Why is Batora such a bad husbando?

File: 436 KB, 800x800, 1293300671117.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2011 No.6822920 [Reply] [Original]

Why is Batora such a bad husbando?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:17:11 2011 No.6822930 I think his character was accurate for the average teenage boy. They don't make good husbands.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:21:11 2011 No.6822947 >>6822930 So basically Battler is /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2011 No.6822952 >>6822947 I said average. And I think /jp/ is more around the 20-25 mark.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:22:11 2011 No.6822953 >>6822947 No, battler appears to bathe regularly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:23:11 2011 No.6822959 Battler is mai husbando ;__;

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:24:11 2011 No.6822964 File: 312 KB, 480x640, 13475160.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] battler thread? BATTLER THREAD

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:25:11 2011 No.6822967 File: 86 KB, 480x800, 09ffdd763e2710cbcd8301c88b758422.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2011 No.6822970 File: 78 KB, 417x699, 11XIJustice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:26:11 2011 No.6822973 File: 200 KB, 880x800, 1264064712038.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:27:11 2011 No.6822977 File: 319 KB, 1000x1000, 8562c2771617eccf9aa81741fb63ddd4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:29:11 2011 No.6822987 File: 159 KB, 467x600, 8170621_m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:29:11 2011 No.6822990 File: 134 KB, 700x900, 15949568.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:29:11 2011 No.6822993 >>6822947 >Girls like Battler. >Battler have friends. No.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:29:11 2011 No.6822995 File: 324 KB, 680x1006, 10118138.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2011 No.6823000 File: 205 KB, 850x631, 9406048.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2011 No.6823004 File: 286 KB, 550x520, 14757427_p1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2011 No.6823005 >>6822973 /jp/ meet up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:32:11 2011 No.6823008 File: 62 KB, 459x548, 4b661fe506af8fdba31afc829ef9f6e9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:33:11 2011 No.6823017 File: 568 KB, 970x932, 11503456.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] aw shit whats going on here

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:34:11 2011 No.6823021 File: 332 KB, 2000x2000, 11522205.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:35:11 2011 No.6823025 File: 378 KB, 620x816, 11606034.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:35:11 2011 No.6823029 File: 1.73 MB, 1500x1192, 11887226.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:36:11 2011 No.6823035 >>6823017 me on the left

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:36:11 2011 No.6823037 File: 67 KB, 480x708, 11893516.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:37:11 2011 No.6823041 File: 111 KB, 874x656, 11893799.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:38:11 2011 No.6823044 File: 845 KB, 1000x1000, 11923491.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2011 No.6823050 File: 117 KB, 700x525, 12085101.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why is he so perfect /jp/? well aside from being a complete fratcore douche

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:40:11 2011 No.6823051 File: 1.06 MB, 1000x714, 11897840.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:41:11 2011 No.6823058 File: 194 KB, 550x1050, 12622907.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:42:11 2011 No.6823065 File: 307 KB, 768x1024, 1261432404380.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:43:11 2011 No.6823066 File: 332 KB, 600x720, 15655009_p6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] He's a horrible husbando but he's an even worse older brother.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:44:11 2011 No.6823074 >why is Batora such a bad husbando? It's genetic, look at Kinzo and Rudolf's dick

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:46:11 2011 No.6823084 >>6823066 LIES

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:47:11 2011 No.6823090 File: 295 KB, 611x722, 5222054179dbfcd376cf52c0d70c6c6e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] err forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:49:11 2011 No.6823097 File: 437 KB, 450x600, 15676065_p3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6823066 I love these cunning, evil Battler fanarts, he looks hilariously out of character in these

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:49:11 2011 No.6823098 File: 1.17 MB, 1157x1600, 1261432642361.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Battler's GAR is the GAR of the universe

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:50:11 2011 No.6823102 >>6823097 >Taller than Rudolf Nope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:50:11 2011 No.6823105 >>6823097 Kyrie looks out of character in those. Battler and Rudolf make a good evil match.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:51:11 2011 No.6823107 File: 81 KB, 400x607, 15956437.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6823090 Ange waited for you Battler. But nevermind, enjoy your AuAurora.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:52:11 2011 No.6823112 File: 337 KB, 1699x1598, 10350495.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] remember those post Episode 5 yandere Battler doujins? Those were fucking awesome

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:53:11 2011 No.6823116 File: 322 KB, 480x640, 7418363.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:54:11 2011 No.6823121 >>6823102 But isn't he really taller than Rudolf ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:54:11 2011 No.6823125 File: 507 KB, 620x750, 12761046.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6823097 I thought that scene was just Bern being a bitch and making shit up with red in that fragment

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:54:11 2011 No.6823126 File: 811 KB, 902x513, omgwtf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:56:11 2011 No.6823137 >>6823097 I cannot look at any depiction of evil Battler without cracking the fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:56:11 2011 No.6823138 File: 158 KB, 750x640, 55a97d2db590bb70199bbefc055ad2c2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey guys, why isn't there more fanart of Battler beating Bern's face to pulp? you'd think people would be all over a scene like that

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:57:11 2011 No.6823147 >>6823138 Because Bern is a pure and lovely little girl.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:57:11 2011 No.6823150 >>6823138 Because they're too busy drawing Battler and Beatrice drowning together. And honestly, the scene wasn't really that memorable in context, though you can tell Ryukishi was trying to make it AWESOME.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:57:11 2011 No.6823152 File: 146 KB, 750x800, 15831259_p3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6823138 I've only seen these 2

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:13:11 2011 No.6823231 >>6823150 how could it not be memorable? Like...how could he screw a scene like that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:14:11 2011 No.6823235 Bern haters are just terrible

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:15:11 2011 No.6823240 >>6823235 we don't hate her, its just that we want to see her get some comeuppance

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:16:11 2011 No.6823247 >>6823150 If by not memorable, you mean one of the best written scenes in the entire ep and one of a handful on par with ep7, sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:17:11 2011 No.6823259 >>6822920 Because he's incompetent. Will was more competent husbando. Not to say Battler is a bad character, I just see Battler as a boy and Will as a man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:18:11 2011 No.6823262 File: 735 KB, 600x600, 27b65db57809649d7f68ba106625c8fe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6823247 >on par with ep7 EP7 was shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:19:11 2011 No.6823268 >>6823138 Because it could have been awesome but instead it was sort of your typical shounen DON'T TALK SMACK ABOUT MY NAKAMA scene. All it needed was gomu gomu no gatling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:19:11 2011 No.6823270 >>6823259 It's funny because Battler is a boy, and Will is a man. You know, by definition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:19:11 2011 No.6823273 >>6823262 Uh-huh.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:20:11 2011 No.6823282 >>6823268 All fights in Umineko are like that.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:22:11 2011 No.6823295

>>6823259

isn't Will just some sort of materialization of Battler's desire to make it to Beatrice before she dies?

