>That kind of trick is in And Then There Were None, which is apparently the only mystery Ryukishi ever read.

Pretty much every closed room is a reference to another close room from the golden age era, and it makes sense since mystery were what tied Beato and Battler together

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>>6850464
>HURR DURR

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>>6850484
Personalities makes it sound like she isn't in control and they're different people like a gimmick used to be cool in animu and mango.
She's fully conscious and in control while doing that shit, she just pretends otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

Aren't the red truths only the truths of the games?

[Anonymous No.]

How was I supposed to solve this? Shannon is dead. Kanon is dead. The roles Yasu played are dead. How does that even work?

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>>6850512
Beatrice/Yasu is not dead.

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>>6850512

Beato is alive.
Also, Kyrie and Rudolf could have killed Nanjo

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>>6850512
Like this.

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>>6850525
Does Beatrice count as a piece as well?

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>>6850526
No lies in their final moments as told.

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>>6850507
Red text that covers the events unique to a game only apply to that game, yes.

But, for instance, when Ronove says in red in EP3 "In 1967, in a hidden mansion on Rokkenjima, Beatrice-sama existed as a human" that is a truth that exists before and outside any game, so it can be taken as truth for all situations.

[Anonymous No.]

Umineko fans are just so bad at grasping anything.

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>>6850531
Oh god what the fuck is this even okay in mystery?

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>>6850540

Final Moments

It wasn't stated when Nanjo was killed, and we know they are very well capable of murders.

Or again>>6850525


>>6850526

She shares a body with Kanon and Shannon, yes.

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>>6850512
>"The one who killed Nanjo was definitely a human"

Man, EVA-Beatrice was incompetent. She checkmated herself and Battler didn't even notice.

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>>6850548

Again, they are not personalities

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>>6850555

She later adds that this human may or not may have magic powers

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>>6850549
>She shares a body with Kanon and Shannon, yes.

But still, how can you kill of a personality/roll?

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>>6850548
It's pretty cheap, but I don't think it's really cheating. The story spent a lot of time talking about THIS IS HOW WE DEFINE IMAGINARY FRIENDS/PERSONAS AND THEIR DEATHS in Episode 4.

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>>6850566

Remember what Ange did with the stakes in ep IV?

Once she decided to stop acting as Kanon or Shannon and everyone believe they are dead, they die.

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>>6850566
She stopped using them.

Without an actor to play a role, the role is dead.

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5>7>2>3>1>4>8>6

Fucking Ange

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>>6850546
>that is a truth that exists before and outside any game, so it can be taken as truth for all situations.
It just happened to co-exist. That was truth both inside and outside, but it doesn't make the red truth any more reliable on the outside.

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>>6850577
Haha oh wow.gif
As if Yasu is any better.

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>filename

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3>2>8>5>1>6>7

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>>6850558
>Again, they are not personalities
Yes, quite right.
They are roles, with certain personas/personalities.
Roleplaying. And with personalities.

[Anonymous No.]

I just remembered, what was that for?

[Anonymous No.]

1>2>3>5>4>6>6

[Anonymous No.]

Battler's parents asking him to kill Shannon is real or is it a fake spoiler?

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>>6850613
I love the fuck out of this drawing.

[Anonymous No.]

DID is just roleplaying in the end.
Yasu probably had a DID that was still developing, in its early stage

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>>6850608


It showed you that if one of the adults found the gold (except maybe Krauss and Natsuhi) they would go rampage and kill everyone.

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7>3>1>5>4>6>2

Yes, i like the homolust.
Sue me.

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>>6850608
She murdered the fake Battler, duhhh.

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>>6851597
Nothing wrong with that.

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2>3>5>1>4>6>7

2's ??? and 3's trolling, and 5's battler golden shitstorm are my top 3 atm. the last 4 are kinda just how i feel atm...Might change when i re-read them again in the near future

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>>6851597
There barely was any.
S/he pinched him about 8 times and they almost didn't do much more than than exchange just a few sentences between eachother.
Most of the time they listened to Bernkastel, or Lion doing nothing.

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>>6854535
They worked well as a team and were entertaining to watch. In an episode with a lot of exposition, that's one of the keys to why it was so good.

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I think the biggest issue with Umineko was that it was never clear about the rules.

One of the parts that upset me the most where when Erika got away with claiming she had already done something the game master was not aware of. If that was allowed, Battler only needed to have said "Btw, I caught the criminal red handed before he killed anyone" and won.

I also think I never quite understood that part about Battler's mother not being Battler's mother. Did that ever lead anywhere, or was it just some meaningless fact that never got explored?

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>>6854799

Erika was a big fat meta cheater.

