How can I become a NEET, /jp/?

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Anonymous Sun Jan 16 21:19:26 2011 No.6819656 [Reply] [Original]

How can I become a NEET, /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 21:21:26 2011 No.6819664 Have parents that are willing to let you be the leech you are.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 21:23:26 2011 No.6819676

As a /jp/ user? You must perform the grand initiation ritual that will turn you into a cute girl and seal you forever in your basement. You'll be physically unable to leave, but stay as a pure maiden forever. Since the ritual does not work with multiple people and the sealing effect is permanent, despite having a perfectly feminine body, you will never be able to experience romance in your eternal life.

It gets lonely sometimes, but this is the only path.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 21:24:26 2011 No.6819681 >>6819656 Are you in Education: then fail your classes! Are you in Employment: then get fired from your job! Are you in Training: quit that shit, bro! Followed the above steps? Congrats, you are now NEET.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 21:26:26 2011 No.6819692
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After dropping out of all school/training and quitting any jobs, find yourself a hovel like this and never leave. Live off your parents money, and once that is cut off you have the option of disability if you fan feign an illness or unemployment/welfare. It's not much, but enough to rent out a basement cellar, eat pizza every night, and pay an internet bill. Save up and you can afford figurines.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 21:27:26 2011 No.6819700 receive money from the government for some bullshit disability then post on /jp/ about it

>>	yukiPilotoftheGiantSuperRobotGaoTetsuKaiserGetterLaggan !!OBBZD7/v03Z Mon Jan 17 04:59:26 2011 No.6821574 >>6819700 guilty,tho not bullshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 05:04:26 2011 No.6821596 >>6819692 This is what I'm going to do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 05:24:26 2011 No.6821694 So, how many of you are actually like this? And why?

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 05:28:26 2011 No.6821710

>>6821694
There are definitely people like this here. How many, and what portion of /jp/'s total traffic they comprise, is too hard to figure out. But when a thread about them comes up they all post and it can get long.

This board makes me feel like the normalest normalfag the world has seen.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 05:40:26 2011 No.6821752

>>6819692
Anyone have some tips on getting disability? I feel like if I apply now it will ruin all my chances because you need to have worked and have had a medical history, and I have neither. I can't see a therapist because I have no money (and have already been kicked out), how do I make them consider me?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 05:45:26 2011 No.6821769 >>6821752 Faking a suicide attempt might work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 05:46:26 2011 No.6821772 >>6821752 No but I have some tips on getting a job. Why not?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 05:59:26 2011 No.6821822 So basically if i've succeeded in education, been employed -even though i'm not right now- and training my body 'coz I just feel like it, i can't be a /jp/ user? But that's racism !

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:04:26 2011 No.6821836

Question: How does one continue to live as a NEET?
Answer: Because one's food, clothing and shelter are assured.
It's because one is permitted a lukewarm bare minimum of life that one can continue to live as a NEET indefinitely.
Being able to live as a NEET is, in itself very much a Luxury. With the assurance of food, clothing and shelter, you won't die even if you don't work.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:05:26 2011 No.6821840

It's only hard to become a NEET when you're underage. They won't let you be a NEET and they'll physically carry you to a special school and jail your parents for failing to force you to attend schooling.

If you're not underage it's no problem. The problem is supporting yourself while being a NEET, that's a lot harder. Because it's basically winning at life. If you don't use a telephone (no NEET should) and cut back on other things people consider necessities, you might be able to live comfortably after tricking the government into thinking you deserve free money for your autism.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:13:26 2011 No.6821864

>>6821836
> Being able to live as a NEET is, in itself very much a Luxury. With the assurance of food, clothing and shelter, you won't die even if you don't work.
So basically all /jp/ users are tsun-tsun ojou-sama? I knew it, fuck you all annoying rich little girls !

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:15:26 2011 No.6821866 >>6821864 Mods, this commoner has the arrogance to talk back to me. Unbelievable!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:16:26 2011 No.6821868 >>6821864 I shouldn't have changed the wording. Now no one is going to get that reference.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:17:26 2011 No.6821871 >>6821868 It's a father ted reference right

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:17:26 2011 No.6821873 1. Call your employer and tell him you quit 2. Call your school and tell them you're dropping out 3. Call whoever arranges any other programs you might be on and tell them you're quitting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:19:26 2011 No.6821884 Only training your hand by masterbating. If you do, you will be NEET,maybe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:25:26 2011 No.6821902 Could one consider themselves a hikikomori if they work from home?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:26:26 2011 No.6821906 >>6821902 Yes, but then you wouldn't be a NEET.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:28:26 2011 No.6821912

>>6821902
Technically, being a hikki doesn't have anything to do with your employment status. However, /jp/ is oversensitive to anyone using the expression about themselves unless they're Japanese and haven't taken a single step outside their apartment for 6 months, so no one really uses it anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:28:26 2011 No.6821915 >>6821871 NHK. You reminded me of the best comedy series ever, when my DVDs of it are scratched to shit ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:32:26 2011 No.6821932 >>6821912 >>6821912 I could do it >>6821906 No shit, sherlock.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:36:26 2011 No.6821945

>>6821912
as if any hikki could afford having instant food delivered. Most hikki go out at night to get ramen. I don't go out much (like once or twice a week), and when I do it's nearly always at night to the store to buy crisps or ramen. I don't really consider myself a hikikomori though.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:48:26 2011 No.6821975

I was NEET for five years up until last semester, when I enrolled myself in some college courses. It somehow dealt a large blow to my mental health and ever since passing the classes I found that I have no motivation to do much anything anymore besides lie in bed and post on /jp/. For the 12 hours or so that I'm awake, maybe 9 of those hours are spent in bed posting on /jp/. If I'm out of my bed, I'm on my desktop computer, downloading/watching anime and making a playlist of my favorite episodes to watch on my TV from bed. I can hardly even find the motivation to get out of my room to eat anymore. I used to love going out to different places to eat, or even just get out to get out (even though I was alone) but now it just feels like a waste. I don't know what's happened with my life. I feel like a nervous wreck now for some reason, and some things I notice about myself make me feel like I'm going crazy. When I compare my life now to my life pre-classes, nothing has changed, yet I feel much worse about everything. It's not a self-loathing feeling, or even a sad feeling, but more of a homesick feeling. I feel homesick for how things were even though nothing has really changed. When I think about certain things, they seem so cold and dark and they turn my stomach.

Maybe in the coming months I'll find joy in the things I used to do. I guess I could start with ordering some things online. I used to love tracking the packages as they made their way to my doorstep.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 06:48:26 2011 No.6821976 >>6821945 >Most hikki go out herp

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 08:34:26 2011 No.6822198 >>6821976 It's pretty much impossible to stay indoors 24/7, especially if you don't live with your parents.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 08:49:26 2011 No.6822230 I was institutionalized for a year. I miss being institutionalized. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 08:55:26 2011 No.6822242 >>6822230 You mean a prison? Or was it one of those "residential treatment facility" kinds of places?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 08:57:26 2011 No.6822247 >>6822198 Unless you live in the good part of Europe.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 09:03:26 2011 No.6822259

>>6822247
Especially if you're not a teenager. Here in the Netherlands we get well over 1000 euros/month for being retarded. Considering the cost of living and rent is relatively low here, that leaves you with a lot to spend on whatever the fuck you want without ever having to go outside.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 09:08:26 2011 No.6822264 >>6822259 I wish I could live there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 09:18:26 2011 No.6822280 >>6822242 Nah, not prison. The second one I guess, it was a place for like crazy kids that aren't quite insane yet. Probably the only time when I actually liked people my own age and enjoyed being around other people.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 09:22:26 2011 No.6822296

What is a place that I could go to that's not the army? I'm not smart enough to go to college, and even if I was, the only thing that I could get into for would take years to get a degree in, and more to specialize in a specific field before I could get a job.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 09:33:26 2011 No.6822317 >>6822259 Dutchfriend here, define retarded. Since I was under the impression it's quite hard to get any decent welfare here unless you're blind, mute and miss all 4 of your limbs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 09:34:26 2011 No.6822321 >>6822296 How about the police? It's sort of my backup plan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 09:53:26 2011 No.6822362 >>6822321 Are you kidding? The ideal job for our types, would be something that involves little interaction with other people. So maybe behind the scenes work at a supermarket.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 10:07:26 2011 No.6822389 >>6822362 Of course, but since he was considering the army and college I don't think social interaction is too much of a problem. We pretty much agreed that a guard of sorts is probably the best career.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 10:13:26 2011 No.6822406

>>6822389
Are you sure a typical /jp/ poster could even get accepted for a guard-like position?

