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Seeing the amount of "NO JUST NO", "RYUKISHI WHY ARE YOU SUCH A SHITTY WRITER", and "UMINEKO WAS A TRAINWRECK THROUGH AND THROUGH" recently concerning Umineko, here is a question for /jp/:

How would YOU rewrite Umineko? You are now head of 07th Expansion, and Ryukishi is in fact your cat. Let the ideas flow. You could rework the entire series to fit smoothly with the ending. You could throw out Chiru altogether. Big or small changes, they're all valid.

To start things off with the more obvious ones:

Format: Suggested edit (Why Ryukishi is not glorious and had to be edited)

-DID meido is not literal. Beatrice is at the most be Shannon's escapist fantasy self (Everybody hates DID. Umineko could work just as well without it. Yasu was doing pretty well with the imaginary friends. Removed) .
-Toya never comes to be. Ikuko finds a traumatized, near-dead Battler who suppresses his guilty memories surrounding Rokkenjima (same with DID, bad in general. Toya remembers an awful lot about everything before the murders for being supposedly amnesiac. It's not unbelievable for someone to suppress guilty/traumatic memories, unlike "total" amnesia)
-Add the item "Yasu's diary" (ep. 1-4 are partially about Battler discovering Beatrice/Yasu/Shannon's true self/heart. Ange comes to understand Maria through her diary. Battler could do likewise)

>> No.6758243

I'm completely fine with just removing EP8 ???

>> No.6758249

Battler x Stakes x Ange orgy end

With Ryukishi drawn CGs

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>>6758249
>Battler x Stakes x Ange orgy end
TAKE MY MO-

>With Ryukishi drawn CGs

>> No.6758279

Oh, simple.

Gohda and Jessica get the fuck out of dodge.

Everyone else can rot.

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R07 should really write eroges, he's the master of fetishes

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>>6758282
>Nasu + Ryukishi
>No more sea anemone sex

Holy shit, this would work wonderfully.

>> No.6758296

It turns out Jessica was the evil one all along Kyrie punches her to death, George marries Shannon, Kanon vanishes, Battler marries Toya, and Krauss builds hotels on the moon THE END.

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More clues to make the mystery actually solvable between 1-4.

Less garbage about love. The only people who give a shit about that are the 15-year old girls who post on Animesuki.

I would include whatever R07 had planned to do with "Land of the Golden Witch", as the "hard" games are always the most interesting ones and the ones that end up being the most useful in the end. The nasty "trick" he included in EP5 actually made EP5 solvable.

I've read EP8 spoilers but I'm going to suspend judgement on them until I've actually read how it plays out-- so I wouldn't change anything about the end just yet since I haven't really read it.

Also, in general, I would edit the fuck out of R07's writing. I dunno if BT was editing it for him or not before he died, but large sections of several episodes (4, 7 are the most egregious but others have issues too) seem to be completely unedited in places.

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Episode 8 : Cook of the golden witch

write it anon

>> No.6758310

>>6758300
>More clues to make the mystery actually solvable between 1-4.

But it already is solvable.

>> No.6758332
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>>6758300
see
>>6758310

pic: one must not ignore the heart, you will not be able to find the real truth.

>> No.6758333

>>6758310
No it wasn't. Yes, some people "solved" them, but it was really the whole community out grabbing at straws until someone happened to get the right one. Even then, they didn't know if they were correct for sure.

Ex. Personalities count as a person. Physically killing someone kills multiple people at once because the body contains multiple personalities. Shit like this was GUESSED at by some people, but we had not a chance in hell of knowing whether it was actually valid.

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>>6758282

Umineko Rei: Erika's femdom adventures.

>> No.6758355

>>6758332
EP7 teaparty and EP8 are no longer mysteries

>> No.6758360

I'll include lots more fun with Beatrice's group. Beato, Ronove, Virgilia, Gaap, most especially the Stakes. Siestas are invited along too.

Meta Battler optional but preferred.