Ever played d+d or any other pen and paper rpg where ONE guy uses knowledge from outside the game mechanics to make things more difficult and or to cheat?

That's erika.

Battelers mum was kyrie. Not asuma. Biologically speaking.

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>>6854535
>S/he pinched him about 8 times and they almost didn't do much more than than exchange just a few sentences between eachother.

[Anonymous No.]

2>3>5>1>4=7=8>6

[Anonymous No.]

Wasn't there something that Maria had said Battler in episode 1 that was purposely blanked out? Was what she said ever revealed?

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5>1>6>3>4=2>7

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>>6854835
So two sentences out of I don't know how many, automatically makes them high ranking characters?
They aren't even the only characters with dramatic lines like those.

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>>6854915
You mean that "sacrifices chosen by the key" that got revealed in Kinzo's room in the same episode?

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>Battelers mum was kyrie. Not asuma. Biologically speaking.

Doesn't make sense when the dialog is all about Kyrie not caring about Battler since she isn't his. Not to mention Kyrie blaming Asuma for getting pregnant to steal him away.

Then again, with the way it is all written, I wouldn't be surprised if Asuma and Kyrie are just two personalities of the same person.

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>>6855059
>when the dialog is all about Kyrie not caring about Battler since she isn't his.
That's the point. The reader is suppose to pity them, see the irony in their situation, wonder if blood relationship even mattered in the first place, or whatever about this truth that only we and Rudolf know about.

[Anonymous No.]

Re-reading ep 1 right now, more i read, more it becomes disturbingly hilarious.

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>>6855059
>Doesn't make sense when the dialog is all about Kyrie not caring about Battler since she isn't his.
Oh wow. Congrats on being the biggest retard in an already retarded thread.

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>>6855036
They're high ranking characters because of the way the narrative used them and because they had fun interaction with one another culminating in a dramatic ending. It doesn't take much to get attached to characters, especially when they're well-written.

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>>6855171
This is fantastic.

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>>6854799
>One of the parts that upset me the most where when Erika got away with claiming she had already done something the game master was not aware of.
Don't get why everyone is always getting worked up over this. Gamemaster isn't almighty, he doesn't have hidden cameras at every corner. Did you guys expect this to be like AOE where he would get a ringing alert in his head if the enemy (Erika) attacks his villager (piece) or something?

Like did you expect Battler to observe everything on the EP6 gameboard... using his gamemaster powers to peek at the MILFs showering, Erika masturbating in her room because she was bored, and being able to zoom in on the critical area during these moments in Bluray quality?

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>>6850152
>Yasu is not the a servant, but the family head. Also, we don't know if Dine applies to Umineko.

I wonder, in ep V when Natsuhi finds Kinzo's body, does she notice the Head Ring is missing

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>>6855231
>Did you guys expect this to be like AOE
I expect it to be like a TRPG, like D&D or whatever, where actions are observed by the gamemaster, and approved or declined by the gamemaster.

Doing something the gamemaster didn't notice is akin to have not done anything at all.

[Yasu's White Knight !44rQYjFvco No.]

7>all

I feel bad for the people who think the core arcs are terrible, since not only is it half of Umineko but it puts the other half into perspective, too.

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>>6855285
Those people were just in it for the trollfaces anyway. Witness their constant fellating of Erika as proof.

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>>6855285
>Yasu's White Knight !

Stop this, she's batshit insane and you know it

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>>6855366
Hey, I fellate Erika and I love the core arcs

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>>6855218
In a series where by design, especially in Chiru, a majority of the characters act as static devices, Will and Lion stand out because it feels like they have actual motivations and character arcs. They aren't particularly complex or deep or anything, but on the other hand, they're also low-key (that's a good thing) and integrated well, which Ryukishi tends to have a problem with. For once, Will doesn't have to pull Lion aside for a very special, isolated, and interruptive scene where he exposits all about his tragic baggage from SSVD. But it still comes across clearly in that rescue scene/Tea Party, in the context of simultaneously serving other emotional notes/the larger narrative.

[Anonymous No.]

what i like about the homolust pairing
is that
Since Lion gender is Unknown It is well recieved by Straight and Yaoi fans..

[Anonymous No.]

I'm terribly disappointed with the low amount of Suspiria references in Umineko.

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>>6855928

i dunno

bright primary colors
needlessly elaborate killings
good music
almost entire cast is girls
everything explodes in the end
and of course witches

sounds plenty alike to me

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>>6855943

Only Suspiria's plot makes sense and it's over in a hundred minutes.

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>>6849909
>Best Graphic Motion Ever

It's called a trailer.

You don't have to engage in engrish just because the nips do.

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>Oh wow. Congrats on being the biggest retard in an already retarded thread.

Thank you for caring.