No offense, but I don't think people look for Asperger's/autistic/ADHD people for positions like that. Then again, I don't think employers looking for workers of any sort look for people like that, for a guard position or otherwise.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 10:19:26 2011 No.6822418

>>6822406
Nobody looks for Asperger's/autistic/ADHD people for any position, but as a security guard you just have to walk around or watch some monitors or just be present while off in your own thoughts. Depending on your position you might have to give people directions sometimes or whatnot. I wouldn't say it's a social skills heavy job.

I'd say it beats working in any type of service job by far.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 10:19:26 2011 No.6822422

>>6822389
>Of course, but since he was considering the army and college I don't think social interaction is too much of a problem.

I was only considering the army because I have nowhere else to go, though, social interaction isn't a problem(but I prefer to be alone).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 11:22:26 2011 No.6822595 >>6822418 Yeah and if work at night you often can spend most of the time just playing games.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 11:37:26 2011 No.6822639
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>>6822422
If you have a driver's license then become a courier or something where you drive cargo, not something like fedex where you deliver to peoples doors but less social like bulk cargo. Other then signing a form during pick up or drop off there is very little social interaction, its just you in your truck or van. Its what I do, I only work about once a week and make enough while leeching off my parents for food and shelter and no one bothers you on the road. Only downside is I can't watch anime or play video games in my truck but I listen to audio books.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:00:26 2011 No.6822683

It's weird to see a thread like this (or is it? I dont go to this board much). I mean why would you want it, I can see how you might thinks it's awesome, you might think you don't like people much and you love videogames and anime so much you really just want to do it all day but man, I'm telling you right now it's a hellish existence. You'll go insane.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:01:26 2011 No.6822687 Usually NEET/HIkikomori are people that are so intelligent that if they wanted to stop their lifestyle, they could become rich and suceed at business. But, what's the fun in that, I'd better pursue my dreams alone and keep playing Touhou.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:01:26 2011 No.6822688
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>>6822259
>>6822317

I currently live on Dutch welfare, been neeting for about 1.5 years. I faked illness, and get about 1200 euros a month. All it took were 2 assessments with doctors, but they took me a couple of months to pass it.

You generally get directed by psychiatrists, which happened in my case.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:04:26 2011 No.6822693 >>6822688 What illness did you fake?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:04:26 2011 No.6822695 >>6822688 What illness did you fake? Since I doubt I'd even have to fake depression or anything.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:07:26 2011 No.6822702

.>>6822687
> Ussually NEET/Hikikomori are people with mildly high IQs but no emotional or social intelligence and/or crippling phobias who grab and hold onto a million fantasies and illusions to make themselves fill justified and have no sense of the real world what so ever. You wouldn't survive a day in the business world, and you are a complete moron, that was the saddest thing I have ever read in my life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:07:26 2011 No.6822705 This song explains it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ttzOjRiKE It's in japanese thought.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:07:26 2011 No.6822706 Any good way making money online?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:08:26 2011 No.6822711 >>6822702 What's emotional intelligence?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:09:26 2011 No.6822712 >>6822706 Yes my friend let me introduce you to the glorious sca- world of currency trading called Forex!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:11:26 2011 No.6822719 >>6822711 >Implying I know what I'm talking about. Understanding your emotions, or other's emotions, I guess maybe what I'm thinking of would fall under social intelligence? Understanding why you feel a certain way, how you should act about it .

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:14:26 2011 No.6822726 >>6822711 >>6822719 >Emotional intelligence (EI) is the ability, capacity, skill; or, in the case of the trait EI model, a self-perceived ability to identify, assess, and control the emotions of oneself, of others, and of groups.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:16:26 2011 No.6822730
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>>6822695
>>6822693

Autism/schizoid (the latter one is true, but that is something you can diagnose for nearly all NEETs).

Autism is basically a goldmine. The guidelines for diagnosis are really wide. High-functioning autism does not only limit itself to Asperger's (which is already really vague and broad), but you can even aim for PDD-NOS which is a 'fuck if I know but there is something wrong' category. Read up before you go to one of these talk sessions and live to the pattern. Pyschiatrists generally run a certain test method (like Wechsler IQ tests are almost the standard in the field, etc)

Note that as of I think 2008, you can only fall into these special illness welfare plans in my country instead of regular welfare. I need to spend some of that budget on useless psychiatry sessions (which I take twice a month, the only time I go out besides groceries and other necessities).

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:18:26 2011 No.6822733

>>6822726
Hey Sweet I did no what I was talking about.

I suddenly had a thought and wanted to ask, how many of you NEETs and aspiring NEETs have been (mis?)diagnosed with ADHD. I was diagnosed with it at a young age and I've always been a shut-in, prone to depression, and have bad social/emotional intelligence ( I beleive) along with struggling with a lot with concentrating and all the main ADHD stuff ( I think?) .

I've always assumed it's and excuse and a hoax. thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2011 No.6822774 >>6822733 It's an excuse and a hoax.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:45:26 2011 No.6822800

>>6822733
I have not been diagnosed with ADHD. There were some suspicions by my mother but after further investigation that was dropped. I have not been diagnosed by any of the psychiatrists and psychologists I've seen over the years. There were just "guesses", among them SPD and schizophrenia (without the hallucinations, mostly the negative symptoms). But that was still severe enough for me to get money from the government.

I've been a NEET for 3 years now. My funding seems pretty safe so far. I don't plan to stay this way forever but there are still some things to sort out. But I can't tell what will happen in a year. I can't even tell what happened a week ago.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2011 No.6822816

>>6822800
Man, guessing at schizophrenia without hallucinations. That's pretty extreme guessing right there. The medical definition of someone who suffers from schizophrenia is someone who has a constant psychotic episode for 6+ months. It shouldn't be easy to diagnose.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:04:26 2011 No.6822868

I have a therapist and a psychiatrist, and I have ADHD, depression, and social anxiety disorder. Is that enough? And how could I go about getting them to help me get money from the government? I doubt I could just be like "hey, I wanna be a NEET, can you hook me up with some government funding?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:06:26 2011 No.6822877 >>6822868 I have no experience with this but you could mention your parents have trouble funding you now and you're incapable of getting a job like this, what should I do?

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2011 No.6822883

>>6822868
Also forgot to mention that they're legit diagnoses, not faked, and I have a long enough medical history of them that it could be quite convincing for an application for government checks. But I don't officially have anything else, and I'm not sure if just those 3 issues I mentioned would be enough to get me to qualify for financial aid of some form or another.

And I live in the US, by the way.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2011 No.6822922

>>6822816
Well, my situation IS pretty extreme even though I sound ok so it's not all that surprising. I have a long background story including forced hospitalization, drugs and other crap.
I don't know if anything less would suffice to apply for money.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:23:26 2011 No.6822957

If you've done everything said in this thread, OP, and you accept a life of mediocrity based around japanese entertainment and intermittent loneliness, then you will someday be a true NEET.

I just dropped out, currently living in mom's basement, eating ramen, downloading VNs, and playing touhous.

final destination

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:25:26 2011 No.6822966 This thread sickens me... I just can't wrap my mind around someone wanting to become this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:25:26 2011 No.6822969 >>6822966 Maybe you'd feel better on >>>/soc/. This thread is just the usual fare around here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:28:26 2011 No.6822984 >>6822957 Are you happy? And how does your relatives take it?

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:28:26 2011 No.6822986

>>6822957
You summed it up pretty well.