>>6823268

but that would be amazing.....Battler beating the snot out of her for ruining the gameboard so many times....she deserves it so badly

though I'm kinda disappointed it isn't anymore than just punching. I wanted Endless Battler with sword vs. Bern with scythe a la episode 5 tea party

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:24:11 2011 No.6823313 >>6823262 >only ep where Bern managed to do anything effective >perfectly paced >best Tea Party in the entire series >made Shkanontrice good >godly music >had Will >had Lion >no Erika >implying it wasn't the best ep in the series

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:27:11 2011 No.6823327

>>6823295
>Battler beating the snot out of her for ruining the gameboard so many times
That's not why he beat her up. He did it because she said something mean, that's all. Not because she was a bitch and did terrible things, like desecrating his wife's corpse or murdering his sister like ten times, but because she said something he didn't like at the end of the series. Earlier he was all cool about being friends with her. During the point she had kidnapped his sister.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:29:11 2011 No.6823339 >>6823313 >perfectly paced It wasn't

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:29:11 2011 No.6823342 File: 2.06 MB, 1600x2800, Erika 22.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6823313 >no Erika >implying that is a good thing MASSIVE FAGGOT DETECTED

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:29:11 2011 No.6823345 >>6823339 Sure, if you're not used to reading things, maybe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:30:11 2011 No.6823346 so what'd she say?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:30:11 2011 No.6823350 >>6823342 What the fuck is wrong with Shkanon's arms?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:31:11 2011 No.6823362 >>6823327 Ange didn't seem to have much of a problem with what Bernkastel did to her either, so I think it's just that Meta characters have odd ways of thinking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:33:11 2011 No.6823366 >>6823346 I don't even remember. It was like four o'clock in the morning when I read it. It was typical Bern trash talk that I didn't even pay attention to and all of a sudden Battler is all "take it baaaaack" and lastendconductor starts up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:37:11 2011 No.6823389 >>6823345 So you think 9 chapters of it going 'HEEEEEEEEY THIS IS YASU YOU FIGURE IT OUT YET NO OKAY HERE'S MORE YASU AND SHITTY MOTIVE" the only good part of EP7 was the tea party.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:38:11 2011 No.6823399 >>6823362 more like they don't die when killed or getting killed in the metaverse just means you've stopped thinking and are being stupid

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:39:11 2011 No.6823405 >>6823389 Uh, the point of those scenes wasn't to help you figure out the culprit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:40:11 2011 No.6823415 >>6823389 No, that was Episode 6. Episode 7 was "Oh yeah, and this is how s/he turned out that way."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:28:11 2011 No.6823915 >>6823050 Battler reads too many books to be fratcore

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:45:11 2011 No.6823999
File: 241 KB, 1087x777, 14637336.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>6823915

but...he still acts fratcore. The only moments where he isn't total self-absorbed douchebag is when he's talking about the heart. Or dissing Erika. Otherwise, he's %100 asshole

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:50:11 2011 No.6824026 >>6823313 Agreed, EP7 was definitely the best episode. I like a lot of other episodes but 7 just outclassed the rest of the series. It felt so different and refreshing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:54:11 2011 No.6824038 File: 157 KB, 501x708, truelove.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:55:11 2011 No.6824044 >>6823999 How was Battler self absorbed?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:59:11 2011 No.6824058 >>6824026 It only felt like that because it came after Ep5 and Ep6 full of META META META and gave us lots of backstory, real characters and answers. That was great. Why couldn't Ep8 finish that?

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:02:11 2011 No.6824066

>>6824044

>leaves family
>spits in his family's face and vows to never return
>fight with dad for 6 odd-years
>comes crawling back after grandparents die
>OH HAI GUYS I'M BACK DERP
>is as obnoxious and immature as ever
>pretends he's the shit

god I hate his guts

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:04:11 2011 No.6824079

>>6824044
For starters, he's not in love with Yasu or Shannon. He's in love with the image they made for him (Beatrice) because they thought Battler didn't like their appearance enough.

And they were right, because on the boat in EP 8 neither Shannon or Yasu is there - just Beatrice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:06:11 2011 No.6824085 >>6824079 >And they were right, because on the boat in EP 8 neither Shannon or Yasu is there - just Beatrice. To be fair, Yasu liked being Beatrice

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:08:11 2011 No.6824099 >>6824085 She liked being "Claire". The blonde Beatrice always felt sad and unfullfilled.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:09:11 2011 No.6824102 Am I the only one thinking that that Beatrice on the boat was just his illusion?

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:10:11 2011 No.6824104

>>6824066
>>leaves family
He leaves his philandering dick of a dad. It had nothing to do with the rest of the family.

>>is as obnoxious and immature as ever
He acts goofy, yeah. But he knows it and does it as a way of breaking the ice around the relatives he hasn't seen in half a decade.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:10:11 2011 No.6824106 >>6824085 Not the point. That scene reflected Battler's true feelings. The "Beatrice" on the boat is supposed to be Yasu/Shannon, who Battler pretended to kill after Kyrie and Rudolf told him to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:12:11 2011 No.6824111 >>6824079 I don't think Yasu separated her "personalities" that much. Beatrice is still her. They are strictly separated in our eyes because of the way the story is presented.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:12:11 2011 No.6824112
File: 302 KB, 640x480, 1279779858.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>6824079
I raged so goddamn hard when Battler whined about Moetrice not being tsundere enough and ignored Shannon completely even after learning about the truth.
I laugh whenever people try to claim that Umineko is a good romance, it's just the same old generic tsundere shit where the superior shrinking violet gets ignored and screwed over for no reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:14:11 2011 No.6824120 >>6824111 She did separate her personalities. Otherwise there would be no need for the love duel, which is all about the personalities (Shannon, Kanon and Beatrice) wanting to be whole people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:15:11 2011 No.6824124 File: 929 KB, 2164x3018, Fate seiba.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6824112 That's not true, the shy girl wins sometimes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:15:11 2011 No.6824125 >>6824104 >Hurr durr dad is bad and mean because he isn't loyal to a woman. >Forgets he just promised a maid to take her away from her former life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:16:11 2011 No.6824130 >>6824120 Yasu doesn't have multiple personalities in the real world though. It's meta world bullshit. Stop that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:16:11 2011 No.6824134 >>6824112 But Shannon is truly in love with George now. After learning the truth he can't change anything anyway, but at least he can make all the parties happy in illusion (and trick Bern).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:17:11 2011 No.6824137 >>6824112 Actually no one knows what is Yasu true personality Since Shannon Kanon and Beato are three different personalities...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:17:11 2011 No.6824140 >>6824125 He was thirteen. He made that promise rashly because he thought it was something cool to say to a girl he liked. The sin wasn't making the promise, the sin was FORGETTING it, which he did because he felt embarrassed about his immaturity.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:17:11 2011 No.6824141

>>6824125
I laughed so hard at this. Battler is such a fucking hypocrite it hurts.