>> No.6758362

>>6758333
>Personalities count as a person
That was what all the Ange parts of EP4 were about

>> No.6758377

>>6758300
>More clues to make the mystery actually solvable between 1-4.

It was completely solvable. Hell, before the EP5 translation came out /a/ came up with pony, which was 90% right.

>>6758333
>Personalities count as a person.

Oh, I see, you're that kind of person.

>> No.6758400

with all the info gathered, can episode 1 mysteries be solvable?

Will gave a simple explanation for everything during ep7 but it doesnt manage to solve everything

>> No.6758406

>>6758400
>can episode 1 mysteries be solvable?
like what?

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>>6758400
That kind of thing doesn't matter. You're missing the real point of the game.

In other words, you lack love, you goat.

>> No.6758411

Follow Knox's and Dine's rules when writing the 'mystery'. Introduce the rules later on as a clue to make it more solvable. Make Kanon and Shannon real people. Not have the servants help with the crime.

>> No.6758421

I scrap the Ushiromiya family murder aspect and the real world.

Umineko is now all about colored debates and witch trials.

All meta, all the time.

>> No.6758424

i just finished episode 7 does it mean that yasu is the culprit who killed everyone in games 1,2 and 4? or was it rudolf and kyrie in 3 and so forth?

either way it seemed he could have just made a culprit out of anyone, but i'd love to have seen rosa be the main one

>> No.6758425

>>6758400
Uh, EP1 is pretty damn easy to figure out bro.

>> No.6758430

>>6758424
Yasu is the culprit in 1 and 2, hijacked in 3, probably died early on in 4.

Doesn't mean they're the real culprit, so don't even try and think that shit, we've been through it already.

>> No.6758432

>>6758424
Yes for former

>> No.6758433

>>6758400
EP1 mystery is as follows:

Shannon was not dead. Her corpse was a fake.

Genji was the only one who saw the lock on Eva and Hideyoshi's room, Battler did not, and Genji lied about it.

Everything else is pretty easy to figure out.

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OP, are you implying Yasu has DID or something? Forgive me, it's just that your sentence structure and word choice confuses me.

>> No.6758444

>>6758433
Hold you horses, I was SURE Eva's room was closed in red (goes to check the red truth).

>> No.6758455

>>6758400

Yes.

EP1 was actually really easy.

>> No.6758456

However, the "who dunnit" and "how dunnit" are easy to solve during Ep1 but why did Yasu start to kill everyone?
and did the bomb explode during that story? last i remember was jessica, george, battler and maria with beatrice and suddenly metaworld...

>> No.6758457

>>6758440
Yes, that's what I am saying. Haven't read ep. 8 myself, I don't know if that's the final conclusion, but implying at all that Yasu has DID or using it as a plot device in any manner is just unacceptable for me.

>> No.6758461

>>6758457
Yasu doesn't have DID. Just imaginary friends. Imaginary friends =/= DID.

/jp/ has been through this so many times, it's not even funny.

>> No.6758466

Well first I'd actually read it instead of relying on out of context spoilers like a faggot.

>> No.6758478

I would have ended it on Ep 5 instead of drawing it out and making it up as I go along.

Also in an ideal world I would have never introduced Ange.

>> No.6758479

>>6758456
It's said in the end of EP4 by "Beatrice" when she is talking to Battler from the second floor.

Because of Battler's "sin", people die.

Battler's "sin" should be pretty clear. Whether or not that is a good reason to commit murders (or FAKE murders as some people's theories go...) is an entirely different matter. If you go by EP7 it's pretty clear that Yasu isn't exactly the most mentally stable individual, so if it helps, you could say Yasu completely lost it.

And yes, the bomb went off. Go to the TIPS and execute Jessica, Battler, Maria and maybe George, I forget.

>> No.6758484

>>6758466
>implying you know moon

>> No.6758488

>>6758457
She wanted Battler to remember their promise by making a mystery they both liked when they were younger. She believed this is the way to give the message because Battler is the type of person who would search for the "heart"

>> No.6758495

There was some writeup in another thread about Battler being the culprit and the stories being written by Yasu/Battler to mostly cover it up and cope with the fact, I thought that was pretty interesting.