>>6822868
That sounds like it's worth a try. But it depends on your country. In most of western Europe you'd probably get support pretty easily for example. Ask your therapist or psychiatrist about it. They should know how to proceed in your case. And maybe look up that stuff on the Internet for yourself, too. It doesn't hurt to be informed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2011 No.6822997 >>6822969 but I'm not social at all really, I'm probably closer to being a NEET than these people aspiring to be one, and honestly it doesn't feel good. You become prone to depression, and your actually and completely useless. You become sick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:33:26 2011 No.6823012 >>6822997 I act like, and have the same hobbies as many NEETs in this thread but I'm not really happy this way, maybe it's just different because I don't feel like I choose it. I feel more like I am submitting to my fears and/or being selfish.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:33:26 2011 No.6823015 >>6822997 I feel more sick when I have obligations like work or classes. I can't enjoy my free time knowing it's coming up, be it in months, weeks or days.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:33:26 2011 No.6823016 >>6822997 Not everyone is the same. While you feel sick without approval from others and feeling useless, many of us don't even have someone around to disapprove of us anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:36:26 2011 No.6823034 >>6823016 I simply disapprove of myself. It doesn't need to much of a basis in what others think of me. >>6823015 Those things drive me up the wall too, but I'm telling you... you can feel it.. that your wasting away.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:37:26 2011 No.6823038 >>6823015 Exactly what he said. Whenever I have a deadline or some appointment coming up, I'm stressed out and nervous even if it's not anytime soon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:38:26 2011 No.6823048 >>6823015 >>6823038 Same here, my life is pretty much put on hold until the deadline has passed. Only for the next one to arrive. Meanwhile I don't even know what day of the week it is as a NEET. Feels goo- better.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:41:26 2011 No.6823056

>>6823048
>Meanwhile I don't even know what day of the week it is as a NEET.
This is the best part. I never really do anything, but as long as there's the internet it's possible for me to do something and I know I'm much happier than if I had to remember what day it is, or control the times I sleep and wake.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:43:26 2011 No.6823069 >>6823048 >>6823038 >>6823015 I thought I was the only one. It's so bad for me that I can't sleep the night/day before. I just can't take it easy no matter how small the task/appointment might seem.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:44:26 2011 No.6823075

>>6823038
I'm not sure how to go up against this argument personally because I failed through half my highschool career and then got kicked out of Community College for grades because when something stresses me out that way I simply ignore it. I don't meet my deadlines. But of course I wanted to, I didn't do it because its bullshit, anything I turn in is bullshit it doesn't matter. the assigment is bullshit. but I know I really want to do ANYTHING to amaze, to provoke though and actually turn the bullshit into something worthwhile, but instead of doing ANYTHING I do NOTHING but lock myself up and consume as much vidya anime and porn as possible to try and fill this void in me because I act like a fucking weakling and cripple. It's all empty and I don't even know what the fuck I've been typing WTF IS THIS I DON'T EVEN I am just on a random tirade now that makes no sense whatsoever.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:47:26 2011 No.6823087

>>6823069
>>6823056
>>6823048
>>6823038
you know what's really terrifying?

having to make a phone call.

it takes hours to gather the courage to press the numbers, and sit there listening to the odd phone sounds, then hearing some response. then, the conversation doesn't go the way that i mapped out it would... and it only becomes more horrible from there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:50:26 2011 No.6823101 When I was really bad into my hikki phase, the doorbell would terrify me.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:52:26 2011 No.6823110

>>6823087
don't you dare troll this thread.
Also don't map out conversations in your head, I've noticed i makes me insane, I can imagine a conversation for hours, how it could/would go, it's useless, and ussually I get to caught up in the idea of the conversation and I become.. paralyzed.. unable to carry out the actual conversation in any fashion.

I do hate Ordering Pizza, I never really understood the fear but really I can get on a near anxeity attack if I THINK about it. If I don't think about it too much, and just power through it.. I'm always fine, I don't really always understand some of my social fears

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:54:26 2011 No.6823127 >>6823087 I can speak to people just fine in person but calling them or picking up the phone is hell.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:55:26 2011 No.6823130

>>6823101
Sometimes my mom asks me if I'm able to answer the door the next day at a certain time, usually a time I would be asleep. I have to answer it for someone I don't even know, I have to be dressed and everything. I want to tell her I'm not someone housesitting for her convenience but I don't want to be kicked out.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:56:26 2011 No.6823136

>>6823087
My thoughts exactly.
I think phone conversations were what scared me the most, even directly talking to people didn't terrify me as much since I could just make up another persona to deal with them.
But fucking phone calls man, hours and hours of telling to myself "I'll just call [insert random company name here] in 5 minutes"
Pretty sure I would have kill myself long ago because of all the stress if I hadn't become a Hikki.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 13:56:26 2011 No.6823144

Last week was really, really terrible. I received a letter from my landlord (since I pretended to not be home every time he came around) stating that they would be doing a checkup in all units because a water-pipe broke one floor above me. I spent the whole last week cleaning so my condo would look half-way presentable.
And the fuckers still haven't come yet.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:04:26 2011 No.6823177

I'm pretty conflicted. Having a job doesn't make me happier than any NEET, but even assuming money were not an issue I think if I stopped going outside I would slip back into being the type of person that can't handle basic stuff like going to the store. I don't mean to make any negative judgments of anyone here but I do appreciate that I don't have panic attacks over facing cashiers and delivery people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:05:26 2011 No.6823183 >>6823144 Keep cleaning.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:06:26 2011 No.6823188 >>6823177 How did you get that job to begin with?

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:07:26 2011 No.6823196

being a hikikomori is akin to being drug addict really, it's obvious you have a problem and you can't admit it, instead of dealing with reality you throw yourself into this lifestyle of escapism. It's no different than being an alcoholic or being addicted to any drug. your just fueling your depression and social anxietys in a spiral of self destruction

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:09:26 2011 No.6823204 >>6823196 >spiral of self-destruction Sorry, nobody has ever died from Touhou withdrawal or destroyed their liver by playing too many VNs.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:10:26 2011 No.6823209

being a normalfag is akin to being drug addict really, it's obvious you have a problem and you can't admit it, instead of dealing with pointlessness you throw yourself into this lifestyle of glorified reality. It's no different than being an alcoholic or being addicted to any drug. your just fueling your arrogance and social skills in a spiral of wankery

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:12:26 2011 No.6823223 >>6823204 >giving up all social interaction, becoming a leech on loved ones and/or society >not ruining your life makes sense bro

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:14:26 2011 No.6823234 >>6823188 My dad, mainly. He has some minor "connections" in local politics, and it's a government job. I did have to fuck up several interviews before I got the one for this job right, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:16:26 2011 No.6823246 >>6823209 but hikikomori are just submitting to the same things in a different way, it's like two extremes. I'm not saying be normal, but don't fucking lump all people together, make a friend or two it will save your sanity ilol'd hard though

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:16:26 2011 No.6823248 >>6823223 Everyone leeches of society. Companies leech millions every year in corporate welfare, for example. That's far more than any one NEET. Avoiding social interaction just saves you headaches, nothing good ever comes from talking to other people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:17:26 2011 No.6823257 Do you have rich parents? Y/N Are your parents willing to support you while you do nothing? Y/N That's how I'm a neet.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:17:26 2011 No.6823258

>>6823177
I'm kind of in this situation a little. I find the routine of work time-consuming and annoying, but I like how I'm able to do more stuff now. But, part of the reason I eventually became a shutin before in the first place was because I just didn't enjoy doing stuff other people find enjoyable, and I still don't. Pretending and socializing with people doesn't drain me as much as it used to, but now instead of tiring it's just really boring.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:18:26 2011 No.6823265 >>6823257 Both no. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:21:26 2011 No.6823283 >>6823257 >Do you have rich parents? Partially >Are your parents willing to support you while you do nothing? My mom is.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:22:26 2011 No.6823296

Progress matters, together, with other people, it's easier to make progress (usually). being a hikikomori is being completely stagnant, the absence of progress, the ultimate submission to the thought that nothing matters. It's a miserable existence i've been there, your refusing to grow, to let there be progress for even yourself. Fear of change. Fear of people. Fear of everythng. your spineless. how could you let yourself accept such an existence?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:24:26 2011 No.6823304 >>6823296 Because I'm enjoying myself and I have no regrets and this is the only path.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:24:26 2011 No.6823309 >>6823296 Stop posting this stuff over and over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:25:26 2011 No.6823317 >>6823296 >your Why should I listen to such a stupid normal?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:27:26 2011 No.6823328 >>6823304 >>6823309 >>6823317 Samefag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:30:26 2011 No.6823349 >>6823317 you're miserable and wish you had everything the people you hate had and you hide from this fact. Also you're a liar :3

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:30:26 2011 No.6823352

>>6823296
Your attitude disgusts me and it's a primary reason why I can't cope with college. Group attitudes, teamwork, team spirit, group projects constantly.