Well at least Kinzo and Rudolf are trying to atone. The entire epitaph is Kinzo hoping to possibly find his child/grandchild to atone for what happened, Rudolf genuinely regrets what he did and finally tells Kyrie in EP 8 about the baby switch.

Meanwhile Battler is crying about his tsundere, who isn't even real but an imaginary image created by the girl who really loves him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:19:11 2011 No.6824146 >>6824137 They fucking aren't, stop that. It's one whole person who has inner conflicts, which is completely normal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:20:11 2011 No.6824153 >>6824141 >at least Kinzo and Rudolf are trying to atone. >Battler let himself get locked in a isolated hell for her sake.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:21:11 2011 No.6824158 >>6824141 Don't forget leaving his real sister and exchanging it for being with this imaginary tsundere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:24:09 2011 No.6824177 >>6824134 George manipulated her into loving her, it's far from true love.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:24:11 2011 No.6824172 >>6824146 Have you seen Yasu in episodes 1-7 in 1986? That is my point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:24:11 2011 No.6824178 >>6824158 I think you mean being with some random writer chick who picked him up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:25:11 2011 No.6824180 >>6824153 Unless it's not real and everything happened in his amnesic delusional mind. Kinzo did the epitaph in the real world, and God knows how many times Rudolf licked Battler's feet trying to apologize.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:27:11 2011 No.6824187 what is battler/Rudolf and kinzo are all one person?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:28:11 2011 No.6824193 >>6824178 No, he, Battler's personality, decided to drown with Beatrice and died. Ikuko picked up a "new" human - Tohya with a strange memories of unknown person.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:28:11 2011 No.6824194 >>6824140 >the sin was FORGETTING it That's what I mean. "Forgets" is literal in my sentence.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:29:11 2011 No.6824203

>>6824106
>who Battler pretended to kill after Kyrie and Rudolf told him to.
Not even close. Bern's game in this episode is a logic puzzle designed to distract Battler and Beato while she woos Ange over to her side in order to manipulate her into opening Eva's diary. It's not the truth.

The scene with Battler and Beato in the end isn't Battler's ideal ending, it's Yasu being free to be the person she always wanted to be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:29:11 2011 No.6824206 >>6824153 1. That likely never even happened 2. He got into that mess by himself because he was acting like the shit so much and thinking that there was no way Erika could win against him unless he helped her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:29:11 2011 No.6824207 >>6824193 Even so, he knew who Ange was. Why don't go to her, give her some happiness and maybe even remember everything? Oh wait, writting shitty fiction is more logical.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:31:11 2011 No.6824219 >>6824172 You can get a pretty good idea of her personality combining Shannon, Beatrice and her memories from Ep7, really.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:31:11 2011 No.6824220 >>6824207 >Why don't go to her, give her some happiness and maybe even remember everything? The game explains this. I'm not sure what else you want.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:32:11 2011 No.6824228 Do they ever explain what happened to battler as he was going to Rudolf, did battler see Rudolf being killed by eva or was he just too late to see anything?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:34:11 2011 No.6824239 >>6824099 That's because she wanted Battler inside her vagoo, but he was nowhere in sight for 6 years

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:35:11 2011 No.6824245

>>6824203
>Not even close. Bern's game in this episode is a logic puzzle designed to distract Battler and Beato while she woos Ange over to her side in order to manipulate her into opening Eva's diary. It's not the truth.

Can someone explain me how was Beato ressurected AGAIN in ep VIII?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:36:11 2011 No.6824247 File: 272 KB, 800x600, 0296.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6824124 Isn't Fate more of a kuudere? Speaking of "Fate", here's another shy girl who wins.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:37:11 2011 No.6824253 File: 47 KB, 450x450, without love.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6824245

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:40:11 2011 No.6824265 >>6824228 No. Bern just says that she was going say that "it's all not necessary truth" but Ange interrupted. Other than that, nothing about that tea party. >>6824245 She's a piece of Battler as everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:41:11 2011 No.6824268 Some body try to explain umineko in at least 5 sentences, it has to make sense and must be detailed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:41:11 2011 No.6824269 >>6824026 Agreed. Ep 7 was the first episode I sped through it was so fascinating.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:43:11 2011 No.6824278 >>6824245 Beato should have died for good back in Ep5, revealing Yasu in Ep6 and showing the real her from then on. Instead we got tons of different Beatrices, ten meta levels and a couple of Yasus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:47:11 2011 No.6824299 >>6824278 She can't die if someone believes in her, like any other meta character or an idea.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:48:11 2011 No.6824303

Episode 7 was the episode I hated the most with 4.
It was so fucking boring I had trouble going through it, repeating obvious shits again and again and focusing on the most boring character know to man after Ange.
Well it may also be because I realized Umineko was pure shit by episode 4 and that the only reason I continued was for Erika's antics, and episode 7 had no Erika.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:50:11 2011 No.6824310 >>6824303 You must've loved Higurashi for killer lolis back in the day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:53:11 2011 No.6824321 >>6824278 More Yasu is always okay with me. Only seeing her at the very end of ep8 sucked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:54:11 2011 No.6824324 >>6824303 oh look, it's this faggot again

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:56:11 2011 No.6824332 >>6824310 Is there something bad for trying to look for something enjoyable in a heaps of mediocrity? It's not like the story of Umineko is good or something, actually it's really pretty bad. Erika saved it from being complete shit for me.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:57:11 2011 No.6824334

>>6824265
>She's a piece of Battler as everyone else.

This seems a little.. anticlimatic.

Especially after the fuss in ep vi

>>6824278

Agree. There was no need to introduce Moetrice so early in the game, it felt like Beato didn't die at all and Battler ended up being a pussy again.

