How pissed are you at EP8?

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Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:22:27 2011 No.6772439 [Reply] [Original]

How pissed are you at EP8?

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Fri Jan 7 16:23:27 2011 No.6772442 Yes! Yes! Your rage fuels me/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:25:27 2011 No.6772449 >>6772439 I'm so pissed I didn't even buy it.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Fri Jan 7 16:27:27 2011 No.6772455 Is the honeymoon with Ryu07 finally over, /jp/?

>>	All day !jCOMomijIM Fri Jan 7 16:28:27 2011 No.6772459 >>6772439 People actually got Ep8 when the Fighting game was available? Why?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:29:27 2011 No.6772466 >>6772449 Same here. In fact I knew Ryuu was gonna throw this kind of shit so never bought a single game.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:30:27 2011 No.6772472

I don't know.
Personally I was more dissapointed with Ep7, it was more or less completely redundant after Ep6.
Ep6 had already given us Yasu, and Kanon's and Shannon's story.
And no, we didn't need a 4 hour story of her doing maid work, we could easily immagine what a maid's life would be anyway.
Ep7 didn't bring anything new to the table, as compared to the other answer arcs. The only thing that stood out was Kyrie, and that was a 20 minute read after a 5+ hour story.

Did you really find Ep8 to be worse?

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Fri Jan 7 16:31:27 2011 No.6772478 >>6772472 Don't worry. The next in the 'When They Cry' series, featuring magic, mystery, and Killer Lolis will drop soon, and the abusive relationship with Ryu07 will be renewed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:32:27 2011 No.6772481 Not at all I was kind of expecting an it was all a dream ending.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:33:27 2011 No.6772489

>>6772472
Oh yes.
Ep7 gave us more insight on Yasu as YAsu and not as Shannon or Kanon.
And ep8 was pretty standard and then it started to get worse and worse, then Pirate Erika, then the menage a trois of the tea party and then taht awfully inconclusive ???? party.
Mystery rule nº1: GIVE A FUCKING SOLUTION, or at least hint it enough giving a detremined number of possibilities (Orient Express)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:35:27 2011 No.6772493 Not that mad after Higanbana no Saku Yoru Ni. The opening arc is heaps better than either Higurashi or Umineko(Even if we're comparing the manga). Let's hope the rest of the series doesn't devolve into shit like Umineko after EP1.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:38:27 2011 No.6772502 File: 128 KB, 500x500, hatersgonnahate.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6772472 Yasu is a miracle of the universe. Those hours of reading how moe Yasu doing maid work is, were the best thing Umineko made me feel since EP4.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:38:27 2011 No.6772504 >>6772489 It was resolved. The mystery is 1-4. 5-8 is the breakdown of the mystery so you can find the slutions.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:39:27 2011 No.6772512

>>6772489
>Ep7 gave us more insight on Yasu as YAsu and not as Shannon or Kanon.
And you needed 90% of the content to be able to immagine another persona acting roughly similair to the others?

Shannon and Kanon were servants, and Yasu was also a servant, they were all the maid.
And this insight you speak of, that is the life of Yasu that is seen if you look at them with LOVE. which was what entire Ep6 was about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:40:27 2011 No.6772513 >>6772504 Nice. Who killed everybody them? I'm so clumsy and didn't noticed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:40:27 2011 No.6772514 >>6772504 >>6772513 The mystery's "resolution" is that "HURR IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL IT WAS BUTTELER'S AMNESIA"

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:41:27 2011 No.6772516

>>6772504
I mean a straight answer.
Whyd o you think people are SO butthurt in Japan because of this game?
It's not because of the end, but because 'LOL, think for yourselves, retards'
You can read those kind of comments at EGS reviews.
Japan is the kindest place for poorly done ends, but they don't tolerate bullshit.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:41:27 2011 No.6772518

So why did everyone go all hate on Ange the VN wheras everyone apparently loved Yasu the VN?

In Japan Ange is supposedly very popular, yet here everyone jumped the boat when her story arrived here in the west.
I have a feeling that everyone left during Ange's story, and that only the people left are the ones who liked Yasu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:42:27 2011 No.6772522 >>6772518 I jumped the boat because EP4 was a chore to slog through, and I finally encountered the community. Absolutely horrifying.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:44:27 2011 No.6772532 >>6772518 I don't understand. I always liked Ange's story and made me cry like a little girl a few times.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:44:27 2011 No.6772536 >>6772522 >was a chore to slog through You never read EP7 did you?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:45:27 2011 No.6772540 >>6772518 I like Ange but I fucking hate Yasu and found EP7 the even harder to read through then EP6 because of it's boring shit.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:46:27 2011 No.6772551

>>6772513
>>6772514
>>6772516
Goddamn, it was pretty much spelled out for us. Yasu did the roullete thing, if she meant to kill everyone or to fake murders I guess that's up to you, turned out the adults solved the epitaph and fought amongst themselves. Eva survided.

The resolution for 1-4 (the true solvable mystery) is that Yasu (Shannon and Kanon) did it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:47:27 2011 No.6772556 File: 143 KB, 600x600, 1281812164780.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >R07's face right now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:48:27 2011 No.6772560 >>6772536 > You never read EP7 did you? What kind of retarded retard would not drop this game during part 4?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:49:27 2011 No.6772564 >>6772560 Completionists.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:51:27 2011 No.6772575 >>6772560 Because no matter how retarded it got, I still wanted to see how R07 would end it. It's just simple curiosity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:53:27 2011 No.6772589 >>6772551 >is that Yasu (Shannon and Kanon) did it. Cool answer. Actual mysteries explain the HOW, and not ashes to ashes bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:55:27 2011 No.6772591 >>6772589 Small bombs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:55:27 2011 No.6772593 >>6772589 >and not ashes to ashes bullshit. Ryukishi didn't know.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:55:27 2011 No.6772596 >>6772560 Why drop at part four? ep 4 was good... so are the rest of them

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:55:27 2011 No.6772597 >>6772589 Now I know how autistic someone has to be to not understand that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 16:57:27 2011 No.6772601 >>6772589 The "Illusions to Illusions" and "Earth to Earth" thing was the how dunnit. Sorry it's not worded as if for a 9 year old, it probably should considering the fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:05:27 2011 No.6772644 >>6772536 Didn't you read the part where I said I dropped it after Episode 4?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:07:27 2011 No.6772651 >>6772644 An Umineko fan would read your post with LOVE and think you read it all and loved it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:10:27 2011 No.6772665 >>6772601 So defensive. Ryu used a horribly roundabout way to solve the howdunnit so there wasn't a definite answer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:12:27 2011 No.6772671 File: 46 KB, 800x573, 1294426923592.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6772651 You gotta be fucking kidding me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:14:27 2011 No.6772679 I enjoyed every minute of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:16:27 2011 No.6772688 >>6772665 Not really man, it's solved. The mystery was 1-4 and it's all solved, hell it was pretty much solved before Chiru, many theories cracked the crucial points. It just gets kinda tiring to have someone, thread after thread, who insists otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:18:27 2011 No.6772706 >>6772688 It was solved in a shitty inconclusive way, you mean. Besides, that doesn't answer what "Really" happened, as it was just Buttler's fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:25:27 2011 No.6772749 >>6772706 What really happened was the whole Yasu roulette shenanigans and the adults killing each other, Kyrie being a bitch and Eva surviving. But that wasn't the mystery, it was the story behind the mystery.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:26:27 2011 No.6772756 >>6772749 Which was "ALL JUST A DREAM". Way to go R07.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:28:27 2011 No.6772768 >>6772749 How are the different versions of the murders explained? Which sequence was the true story?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:29:27 2011 No.6772778 >>6772756 It was not "all just a dream". Battler wrote the tales as he remenbered, by 6 he knew the truth, or most of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:31:27 2011 No.6772786 >>6772768 The one where Kyrie is a bitch and kills everyone with Rudolf's help and Eva survives. Yasu and Battler also survived, by the way. But Yasu commited suicide later on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:31:27 2011 No.6772788 Reading others' posts instead of reading the novel is pretty shameful huh? I love when people keep saying the whole dream thing, it's the easiest way of proving the above.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:32:27 2011 No.6772791 File: 127 KB, 492x600, autism.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6772778 That's cool and all sport, but Umineko is still a shitty pile of garbage that you're trying to salvage.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:32:27 2011 No.6772794

Episode 1 and 2 were written by Yasu and features him/her as the culprit to cover up the truth. 3-8 are written by Battler/AuAu as Battler pieces his memory together, from then on it starts to feature more of the truth.