Never once were any of the people I was forced to work with useful at all, I end up doing most if not everything in a project because other people don't or do awful work.

Even friends have never been useful in any situation, they always came to me for help.

Alone and lovin' it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:30:26 2011 No.6823353 >>6823296 You gotta understand that some people don't have the same mindset as you do and enjoy/care about different things. Shocking I know.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:31:34 2011 No.6823358 [DELETED]

it's getting worse and worse.

lately, on the internet, i've found it impossible to converse with people because... my opinions are just stupid. someone says something to me, and... i just can't respond. so many posts have fell victim to the backspace button because i knew that any input i would give would actually harm the thread

and now my real life skills have become so crippled that i cannot speak. i've invented a way to circumvent conversation by keeping a little card with me with the word 'deaf' written on it, allowing an escape from any conversation... i know that this strategy cannot work forever, and that someday i will have to go out and find a job, but there has to be another way. someone like me should live and die under the radar, to never bring burden upon another human being for the remainder of their existence.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:33:26 2011 No.6823365

>>6823352
I believe being anti-social is depressing but it's not really the main problem, if that's how you feel then get soemthing done on your own. The problem is doing nothing. and most people adopt this lifestyle not because they hate teamwork, but because they are afraid of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:35:26 2011 No.6823377 Get a job in construction if you can't be a NEET.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:36:26 2011 No.6823384 >>6823296 What's the point of gaining skills when all jobs are preformed by child sweatshop workers in China?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:36:26 2011 No.6823385 >>6823358 faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:40:26 2011 No.6823417 >>6823385 Oh wow you actually made him delete his post, I hope you are proud of yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:43:26 2011 No.6823433 >>6823417 holy fucking balls I feel so bad ;_;, I was just joshing bro come back, your input is important I want to help you

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:46:26 2011 No.6823442

>>6823352

I have this exact problem in uni now. If it were up to me I would have preferred to be a neet but my family basically told me "hurr you are Indian go be doctor durr" and would probably kick me out if I didn't go med school. I hate the constant teamwork, other people pretending to give a shit about the most trivial things and the whole socialising bollocks that everyone does at uni. I wouldn't be so bothered if they didn't try and force me into it; you would have thought after the number of times I have told them I would prefer to stay at home and chill than go out and get pissed that they'd understand by now. The main thing is that other peopl assume you are missing out on a important life experience by not going out and attempting to fuck whatever is in your eyeline. Hopefully after med school is over I'll have enough money to engage in my neet activities.

I do have to say that despite the vast majority of fucking wankers there are at uni, there are some decent people there as well who are pretty reliable friends.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:46:26 2011 No.6823444 >>6823384 Learning Chinese will be important so that you can be the taskmaster when those children complain about 'horrible working conditions' and 'starvation'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:51:26 2011 No.6823461 >>6823358 Just talk to people, write your opinions and what you think. Nobody gives a shit if you fail or want to harm them on internets. Also imageboards is social dead end, use non-anonymous servicces like irc, jabber, twitter, tumblor.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:53:26 2011 No.6823472

it's getting worse and worse.

lately, on the internet, I've found it impossible to converse with people because... my opinions are just stupid. someone says something to me, and... I just can't respond. So many posts have fell victim to the backspace button because i knew that any input i would give would actually harm the thread

and now my real life skills have become so crippled that I cannot speak. I've invented a way to circumvent conversation by keeping a little card with me with the word "deaf" written on it, allowing an escape from any conversation... i know that this strategy cannot work forever, and that someday i will have to go out and find a job, but there has to be another way. someone like me should live and die under the radar, to never bring burden upon another human being for the remainder of their existence.

>take that you faggot, consider the pose undeleted fucker, no hiding this time... we will face it together ;_;

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:54:26 2011 No.6823482

>>6823358

Just learn not to give a shit about what other people think about what you say. No one is going to agree with everything that anyone says. It doesn't matter on the internet and it doesn't matter in real life either.

Although I must say, nice idea with the whole deaf card thing. Although chances are at some point your reflexes will fail you and you might jump to a sudden noise, better be careful bro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:55:26 2011 No.6823489 >>6823472 Wear headphones. They don't have to be plugged into anything, but I always use them for plausible deniability if I intentionally ignore someone because I don't want to converse with them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:57:26 2011 No.6823496 >>6823472 Deleting it was funny though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:58:26 2011 No.6823503 >>6823496 ilol'd but I felt so bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 14:58:26 2011 No.6823506 >>6823472 ive lost count of how many times i rewrite posts over and over again just to not post them at all. also >keeping a little card with me with the word "deaf" written on it and then someone comes along that knows signlanguage

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:01:26 2011 No.6823516

Out of the people here who either are NEETs or wish to become NEETs, why is it that NEET/hikki lifestyle is appealing to you? Do you like anime, Touhou, figurines, etc. so much that you never want to do anything else, or is it that you really dislike people and just play Touhou and all as a way to pass the time when you're by yourself?

Personally, I wish I could be a NEET because I have extreme anxiety and agoraphobia. /jp/-related hobbies are secondary. My parents will only support me (slightly) if I'm in school and working, so I go to college and have a part-time job there through their student work program. I have to go to the store to pick up food and supplies a couple times a week, and go to uni 4 times a week for school+work, and it scares the shit out of me. I wear a coat, sunglasses, hat, headphones, etc. to try and hide myself, which makes it slightly better, but still awful. I absolutely hate it. Every single time. I never get used to it, even though everyone says "you'll get over your social anxiety once you spend more time around people". Bull fucking shit. Normal people have no fucking clue what it's like, but they try to sympathize anyway.

It can be paralyzing or send me into somewhat of a panic at times. And that makes it even worse... I try to keep calm so that no one notices that I'm freaking out, but sometimes it's hard for me to act natural. I shake a lot, start to sweat, my heart rate increases rapidly, have trouble formulating even basic sentences, have trouble doing basic things like putting a folder in my backpack, can't walk straight, my voice trembles when I speak, and stuff like that. Sometimes other people will notice and ask "hey, are you okay?" and then I'll think to myself, "oh fuck, I attracted attention", and then slowly reply with "y-yeah, um... I'm uh... fuh... ine... yeah" and then think to myself "god, you fucking idiot, why can't you even say a fucking sentence without messing up and looking like an idiot".

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:04:26 2011 No.6823529

>>6823516
And then I regret the whole situation for the rest of the day, and think to myself how I could have done it better, and what the other person probably thinks about me now. Then I think of ways to try and avoid that person in the future since I think they probably think I'm a retard or something because of the stupid way I acted around them. But more often than not I can't avoid the people I mess up around.

I hate being around people in any environment. I dread having to call people, or answering calls from other people. I spend hours and hours writing and revising e-mails before sending them (since I have to contact various people on occasion), thinking about what the other person might think about what I wrote, and if it sounded awkward or dumb, and if it was polite enough, but not too polite, and if I was brief enough, but not so brief that I didn't include important details, etc... I run these hypothetical scenarios through my head almost all the time, and it drives me insane. Often times I just delete everything I wrote and if the person asks about it later I'll tell them I forgot to respond to them. For some reason, phone calls and e-mails seem to be worse than one-to-one conversations with people. Though being in an area with a lot of people is worse than more impersonal means of communication. And whether I'm talking on the phone or face-to-face, I talk very quietly, and people usually ask me to speak up. But I'm too shy, so it's really hard, but having them mention that I'm too quiet makes me feel even more embarrassed. It especially sucks when everyone around you is aware that you're the quiet hikki/NEET type of person, even if that's not the label they'd use. But to them, you're "one of those people". And then they think poorly of you in their heads while pretending to be respectful to you to your face. They don't even pity you, they just think "wow, what a fucking failure".