Really a bad move from R07

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:57:11 2011 No.6824337 >>6824332 >It's not like the story of Umineko is good or something I disagree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:59:11 2011 No.6824343 >>6824303 ok i have to also say the chapter part was REALLY boring and i stoped so much it took 2 weeks to Finnish it, the doll part,the kinzo story part, and the tea party was a really fun read though, to bad it was like 20% of the whole story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:01:11 2011 No.6824354 >>6824337 I would really like you to tell me what you find good in the story of Umineko. I can understand liking some characters but the overall story? Sorry but I can't see it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:01:11 2011 No.6824356 Ep VII was necessary. You faggots don't agree about anything, if R07 didn't show you an episode inside Yasu's head and what the fuck happened to Kinzo you would have continue to discuss Shkanontrice forever.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:03:11 2011 No.6824360

He may not have been the best husband, and quite frankly, he was pretty retarded most of the time, but there's something about Battler I can't help but like. Maybe it's because he always manages to bounce back after failing horribly, or maybe because he does seem like an genuinely nice guy deep down, but I can't help but root for him.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:03:11 2011 No.6824362

>>6824343
Again, anyone who actually reads things regularly shouldn't have had any problems getting through the Yasu parts even if they didn't enjoy them. They didn't repeat themselves like Ryukishi is prone to do, each of them had a central point and answered things about how Beatrice was formed, and they all came to an interesting climax in the study. Even if you hate Yasu and didn't find the subject matter engaging, objectively they're some of the best stuff Ryukishi has written.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:03:11 2011 No.6824364 >>6824354 It's an interesting story twisting around mystery and fantasy conventions, wrapped in a delicious layer of metafiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:04:11 2011 No.6824369 >>6824356 Catering to retards is never a good thing to do. So what if a bunch of idiots argue about shits forever.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:05:11 2011 No.6824373

I think r07s worse move was not letting the mc, battler, BE A MC FOR FREAKING 3 EPS. I almost forgot how it was like to have a mc in umineko, r07 basically shoved his mc away, i have never seen something as retarded as that. even worse he adds a random as fuck character as his mc. even if we see battler throughout eps 5-7 theres no point because his character goes no where in the story and he does nothing at all.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:05:11 2011 No.6824375

>>6824360
> he was pretty retarded most of the time, but there's something about Battler I can't help but like.

To ber fair, i think Battler did mostly a good job most of the times.

He's alone, no allies, with witches trolling him and crazy shit everywhere. To not mention his family dying over and over.
It's easy to speak when you are sitting in front of a p.c. with all the time of the world... but Battler didn't have any of this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:08:11 2011 No.6824388 >>6824375 but...none of that happened that was Battler being an amnesiac and trying to remember everything christ people, the metaverse is fiction within fiction

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:09:11 2011 No.6824393

>>6824364
The idea is good, I agree. It's one of the reason I actually finished the game.

But the story was executed in such a clumsy way it was simply unbearable at times, the whole twisting mystery and fantasy with layers of meta had the subtlety of an elephant in a hallway.

That's what is so annoying in Umineko, it feel like R07 really bit far more that he could chew

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:09:11 2011 No.6824394 >>6824373 What do you mean? Battler is pretty obviously the main character, or at least the protagonist (if you want to say Ange was the main character of 8) of 6 and 8. In 7 he got hijacked by Will, but no one should be complaining about that.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:09:11 2011 No.6824395

>>6824356
I think the majority here likes Ep7.

Personally, I liked reading slow-paced, coherent story, and felt interested in Yasu and ended up liking her. No meta shit, no magic battles, just, you know, a story. It felt like a breath of fresh hair among all the suffocating meta and it's frills and witches and trolls and furniture. It was awesome with Beato as a central figure. After that it got more and more annoying.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:10:11 2011 No.6824399

>>6824356
he could of shoved 3 hours of writing though, most of it was not needed. the chapter part took way to much of the ep and left me saying why did i need to read all that.instead he could of added more character development to the freaking two more characters he added and also maybe add some for the others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:10:11 2011 No.6824401 >>6824388 >the metaverse is fiction within fiction This is why I really hope that some Meta Umineko character shows up in the next When They Cry series, so everyone's heads can explode in confusion

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:12:11 2011 No.6824408 >>6824394 yeah but he didn't feel like a true mc at all.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:13:11 2011 No.6824410

How can anyone be satisfied by Yasu?
In the end what she lived through and what she ended up planning really felt unconnected.
Of course you can if you try but it just feel stupid.
Normally when you read the backstory of a character you can somehow understand and sympathize with her, the only way to do so with Yasu is to accept she is completely bonkers.

Personally I think Ryuukishi really failed there, especially considering he built her up to be the character pitied by everyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:13:11 2011 No.6824411 >>6824395 I meant >air What the fuck am I thinking about.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:16:11 2011 No.6824419
File: 251 KB, 640x480, efasd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>6824410
>Personally I think Ryuukishi really failed there, especially considering he built her up to be the character pitied by everyone.

Witch is weird, because he knows hot to make you feel sorry for a character... Maria life was shit, Eva is batman and i even feel sorry for Kinzo and Rosa. Let's not even talk about Higurashi characters.

Clair motives are really..silly at the best.
I can sorta understand why she did it, but i can't help but feel thats stupid.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:17:11 2011 No.6824421

battler was only a decent main character during ep 1-4, you were able to understand him and also see how much he changed throughout the eps, remember when he gave up and was drinking wine and getting drunk? that was one of my favorite parts because it gave him a realistic look, unlike every other character, well maybe but rosa, who also seemed more realistic to me.eps 5-7 had no character development , no change, fucking nothing.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:22:11 2011 No.6824435

>>6824410
you know what it is? r07 made a awesome villain , Takano and everybody loved her because she was the perfect answer, the perfect villain. we were expecting a DEEP answer/ awesome ending but all we got is a fucking girly lovely dovey sad story that no body gives a shit about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:25:11 2011 No.6824452 >>6824410 If you don't like Yasu, you don't like Yasu. Nothing anyone can say will ever make you think to the contrary. I liked her and thought she was great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:27:11 2011 No.6824458 >>6824452 Haters gonna hate. Yasu is my favorite Umineko.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:28:11 2011 No.6824464

>>6824452
It's not about liking or disliking her you know.
It's about the story and how she fits in after everything we saw in episode 1-6.
It's about her characterization, motive and how they are exposed.

Stop thinking about your feeling only like some kind of crazy fangirl and try to see her and the story in general from an objective point of view

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:28:11 2011 No.6824465 >>6824435 >perfect answer >perfect villain >"baaaaaww they don't like granddaddy's article I'll kill 2000 people and show them"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:29:11 2011 No.6824469 >>6824458 Me too. I was just pissed she came so late in the series. I wanted more time with her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:30:11 2011 No.6824479 >>6824464 >Stop thinking about your feeling only like some kind of crazy fangirl and try to see her and the story in general from my point of view, which is obviously the only valid one

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:31:11 2011 No.6824481 >>6824465 that wasn't the point, she fucking didn't give a shit about anything, she killed fucking kids for no reason and had the balls to talk back to a god. she was the fucking man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:32:11 2011 No.6824483 >>6824464 >It's about the story and how she fits in after everything we saw in episode 1-6. She fits in pretty well if you ask me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:32:11 2011 No.6824484 File: 71 KB, 354x500, 2pu0cya.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Personally I love EP 7. But then again, I'm a complete fag for Kyrie and her yandere antics.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:33:11 2011 No.6824488