The real truth is pretty much slapped in your face with 7 and 8

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:33:27 2011 No.6772795 >>6772794 What if you haven't read the pile of shit since Episode 4?

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:33:27 2011 No.6772796
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Ladies and gentlemen... It's time to end with all this Umineko story.

The solution of Umineko is that there is no solution. The witches made an imaginary game and trolled battler to enter their game, just because it's fun. They challenged him to explain what happened in each situation without adding the word "magic" or anything related to his explanation. But we all know it was the witches all along.

Battler saw the magic in front of his face and even used it, so it has no sense for him to deny it. It's just the witches trolling him.

So, the solution to umineko is, everyone was trolling. And now all of you have been trolled. In fact, you were being trolled from EP 1. And now you realise it and feel butthurt.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:34:27 2011 No.6772804 >>6772791 You are entitled to your opinion. But the fact you cannot even point proper flaws while calling it "shitty pile of garbage" says a lot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:36:27 2011 No.6772813 >>6772804 Yes, that I haven't read it since Episode 4 because it's a pile of crap. Sounds like you're from AS.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:37:27 2011 No.6772822 >>6772813 Once again, exactly my point.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:38:27 2011 No.6772827 >>6772822 What point? That you're from AS?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:38:27 2011 No.6772828 >>6772788 >I love when people keep saying the whole dream thing I was just about to say this too.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:39:27 2011 No.6772832

>1-1 The corpse that cannot return to earth returns to illusions.
Shannon poisoned everyone, Shannon died and Yasu rose and continued.
>1-2 A chain of illusions can only hold back illusions.
Yasu jumped in and stabbed Hideyoshi and Eva, Kanon(Yasu) is crazy good at sleight of hand and tricks used to fool everyone with optical illusions and Genji persuades everyone to step back from the room and the door.
>1-4 Let the man of illusions go to where he belongs.
No one was killed, Kanon dissapeared, people are led to believe someone was killed.
>1-678 Illusions are the blind girl's song. Illusions of a closed room.
Yasu, being crazy good at martial arts killed everyone except Maria, the room was never a perfect closed room.
>Bomb

Anyone up for the task of explaining Ep2?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:41:27 2011 No.6772836 >>6772832 It's magic, I ain't gonna explain shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:44:27 2011 No.6772854 >>6772832 >the room was never a perfect closed room. Why was it never a proper closed room?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:45:27 2011 No.6772858 EP7: >TheHeartTheHeartTheHeartTheHeartTheHeart Motive is important EP8: >Money, lol.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:48:27 2011 No.6772871

Will's explanations are pretty straightforward except for ep4's. While pretty much all the accomplices are capable of doing any of the killing in ep4, it lacked details on who killed who, when it happened etc.

I lol when people complain about how he didn't explain how Natsuhi died in ep1. Was it really necessary? George, Battler and Jessica breaks the door, sees Natsuhi dead. They look at the surrounding and sees Beatrice. lol idk who could have done it

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:50:27 2011 No.6772879

>>6772832
Nice copypasta.

I don't recall Ep2 so well, so someone correct me if such is needed.

>2-1 The gold truth locks the lock of illusions.
Gold truth=Bribes
>2-2 Illusions who have fulfilled their role do not leave a corpse.
Shannon and Kanon share a body, one dies without leaving a corpse.
>2-456 No one would dispute that a coffin is a closed room.
Everyone just died there, no one exited the room.
2-78 No illusion can create a corpse.
I don't remenber what this Twilight is. But it should be pretty straightforward.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:50:27 2011 No.6772880 >>6772858 Everything after Beatrice/Clair's death is no longer mystery bro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:53:27 2011 No.6772888 >>6772880 The fuck does that have to do with his point that EP8 chose the laziest and most cliche explanation for the killings?

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:55:27 2011 No.6772896
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>people mad
>people butthurt
>98% of /jp/ hasn't read EP8
>Japan has shit taste

I don't know what you people are getting so frustrated about. I read it and honestly, it was just fine.

If you're still going off spoilers, don't, half of them are wrong or skewed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:55:27 2011 No.6772900 >>6772871 About that. It was said in red that she didn't shoot herself. Thus she was murdered. So how does the fake murders theory go?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:56:27 2011 No.6772902 >>6772896 Japan is the primary audience for Umineshit. They hate it. /jp/ hates it. What's more to get? Get the fuck out of my /jp/ and back into AS.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:57:27 2011 No.6772908 >>6772896 Don't. This has been mentioned for the other 50 threads and people/trolls keep ignoring it, let it go, /jp/ can no longer be saved.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:58:27 2011 No.6772913 File: 334 KB, 640x480, 1294427789.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6772900 1-4 were written with Yasu as the culprit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:59:27 2011 No.6772917 >>6772888 His point was R07 spent lots of time talking about how a motive is important for a mystery, but EP8 didn't bother to give a motive. That's because EP8 is not a mystery, it's a fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 17:59:27 2011 No.6772918 >>6772908 Yes, that's right, /jp/ is a horrible nasty place that doesn't understand Ryukishi's exquisite mystery, let us return to AS.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:00:27 2011 No.6772922
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>>6772896
/jp/ is full of bandwagon idiots who cannot think for themselves. They want to keep thinking Umineko is shit for reasons that aren't even worth the time of people who actually understand the franchise. Or trolling.
Just let it go. It's useless to try to correct ignorance when it's already so advanced.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:01:27 2011 No.6772931 Y'all should stop dickridin' Ryukishi.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:01:27 2011 No.6772935 >>6772917 Not a motive, a "heart" for the tale. Yasu wanted to let fate decide her future, Kyrie went cold murderer for gold.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:02:27 2011 No.6772938 File: 56 KB, 600x600, 1256171850672.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6772918 You mad, bro?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:02:27 2011 No.6772945 >>6772922 >people who actually understand the franchise This is where your argument loses all credibility

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:03:27 2011 No.6772949 >>6772922 > baww u don't have heart like ryusama says u must have so i butt mad ;_________;

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:04:27 2011 No.6772958 >>6772931 but omg omg omg u just dont have THE LOVE!! animesuki understands this so much more betterer, why dont you /jp/tards understand? T_T

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:04:27 2011 No.6772959 >>6772945 >>6772949 Funny how he is the one who sounds the least mad of all.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:05:27 2011 No.6772966

>>6772516
>I mean a straight answer.
>Whyd o you think people are SO butthurt in Japan because of this game?
>It's not because of the end, but because 'LOL, think for yourselves, retards'

R07 said RIGHT FROM THE START that there would not be a clear-cut "this is how it's done" solution and he had a very good reason for it: if he gives away the solution, there is no game. Just a story that you read once and then never spend another thought on.

The "game" in Umineko is that you have to figure out the solution yourself. The whole thing would be meaningless, every thread made of it, every fan conversation held, every theory, everything would be worth nothing at all if he just blurted out the answer.

Hell, I think Umineko is a nonsensical piece of shit and even I understand this much.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:05:27 2011 No.6772967 >>6772900 You lost me, what are you even talking about?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:06:27 2011 No.6772972 Slightly dissapointed

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:06:27 2011 No.6772974 >>6772959 >Funny how I am the one who sounds the least mad of all. fix'd for truth

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:07:27 2011 No.6772976
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>>6772945
Not really.