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:06:26 2011 No.6823538

>>6823529

I want to escape from all this and just be a NEET, but I haven't been able to get funding as of yet, and maybe not ever, even in the future. I like anime, Touhou, and all that jazz, but more than wanting to spend time on my interests, I really just want to escape from the outside world. I wouldn't mind only living off a minimal amount of money each month, as long as I could be by myself and never have to interact with people, except maybe to buy food and sign for packages that get delivered. I would love even the bare minimum amount to get by.

Is it too much to ask for enough money per month to get by? There's tons more money wasted on less important things, and no one thinks anything of it. But apparently NEETs are leeches and should just magically change their ways and become normal instantaneously. Because of course they can control their mental health and their crippling fears, right? Give me a fucking break.

I don't want to be a leech or a freeloader. I wish I could work a normal job like everyone else. But I just can't keep up what I'm currently doing. I would rather die. I'm only alive still because I'm too much of a pussy to kill myself. If I had the balls to off myself, I would.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:07:26 2011 No.6823547

>>6823516
this is me now brotato chip, but i'm telling you it's better than being a neet, as much as being in public makes me miserable I truly prefer it to wasting away literally doing nothing. I daydream all day, and I pay attention to the music on my headphones instead of thinking of how bad the situation is.. that helps. do what you can to make a friend, when your with someone your comfortable with.. society just seems like background noise, and not as terrifying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:13:26 2011 No.6823576 I don't want to be a NEET. I want to be a little girl.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:19:26 2011 No.6823601

>>6823538
that is the most terrifying thing I've ever read. I hate you because the only thing I know about you is the same as the part of myself I hate most. You're pathetic. I was the same as you. I joined the military because I got kicked out of community college because I couldn't bring myself to turn any work in, submitting my work to be graded by someone else is just as terrifying as any social situation, to present myself was impossible. I got kicked out and became a NEET but I hated the feeling of being one more than anything I've ever felt, I talked to no one, completely anti-social, I did nothing. created nothing. the absence of progress. So I joined the military because I knew once I was in I would be forced by outside forces to grow, to learn, to adapt. I regret the choice mostly except one thing. during training I made friends. People who got my humor, people who backed me up, people who made me smile and I noticed that I didn't care if I made a fool out of myself around these people, why the fuck do i care what random passerby's think if it makes me or my buddies laugh. Make friends with someone who gets you, and has your back. a best friend. how to do that I don't know. currently I have been stationed away from all the friends I made and it's hell again. I've acted little social but everyday less and less, I've spent this whole weekend in front of my pc. I thought I could make friends again, but my new "co-workers" just don't seem to get me like the buddies I made.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:39:26 2011 No.6823678 >>6823538 Someone should talk to sudo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:42:26 2011 No.6823691 >>6823678 >I'm glad I could help you out. Everyone just needs to find their inner disability.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:47:26 2011 No.6823707

>>6823516
>Out of the people here who either are NEETs or wish to become NEETs, why is it that NEET/hikki lifestyle is appealing to you? Do you like anime, Touhou, figurines, etc. so much that you never want to do anything else, or is it that you really dislike people and just play Touhou and all as a way to pass the time when you're by yourself?

Because at my job (gov't worker who posted previously), there's a lot of pressure to be a kind of person I'm not. Ambitious, dedicated, social, active, friendly, "normal" interests/hobbies too. I conceal my powerlevel but this leaves me with nothing to talk about (not that blathering on about anime and VNs to people who aren't interested is a good idea). There's just too much of a rift between me and the people around me to really connect, so the only thing I feel is pressure and anxiety.

And I have no personal/emotional investment in my job, so even when it requires mental effort it all feels like pointless busywork.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:48:26 2011 No.6823714

>>6823516
>>6823529
>>6823538

There's tons of people like this on here (at least, there seems to be anyway). You seriously just have to stop giving a shit about anything, and I mean literally anything. No one gives a damn about you or anything you do and say, people are always going to assume to worst about you, no one truly cares wether you live or die to see tomorrow. If you truly believe this then you can also stop caring about how everyone sees you, it doesn't matter at the end of the day. I personally find that once you get into that mindset you stop caring about the little things like not being able to speak to people or having to be around other people, and you can finally be yourself without feeling like a freak. So what you fap to 2D, no one gives a shit. So what if you have unspeakable fetishes, no one gives a damn about it. Whenever you think someone is looking at you or talking behind your back, they are, but so what, they aren't anyone important or special so who gives a fuck what they think. Apparently it's defeatist thinking but it helps you get by if you need it. I am a 19 year old kissless, hugless, dateless virgin who is 6'2" and 125kg, have no sense of humour, don't drink, don't smoke, don't have any intention of ever getting laid and have very few friends, and even though everyone would think my position is a shit one I think it feels good man.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 15:55:26 2011 No.6823753

>>6823516
>>6823529
>>6823538
I think I have a somewhat lesser version of this. I don't have panic attacks, I just get nervous and reclusive. But the bit about revising emails over and over and dreading sending them is something I deal with all the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:03:26 2011 No.6823783 >>6823714 I like the point of view to a point but I have a personal weakness that interferes with it, I'm a hopeless romantic and want a few good friends or two, and a lover.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:13:26 2011 No.6823837

>>6823783

Unfortunately you'll need to give up on them. Somehow I have managed to have a few good friends, I think they like my brutal honesty and misanthropic view of the world because it makes them feel better. Romance however is very unlikely. I knew from about the age of 12 that I would never get a girlfriend/marry/engage in any relationship so I never bothered. It worked out well enough for me but who knows if it works for other people. I have to say, dealing with never having a love interest is made easier when you consider all the crap you would have to put up with whilst getting essentially nothing in return.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:16:26 2011 No.6823858

>>6823753
I often delay emails or calls for a long time, often until it's late. I can deal with people a little easier face to face unless they're trying to do some bullshit casual smalltalk to me. In which case I go silent because I don't really care and it becomes awkward.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:52:26 2011 No.6824032

>>6823783
>>6823837
As someone that has had a pretty long relationship and gotten laid and stuff before (though I am far from a normalfag), I can tell you that never having any intimate relationship is leagues better than having the only kinds of relationships that people like us could ever possibly have (awkward ones).

Being a permavirgin is a billion times better than having a girlfriend and then eventually having awkward sex. Trust me. And don't even ask how a pseudo-NEET got a girlfriend and got laid, it's a really long and complicated story.

As a super shy semi-hikkikomori, I always got nervous as fuck during sex... so nervous I couldn't even fucking cum. On more than one occasion. My girlfriend would ask stuff like "are you almost done yet?" and then eventually she'd just want to cuddle since she could tell I wasn't gonna cum. And it's not like she was enjoying it too much either, since it's not like you can get super hard or have good rhythm when you're extremely nervous.

Eventually she cheated with me with some guido faggot, probably because I was a really shy motherfucker who failed at sex and had close to no social skills and she eventually realized that she wasn't gonna be satisfied with me. And if you're the kind of hopeless romantic that thinks "but there's more to a relationship than sex", well don't kid yourself, it's gonna come up eventually. And even the non-intimate stuff can be hard for people like us. But even if you get to the point where you're really comfortable and happy and shit around her, you'll still be nervous as fuck during sex. You can even get to the point in a relationship where you can casually say "I love you" to each other, but if you fail at sex, none of that means much. Women care about sex a whole lot, and in many cases it can take precedence over other seemingly more important things.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 16:55:26 2011 No.6824043

>>6824032
It doesn't even matter if you're not ugly or fat and don't have a small dick, if you're the kind of person that posts in these threads and relates to a lot of this stuff, odds are that you too will get anxious/nervous during intimacy.

It's the most awkward thing ever. Everrrrr. You will never forget that kind of thing. And it won't be a good memory. Far from it.

And you know what makes it even worse? Girls talk to their friends about fucking EVERYTHING. So if you, as a NEET/hikki, somehow get a girlfriend and then eventually fuck, all her friends are gonna know about how you fail in bed. And they'll all know how big you are too.