>>6824464
No, it is about liking her. Her motive makes sense with what we were shown with the previous episodes. She had some of the best characterization in the series. It really all hinges on whether you can sympathize with the ongoing narrative thread of feeling helpless, unloved, and unable to remedy that with her own strength, or if you want to judge her for not being strong enough. Neither one is right or wrong, it just means she's a divisive character.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:33:11 2011 No.6824492 File: 84 KB, 653x516, DICTATOR TAKANO.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:36:11 2011 No.6824502 >>6824465 >>"baaaaaww they don't like granddaddy's article I'll kill 2000 people and show them" Uh, it didn't go like that. And Takano even started to regret what she was going to do... to bad DEEN didn't include that, uh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:36:11 2011 No.6824505 >>6824488 its still retarded, o im gonna blow up an island because some rich asshole said he liked me and forgot me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:38:11 2011 No.6824514 >>6824488 >Can't choose between three cousins > ROULETTE, GOGOGO

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:38:11 2011 No.6824516

>>6824488
The problem is that she was neither helpless, unloved and had lot of way to fix shits.
That's why it's hard to understand her, in the end she just feel like a drama-whore who had lots of options but always chose the worse ones knowingly.

That's why you can only sympathize with her if you acknowledge she is completely crazy or something.

And she doesn't fit with the description of her being so pitiable and shit, well except if you have the biggest heart ever.

In the end she played with the life of a dozen people for a reason that would feel completely and utterly stupid for 99% of the world population.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:39:11 2011 No.6824526 File: 197 KB, 656x519, takano crazy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:39:11 2011 No.6824529 >>6824502 It was like that. The rest of the crap really doesn't matter. It's her main reason, her life goal, to make that article be acknowledged.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:40:11 2011 No.6824533 File: 371 KB, 655x520, takano crazy2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:41:11 2011 No.6824536 File: 84 KB, 657x522, takano crazy3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:41:11 2011 No.6824539

>>6824516
That's just your opinion. It doesn't take into account how she was raised and how she found out about her past. If you want to judge Yasu by a universal standard there's nothing wrong with that, but I prefer to take everything about her and her situation into account before judging her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:42:11 2011 No.6824546 >>6824529 Yes, and she realized she was NOT going to make her grampa article memorable. She realized her grampa article was going to be scrapped and buried and wished she didn't take that path.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:42:11 2011 No.6824547 File: 67 KB, 656x520, takano crazy4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:42:11 2011 No.6824548
File: 126 KB, 493x496, 1292846614579.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Like with pretty much everything in Umineko, there are many ways to interpret Yasu, her motives, and what had she actually done. Personally, I love her and I will stick to my vision unless Ryuukishi speaks his word on the matter, through Rei or whatever.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:47:11 2011 No.6824577

>>6824529
you don't get it, it was takano herself which what made her a good answer and villain, she went through hell to get to were she wanted to be and her personality and character development was amazing , at first you hated her (or liked her for her awesomeness) and then understood her or liked her even more,with yasu everything seems like a joke and turns out to feel like a chick flick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:48:11 2011 No.6824586 >>6824546 Yeah, while continuing on her plan. And it would be acknowledged at least by the officials (who trampled on it) and prime minister that needs to permit the execution of the plan. It's not about fame anymore, but about silly revenge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:50:11 2011 No.6824597 >>6824533 >>6824547 >>6824536 this is why this vn was so popular, because even the villain had something about her that made her stand out, yasu doesn't stand out at all, shes just an emo girl that wants love.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:51:11 2011 No.6824598 >>6824577 I liked Yasu better than Takano. Takano wasn't bad or anything but I don't think anything that happened to her justifies killing two thousand innocent people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:52:11 2011 No.6824605 >>6824598 Neither did Yasu. But at least Takano was awesome while doing so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:54:11 2011 No.6824609 >>6824605 Beatrice was several magnitudes more awesome than anything Takano did, and the only time Yasu actually killed anyone was in her stories as Beatrice so...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:55:11 2011 No.6824615 >>6824597 Yasu = Beatrice. Now dare to say that she doesn't stand out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:56:11 2011 No.6824621 >>6824598 but she was a villain, she doesn't need to be justified, in her mind she thought it was even which makes her more insane and perfect for the person behind everything.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:56:11 2011 No.6824624

>>6824605
Yasu didn't kill anyone. And she probably wouldn't either. Her fault is provoking the Ushiromiyas, there's no proof she'd kill anyone if the relatives didn't start shooting themselves.
We have reality with Kyrie and Rudolf shooting stuff, Yasu's own stories when she takes the blame and lots of lies all around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:57:11 2011 No.6824631 >>6824624 There is no proof for anything, welcome to Umineko. There is no proof that Kyrie could kill anyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:59:11 2011 No.6824638 >>6824609 I would be alright if Beatrice didn't turn out to be a child that is yasu. if Beatrice was just Beatrice it would of been more interesting. instead of yasu, r07 could of just made Beatrice real.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:01:11 2011 No.6824646 >>6824638 Yasu is Beatrice. Beatrice's message to Battler is Yasu's message to Battler, Battler's promise to Beatrice is Battler's promise to Yasu, Beatrice's stories are Yasu's stories, Yasu is as real as Beatrice could ever get realistically.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:02:11 2011 No.6824652

>>6824631
Except all her characterization and her own words and Ange's reaction when she sees the truth, sure.
Nah, Ange was really upset that Yasu was an evil murderer. That's why she committed suicide for the millionth time and dissolved into tiny pieces. She was just that attached to Yasu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:03:11 2011 No.6824654 >>6824631 >There is no proof that Kyrie could kill anyone. Yeah because when she said in EP 6 how she was going to murder Asumu, she was just bluffing.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:03:11 2011 No.6824656

>>6824615
yeah but it never happened, all because of the ending of ep8. so in the end Beatrice/yasu is not the villain, the villain is battler, hes writing all these stories to begin with, well who know by this point maybe featherline really is the villain behind everything. I also remember that the guy who got the money in the end (forgot name) with kryires family would be considered the true villain.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:05:11 2011 No.6824669

>>6824652
>Ange's reaction when she sees the truth, sure.
>That's why she committed suicide for the millionth time and dissolved into tiny pieces

Stop referring to fake spoilers please, play episode 8 before arguing.