So far I haven't seen a glint of sense coming from the majority of /jp/ users. And those who actually understand and acknowledge barely say anything, if nothing at all.
If you think it is not credible, then that is your judgment alone, and it is completely irrelevant to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:08:27 2011 No.6772983 >>6772959 >>6772974 >>6772976 Oh boy, avatarfags from AS and just plain old faggots from AS. This thread just keeps getting better and better.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:08:27 2011 No.6772986

>>6772966
>Hell, I think Umineko is a nonsensical piece of shit and even I understand this much.
Lying so your argument gains weigth, oh please.
The true pleasure of a mystery novel is having your theories confirmed/rejected.
There's no game if there's no end.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:09:27 2011 No.6772990 >>6772986 > There's no game if there's no end. Since when were you under the impression the game ended?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:10:27 2011 No.6772995 >>6772990 >Since when were you under the impression the game ended? >/a/ memes I'm out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:10:27 2011 No.6772997 >>6772983 >>6772958 >>6772949 >>6772945 You guys are so mad. I'm sorry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:11:27 2011 No.6772999 >>6772986 >The true pleasure of a mystery novel is having your theories confirmed/rejected. Bullshit. If there is an answer, the reader will not form any kind of theories. H has no reason to, when he can just read the answer instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:11:27 2011 No.6773002 >>6772995 >I'm out. yes, back to /a/ please

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:11:27 2011 No.6773004 >>6772983 /jp/ manages to be worse than AS sometimes. I bet my testicles on it. As far as I know people there actually discuss the thing, we spend most thread acting like bitter old hags.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:12:27 2011 No.6773009 File: 11 KB, 768x413, 1283727677406.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6772999 >If there is an answer, the reader will not form any kind of theories What?

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:12:27 2011 No.6773010

>>6772935
>Yasu wanted to let fate decide her future
>let fate decide
This always bothered me.
I mean, it's more or less laughable when Ryukishi went on and on about the importance of good motives when he pulled this card.

No sane person plans possible deaths and gruesome murders just because an old boyfriend re-appears.
But, OH, you say she didn't plan deaths and gruesome murders? That she only played with her fate, setting up a roulette to decide independent from her own power?
Yea... sure. But then, whos idea was it to include CRAZY ASS GRUESOME MURDERS in the fucked up roulette in the first place?
Toying with fate is an increadibly shitty excuse, she could have done that in I don't know how many better ways that wouldn't involve the deaths of others, or at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:12:27 2011 No.6773011 >>6773004 People discuss the day the episode is first out and a few days after the translation is released. The rest of the time is Bitching/General.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:12:27 2011 No.6773013 >>6773004 What's AS like?

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:13:27 2011 No.6773014

>>6772999
>If there is an answer, the reader will not form any kind of theories
Oh god, you're saying this, for real?
What kind of mysetry novel reader doesn't form theories?
When the detective starts exposing it you usually have a good theory or start thninking of one.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:13:27 2011 No.6773016

>>6772986
>There's no game if there's no end.

Oh, but there is an end. The end is when you figure it out. You have been given the tools, and you can stomp your feet and bitch and whine or you can try to actually solve it yourself. If you find a solution that makes sense and explains everything, congrats, it's the right one.

(Or that's how it should work. R07 doesn't do the "makes sense" part very well.)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:13:27 2011 No.6773018 >>6773013 It's a wonderful, magical place, far better than /jp/. You should stay there!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:15:27 2011 No.6773026 >>6773010 >Yea... sure. But then, whos idea was it to include CRAZY ASS GRUESOME MURDERS in the fucked up roulette in the first place? Kinzo, who made the epitaph

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:15:27 2011 No.6773031 >>6773014 Why in the world would somebody bother with theories of his own when he knows he is given a definitive answer in the end? Why? There is no rational reason. It would be just a waste of mental effort.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:15:27 2011 No.6773033

>>6773010
That's the whole point of the fake murders theory. It was a game for Battler. The bomb was there to set a time limit, like Kinzo used to do. Havingg a fake murder party and a bomb ticking for a conclusion should be enough to "spin" the goddamn roulette.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:16:27 2011 No.6773034

>>6773010
Go back and read through EP4, EP5 and EP7. If you honestly can't understand what's going on afterward, there's no help for you.

It's funny how the people who figured out Umineko are the least mad, while everyone who doesn't understand the fake murder theory is mad as fuck. I wonder why.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:16:27 2011 No.6773035 >>6773031 Hoping that yours will be the right one? Fucking Uminefag, you obviously have never experienced a true mystery novel.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:17:27 2011 No.6773039 >>6773034 That doesn't change the fact the ending was shitty and inconclusive. How hard is it for you uminefags to understand that's why Japan is mad?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:17:27 2011 No.6773041 >>6773031 It's fun. And if you're given a mystery, why wouldn't you want to figure it out?

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:18:27 2011 No.6773050

>>6773031
>It would be just a waste of mental effort.
You claim to understand Umineko yet fail at the basics?
It has said COUNTLESS times that mysteries are a game between the reader and the writer.
This OBVIOUSLY implies the reader has to take part and think of theories, it's a fucking game. The best part fo a mystery novel is to discover the killer before the author has to say it.
So mainly for fun, because it's a game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:18:27 2011 No.6773051 >>6773018 I only go to AM:OT, would you say AS is better or worse?

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:18:27 2011 No.6773052

So is this all what the Umineko threads are about? I at least expected that the topic was, you know, the episodes? All I'm seeing is ''UMINEKO SUCKS GB2 AS'' and ''silly people don't get it, hardy hur haw *sips tea*''.

Cheers to those who actually debate each others' theories.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:19:27 2011 No.6773053 File: 42 KB, 960x540, 127317422974.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So much samefag in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:19:27 2011 No.6773054 >>6773039 See, here you are, being mad as fuck again. Japan doesn't get Umineko? That's fine with me. You need to calm down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:20:27 2011 No.6773061 >>6773052 They mystery is over, therefore theory-crafting is over. There are two types of people who participate in these threads now: those who get Umineko and those who don't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:21:27 2011 No.6773067 >>6773052 Dickriders from AS love the piece of shit episode, True /jp/ natives despise it. >>6773061 I get that Umineko is shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:22:27 2011 No.6773071 >>6773061 and trolls

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:22:27 2011 No.6773075 >>6773039 Japan is always mad, just give them some more Touhou and they'll shut up. And the end was fine, just wait untill Ep8 is translated and you'll see how /jp/ changes it's mind right away.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:22:27 2011 No.6773076 >>6773061 >There are two types of people who participate in these threads now: those who get Umineko, those who don't and those who STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE fixed

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:22:27 2011 No.6773078 >>6773067 I feel bad for you. If this is a troll, then of course 10/10.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:23:27 2011 No.6773081 >>6773071 Yeah, that too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:23:27 2011 No.6773083 >>6773075 Just like they loved EP7's shitfest?

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:23:27 2011 No.6773085

>>6773039
Not to take sides here, but why do Japanese FANS' (and not all of them) opinions matter? They're no different from ours, they have no influence on the author (unless the Gainax method is used), 2chan threads can be as buttmad idiotic as the ones we have here.

Don't like it? That's alright, just don't diss others for liking it.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:24:27 2011 No.6773090

>>6773041

Figuring out mysteries is hard work. hard enough to not be worth it if somebody else does it for you.

A mystery with a definitive answer given in the end is like those useless "mystery" logs in Professor Layton games. Nobody fucking reads those. Nobody tries to figure things out on their own because they know it'll all be solved for them in the end if they just play the game forward (and Layton games, like Umineko, like to play unfair and throw in so many ridiculous twists that it would be impossible to figure them out anyway).

Maybe there are people who watch Hercule Poirot because they want to figure out the murders before they're given away. I watch them purely because David Suchet is hilarious, and save my brain for actual problems. Ones that don't come with convenient readily given answers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:24:27 2011 No.6773092 >>6773083 EP7 was the best episode, bro!

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:24:27 2011 No.6773094
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What really happened on Rokkenjima is probably along the lines of what was shown to Lion and Ange during episode 7.

Bern relativised the story a bit by saying "that wasn't only the truth", but it should be out of question by now, that Rudolf, Kyrie and maybe Battler are the main culprits. What else is there for Ange to fear? It also explains large parts of what happened to Battler afterwards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:24:27 2011 No.6773096 File: 94 KB, 793x290, umineko scores.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6773075 >Japan is always mad Not THIS mad. It's been picking up since it was at 44, but the deviation is fuckhuge

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:24:27 2011 No.6773097
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>>6772999
The Sherlock Holmes stories did a good job with making the entire genre big and promoting it to grow bigger.
Yet, those novels always did great work in the resolutions of all the mysteries.