The thing it needs most is motives. Amnesia is silly but the thing that pisses me off about Ep8 is all the dropped plot points and unexplained motives. Then he goes as far to insult the readers that want these things explained, what the fuck?

>> No.6758497

>>6758479
There was a fake murder plot, don't kid yourself.

>Yasu isn't exactly the most mentally stable individual
Yasu recognizes that magic is bullshit and that having imaginary friends is a fucking sad thing at the age she's at. I think she's pretty sane, at least sane enough to recognize that kind of shit. Surely more sane than Maria, who is autistic and thinks magic is more than tricks.

>> No.6758505

>>6758479
>And yes, the bomb went off. Go to the TIPS and execute Jessica, Battler, Maria and maybe George, I forget.
In which game?

>> No.6758514

>>6758497
i find hard to believe ep1 murders were fake and that everyone cried their hearts out while they were pretending to be dead

also, it is said in red that someone killed natsuhi and that the bullet in her forehead belongs to a different gun, i don't think that is a fake murder at all

>> No.6758520

No Shkanon (Shannontrice is fine though, as long as he actually goes for Shannon herself when he learns the truth instead of just clinging to his dead tsundere witch)
No author inserts and strawmen like Featherine and Erika
No endless rambling about love and how it's ok to be completely delusional

>> No.6758521

>>6758505
EP 1

Staff roll says the following about george, maria, battler and jessica:
Missing on the tenth twilight.
The Witch, whose existence he recognized and whom he prostrated himself before, beckoned him to the Golden Land.

>> No.6758526

>>6758514
Ep. 1 was confirmed as fiction far longer than the others have. No, it's not even like Battler's ep. 7, where everybody was just "pretending to be dead", the entire thing never happened in the first place.

Ep. 1 and ep. 2 are messages in bottles from Yasu.

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>>6758514
Fake murders don't apply to all episodes.

Good example of fake murders "proof" is EP6 where everyone was apparently playing dead until Erika murders them. It's actually a pretty big hint.

>> No.6758529

>>6758514
>i find hard to believe ep1 murders were fake
I don't think you understand, EP1-6 are tales meant to hide the "real truth". So those were real murders done by Yasus

>> No.6758533

>>6758514
>I don't understand the fake murder theory, or Umineko, at all

Alright then bro, have fun with that.

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>>6758203

Milk the cat.

>> No.6758538

>>6758520
>>6758497
>>6758461
OK, OK, I am confused as fuck. Can someone reliable confirm whether Yasu was relatively sane/non-DID and simply played pretend occasionally or was there really Shannontrice? (Shkanontrice is too farfetched for me to even touch)

>> No.6758541

>>6758526
we know EP 1 and EP 2 are fiction tales written by yasu

however, yasu was a mystery novel fan, therefore these tales ,as fictional as they might be, must have their own solution

>> No.6758549

>>6758300
>Also, in general, I would edit the fuck out of R07's writing. I dunno if BT was editing it for him or not before he died, but large sections of several episodes (4, 7 are the most egregious but others have issues too) seem to be completely unedited in places.

I think he's always had this problem and sadly I think he's too successful and full of himself now to come to terms with the fact that he needs a very dedicated editor.

>> No.6758558

>>6758529

EP1 and 2 were written by Yasu, but 3 is when Toya jacked Yasu's idea, if we're going by R07's 1998 AuAuthor meta-narrative nonsense.

>> No.6758562

>>6758558
Where are you getting this from?

>> No.6758563

>>6758538
Yasu (on Rokkenjima-Prime) had imaginary friends and occasionally playacted as Beatrice for Maria. Kanon's more ambiguous with what happened on R-Prime, but I don't think he matters for anything other than the games and hints toward's Yasu's gender issues.

"Shkanontrice" is true, just not in the way that we thought EP6 hinted towards. DID's got nothing to do with it.