And the characterization of Yasu also show that she could kill, see episode 1-4.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:07:11 2011 No.6824679 There is no proof for anything, that's the basis of Umineko. There is a reason why the Battler culprit theory is so prevalent in Japan these days.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:08:11 2011 No.6824686

>>6824669
I did play EP8. The truth upset Ange so much that she fell off the balcony of the library and turned back into scrap meat. Clearly Ange truly loved Yasu with all her heart to be so surprised and grief-stricken by reading the truth about her murderous rampage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:10:11 2011 No.6824700 yasu sucks as a villain, all we get from it is boring back story and that shes a guy, which makes Beatrice gay and me feeling sorry for battler because he was getting stalked by a gay guy with no penis for years and he was getting tricked all along.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:11:11 2011 No.6824704 >>6824700 Good thing Yasu wasn't the villain.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:11:11 2011 No.6824707 >>6824686 It could be that it was a terrible blood bath. It could be that Battler was an active killer. It could be lots of things, if anything episode 8 moved away from Kyrie/Rudolf culprits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:15:11 2011 No.6824723 >>6824707 EP8 didn't have anything to say about Kyrie and Rudolf in particular. It didn't move away from them as killers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:16:11 2011 No.6824727 Ange says something like "father, mother, onii-chan aren't bad people, I don't believe it, it's Eva who killed them, she's bad" after reading the diary. Nothing about Yasu/Beato or anyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:16:11 2011 No.6824729 Am I the only one who think Tetsuro Okonogi planned EVERTHING out years ago?, just think about it, he gets the money in the end and was chasing ange all along. it would be a fucking huge ass twist and would make R07 like a fucking awesome deep troll.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:19:11 2011 No.6824738 >>6824723 No, in facts it's even more implied with the little "game". Still, I wanna replay all of the titles from the beginning and try to "see" the truth behind the metafuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:21:11 2011 No.6824741 >>6824729 And the murderer is Kawabata, who is Erika, who is 17th person because Shkanon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:32:11 2011 No.6824784 So Yasu is Lion is Beatrice is Shannon is Kanon. Is that right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:34:11 2011 No.6824790 File: 350 KB, 704x1000, Erika 32.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6824741 >17th person X was the killer all along FUND IT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:35:11 2011 No.6824792 >>6824790 IT WAS PURUPURUPIKO-MAN ALL ALONG

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:36:11 2011 No.6824797 >>6824784 >is Lion No. Lion may be the same person by birth, but s/he went through a very different life than Yasu so s/he does not have the same personality.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 21:12:11 2011 No.6825228

>>6824399
No. The Yasu parts were actually really good at presenting the relevant information in a tightly-written way. See >>6824362 . I was impressed by how well-put together it was.

As for Will and Lion, speaking as someone who really, really liked them, part of why they were so good in EP7 was because they DIDN'T take over the story and stayed focused on helping and understanding Beatrice. Unfortunately, in EP8, they were so extraneous and out of place it felt like it actually detracted from their roles in EP7.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 08:50:11 2011 No.6828610 I don't get why people like Yasu, his motive was shit. I raged hard at the whole "fate has been heartless to me". Since when, fucker?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 09:16:11 2011 No.6828657 >>6828610 "I have had wealth, rank, and power; but if these were all I had, how wretched I should be."

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 09:28:11 2011 No.6828675 >>6828610 >his her

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 09:31:11 2011 No.6828680 >>6828675 >homo in denial

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 09:37:11 2011 No.6828691

>>6828680
>idiot in denial
read the damn story and just TRY to understand it. you'll realize that you're not sure, so try to listen to those who were able to read EP8. they can usually provide a bunch of lines why you are wrong with your assumptions. I have to no patience to explain this to you now.

though you're probably a troll.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 09:42:11 2011 No.6828700 >>6828675 She was genetical born as a male, so...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 09:51:11 2011 No.6828713 >>6828700 That's what /jp/ wants you to think.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 10:07:11 2011 No.6828747 >>6828713 Nope, that's the most logical solution when it comes to a "body that can't love"

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 10:21:11 2011 No.6828772

>>6828747
She can't love because of her multiple personalities, neither of which is a full human, thus not qualified to love. She says to Lion:
"Thank you. ......Live in happiness. And someday, find yourself a wonderful person. ......I pray that you live as a human, without awakening as a witch. ......That you have a whole and single soul...and love one person with all your strength... ......I hope you live your life like that."
She bumped her head quite a bit during the fall.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 10:25:11 2011 No.6828780 File: 96 KB, 795x1024, 1264650060964[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 10:28:11 2011 No.6828785 >>6828772 Good luck trying to convince /jp/ Yasu doesn't have a mangled penis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 10:29:11 2011 No.6828788 >>6828772 It's not DID, learn to read And she obvious talk about "a terrible injury", and "a body like this".

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 10:44:11 2011 No.6828827

>>6828788
It doesn't matter if it's DID or she's just acting or it's a magical DID. The fact is, Lion who didn't fall has no other personalities.

And the fact that Kanon "is zero of her roulette" also points that he has no penis and can't marry Jessica even if roulette choses him.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 10:50:11 2011 No.6828841

>>6828827
The "personalities", more accurately imaginary friends, have nothing to do with it. They're just there to comfort Yasu. There's something wrong with her actual body that makes her feel inadequate to love. And I say her out of convenience. Popular theories are that she's female but with an injured womb, or male with a lopped off penis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 10:56:11 2011 No.6828853 File: 226 KB, 656x518, 1292776300782.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6828841 > There's something wrong with her actual body that makes her feel inadequate to love.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 10:59:11 2011 No.6828860 >>6828841 >The "personalities", more accurately imaginary friends, have nothing to do with it. They're just there to comfort Yasu. You missed the point of ep6 and Yasu's motives.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 12:46:11 2011 No.6829260

>>6828853
Interpretation. Japanese female consider themselves to be disgusting if they have big scars on their skin. It would be important to know if the sentence was passive or active in Japanese. "to love" or "to be loved". If it's left out, I'll assume that it was done so intentionally to make us think she's handicapped, but in the end she wasn't.

Oh and stop with the chopped off penis shit already. I won't argue about the gender right now, I'm fed up with the yaoi-raving retards' opinion.
Having one's penis destroyed is highly inconvenient and hard to live with. It's unlikely that the organ is cut off clean, therefore serious complications are ensured. Since the accident was a fall from a dangerous height, the wound is bound to be inflicted by a crushing force. Imagine your sexual organs to be crushed at that age. Then look up "castration" on wikipedia.

Now try to find the error in your theories.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 12:50:11 2011 No.6829281

>>6828860
The tragic point would be that Yasu isn't alone with her delusions, although she probably thought so.

That might be the point of Battler blaming her after it. It's much likely that he also had hallucinations on the island, as it is indicated in EP5. and EP8, of course..