It is not supposed to be a "Look at this image. What does it look like to you? You have some curved shapes, some straight shapes, and lots of randomly spread colours? I think it looks kind of like a horse myself. Oh, you say it looks like garden? Oh, you look at the green and red down in the corners, and the big green in the middle? But you know, it really do look like a horse if you —————"
Mystery novels are mystery novels, not clouds with obscure shapes. A mystery novel is more a kin to a jig-saw puzzle than an obscure image with no real shape that can look like many things.
And people do have theories and ideas when solving puzzles.

This image on the side is for instance, not what a mystery is.
Also, before anyone jumps on me for being retarded, no I didn't think of Ryu07's work as a work to be compared to works of the mystery genre, but that doesn't make his work any better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:25:27 2011 No.6773099 >>6773085 >but why do Japanese FANS' (and not all of them) opinions matter? weeaboos

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:25:27 2011 No.6773102 File: 24 KB, 300x300, black man giggling at computer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6773092 I know you're just messing with me, but I still find it hilarious that Uminefags actually believe that sort of drivel.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:27:27 2011 No.6773111 File: 57 KB, 640x480, frustrated.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Guy who keeps chriping Uminefags

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:28:27 2011 No.6773114

>>6773090
Again, it's fun for plenty of people.

And I'd say 90% of the more serious Umineko theories were pretty accurate. Pony was almost spot on. Shkanontrice was right, it just didn't have anything to do with DID.

With Layton, it's impossible to figure out its twists, but then again, it's not a mystery in the first place.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:28:27 2011 No.6773117

>>6773090
So you are saying the only scenario you'd theorize would be if someone cut the book before the answers got revealed?
Sorry, the mystery genre is not for you, mystery novels are made for you to think, not just
>hurrr the answer is at the end, why bother?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:29:27 2011 No.6773118 >>6773111 >Uminefag acting frustrated

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:29:27 2011 No.6773122

>>6773085
> they have no influence on the author
Except that's wrong. Ryukishi07 clearly followed his readers speculations, whether on the japanese umineko wiki or the 2ch threads. He scrapped a whole game (Land of the golden witch) because most people already figured out Kinzo was already dead and shit like that, and this continued on and on so much that we got Featherine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:30:27 2011 No.6773123 >>6773111 Just ignore him bro. He's either mad or a troll, so there's no point in replying.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:30:27 2011 No.6773125 File: 11 KB, 213x200, 10342345585.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6773118 I'm just adoring this guy's /b/ and /v/ level posts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:31:27 2011 No.6773129 File: 5 KB, 127x97, 1292442648679.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6773123

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:32:27 2011 No.6773135 >>6773122 That has nothing to do with readers' opinions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:32:27 2011 No.6773138 >>6773125 could you return to the question of Umineko's quality?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:33:27 2011 No.6773142 >>6773135 Oh please, use EGS+2ch threads and the company will know what to improve for their next game. KEY fired the Planetarian author mainly because the reception it had.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:34:27 2011 No.6773147 File: 139 KB, 424x470, 1281637291205.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6773129

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:37:27 2011 No.6773164
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>>6773122
>He scrapped a whole game (Land of the golden witch) because most people already figured out Kinzo was already dead and shit like that.
The fun part is Ep8-Beatrice explicitly states:
"I really would've liked everyone to read my best work 'Land'."

The whole episode is a train-wreck and charging 3000 yen for it is a scam.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:38:27 2011 No.6773169 >>6773142 The only discussion in 2ch nowadays are butthurt readers who haven't paid attention and trolls derailing any normal conversations with "AUTHOR CALLED US GOATS, GET MAD PEOPLE!!"

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:38:27 2011 No.6773172 File: 93 KB, 512x572, deal with it.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6773147

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:39:27 2011 No.6773177 >>6773169 Did I say just Umineko? I mean in general. If you are betting strongly on one game, you'll want to know what peopel thought about it.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:39:27 2011 No.6773178
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>>6773117
>So you are saying the only scenario you'd theorize would be if someone cut the book before the answers got revealed?

Well in that case I'd just go to library and read the ending from a different book. But you've got the right idea, and so did, I think, R07: in order to make a guy like me think about the mystery, the author can't just hand the solution on a platter.

I still don't think much about Umineko's solution because I am not convinced that it's fair - there's too much bad-faith nitpicking like "Kinzo is a honorary name that can be transferred from person to person" going on in it. But he's got the right idea. If he had kept it relatively straightforward I probably would have made a serious attempt to solve it myself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:41:27 2011 No.6773187 >>6773122 >and this continued on and on so much that we got Featherine. fucking this. most nonsensical and absurd character ever

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:41:27 2011 No.6773188 >>6773164 u jus dont understand RYU-SAMA'S MASTERPIECE

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:41:27 2011 No.6773193 ITT: Retards/animesuki users rage over spoilers. Autism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:43:27 2011 No.6773200 >>6773178 What? But the 'mystery' portion of Umineko is perfectly solvable in a logical way. I could go through it case by case if you want, but you said so yourself, wouldn't that make it pointless for you?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:44:27 2011 No.6773206 >>6773178 Yeah, as I said, the mystery genre is not for you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:45:27 2011 No.6773214 >>6773178 How many mystery fiction writers do you actually know that deliberately make the solution ambiguous or exclude it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:45:27 2011 No.6773215 >>6773142 Actually Key fired him because he was really lazy and barely got his ass to work.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:46:27 2011 No.6773216 >>6773142 Lolwut? 2chan raged at Planetarian? Also related to the topic, wasn't almost all of Umineko revealed to be just imagination

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:46:27 2011 No.6773219 File: 196 KB, 649x744, reimu haters, q34t98haga;gna.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6773188 >>6773187 >>6773169

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:47:27 2011 No.6773223 >>6773215 Really? I always thought it was because of the bad reception, ebcause even those abominations of after stories got better ones.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:47:27 2011 No.6773226 File: 69 KB, 600x451, 12794320_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6773096 Huh, 7 ranked at the top? I'm okay with this.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:49:27 2011 No.6773236

A true mystery is like a question on a test. It tests your wits, you come up with an answer with the facts provided, and eventually, you'll get to know if your answer was correct or not. Arguing that solving a problem is only worthwile if you don't get to confirm your theory is retarded

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:49:27 2011 No.6773237 >>6773226 It also has the least amount of votes. Probably only fans voted so least dissenting opinions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:50:27 2011 No.6773239 >>6773216 >wasn't almost all of Umineko revealed to be just imagination Not really. Spoilers gonna spoil

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:51:27 2011 No.6773243 >>6773237 Yeah, because that sure stopped the other Chiru episodes from scoring badly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:52:27 2011 No.6773247 >>6773243 Having almost double the votes helps.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:53:27 2011 No.6773251

>>6773200
>What? But the 'mystery' portion of Umineko is perfectly solvable in a logical way.

Not using real-world logic. Solving Umineko requires verbal tricks to get around redtext, and that's what I call unfair, in the same way the old riddle "there are three words that end in -gry" riddle is unfair.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:55:27 2011 No.6773255 It's hilarious how people take fucking EGS ratings as an indicator of actual quality, given 2ch's incredibly shit taste (Case in point: their worship of K-ON!).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:56:27 2011 No.6773260 >>6773200 ShKanon and personality die when they are killed is in no fucking way logical. That's the main reason people failed to solve Umineko quickly, they just refused to believe in ShKanon because IT'S FUCKING STUPID. And yes it's still stupid.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:57:27 2011 No.6773261

>>6773251
Verbal tricks? There are a few I suppose, but I don't think that matters much. Most of the closed rooms and such in Umineko are really easy to solve. Most are just simple tricks involving Kanon or the servants.

If you're talking about Shkanon though, that doesn't have much to do with the gameboard's logic, since it's just fiction. I don't think it's a problem, really.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:57:27 2011 No.6773263 >>6773251 >in the same way the old riddle "there are three words that end in -gry" riddle is unfair. Easy one: agry, bgry, cgry. Right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:57:27 2011 No.6773264 >>6773255 Go back to /a/

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:57:27 2011 No.6773267

>>6773236

Bad comparison. There is no teacher to grade you, so there is no need to solve it yourself.