This kind of shit will haunt you for the rest of your life.

Or maybe I'm just projecting. Who knows, maybe you guys will be more lucky if you ever have relationships. But the point is that there are worse things than being a forever alone kissless/sexless loser, so don't feel so bad about your situations. You could be even lower -- a loser who's had awkward sex that gets humiliated and betrayed because of it.

Bitches and whores. All of them. Even the seemingly nice ones. Don't you fucking forget it.

Fuck, I am such a loser. But at the very least I can warn my fellow /jp/sies about 3DPD. Stick to 2D, comrades. It's all for the best.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:13:26 2011 No.6824116 File: 165 KB, 400x400, why the fuck am i reading.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6824043 not sure if troll or foreveralone.jpg well 23y virgin so guess it doesn't make difference for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 17:20:26 2011 No.6824156 >>6824116 I'm not a troll, just a loser... just trying to let you guys know that being a permavirgin isn't the worst thing in the world

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:06:26 2011 No.6824377 >>6824043 Did you try faking orgasms?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:19:26 2011 No.6824427 >>6824377 That might actually work if you wear a condom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:39:26 2011 No.6824525 /jp/ not give a fly fuck taken it easy!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:55:26 2011 No.6824616 >>6824032 This is why you have to go for girls who've been raped during childhood and freeze up at the prospect of sex.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 18:56:26 2011 No.6824622

>>6824043
>>6824156
You're right in some ways and for some people, and wrong in others.

You're right in that what we pretty much really want is 1. Actual sex or 2. Someone to enjoy being around/in love with, and from a results perspective you haven't gotten any closer to that than we did.

But you need to consider the following before making statements like those:
1. For whatever reason, you were deemed worthy of sex by a member of the opposite sex(sounds to me like she even legitimately tried to make the relationship work). You realize that there are those of us who they refuse to even touch?
2. You now at least know what a vagina feels like(and probably several other forms of sex). You can also say to people in the future without a second of hesitation that you're not a virgin(many of us are going into our 30's, by the way).
3. You didn't go ED, it seems. There is medication you can and could have taken for your problems.
4. You've simply gotten to see and experience things that every normal human experiences and sees which we will never be able to do except vicariously. Even if you go on some angsty diatribe about how it's better "never to have had anything at all," the fact that the experience is an advantage will never change.

Different members of us will envy different parts of the above. Personally, I envy you for at least having the looks for a female to stomach you. If you were one of those couples who only got together because you thought you were on the same level as each other and were willing to lower your standards(i.e. those couples of obese people), then I take that back.

But yes, as I stated at first, in terms of the overall goal, you're no luckier than we are(although you're now more likely to achieve it than us).

Not that I myself really want anything to do with real women, or people, anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:08:26 2011 No.6824683 >>6824622 you obvious want it, you just don't trust it. or them.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:20:26 2011 No.6824740

>>6824683
Your definition of want is a little too simple.

What I want isn't something that exists. So yes, I'd want it if it did, but it doesn't. Thus I don't really want anything to do with real people.

Yes, even just sex is something I'd want if I had the definition of my "attractive woman" to do it with, but once you've been to the bottom, even your basic thought processes start avoiding that line of thought. I still think about it every once in awhile, but it's more of a feeling of dull pointlessness rather than despair now, so I can in effect say I don't really care in any way that affects my daily mood.

You'd probably like to fly, right? It may have even been emotionally painful for you to think about how you'd never be able to fly when you were a kid. Even if you'd still technically like to fly, do you still think about it feeling heavy hearted? No(if you're not... strange). It's the same thing for me regarding the subject at hand, although that might not be imaginable to you.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 19:28:26 2011 No.6824772

>>6824740
>What I want isn't something that exists. So yes, I'd want it if it did, but it doesn't. Thus I don't really want anything to do with real people.
And I'm not referring just to 2d here, by the way. Ideals, my perceptions of humanity/reality from youth, etc.

Anonymous Mon Jan 17 21:40:26 2011 No.6825385

I've had chances to lose my virginity. I've had a few girls take interest in me, not often, but over the last couple of years of my life it's happened, but I didn't do it because I was scared, so I do believe that I could be thrown into a horrible awkwardness when I do go through with it, but surly that will go away, it can become not such a big deal. right? I might decide to try and lose it soon. the other week I payed for a hooker for me and a some pals. I was to go last out of three, I didn't care about getting sloppy thirds or stupid shit like that, I just wanted to go through with it but I ended up only letting her give me a blowjob because I had sobered up by the time my turn came around, I'm thinking of doing it again but I'm not sure if I should lose it that way, I just feel like I need it lifted off my shoulders, if it's not my first time I won't feel as bad about it maybe?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 02:10:26 2011 No.6827443 File: 65 KB, 227x219, 1280860321817.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thread has too many words.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:00:26 2011 No.6830736 File: 170 KB, 810x424, word cloud.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I made a word cloud of all the text in this thread. The size of the words indicates how frequently they were used.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:06:26 2011 No.6830770 File: 786 KB, 1000x1000, autism.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6827443

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:08:26 2011 No.6830779 >>6830736 >Not a single -reported- Really?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:08:26 2011 No.6830783 You forgot to tell us if the blowjob was worth it. also inb4 >pals

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:09:26 2011 No.6830789

I lost my virginity when I was in a relationship at 17. That was nearly 7 years ago and I haven't come close again since (and that relationship started online and I moved overseas to meet her). I'd need to find a girl as terrified as I am, but, sex doesn't really interest me anymore in any case. It is icky.

One of my friends is a normal and a really popular guy. He's a dealer, he goes to clubs etc but he still has some funny eccentricities, watches anime sometimes, he's even asked me where to obtain VNs. My figs and dolls freaked him out a bit but anyways, even with a popular, drug dealing normal he didn't lose his virginity until 22 and he was really scared. Ahh, maybe he's not as much of a normal as I think or am making out. I don't know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:12:26 2011 No.6830807 >>6830789 That's enough, Eksopl.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:16:26 2011 No.6830837 >>6830779 I limited it to the top 200 words. Including everything would be annoying, since less interesting stuff like articles or prepositions would show up more as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:22:26 2011 No.6830868 >>6819692 Figurine display case stolen from a store.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:28:26 2011 No.6830897

Is /jp/ really the haven for NEET? I came here daily in the first days, but I eventually stopped, thinking it was just /a/ with less traffic.
I spend a lot of time on /r9k/, there were a a large number of shut-ins on there, but they all seemed like normalfags. They thought they were shut-ins after a week of not going outside.
I haven't left my house in months, and I haven't had a friend online or off in years. I'm kind of feeling foreveralone again without my brobots to keep me company all day.
Am I welcome here? ;_; /a/ is my other daily, and I play a lot of VNs. I've only played one Touhou, though... But I have all of the music and I listen to it a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:29:26 2011 No.6830905 >>6830897 Don't worry, you're welcome here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:32:26 2011 No.6830926 File: 111 KB, 737x1043, Hanako3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6830905 You have no idea how happy I am to hear that. Now to commence a year of lurking before I feel comfortable enough to post again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:33:26 2011 No.6830931 >>6830897 You're welcome so long as you don't shitpost, yRan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:38:26 2011 No.6830966 >>6830926 I forgot to mention you have to play the Touhous now. Then you'll achieve full membership. Oh, and lurk more. >>6830931 I don't think that's Ryan, Ryan has got too butthurt to reply like that anymore.

>>	yRan !mHBuh/tvfE Tue Jan 18 18:40:41 2011 No.6830984 >>6830966 How do you know I'm butthurt? Why do you think I am? I have no reason to be butthurt at all. In fact idgaf what people on /jp/ say about me anyway. :) It's just the internet, let's just chill and shut the fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:42:26 2011 No.6831003 >>6830984 >create multiple trips >samefag it up Yeah, you are so not butthurt

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 18:43:26 2011 No.6831011 >>6830931 See, Ryan's basically exploding with internet hurt, the other guy isn't.