Whan an unlucky family.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 12:54:11 2011 No.6829292 >>6829260 >Having one's penis destroyed is highly inconvenient and hard to live with. Bullshit

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 12:55:11 2011 No.6829297

>>6829260
>Japanese female consider themselves to be disgusting if they have big scars on their skin.
Japanese females don't usually have several huge hints pointing to a masculine influence over their body when this is the case. In other words, there's a reason Zepar has a dick.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 12:58:11 2011 No.6829314

>>6829260
>Interpretation. Japanese female consider themselves to be disgusting if they have big scars on their skin. It would be important to know if the sentence was passive or active in Japanese. "to love" or "to be loved". If it's left out, I'll assume that it was done so intentionally to make us think she's handicapped, but in the end she wasn't.

There are no indications of this, she's obvious talking about a damaged body part.

>Oh and stop with the chopped off penis shit already. I won't argue about the gender right now, I'm fed up with the yaoi-raving retards' opinion.
>Hurr hurr he doesn't agree with me that mai waifu Shannon doesn't have big tits, he must be faggot yaoi lover

>Having one's penis destroyed is highly inconvenient and hard to live with. It's unlikely that the organ is cut off clean, therefore serious complications are ensured. Since the accident was a fall from a dangerous height, the wound is bound to be inflicted by a crushing force. Imagine your sexual organs to be crushed at that age. Then look up "castration" on wikipedia.

Actually, you can. There have been cases, even famous ones. And when it usually happens, it recommended to grow up the person as a girl.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:10:11 2011 No.6829345 >>6829314 You don't understand. A castrate can't DECIDE to live as a female. The orientation stays intact. Yasu wouldn't have been able to fall in love with Battler. Or George.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:11:11 2011 No.6829350 >>6829314 The "understand" part means "understanding my point". I don't want to verbally degrade your intelligence, that wasn't my point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:13:11 2011 No.6829357 Oh look discussion. The fake murder mystery theory is the truth.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:14:11 2011 No.6829365

>>6829345
Wait! Wait!

So you're saying that gayness is impossible?

A dude with a dick could fall in love with a dude with another dick no problem. Only difference is now, one of the dudes doesn't have a dick anymore.

Oh, and to the tits arguments, Nanjo probably has Yasu on pills. Yknow, estrogens. The kind that several of you guys here on /jp/ take so you can wear ladies clothes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:16:11 2011 No.6829374 >>6829345 Oh so Yasu is only homo when you want to be insulting. Gotcha.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:21:11 2011 No.6829390

>>6829357
The ACCIDENTS is the truth. Ange said after reading the diary that the truth is stupid. So Battler rembered his promise and he and Shannon went on a date in the submarine pens. She forgot to turn off the bomb. Then their boat ACCIDENTALLY overturned. During that time the relatives spent the time happily, only Eva went to see Kuwadorian.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:25:11 2011 No.6829400 Yasu being a man raised as a woman after the accident just seems unnecessary far-fetched and complicated to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:26:11 2011 No.6829411 >>6829400 Yeah, it's only the core of her motivation and everything. What madness.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:30:11 2011 No.6829436
File: 165 KB, 640x480, fdsaf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>6829345

That's why s/he bisexual

Beside, a crushed penis really fucks your sexual identity.

>>6829400

Yasu is a boy, the cliff broke his penis. Nanjo fixes him with fake vagina, resulting in a distorted shemale body.
What's so complicated?
It's explain why Shkanon thinks s/he has a body that can't love, why s/he can pass as a man and a woman at the same time and why Shannon was scared to tell George the truth.

But well, if you want to go with a lolscar theory go for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:31:11 2011 No.6829443 >>6829390 Only that's wrong.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:31:11 2011 No.6829445

Couldn't it simply just be puberty?

The impression I got at first from EP7 was that Yasu was Kanon, but as she got older and developed things like huge tits it became hard to fool herself with a male personality and on a good evening the main personality became Shannon.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:31:11 2011 No.6829446

>>6829365
Ok, now we have

Case A. A homosexual male, who fell off a cliff in infant age, damaged his manhood, was raised to be female, takes hormones on a regular basis, fell in love with a grandchild of his employer, and gets engaged with a cousin of that mentioned grandchild.

Case B. A heterosexual female, who fell off a cliff in infant age, damaged parts of her body that either damaged her womanhood or put her into a mental state thinking that she's uncapable of love, but fell in love with a grandchild of her employer and gets engaged with the cousin of that mentioned grandchild.

Ok, besides the point that both of that sounds fucking over the top, did you consider Beato's red truth, that the whole incident wouldn't have happened if Battler haven't dared to show up?

This implies that she would have had a future with George.
A future. With George. Let's try our options again.
A. Male, homo, castrate. Needs to take hormones.
B. Female, hetero, possibly infertile.

Which one looks more likely for you?

In case A, I see no reason why Yasu wouldn't have killed "himself" very sooner. I mean... WHY?

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:35:11 2011 No.6829462

>>6829446
>This implies that she would have had a future with George.
No. The game outright says that no matter what, Shannon has no future with George. Read EP6 again, specifically the part in the beginning where Kanon is talking to Shannon about her relationship and how it's impossible no matter what she does. Shannon agrees with him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:39:11 2011 No.6829479 >>6829446 >that either damaged her womanhood How does a.. womanhood get damaged? Not trolling, i really don't know.. it not really...standing out..

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:40:11 2011 No.6829483 >>6829479 >falling from a cliff can't damage your crotch or cause internal damage

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:41:11 2011 No.6829487

>>6829445
>The impression I got at first from EP7 was that Yasu was Kanon, but as she got older and developed things like huge tits it became hard to fool herself with a male personality and on a good evening the main personality became Shannon.

"Because of THAT INCIDENT i've been forced to live in a body like this"

Beside, considering Kanon "personality", how much he's laid back about love and things like that, i doubt he cares.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:43:11 2011 No.6829499 >>6829479 Internal damage?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:43:11 2011 No.6829500 File: 151 KB, 632x700, 1292761021491.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6829446 >Which one looks more likely for you? George would have killed his mom for Shannon. His mom. BATMAN. Do you really thrust him?

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:43:11 2011 No.6829502

GM: a mysterious young girl appears in your mansion....

Player: I act friendly towards her.

GM: she is inviting you to leave the safety of your house, will you follow her?

Player: Yes.

GM: You reach a point of the way where you have to climb down a cliff...

Player: I roll for...

GM: no rolls, you fall and die.

Player: Wait, what!? Ah, no matter I was prepared for this so I already made a new character sheet. She will be the daughter of my previous character.

GM: Ok. You are being held by a servant near another cliff. The house mistress approaches and pushes you...

Player: Damn! I roll for...

GM: No rolls.

Player: Fuck this shit, I murder everyone.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:44:11 2011 No.6829510

>>6829462
This also covers the double-incest part and social impossiblity following that.
Saying that this can be disregarded only strengthens my point, since it's Kanon who thinks it and not Shannon or Beato. It's one voice of her head saying "IMPOSSIBLE", but the ruling part doesn't accept it.