Also, the implied understanding is that the solution is so logical that once the reader has figured it out, he immediately knows it's the right one: it will be inescapably obviously the only true one with no ambiguity or wiggle room. Ryukishi doesn't exactly reach this level of clarity, but if he did, there would be little need for an explicit confirmation. The solution would confirm itself through making such perfect sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:58:27 2011 No.6773268 >>6773255 >It's hilarious how people take fucking EGS ratings as an indicator of actual quality, It's usually pretty spot on with most scores even if you can disagree with your favourites being in the 80s, god knows I do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:58:27 2011 No.6773271 >>6773255 scores=/=reviews EGS is handy because of the reviews.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:59:27 2011 No.6773274 >>6773260 You just don't understand how Shkanon works, then. It has nothing to do with multiple personalities. We've been over this a million times already, it's meta bullshit so it doesn't matter on the gameboard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:59:27 2011 No.6773275 >>6773268 Usually everything above 80 is worth reading

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 18:59:27 2011 No.6773276 >>6773263 >Right? Angry, buttangry, and one more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:00:27 2011 No.6773281 >>6773264 Why? I thought their oppinion made sense. Isn't /a/ in the middle of a K-on fling?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:00:27 2011 No.6773282 >>6773267 >The solution would confirm itself through making such perfect sense. There is a solution out there, though. The people in this thread that are mad don't get it yet.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:01:27 2011 No.6773286

>>6773274
Gameboard should be logical and work in the real world, that's another of the love between the writer and the reader shit.

So ShKanon has to work in the "real world" and the gameboard in the same way.
You are the one who doesn't understand how it works

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:02:27 2011 No.6773292 >>6773276 Over the alphabet {a,...,z,A,...,Z} there are countable infinitely many words ending in "gry".

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:04:27 2011 No.6773297

Real riddle so you have fun
"There are three words in the English language that end in -GRY. Two are HUNGRY and ANGRY. The third one everyone uses every day and knows what it stands for. If you listened carefully, I already told you what the word is. What is the third word?"

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:04:27 2011 No.6773298 >>6773282 > The people in this thread that are mad don't get it yet. Well, sorry for not knowing the power of LOVE

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:05:27 2011 No.6773307

>>6773286
First of all, the mystery doesn't have much to do with the real world. Second: Shkanon does work. Disregard the red text for once, will you? That was just there to confuse people.

Shannon is aware that she's dressing up as Kanon, it's one person, there are no multiple personalities. In the scenarios presented where Shannon is thought to be 'dead', she's really not, and she's always aided by Nanjo or the servants. Take the first murders in EP1, for instance.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:05:27 2011 No.6773309 >>6773282 >>6773094 is incorrect?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:07:27 2011 No.6773314 >>6773297 >What is the third word? Buttranged.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:09:27 2011 No.6773323

>>6773307
Yeah but she is still dressing as both Shannon and Kanon at the same time and nobody fucking realize anything.

Episode 1-4 are the mystery that are solvable but the plot device used (1 person playing 2 roles who fake her death and nobody even think of checking her body) is so fucking bad I don't know how anyone could defend it

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:10:27 2011 No.6773331

Honestly, I always thought of Umineko as more of a choose your own adventure type of thing much more than a mystery novel with regards to explaining the various events that occurred throughout the novels along with the conclusions each perceived answer would result in, especially since it seemed to have a habit of bringing up the concept of contradictory yet equally valid potential truths (most directly so in Ep 5's ????). So, in that sense, I wouldn't really consider it to be half bad by any means. That said, anyone who takes it strictly as a mystery novel is just begging to be pissed off by Ryukishi's constant obfuscation of things and lack of a conclusive finish to fully confirm or deny their theories.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:10:27 2011 No.6773332 File: 122 KB, 740x538, words_that_end_in_gry.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6773297 And here is the correct answer when you think you've figured it out or want to give up.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:11:27 2011 No.6773334

A solution that confirms itself because there's no holes in it? That's laughable. Any sensible person knows that, even if you don't find any holes in your logic, that doesn't disprove the possibility of holes in your logic.

Even for a perfect theory, this doubt will remain, unless there is a way to confirm it. Thus you'll never know if you actually solved the mystery, making the mystery unsolvable.

And on the comparison, the incentive to solve the question is that wether your answer is correct or not is a measurement of your skills.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:11:27 2011 No.6773335 >>6773314 Normal people=/=/jp/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:11:27 2011 No.6773336 >>6773323 It's fiction written to provide a culprit. Characters are usually more stupid than in real life.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:11:27 2011 No.6773338 >>6773297 Language yadda yadda. This riddle is a scam and a grammatical abomination.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:12:27 2011 No.6773343 >>6773331 >Honestly, I always thought of Umineko as more of a choose your own adventure type of thing ...without any choices?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:12:27 2011 No.6773345 >>6773332 gb2Reddit

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:13:27 2011 No.6773348 So, what's the motive of Yasu for doing the roulette? If the sin was Battler's, what does it have to do with Yasu's love for Battler? Did he/she just go mad? Was he/she expecting Battler to solve the riddle? Sorry I'm slow.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:14:27 2011 No.6773357 >>6773348 Battler forgot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:15:27 2011 No.6773361 >>6773348 If Battler remembers his promise, she NTR's George.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:15:27 2011 No.6773363 >>6773336 Do you realize what a shitty excuse it is?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:17:27 2011 No.6773374 >>6773363 It's not meant to be the real world or follow it exactly. It's meant to be a riddle, a means to an end.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:19:27 2011 No.6773383

>>6773357
l know Battler forgot, that's why Shannon had to wait for him for so long and she probably went crazy over him. But it is implied this has to do with the motive of her planning to kill everyone. Did she just turn into a mad serial killer because of Battler? Was she expecting him to solve the riddle? (probably that's why she was shown so lifeless when she welcomed the Urishomiyas in the gold room) It is also said that if Battler returned earlier or later, it probably wouldn't have happened.

>>6773361
That's another thing. She flirted with George just to make Battler jealous? I doubt she forgot Battler.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:21:27 2011 No.6773391 >>6773383 >I doubt she forgot Battler. I doubt she'd forget Battler so easily, I meant to say.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:26:27 2011 No.6773418

>>6773343
Not in the traditional sense. More in the sense of perception of events. Basically leaving it so that every conclusion anyone comes up with is correct. Kinda like the old: "if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" Basically in the sense that the perception of reality being the only truth in spite of it being a falsehood in the mind of someone perceiving it differently thereby making every theory true and yet equally capable of being denied.

Really, this is the only way anything would really have a conclusion from my perspective, since it's basically been proven that every narrator we have is entirely unreliable. And with this, we lack a viewpoint from the perspective of actuality, only the perspective of various individual realities. Thus, the only conclusion is the one we perceive to be correct.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:26:27 2011 No.6773420 >>6773383 She planned fake murders bro. >She flirted with George just to make Battler jealous? I doubt she forgot Battler. ...Did you read EP7? At all?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:27:27 2011 No.6773424 >>6773420 >fake murders No she didn't. She really planned to kill if they didn't solve the epitaph. That's why she kill herself in guilt

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:28:27 2011 No.6773429 >>6773418 I perceive the correct reality to be that Ryukishi should stop trying to be so fucking clever and just focus on writing a good story.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:28:27 2011 No.6773430 >>6773424 >I didn't read EP8. Well alright then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:29:27 2011 No.6773438 >>6773430 Nothing in episode 8 point to fake murders though

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:30:27 2011 No.6773444 >>6773438 That's not what I was talking about.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:34:27 2011 No.6773455

>>6773420
Even if it's fake, what's the motive for planning it? I know she didn't want the gold but whay does it have to do with her love for Battler, that's what I asked.

>...Did you read EP7? At all?
If you have the time for looking down on me I thought you already had figured out the motive.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:36:27 2011 No.6773461 It's things like this that explain why the goats were written the way they were in this game.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:40:27 2011 No.6773472

>>6773455
I really am inquiring if you read EP7 because you asked if she just flirted with George to make Battler jealous and you doubted she forgot him. Because there are CHAPTERS that explain this. It's not like you even have to figure anything out.