>> No.6758568

>>6758541
>must have their own solution

And they do. Is there a problem here?

>> No.6758570

>>6758562
EP6 and 7.

>> No.6758571

you know what umineko is missing? the slice of life that was in huragashi. its what made it more then just a horror story and it was used to build up character development. there is no pause in umineko for character development and i think that a major problem.

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>>6758571
There are plenty of scenes where the characters dick around before the family conference, and some of the characters develop an awful lot throughout the series.

>> No.6758583

>>6758571
Umineko's character development problems also have the fact that there are so many of them, it's difficult to give all these characters enough time to make the reader care about them. When he tries to do it, it's typically in a really boring way like Natsuhi reminiscing on her vacation in Ep5.

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Platitude Man, Platitude Man,
Platitude Man hates Reader Man,
They have a fight, Platitude wins
Platitude Man

Talks about "love" whenever he can,
Has ego that no one can stand,
Open your wallets for his "Golden Land"
Pretentious man... Platitude Man...

*accordion solo*

>> No.6758588

is EP7 also a battler-tohya fiction tale? since battler seems to be missing i doubt it but im too counfused

>> No.6758591

>>6758571
Not to mention that unlike Higurashi, where eventually most interactions/events happen as you see the in each 'world' and ad to the character, this does not Happen in Umineko and you just shft through it and keep small vague facts out of tons of scenes

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>>6758562
EP6.

Ange and Toya talk about how Toya apparently wrote Banquet, Alliance, and End.

I believe it's mentioned in EP4 too about how people were writing their own Rokkenjima massacre stories. (R07 trying to predict that people would try and come up with original scenarios for Umineko, lol)

>>6758571

In EP1-4 there actually is a pretty good amount of character development.

In EP1 we learn about most of the main characters

EP2 has tons of slice of life stuff (Aquarium and School Festival)

EP3, all about Eva's childhood, Rosa's childhood too

EP4... Ange, yeah.

There's other kinds of character development too, like Lambdadelta's little scene in EP6 (see pic)
But yeah as a whole th

>> No.6758596

>>6758571
The slice-of-life in Higurashi was awful, though.

Similarly, the money discussions in Umineko can be pretty dull after endless repetition, too.

Anyways, it's hard to have character 'development' when you're following these (fictional) people for only 2 days. The meta characters have plenty of development, so I don't know why you're complaining.

>> No.6758599

>>6758596
Cause the Meta characters are not even characters

>> No.6758603

>>6758599
Going off spoilers again, I see.

Anon, you should know better by now.

>> No.6758605

>>6758594

Whoops.

But yeah, as a whole, the characters come off as poorly developed. Mostly because R07 was adding 3+ new characters per episode, and it's hard to develop old ones when you're constantly making room for new ones.

>> No.6758608

>>6758603
Even BEFORE teh spoilers, meta is META. It's a a distinctive world. The way they work themselves in the story makes them a DIFFERENT part.
Meanwhile, a whole other CAST gets ignored.
Meta should be the world that offers a different perspective, not the FOCUS.

>> No.6758612

>>6758599

Meta characters are the only real characters.

>> No.6758616

>>6758608
Get out of here, Dlanor.

>> No.6758627

>>6758608
It makes sense with the way the story is presented, though. You're not going to be able to attach yourself as much to characters you know are just going to die at the end, right?

>> No.6758628

>>6758612
And that is why the story and the events on the island seem POINTLESS.
'Family has some murders in the island, after EP1 we touch that for a few hours and enter WE ARE THE UNIVERSE SHAPING HOCUS POCUS AND MAKE BAD PSEUDO-PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMENTS'.
Then, it even TAKES OVER the island events.

And then EVERYONE GETS MAGICAL POWERS holy shit.

>> No.6758635

>>6758608

That is one of the reasons why so many people hate the ending.

It was supposed to be a mystery.

It the end it was a bunch of magical bitches playing around.