On some days I even might consider that there's another layer of symbolism in Yasu's personality fuckup.
Shannon = ego
Kanon = super ego
Beato = id

but I'm still thinking about that one. This is especially crazy since we "know" that Yasu more often tended to decribe Beato to be her self. Still, this could also just be a statement. Like "I want to break free and be more the way I'm currently repressing".

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:48:11 2011 No.6829533 >>6829510 >This also covers the double-incest part and social impossiblity following that. >Implying anyone know where the fuck Yasu came from

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:50:11 2011 No.6829537 File: 319 KB, 540x771, 6d868a8ff08e12519b8e0542adb3a31b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >This thread Not this shit again... There is no answer. Lion is either until someone opens the damn catbox

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:51:11 2011 No.6829543 >>6829537 >R07 never decided on Lion's gender and is using the cat box plot device to avoid ever deciding

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:52:11 2011 No.6829551 >>6829543 You make that sound like a bad thing. It's one of the major themes in the story. It's a pretty shitty story, but Yasu/Lion's gender staying the catbox isn't really so much of a cop out. Ryu07 likely never intended to choose a gender at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:52:11 2011 No.6829553 >>6829543 It has no impact on the story anyways

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:53:11 2011 No.6829557 File: 159 KB, 291x373, 1292856581563.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6829543 To be fair, it makes sense, with the whole Shkanon thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:53:11 2011 No.6829560 >>6829543 I guess he's afraid of upsetting/alienating one half of his audience.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:56:11 2011 No.6829574 >>6829560 R07 is the last person to be scared about alienating his audience

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:56:11 2011 No.6829575

>>6829537
The catbox is Battler's memory that he sealed away after Yasu drowned before his eyes. The catbox got partly opened by Touya's own(?) curiousity, doubt and uneasyness, that more or less made him write bits of truth in the stories.
Since the black ending stands for the sealing process metaphorically, I think the white ending stands for the opening. Touya remembers, Ange won.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 13:56:11 2011 No.6829576 File: 112 KB, 640x482, impossible01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6829446

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:00:11 2011 No.6829589 >>6829533 Yasu knows. Would you fuck your cousin who is also your nephew?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:01:11 2011 No.6829593 >>6829589 I'd fuck my cousin though she is not my nephew. When we were little we also made a promise to get married.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:02:11 2011 No.6829596 >>6829576 Can imply inferitlity. Look how that worked for Natsuhi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:05:11 2011 No.6829605 >>6829596 You mean it worked by Natsuhi having a child eventually? Okay...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:05:11 2011 No.6829610 >>6829593 You're not born in Japan of the 70's. You're also not the heir to a rich-ass family that has to keep face in front of the society. This isn't so easy. Yasu was intelligent enough to see the shit coming up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:07:11 2011 No.6829618 >>6829605 Did you even try to understand the anon? Natsuhi was about to be socially sent straight to hell for being infertile.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:07:11 2011 No.6829619 >>6829610 >Yasu was intelligent enough to see the shit coming up. Yes and love also makes you do stupid things. It's an even bigger motivator than money.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:07:11 2011 No.6829620

>>6829596
Look. People do not generally test children for infertility. People do not generally know they are infertile until they are actually trying to have a kid. Plus it makes the big reveal at the end of EP7 pretty hilarious. Surprise! You'll have to adopt children! Oh god, the horror, the horror.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:10:11 2011 No.6829637 >>6829593 >>6829576 The future with George implies living as part of the Ushiromiya in the open. That's impossible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:11:11 2011 No.6829641 >>6829618 >Natsuhi was about to be socially sent straight to hell for being infertile. Because she was responsible for having an heir to the family. George might be the only son, but he's not in line for the headship either.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:14:11 2011 No.6829650

>>6829620
Yasu's infertility would become pretty obvious, she must have an internal injury, Nanjo knows about that. Now imagine that Nanjo tells her that when she's already meeting George, who's probably dreaming of a big family and shit. And we DO have Nanjo in that scene, and it seems that she freaks out after finding something out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:15:11 2011 No.6829666 >>6829650 >after finding something out I meant it seems she had only just found out "her body can't love", not just found out the reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:17:11 2011 No.6829670 Anyways, did this whole Bern punching scene happened before or after the final battle? If it happened before then it's completely pointless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:19:11 2011 No.6829677 >>6829618 >Natsuhi was about to be socially sent straight to hell for being infertile. Pfft. It's fairly obvious it's Krauss that's shooting blanks. Of course, lolsexism so it's the womans fault.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:19:11 2011 No.6829678 If Yasu is infertile how does EP6 love duel change anything? Even if she gains control her dream life with George is doomed to fail.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:20:11 2011 No.6829685 >>6829670 During

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:20:11 2011 No.6829687 >>6829678 adopt kids

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:27:11 2011 No.6829708 >>6829678 I take it as a metaphor leading to the "truth", deciding her gender. Most might disagree. I think it's definely not a simple love duel between her personalities.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:29:11 2011 No.6829711 >>6829678 Rather, how it changes things if she's a man. The duel can show Shannon's resolve to put up with the shit she'll have to go through if she decides to be with George. Kanon considers it too much and not a normal life, Shannon however is ready.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:29:11 2011 No.6829714 >>6829708 >simple love duel That's not really simple

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:33:11 2011 No.6829729 >>6829443 Prove it. Oh, wait you can't.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:54:11 2011 No.6829838

George want to have shitons of children. He doesn't give a fuck about is family honestly, he was going to meta-kill his mom anyway.

So yeah, whatever sex Yasu had in the beginning s/he can't have children, and maybe she had some sort of disability too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 14:55:11 2011 No.6829844 Does someone have the comic about Lion and Natsuhi talking in front of the cliff then, the scene moves to the parlor and Lion gets Kyrie'd

Reply to thread

Name
E-mail
Subject
Comment
Action

Advanced search
Text to find
Subject [?]Search by post subject. Leave empty for any.
Username [?]Search for user name. Leave empty for any user name.
Tripcode [?]Search for tripcode. Leave empty for any.
Email [?]Search by email. Leave empty for any.
Filename [?]Search by image filename. Leave empty for any.
From Date [?]Enter what date to start searching from. Format is YYYY-MM-DD
To Date [?]Enter what date to start searching until. Format is YYYY-MM-DD
Image hash
Search in	All Posts OPs Only
Deleted posts	Show all posts Show only deleted posts Only show non-deleted posts
Internal posts	Show all posts Show only internal posts Show only archived posts
Order	New posts first Old posts first
Capcode	All Posts Only by Users Only by Mods Only by Admins Only by Developers
Results	Posts Threads
Action	[ Simple ]

/jp/ - Otaku Culture