Anyways, Battler and Shannon liked to talk about mystery novels, so Shannon set a fake one up to see if he would remember his promise. She bribed the parents, too. You can see this line of reasoning in pretty much all episodes, but especially in 6, where Battler figures out what the fuck is going on and shows it.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:44:27 2011 No.6773486

>>6773472
Then why did she have guns?
Why did she prepare the bomb?
Why was this event considered so sad and pitiful for her? Creating a fake murder mystery for your love interest doesn't seem that desperate or sad.

She ADMITTED in episode 7 that she planned to kill everyone, what was shown in the previous episode prove it as well.
And there is absolutely no hint that she planned fake murder in the fucking last episode.
Or are you going to say "wait for rei" or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:45:27 2011 No.6773488 >>6773472 Okay, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:47:27 2011 No.6773492 File: 17 KB, 500x330, 1290793079138.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wonder how Japan acted in the Higurashi finale. I They should be used to this things done by Ryu-shit

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:47:27 2011 No.6773494

>>6773455
Every choice Yasu made turns out it was choosen beforehand by "fate". So she just let fate decide a last major one; Battler? George? We can throw Jessica in the mix too.

Will Battler remenber the promise? His sin? She knows he loves mysteries so she makes him one. Now, she loved Battler and she wasn't all that crazy, plus there are tons of clues towards it- the murders were to be fake, acomplished with the magic of the Golden Witch, that is to say, bribes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:48:27 2011 No.6773497 >>6773494 Bribes = magic never appear in the game at all. Your theory makes absolutely no sense, I'm surprised you are still pushing it

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:52:27 2011 No.6773511

>>6773486
The bomb was used to force a time limit, Kinzo used to do it, Yasu learned with the best. It wa sad because she was torn, a "torn, divided soul", she loved more than one person. Ep7 Tea Party was covered in fiction, Kyrie says some bullshit to the clouds, that gives it away.

You can see things either way. You choose to look at things with love and see poor Yasu and her party gone murderous on accident. Or you look at them without love and you see poor Yasu and her mass-murder going just as planned.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:53:27 2011 No.6773513 >>6773486 The EP7 tea party isn't all truth, my friend. Bern's unfinished red text, it was missing the heart, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:54:27 2011 No.6773522 File: 86 KB, 1240x336, Gohda did it.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I HAVE THE ONE AND ONLY SOLUTION

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:55:27 2011 No.6773524 >>6773497 Ep7 has Yasu tell you the gold made her Beatrice, and 10 tons of gold was pretty much magic, since you could do anything at all with that much. And bribes are hinted before.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:55:27 2011 No.6773525

>>6773494
>So she just let fate decide a last major one; Battler? George? We can throw Jessica in the mix too.
Coins and dices are supposedly great I have heard, you can flip them and roll them and you can get all kinds of seemingly random results, and no bullshit is needed!

Yasu was a shit character that's utterly crazy and devoid of sense or realism. Fate is no excuse for bad character design.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:56:27 2011 No.6773531 File: 52 KB, 750x1000, 15730052_p1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wait, people didn't like EP8? Wow, butthurt much? I thought it was the perfect ending to the series. My new favorite OTP came from it, after all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:56:27 2011 No.6773532 Was Gold Text ever defined or were we supposed to ignore that shit?

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:57:27 2011 No.6773534

>>6773513
Yeah the truth is never shown.
But the pieces have to be "in character", that's another rule based on the love between the writer and the reader.
She said she was going to kill, she does kill in several episodes, what more do you want?

>>6773511
What you are doing isn't looking with love, it's just being completely stupid.
Stop being delusional and look at facts, Yasu was completely fucked up by all this and decided to do something horrible but also really pitiful.

She made a plan, she gave money to her accomplices, she prepared a bomb, she prepared loaded guns.
There is absolutely nothing that point to fake murders considering these facts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:57:27 2011 No.6773538 >>6773513 >it was missing the heart Then what was the heart?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:59:27 2011 No.6773542 >>6773538 There is no heart, that's just bullshit. Nobody know what really happened but it certainly wasn't pretty and full of love

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:59:27 2011 No.6773544 >>6773525 Kinzo used to do things like that all the time. And since she was leaving things to fate why not do it with some grandeur. A dice wouldn't tell her if Battler might still remenber his promise.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:59:27 2011 No.6773547 File: 19 KB, 366x274, 1283220955730.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >people STILL don't understand how fake murder plot works, even though it's the only theory that justifies everything and makes complete sense. I'm done. Goodbye /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 19:59:27 2011 No.6773549 Nothing really matters, anyone can see Nothing really matters

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:00:27 2011 No.6773554 >>6773522 Oh god I can't stop laughing

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:01:27 2011 No.6773557

...Did anyone in this thread actually read EP8?

People are bitching about no motive for Kyrie, but there's no proof that she's even the culprit.

Also Battler didn't write the tales to get his memories back. He clearly stated that he started writing them AFTER his memories returned. That's why the truth is reflected in them.

Hate EP8 all you want, but at least know what you're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:01:27 2011 No.6773558 >>6773547 And never come back

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:02:27 2011 No.6773561

>>6773532
>Was Gold Text ever defined or were we supposed to ignore that shit?
Wasn't Red Text the "truth of the game", wheras Gold Text was simply the truth?

And thus you cannot "lie" with Gold Text, because even if a character is dead in the game, it isn't dead in real life. And nothing can deny the Gold Text, as it is simply the truth.
Hence why it can be superior or inferior depending on the situation.

Or did I get this wrong?

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:03:27 2011 No.6773563

>>6773531
Most of the people here never read it and are only raging over what they read here, which was probably written by people who never read it and are only raging over what they read here, and so on and so forth until we reach those who rage over what was written by those who actually DID read the game and/or more fundamental opinions on some Japanese blog, but can't coherently read Japanese.

It's a vicious cycle, really.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:04:27 2011 No.6773568

>>6773534
Well, murders being faked are hinted at a lot, people dead in "their favorite napping place", Beatrice saying she will give everything back if the epitaph is solved-including the dead, Beato being forgiven... And then Ep6, which is a confession, shoves them in your face along with Shkanon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:04:27 2011 No.6773573 >>6773563 Actually, I'd bet good money that most people here don't even rage about it themselves but like to see other people rage and hope to provoke some of that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:08:27 2011 No.6773586 >>6773573 That makes sense.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:08:27 2011 No.6773587

>>6773544
Kinzo took crazy chances for desired results, not crazy chances for random results.

Also, Kinzo, unlike Yasu, was an occult freak and not a mystery freak, he believed in special powers and meanings in sacrifice and gifts etc.
But no matter the case, Yasu played for a random result, unlike Kinzo, and thus the meaning for all the ritual is made redundant in the way anyway, even if one was to be believe in that kind of magic.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:09:27 2011 No.6773597

>>6773561
I saw it as a truth people choose to believe, that's why it's sometimes stronger, sometimes weaker than red.

"Beatrice did a splendid bit of magic with the teacup and the candy". It makes Maria happy, it's an adults resposibility to respect that. Why would you deny it if it? The red is is "It was a trick", everyone knows it was a trick, but everyone aknowleges it was magic because it makes Maria happy.

"The true nature of the Endless magic is to make people happy."

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:09:27 2011 No.6773601

>>6773568
Murder being fake is never hinted in episode 1-4 that are the ones that need to be solved since they are by Beatrice who actually want Battler to solve the game.

Episode 5 is fantasy from the begnning to the end and nothing that happen is reliable.
Episode 6 is by Battler who refuse to kill his family.
And both also had Erika who obviously changed the setupd in a big way, they couldn't just write the story normally with a mary sue detective around.

If you actually payed attention to the way Umineko work you would realize that the fake murder shit can't happen simply because all the stories are equal in the cat box anyways.
And Yasu is shown killing but never shown to be preparing a fake mystery for Battler.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:17:27 2011 No.6773643

>>6773601
>Murder being fake is never hinted in episode 1-4 that are the ones that need to be solved since they are by Beatrice who actually want Battler to solve the game.
Now, I am not one of the people arguing that Umoneko is good, if anything, on the contrary even.