>>	yRan !mHBuh/tvfE Tue Jan 18 19:03:41 2011 No.6831159 File: 142 KB, 784x591, 1295158078105.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6831011 If I'm being "butthurt" then I wouldn't use the ":)" emote. Think about it. Now stop ruining the thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 19:04:26 2011 No.6831166 >>6831011 Just stop responding, no reason to ruin a good thread.

>>	yRan !mHBuh/tvfE Tue Jan 18 19:12:38 2011 No.6831215 >>6831166 Agreed. He could have just ignored my first post in this thread. If someone hates me they should just ignore me and everything is going to be alright, ie I won't have to own anyone, jk lol :3

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 19:26:26 2011 No.6831289 >>6819692 God that's scary. Who can bear to live like that, with no goals or ambition? I'd be bored out of my mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 19:38:26 2011 No.6831336 >>6831289 Goals = To become a NEET and live in peace and harmony till eternity Ambitions? Will you now leave this board and get back to /soc/

>>	Sudo !Tohsaka8ks Tue Jan 18 19:38:26 2011 No.6831342 >>6831289 >Who can bear to live like that, with no goals or ambition? I've been doing it for over 9 years now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 19:41:26 2011 No.6831358 >>6831342 Someone needs you. >>6823678

>>	Sudo !Tohsaka8ks Tue Jan 18 19:43:26 2011 No.6831366 >>6831358 He said he didn't want to be a leech or a freeloader, though.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 19:48:26 2011 No.6831393

>>6831289

Ever hear of Hedonism or Epicureanism? They're schools of philosophy that assume pleasure - in any form you desire - is the ultimate goal in life. To achieve a state of what is refereed to as "ataraxia" - meaning "a lucid state, characterized by freedom from worry or any other preoccupation".

Goals are fairly arbitrary and ultimately useless. Anything and everything you do in society serves nothing more than to fuel a capitalistic civilization. That is what is truly depressing. That is why NEETs (at least some) don't give a fuck; the world is a contradictory place and any happiness you achieve probably isn't real (even if you think it is).

>>	Houraisan Kaguya !NEATnUrmu2 Tue Jan 18 20:20:26 2011 No.6831527 >>6831289 It's not so bad, boredom's a problem, but you can get used to anything eventually.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 22:34:26 2011 No.6832395

>>6831366
I don't necessarily want to be a leech, but I'll have to be, since I really can't deal with being around other people.

I don't really know what the other person meant, but if you have any helpful info on becoming a NEET, I would appreciate it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 22:38:26 2011 No.6832428 File: 19 KB, 325x244, 325px-L_91a1411e3548b26578cc2858a0d7038f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Try squatting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 18 22:40:26 2011 No.6832436 >>6832428 I wouldn't recommend it. Liable to get eaten by giant space bugs.

Eori Tue Jan 18 22:44:26 2011 No.6832474
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Damn, I read this entire thread. Glad to know theres people out there going through the same shit.

>>6831393

>They're schools of philosophy that assume pleasure - in any form you desire - is the ultimate goal in life

Makes sense. I did'nt become depressed until I realized that I was in no condition to maintain my shut-in lifestyle. Thus, no more pleasure for me.

I think we all need to find the right balance between hikki, and functioning member of society in order to maintain our paradise for as long as possible.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 22:49:26 2011 No.6832504
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Here is my advice as someone who has lived as a jobless NEET for 7 years, on his own.

Get yourself checked out by a psychiatrist. Start by saying you're depressed, then move on to anxiety and social issues. Even if you don't have such problems (you probably do if you're posting on /jp/), you can fake them enough to get on medications. Act like they don't work, and you can't find a job no matter how hard you try. Eventually they will start to, maybe, think you have severe social anxiety disoder, some form of autism spectrum disorder or sometging else. Apply for unemployment or social security and you may get it.

I have a diagnosis of severe social anxiety disorder as well as PDD-NOS (type of autism, but not as bad) and I get $850 a month from the government (Canada). It's way more than enough to live on in this case.

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 23:13:26 2011 No.6832624

>>6823442
I was actually thinking of going to med school. Is it really that bad? It can't be worse than bureaucratic corporations can it? My dad always told me to go to there, being a doctor himself, but I just went with the subject I was best at (maths) assuming I'd just automatically get into a cushy finance job. Well apparently it seems hardly any company wants people with actual technical skills, just teamwork and personality bullshit, so that plan doesn't seem to be panning out.

I have the grades for med school, and I really would find it interesting to study, but I really should have gone years ago... so behind...

Anonymous Tue Jan 18 23:24:26 2011 No.6832682

>>6824043
I got my shit together, learnt Japanese, and found out I can socialise much better in that language than English.

Got a Japanese girlfriend and there's no awkwardness (tons with western girls on the other hand), just need to find a job to sponsor a spouse visa...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 04:20:26 2011 No.6833778 >>6832682 And then you woke up.

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:07:26 2011 No.6833848

Ah shit, I'm 18, left school in July and have been a NEET for about 6 months now, I spend nights awake, and days asleep. My parents want me to get a job, and I try, but I generally just freak out. My old friends only talk to me because they pity me. I feel like eternity is stretching out before me. How can I escape this?

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:08:26 2011 No.6833849

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=JP&feature=related&hl=ja&v=8D7IYUAa7Zs
Related

1: It hurts to catch sun rays after a long while.
3: Just an ordinary/simple sound sounds like a big noise.
6: You don't get fat than you imagine because while you don't move your
body and consume little calories, you don't have much appetite.
8:>>6 You naturally come to have a meal once a day without feeling
hungry.
15: Try to pay much attention to whether you are wearing an appropriate
clothes even just when you go to a convenience store.
17: Scared of mornings to come.
18: Always shut curtains and keep sunlights from coming in.
Number unknow: When I was a real hikikomori, I didn't catch rays for as
long as one year. It's miracle that I recovered to the point where I
feel comfortable with bathing in sunlights...
30: >>18 Smae here...
28: Just a casual walk at night makes your back and knees wabble.
48: >>28 That's exactly the case with me. You get less interested in
weather forcast.
31: When you go outside after a long while, you feel like as if you'd
just got out of a jail.
32: When you wake up in the daytime, you think "I'll sleep a little
bit more" and when you wake up at night, you think "It's about time
to get up..."
38: Even though it's cold outside already, you go out wearing light clothing
without realizing change in season.
44:>>38 That... That happens...

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:08:26 2011 No.6833850

I'm not a NEET (Japanese Studies at university), even though I very much feel like I did back in the days now that I don't have classes until February.

I get money from the government because I'm a student in the socialist welfare state that is Denmark, so I can't complain about that.

Now that I see you guys talking about social intimacy and all that, I remember why I've been coming here all along.
I can talk to people and appear normal (I mostly talk to the girls in my shared kitchen), but if they get too close, I get kind of weirded out, so I tend to avoid their barrages as smoothly as I can.
They know I'm weird and that I don't go out and such, but they're really nice about it.

Watching movies and eating cake in the kitchen on Sundays together with them is really nice, and I guess they're hoping to "normalize" me a bit.
I think at least two of the girls plan on taking me with them to watch that "Black Swan" movie about ballet, and since I've told them that I don't do shit all day every day, they'll probably ask me to come.

23, virgin, a little chubby, small penis complex, etc., but with them just being nice to me, I'll manage no matter how hard I get friendzoned or how many times I'll have to look at their computers and get "paid" food.
One of them beats the shit out of me in PS2 games as well.