>> No.6758638

>>6758628
You mad, anti-fantasyfag?

Also, EP1 was full of fantasy bullshit too, just so you know.

>> No.6758644

>>6758627
Of course I will.
If you add proper interactions, well placed flashbacks that explain actions, and no long winded monologues. Allowing us to TRUTHFULLY see each character's thoughts (switching perspectives) would help. Each character on the island, the way he reacts to the events around him before the tragic end would be interesting.
But that would not make for good EIGHT EPISODE saga with 'A MYSTERY STORY THAT FEATURES THE MOST CHARACTERS EVER', would it?

>> No.6758651

>>6758635
Get out you goat

>> No.6758653

>>6758627
I did with Higurashi, it's what makes the deaths dramatic.
I find myself just not caring about Umineko's characters, especially now that it all has the possibility of just being delusions.

>> No.6758656

>>6758638
There were supernatural elements. It made a creepy atmosphere. Made you wonder 'Is it just magic tormenting them, or just a godo set up'.
It did not smack you in the fucking face with it.
I have no problem with fantasy. The problem is how it was developed and how the focus made a good part of the story seem pointless

>> No.6758660

>>6758635
mystery already ended in ep7 when Clair is dead

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>>6758635
>It was supposed to be a mystery.

I don't think so bub, at least not a proper one, what with the fantasy elements introduced in EP1.

Also, there is a mystery, and it's solvable, so stop whining.

>>6758644
So much mad up in here, sheesh.

>> No.6758676

>>6758669
Unless you are PSYCHIC and read minds, I do not know where you got 'mad' from.

>> No.6758681

Do you guys think you'll bother reading the next "no Naku Koro ni" series? I'm wondering if he's actually lost readers with all this rage going around.

>> No.6758683

>>6758676
I read minds

>> No.6758691

>>6758681
People really do need to calm the fuck down.

Anyways, considering I really enjoyed the ride with Higurashi and Umineko, despite some of the bullshit, I'll definitely be checking into the next series.

If it gets translated, that is. But since it's pretty well known in the western fandom there's a high chance that it will, right?

>> No.6758694

>>6758681
Yes

>> No.6758696

>>6758681
Depends on the Japanese readers. Did they rage as much or was it just /jp/ ?

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>>6758696
Japanese response has been pretty negative, it's easily the worst any of his work has done.

They don't complain about the amnesia as much as we do though, they complain about the goats and unanswered questions.

>> No.6758710

>>6758681
I don't like what I'm hearing about the ending, but the way there was lots of fun.
I'm probably gonna read his next series. Definitely if he openly states that he learned from the reactions to episode 8 (yeah, right).

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How to make Umineko more awesome?

DID; every maid and servant has DID, and they're all finger fucking each other, and they all wear Beatrice. DID maids DIDling DID maids all over the place. They also appear to have Did Rokkenjima.

PONY all over the place. Battler promised each DID Maid something different.

All Episodes simultaneously solvable by Knox AND AT THE SAME TIME Love. (And aren't possible as separate solutions, meta penetrates the real world at the moment of each murder, and the mystery fundamentally limits the meta simulation).

Meta battles about meta battles about meta battles. Seventeen new kinds of coloured texts.

Eight new loli self-insert witches. Battler is more obviously a witch, as is Kinzo. And they're both really female.

In the final episode Battler becomes Beatrice and is brutally raped by Kinzo; while they meta-battle.

>> No.6758723

>>6758715
I forgot the core of my Umineko rewrite

EVERYONE HAS EXPLOSIVE AMNESIA

>> No.6758729

>>6758723
Battler has small bombs in his mind?

>> No.6758740

>>6758635

Umineko was never a mystery. It's been stated from the start that it's actually a love story.

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I really dislike how Ryukishi dangled in front of us the possibility that we had another "multiple realities" just like Higurashi and that solving them individually would clear up the truth of all of them as well. Instead, he went "lol there is only one truth and all the previous were fiction". The main point he was trying to make was that they were fake tales trying to protect the "truth", yes, but there were so many other ways he could've gone around doing it instead that wouldn't have caused the majority of the first arc to become pointless in the larger picture.