But fake murders aren't all that far fetched even from the perspective of the earlier episodes, most of what you need to do is take the already existing lines of thought a bit further.
Like, Ep1's first twilight for instance, we already know that not everyone died as at least Shannon/Yasu/Kanon/Beato survived, so why not simply guess that none was ever dead? It isn't that much of a stretch as the first was never that good to begin with.

The same principe should be possible to lay out on most happenings, and then there is the whole trust thing that gradually builds in those episodes.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:17:27 2011 No.6773644

>>6773601
Beatrice (Yasu) wanted to hide the truth, not share it. From the moment it's written by someone else, clues appear.

Ep5 is "easy", it gives vital clues, including the baby thrown from the cliff, it's far from "fantasy from the begnning to the end and nothing that happen is reliable."

Ep6 is a "confession" by Battler. He took the GM mantle so easily because he knew he didn't have to kill anyone.

>If you actually payed attention to the way Umineko work you would realize that..
Let me throw that right back at you. You'd realize the whole theme of the game was love and how you need it to see the truth.

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:23:27 2011 No.6773679

>>6773644
Beatrice wanted Battler to know the truth.
Episode 5 is easy because nothing really happen.
Episode 6 is a confession because SHKANONTRICE SHKANONTRICE SHKANONTRICE

And I see no love in your shit, you are completely misunderstanding the whole game.
Once again nobody knows the truth.
Everything could have happened like episode 1, or episode 2, etc..., or it could be something completely different.

That make all the stories viable and reliable in a way.
But your fake murder stuff shit on most of these stories making most of Umineko completely unreliable.

Yasu killed in episode 1-4 but in the "real world" she just wanted to make a fake murder party?
Then why wouldn't the same could be said about Kyrie? She never could hurt a fly.
You could say the same for everything that happen in Umineko.

Looking at Umineko with love mean that you trust the writer and the world he created, your theory implies you don't trust him at all.
You have no love.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:23:27 2011 No.6773680 >>6773601 >Murder being fake is never hinted in episode 1-4 EP2 has Beatrice bribing the parents before the first twilight.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:25:27 2011 No.6773701 >>6773680 And then their stomaches were left open for all to see. Sure is fake murder here. We don't know what they talked about there but it surely not about making a fake murder party for Battler

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:33:27 2011 No.6773744

>>6773679
Beatrice wanted Battler to remenber his sin and that wasn't even written by Yasu. Only 1-2 were.

>Episode 5 is easy because nothing really happen.
Yea, ignore everything, why don't you.

>Episode 6 is a confession because SHKANONTRICE SHKANONTRICE SHKANONTRICE
Yea, keep ignoring everything but those parts you want.

>And I see no love in your shit
Yasu didn't just snap and kill everyone. It has way more love than she just..well, snapping and going crazy murderer.

>Once again nobody knows the truth.
We know it. Adults solved the epitaph, bloodfest followed, mainly because of Kyrie and Rudolf. Thus why Yasu wanted to hide it. Once again, takes love to see.

>But your fake murder stuff shit on most of these stories making most of Umineko completely unreliable.
I think you don't undestand what you are talking about.

>Yasu killed in episode 1-4 but in the "real world" she just wanted to make a fake murder party?
Exactly. 1-4 is the mystery and fiction to cover the cruel truth up.

>hen why wouldn't the same could be said about Kyrie? She never could hurt a fly.
I have bad news for you. Kyrie could do much more than hurt a fly.

>Looking at Umineko with love mean that you trust the writer and the world he created, your theory implies you don't trust him at all.
You have no love.
It's the opposite. I trust him enough to search for the truth while having in mind I must look at things with love.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:39:27 2011 No.6773778 >this thread >You have no love >You are all goats >Are you fucking retarded >Your theory sucks It's like every one of you became R07. Why don't you stop being brainwashed by that stupid bastard and be nice to each other

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:40:27 2011 No.6773782 love love love love love itt: people taking ryu07's shitty writing too seriously

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:41:27 2011 No.6773787 >>6773778 They are actually being polite. I see no problem in a theory debate such as this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:41:27 2011 No.6773788 >>6773778 Hey, I always play nice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:44:27 2011 No.6773803 >>6773778 Were Battler and Beatrice nice to each other?

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:44:27 2011 No.6773810

>>6773679
>But your fake murder stuff shit on most of these stories making most of Umineko completely unreliable.
What you described is a pick and chose idea, where several things can work and where you can pick and chose.
It could have been either 1, 2, 3 or 4.
But these are all unrelated to eachother as far as a conclusion goes as the events within them are standalone.

The fake murders thing is a try to make sense of all the episodes through, and the "real" events.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 20:45:27 2011 No.6773812 I don't know what EP8 is but I'm joining the rage. FFFFFFUUUUUU--------

Anonymous Fri Jan 7 21:01:27 2011 No.6773880

>>6773701

Rosa went batshit insane and killed them all, musou style.

She then dragons yasu/shannon into being her accomplice, thus why she lies about seeing kinzo and thus why she got shannon killed. She also knew about the bomb, that's why she was running for the shore near midnight,

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 21:19:27 2011 No.6773951 >>6773880 How exactly do you dragon someone?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 21:40:27 2011 No.6774051 >>6773812 That's exactly what everyone else who rages here does.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 21:47:27 2011 No.6774077 >>6773880 thank you based rosa, saving the day from the shitty ep it might be for me

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 21:53:27 2011 No.6774101 >>6773951 *drags. But shit, man, it's motherfuckin rosa, she can dragon whoever the fuck she wants, kinzo style.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 21:58:27 2011 No.6774118 >>6773679 >Yasu killed in episode 1-4 but in the "real world" she just wanted to make a fake murder party? I can say with certainty that you have no idea what the fuck is going on in Umineko. Also you very, very mad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 7 22:02:27 2011 No.6774135 >>6773880 why didnt she run to kuwadorian if she knew about the bomb?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 12:18:27 2011 No.6776191 Gaap was Maria's rose, right? Then again, I guess none of them had any definate form. Were the seven sisters 7 paper weights, or were they 7 maids?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 12:20:27 2011 No.6776198 >>6776191 They are paper weights, and their faces are based on the maids, i think.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 12:25:27 2011 No.6776215 >>6776191 >rose Why? But what was the deal with that rose? A dropped plot point? Something that was supposed to be braught up in the Land episode? Who's idea was it to wrap it in candy wrapper?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 12:27:27 2011 No.6776221 So where do I download ep 8?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 12:28:27 2011 No.6776223 >>6776215 George's idea, I believe. I'm guessing that the rose is only there to make Maria stay outside during the storm so she can get the first letter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 12:32:27 2011 No.6776236 I stopped playing after Episode 4 came out and haven't paid attention since. What happened?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 12:33:27 2011 No.6776238 >>6776236 Lots of stuffs that didn't matter in the end.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 12:35:27 2011 No.6776249 >>6776238 >smashed cd EP8 reveals Beatrice isn't a virgin?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 12:36:27 2011 No.6776252 File: 35 KB, 180x135, gsball.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6776215 >A dropped plot point? Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 12:39:27 2011 No.6776268 >>6776249 Well, Beatrice 1 is obviously not, and in case of Beatrice 2 it's even incest. As for Beatrice 3: Nah, but episode 7 revealed (s)he wasn't able to love due to the incident == the sexual organs were heavily damaged.

Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:01:27 2011 No.6776338

>>6773679
>Beatrice wanted Battler to know the truth.
Battler already knew the truth, idiot. She let the message bottles go as a way to throw doubt on another party and leave the family innocent, instead of exposing them for the selfish, greedy assholes they were.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:03:27 2011 No.6776344 >>6776215 No, it's not a dropped plot point. R07 explained what happened to it. Do you remember what Gohda served for dessert in EP1? It had rose petals fresh from the garden on it. It's really not anything special.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:05:27 2011 No.6776347 >>6776344 >It had rose petals fresh from the garden on it. But Maria's rose wasn't fresh.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:06:27 2011 No.6776349 >>6776344 Nobody would use a withered rose to decorate a dish, especially when you have countless fresh roses next to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:08:27 2011 No.6776356 It was probably a red herring. Withered flowers are weaker and there was strong wind blowing, it just got blown away. That, or it's Beatrice head decoration.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:09:00 2011 No.6776359 >>6776347 >>6776349 It's fair to assume that Gohda would spot Maria's rose while cutting another one for the desert and cut it, too. He is all about appearances, after all, and the rose wasn't nice to look at.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:10:27 2011 No.6776360 >>6776347 >>6776349 It used the stems too. If he was gonna pick some, why not pick the ugliest ones. Maybe he even though Kumasawa marked the flower for him or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:11:27 2011 No.6776364 >>6776344 >Do you remember what Gohda served for dessert in EP1? I do, and immediately drew the connection. Ryukishi has actually stated that this is correct?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:11:27 2011 No.6776366 >>6776347 >>6776349 It's fair to assume that Gohda would spot Maria's rose while cutting another one for the dessert and cut it, too. He is all about appearances, after all, and the rose wasn't nice to look at.

Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:12:27 2011 No.6776374
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>>6776344
What was the point of Gaap, then? Filler character?

inb4 fiction, etc.

God damn it, this is one of those times when you want the author to release what he once promised (in this case, Land of the Golden Witch), now that the series is pretty much over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:13:27 2011 No.6776375 >>6776374 Gaap was the first Beatrice Yasu imagined. It's in Ep7.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:14:27 2011 No.6776381 >>6776374 Gaap is a personification of forgetfulness. i.e. forgetting where you put your keys. Some people interpret her as being able to "hide the truth about a corpse" (Nanjo)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:15:27 2011 No.6776385 >>6776366 He made a sauce from rose hips. The rose doesn't need to be nice looking to liquify it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:19:27 2011 No.6776401 >>6776381 I also get the feeling that she represents Yasu's initial feelings towards Battler. "He's hot, I want to wear slutty dresses for him!" At which point Virgilia sets the goats on her/him.

Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:19:27 2011 No.6776402

>>6776385
Yeah, but didn't he also decorate something with rose petals?

And I imagine a withered rose would taste at least slightly different from a healthy one. Gohda doesn't seem like the type that would use anything but the highest quality, as long as it's available.

In either case, Gohda probably cut the rose. Whether he did it for the dessert or just because it looked bad is irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:21:27 2011 No.6776408 >>6776401 No, she represented a six year old's idea of a bad witch that used to be someone's mistress. Slutty, dresses all in red.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:26:27 2011 No.6776420 What will you Umineko fags do now that Umineko ended? Read it again and again and again?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:27:27 2011 No.6776423 You know why EP8 really sucks? You can come with the answer but without the author confirmation it's just another theory.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:28:27 2011 No.6776426 >>6776420 What do you do when things you like end?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 13:32:27 2011 No.6776445 Gaap's design is of that of the rose. But seriously, if it ever meant anything is beyond me, even if it did it has most likely been retconned.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 14:51:27 2011 No.6776744 What I wanted: Fake murder party. What I expected: Oh! It's a closed room!... Wait... Shannon? We loved discussing about this kind of stuff, didn't we?. What happened: ??? (Not what I wanted D:) Am I right? Did I reach the truth?

Anonymous Sat Jan 8 14:59:27 2011 No.6776772

>>6776744

Something along those lines, she wanted a fake murder party to let battler remember, but obviously she was ready and knew that a lot of people wouldn't be down with that and so she understood that there could be MANY RESULTS (lol kyrie) to "taking that chance" and putting into effect such a crazy and short noticed plan (a la Kinzo).

Not everything that happened was meant to be. And for those things that did happen the way she planned... MAGIC.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:03:27 2011 No.6776787 >>6776772 Where does she ever say that she wanted to do fake murders? I must have missed it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:04:27 2011 No.6776792 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_mystery_game HAHAHAHAHA...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:05:27 2011 No.6776798 >>6776787 Never, it's just a shitty theory promulgated by retards. If they would think about it for 2 minutes they would realize how fucking stupid it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:23:27 2011 No.6776871 >>6776798 >>6776787 Dude... IT'S HER GAME BOARD! ITS A GAME. A FUCKING GAME. Also, that's what she wanted, not really what happened.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:30:27 2011 No.6776895 The fake muder mystery that went wrong makes complete sense and only retards deny it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:33:27 2011 No.6776908 EP 6. A murder mystery game that went wrong... CONFESSION. Yup, it's like Higurashi all over again for me, brb, I'll watch the anime and figure all this shit out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:35:27 2011 No.6776915 >>6776798 Convincing argument there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:39:27 2011 No.6776928 >>6776871 It's not her gameboard, it's Battler. And it's a game between the writer and the readers, not a game in the normal sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:46:27 2011 No.6776954 - People that understand - People that don't understand - People that don't want to understand - Troll Choose your race

Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:53:27 2011 No.6776981

>>6776895
How does it make sense?
She prepared LOADED GUNS and a BOMB.
Episode 6 and 7 kept repeating ROULETTE OF FATE and BET EVERYTHING FOR A MIRACLE again and again.

How the fuck does reading things like this can make you think "Oh Yasu wanted to do a fake murder party"?
You guys are fucking stupid, seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:53:27 2011 No.6776982 File: 300 KB, 1200x754, 14884943.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6776954 >Choose your race All-around Yasufag Feels good man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:54:27 2011 No.6776989 >>6776981 She checked to make sure the bomb worked and kept guns in a place she thought no one would find.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:55:27 2011 No.6776995 >>6776989 The guns were loaded and maintained. Nobody let guns loaded for nothing

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:58:27 2011 No.6777004 So, if EP7's tea party is the truth, what was the point of EP1-4? I feel like I was gypped.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:59:27 2011 No.6777006 >>6776981 She wanted to, but she knew also that she wanted to take them bitches down with him/her.

Anonymous Sat Jan 8 15:59:27 2011 No.6777008

>>6776995
Mantained? They were crappy. And as we know from the stories Yasu wrote, she considered that the adults would go to Kinzo's study to get the guns, so she kept them in the least likely of all place for them to get in. And the Tea Party still has bits of fiction, Kyrie speaks to the goddamn clouds as if they were spectators, that was a giveaway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 16:00:27 2011 No.6777011 >>6776995 mantained? naah, one was broken.

Anonymous Sat Jan 8 16:01:27 2011 No.6777017

>>6777004
EP7's tea party still has fiction in it. It's not entirely the truth. When Bern is about to say that it's the truth in red, she didn't finish her sentence. It is pretty much something like "This is the truth from Eva's perspective", or something among those lines.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 16:02:27 2011 No.6777020 >>6777004 1-4 was the mystery for you to solve, Yasu was the culprit, as she wrote herself. You could figure Battler's promise and the foundations of Yasu (Shkanon).

Anonymous Sat Jan 8 16:11:27 2011 No.6777044

Is the real mystery of Umineko the cause (the "why-dunnit", if you will), not the who or how? Is that the real point of this mystery? Is that how I should view the story? Because it seems the murders may not have happened if the challenge was not made. The ones who actually committed murder are not as important as one who set off this chain of events and why. Is that the case?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 16:11:27 2011 No.6777045 >>6777017 Eva's truth is revealed to be the "one truth" in EP8.

Anonymous Sat Jan 8 16:13:27 2011 No.6777053

>>6777008
>>6777011
They still fired well enough.
And the aim was crappy because they were sawed-off Winchester, which is fucking stupid thing to do I must say.

>>6777020
Yasu didn't write episode 3 and 4.
And she first wrote episode 1 and 2 for her plan, as she said herself.
Later before her death she may have written a note for people to find the truth but these stories weren't written for that

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 16:19:27 2011 No.6777075 >>6777045 We never actually find out what the "one truth" is. Although from Ange's reaction, it's probably something at least very, very close to the EP7 Tea Party. We'll never know the exact details, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 16:43:27 2011 No.6777156 >>6777075 I'm just saying that if you think the EP7 Tea Party is Eva's truth, then that means it's the actual truth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 18:03:27 2011 No.6777554 Alright, time to ask this. EP8 character sprites fucking where? Thank you in advance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 8 20:06:27 2011 No.6778137 Too bad the wealthy Ushiromiyas could afford most of the wealth of the world, yet not decent mental help.

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