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:09:26 2011 No.6833851

>>6833849
Number unknown: I've lost the track of changes in seasons because of a long
period of shut-in life and I've go out heavily-clothed even in warm weather in
spring.
45: It's true that your vocal cord gets weak. I think my voice was lower
when I was a middle school student.
46: You forget how to vocalize.
47: It's extremely painful to walk in a corwd.
55: You stop looking yourselves in a mirror. You look at yourselves reflected
in a mirror after one year and wonder if the face in the mirror is sure
that of yours.
61:When outside, you feel inferiority complex towards unspecific people.
66: You come to have trouble in vocalizing.
Number unknown: I've caught a cold and stayed at home for the whole week.
When one week passed, I couldn't speak well. When you shut in, you don't
speak.
68: You feel uneasy about other people's eyes.
69: You come to find it hard to speak something in mind and you look weird,
struggling to say it.
70: You lose the sense of time. You become clueless about what day it is
today.
72: Boy, these comments left by hikikomori is full of reality. They reflect
hikikomori's real situatiuons.
86:>>72 I couldn't agree with you more. These posts reflect all of my
hikikomori experience as it is.
73: When you go out, you feel dizzy. Just a short walk cause muscle pains
the next day.
75: You feel uneasy about the way you walk.
77: You reacknowledge that the world functions without you.
83: Just the sound of doorbell scares you to death.
90: The sound of ringtone has almost the same effect of bomb exlosion.
91: You feel inferiority complex even towards your pet. Before you stroke
him/her, you pause and wonder if a person like me is worth stroking him.
97: When you are forced to go out in the daytime, you feel dizzy because of
brightness and pressures you feel. If at night, relatively OK.

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:11:26 2011 No.6833855

>>6833851
104: I dream of you playing with my friends. I wonder why because
I decided that I don't need any friends any more.
125: >>104 You feel like crying when you wake up after such dreams.
In dreams like that, people you may be able to become friends with
or you want to become friends with appear. That's so tough.
Number unknown: >>125 Same here. In my case, friends I used to hang out
with appear in my dream.
115: You feel peaceful on rainy days.
133: If you try to speak something after a long while, you can't speak well.
Once you start laughing, you can't stop it. Plus the way you laugh is weird.
138: All these posts are so compelling that I cried.
142: A lot more hikikomori in this board than I imagined. lololol
146: You get hungry--->You open refrigerator----> you found nothing to eat
there--->You try to sleep or you surf the Internet.
154: One day passes really quickly. Probably today, too. lol
Sorry for being worthless.
185: Try to make my surroundings as if it were late at night.
207: You are annoyed by rays coming in from gaps between curtain and wall,
so you put corrugated boards over the gaps tp prevent rays from coming in.
226: You try write down a message you get over the phone but find out that
you forget how to write kanji characters.
242: Your skin color is like that of fluorescent lamp.
265: You realize your muscles are getting weak. I found myself having
trouble holding NINTENDO 64 controller with GB pack inserted.
282: I realized that most of hikikomori are a kind of people who can't
live a social life.
Number unknown: We are a kind of people who can't get out of this situation.
289:>>282 Why don't you start doing a part-time job?
Number unknown: I know. I understand that in my head but when it comes to
taking action, I'm scared. I know I sound like making an excuse, though...

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:13:26 2011 No.6833859

>>6833855
Number unknown: SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY
317: >>305 I'm scared of that type of question so I can't go to a barber shop.
353: Your eyes are always those of women who's just been raped.
375: You research about the ways to get profit from stock exchange market or foreign
currencies exchanges, but you end up knowing only someone whon knows the
way to make profits can survive.
411: You start to get less interested in buying things (you want.)
423: You groom yourself and wear nice clothes to go out but all
of a sudden, you feel like you don't go out and changes clothes to
the one you wear in your room again.
461: You feel sorry for your parents being nice to you.
473: >>461 I'm too sorry for my parents smile at me.
474: When I think it's about time to get out of my hikikomori situation,
I'm scared of eyes.
Number unknown: People around me ask if I'm OK, worrying about me, but
that's just painful to me.
509: I feel peaceful on Saturdays and Sundays because I kind of think that everybody doesn't work on these days so I have a right to have a rest on these days, too.

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:26:26 2011 No.6833881

as a girl, I don't really understand how you can live like that. Don't you have any shame? Once I stayed inside for a week or so so I kinda know what you mean about not feeling willing to go outside, but I just don't really understand how you can be such a burden on your parents, that's why I live with my boyfriend

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:30:26 2011 No.6833891 >>6833881 You don't belong here. Go back to >>>/soc/, please!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:31:26 2011 No.6833892 >>6833891 Oh is this 'no girls allowed'? and you guys wonder why you don't have girlfriends

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:35:26 2011 No.6833899

>>6833881
I (>>6833850), for one, don't live with my parents, and I don't think there's anything wrong with leeching off of the government since I'm getting an education and all that shit.

What if the parents don't feel it's a burden?
Maybe Anonymous has chores around the house and such, I don't know.

I sure as hell wouldn't mind getting a rich girlfriend who went to work every day while I stayed at home cleaning, doing laundry, feeding the cat and the other animals.

I don't think there exists a rich girl who'd buy a piece of land in a forest, pay for wires and the construction of a house (I'd help out with the construction even though I have no practical experience), and live with me out there, but these dreams are nice.

>girl
>boyfriend
>etc.
Why are you even here?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:35:26 2011 No.6833900 >>6833892 It's not "no girls allowed", but you're obviously not the kind of person who should be posting here. You should really go back to >>>/soc/ or Facebook or wherever it is you came from.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:35:26 2011 No.6833901 >>6833881 >>6833892 Pfft, a more obvious troll I never did see.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:37:26 2011 No.6833908 >>6833899 >Why are you even here? Normals come here every now and then to laugh at us.

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:41:26 2011 No.6833915

>>6833899
>I don't think there exists a rich girl who'd buy a piece of land in a forest, pay for wires and the construction of a house (I'd help out with the construction even though I have no practical experience), and live with me out there, but these dreams are nice.

It sucks that there are many men who are willing and capable to do this for women, but no women.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:41:26 2011 No.6833917 >>6833908 I know. It was more of a leading question in order to spur some self-reflection, I guess. I suppose I'd be classified as a normalfag for a lot of the stuff I post like >>6833850 if you compare me to the extremes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:42:26 2011 No.6833919 >>6833892 >>6833881 Ahahah. This is the worst trolling I have seen in a long time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:42:26 2011 No.6833920 >>6833900 Why is that? I love anime, I love Japan, who are you to decide that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:44:26 2011 No.6833923 File: 245 KB, 900x1200, 1270659893258.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6833920 That's very cute and all, but those aren't really the password to the secret clubhouse.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:44:26 2011 No.6833926 >>6833881 >I just don't really understand how you can be such a burden on your parents, that's why I live with my boyfriend Haha. That's fucking brilliant Saved for later use

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:45:26 2011 No.6833928 >>6833920 Worst trolling I've seen in a long time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:46:26 2011 No.6833930 >>6833920 Try harder, sweetie.

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 05:55:26 2011 No.6833946

>>6833915
>It sucks that there are many men who are willing and capable to do this for women, but no women.
Oh, but there are tonnes of women who would jump at the chance to don a mackinaw and build a nice rustic home for another woman.
But I know that's not what you meant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 06:00:26 2011 No.6833955 >>6833946 I was too eager. Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 06:00:26 2011 No.6833956 i just like sitting in my bedroom all day browsing 4chan leave me alone

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 06:03:26 2011 No.6833961 Why do NEET threads always devolved into misogyny threads?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 06:05:26 2011 No.6833969 >>6833961 Because there's always one bitch that can't keep her mouth shut.

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 06:05:26 2011 No.6833971

>>6821975
<3
I get like that when I am NEET. Thus I must work. Working does not make me happy per se, but it keeps me from thinking too much, or descending into complete listlessness. I admire people who can actually accomplish things in complete solitude, but I don't think I will ever be one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 06:08:26 2011 No.6833979 >>6833969 No. I believe that the female population of /jp/ is actually relatively silent. It's more that trolls can't stay away from such easy bait.

Anonymous Wed Jan 19 06:10:26 2011 No.6833988

>>6833961
We're easy to troll like that.

>>6833946
I'd prefer if it wasn't too rustic, to each his own.
It shouldn't stand out too much, but a rooftop terrace is a must.
Semi-spacious rooms and such.
Maybe a part of it could be built with an extra sturdy construction and then there could be grass on the roof or something in extension to the rooftop terrace.

I have way too many thoughts and ideas for this. I'm not an architect and it'll never become real.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 19 06:14:26 2011 No.6833998 >>6833988 >Maybe a part of it could be built with an extra sturdy construction and then there could be grass on the roof or something in extension to the rooftop terrace. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_roof Definitely possible.

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