What I believe would be a better idea would be to rid Umineko of multiple playing fields entirely. Instead, every game/episode would be the continuation of the last one, with the chessboard merely altered, not thrown away completely. Battler would slowly chip away at the magical illusion Beatrice has brought up, but not fast enough to win each game. He will lose each time, but expose a little bit of the truth every consecutive game. Beatrice, meanwhile, will be backed into a corner. However, for any portions of the story or Rokkenjima that Battler hasn't solved yet, Beatrice is free to twist as she wishes. [continued]

>> No.6758750

>>6758740
Romance is badly written too, so we are covered from every angle

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[continued]
New game logic:
1. Battler has x amount of knowledge about the happenings of Rokkenjima.
2. Anything he does not know, Beatrice is free to conjure up as much magic as she want in those time periods/places he does not know about.
3. Battler uses the knowledge as that he possesses to construct possibilities that could have happened in the places where Beatrice has hidden the truth with magic. He asks confirmation for his conjecture in blue truth. If it is true, Beatrice must confirm it in red.
4. Once Battler has gained this red, he has more clues/facts at his disposal, meaning Beatrice has less wiggle room to conjure her fantasy scenes in the next game. For example, if Battler should confirm the people who died up until x point in time, then Beatrice can no longer freely choose their time and place of death and must follow the facts.

Basically, it would work mostly the same way as the original, but Battler earns his red, instead, and plays on one game board instead of several.


Also, I liked the idea of Eva being portrayed as "villainous" in ep. 3 (or at least Eva Beatrice), only to be confirmed innocent later. What might progress the first few games along more speedily would be to introduce the OBVIOUSLY EVIL meta counterpart of one person on the island for ep. 2 and 4 (ep. 1 and 3 are taken), and allow Battler to prove their innocence and shatter their meta counterpart.

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[continued]
Also, Ryukishi needs to get rid of character bloat. A lot of meta-characters outside of the main few are completely irrelevant to the main plot. BUT, since many of them are good fun to watch, it'd be a waste to throw them away, so instead...

Assign previously useless/under-utilized meta-characters new roles as symbolism (because Ryukishi seems to like doing that). Examples:

Seven Stake Sisters: Outside of being the first mook squad introduced and having quirky personalities (and also being Ange's emotional support), they... don't do much, despite being the, y'know, seven representations of sin and all that. They could take up the role of the "motive revealers" in the meta-world, and be associated with certain characters (much like how Leviathan was associated with Kyrie for a bit). They would go on and on about how their respective victim is "so evil, Batorraaa, you know that they went stab-happy because they were greedy/gluttonous/etc.". Essentially, they would help reveal the "whydunnit" and let themselves be shot down by Battler and his unflinching trust in his family (but Leviathan isn't going down, HUH...). They would then become part of his harem.

Siesta Sisters: I really don't know how they function outside of being victims for Rosa and a a separate squad to summon outside of Stakes... remove them? (don't really see how they couldn't be easily replaced). Chiester410 could be kept, at the very least. Don't see a reason for more, Stakes are more olev.

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[continued]

Eiserne Jungfrau: Dlanor is the only one that matters. Remove the rest, elevate her character importance to Will status. Yes.

Erika and Auau: If we are to go by the magic ending of ep. 8, Ikuko is basically the BT to Battler/Toya's Ryukishi. She would be the critic/editor, in other words. Combine Erika and Auau (mostly with Erika's personality and quirks) to form Battler's "critic" in Chiru, as he starts spouting bull after finding the ugly truth and it's up to Erika to beat it out of him. I don't know whether to put her social status above or below Bern, though.

Gaap: Give her reign over closed rooms.

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>>6758740
umineko_op2.avi from the movie folder.

I didn't want to believe it, but he told us from the start.

>> No.6758770

Here's my truth. I'm seriously considering writing this.

Rokkenjima is inhabited by the remnants of Unit 731's secret work into making a seagull/human hybrid that could fly to America and deliver bombs, as a counter to America's bat bomb plan. Those misshapen monsters are sentient and plot revenge for the cruelty inflicted upon them, but find the human occupation of the island troublesome, so they want to kill off everyone and stage it as the humans murdering each other. Since they're flying, they aren't on the island sensu stricto, and since they're neither animals nor people, they don't count towards the person limit and yet can still interact with the board. They feel a twisted camaraderie towards normal seagulls, and knowing that their mission will be dangerous, they have sent them off the island. This, and not the storm, is the true cause of the absence of gulls on the island.

Since they're engineered to essentially be live balloon bombs, the seagull mutants can blow themselves up when needed. Beatrice is one such seagull hybrid Kinzo shot down during one of his hunts (hence her trapping - Kinzo was also said to be fond of hunting, so it fits perfectly) and fell in love with. That also explains why the Beatrice Rosa met is naive, she's a mutant seagull person who has no idea about technology.

Kinzo has impregnated Seagulltrice and sees her offspring as the new "Beatrice". Since seagull/human hybrids grow faster than humans (believe me, I'm a researcher on freakish hybrids) this is completely plausible. Seagulls use projectile vomit to defend themselves against intruders. Seagulltrice can employ a more drastic version of this, her vomit is a solid, stake-shaped construct. She only has enough food in her stomach for seven vomit projectiles, hence the seven stakes.

New characters in EPX will include Hume, Descartes and Buer. There will be a scene where Battler will pull Auau's wig, revealing that she has a bald spot, after the events in Comiket 77.

>> No.6758772

>>6758762
Well, it was a shitty love story.

Ryukishi seems to think that baitswitching somehow makes him a crafty and intelligent writer. Nu-uh, it just makes the story fragmented and the fans mad.

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>>6758770
And Eva is a secret spy sent by the American bat-team.

>> No.6758775

>>6758681

I will.

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>>6758775
Just like you'd Hanyuu's horns, huh?

>> No.6758796

>>6758681
/jp/ always needs something to rage.

>> No.6758798

A guy named William Shakesman once said...

http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/22650724

EDITING. LOTS AND LOTS OF EDITING. There are better ways to express character traits and events than WORDS WORDS WORDS

The playthrough has been going for more than five fucking hours and we haven't even gotten to the first murder yet. I sure as hell don't remember the time it took to get to the murders in the PC VN but once you have a strong opening with Kinzo that piques interest like in Ep 1 you'll want to skip all the filler crap, get the family's personalities and issues out of the way, then get to the plot.

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ONE DAY AFTER GUNDOLF THE WHITE WAS FINISHED WATCHING FRODO KILL THE RING HE DECIDED TO TRAVEL THE KAREKA TO SEE HIS FRIENDS FROM UMINEKO HE SAID " I HOPE I GET THE RIGHT ONE THIS TIME HOHOHOHOHO" THEN HE FOUNDED THE ONE WORE HIS OLD WIZARD SCHOOL FLAME VIRGILIA WAS LIVING FROM HE THEN NOTICED THAT GREAT CHESS GAME OF MURDER WAS GOING ON SO HE DECIDED TO SAY HELLO TO ALL THE WITCHES "HELLO" SAID GANDOLF THE GRAY "I BROUGHT GIFTS FROM MIDDLE EARTH" HE THEN GOTTD HIS ELF WEED LOADED UP BEATRICES PIPE SHE SAID " OHOHOHO WELL WOULD YOU LOOK AT THE TIME" AUTHORS NOTE THE TIME IS 420 BATTLER WUS LIKE I'M STRAIGT EDGE SMOKE OUTSIDE THEN BERNKASTEL AND LAMBDADELTA SHOWED UP AND CACKLED AT THE INCOMPENT STRAIGHT EDGE GUY AND SAID U TOOK STEROIDS INCOMPENT IDORT GUNDOLF SAID " STOP DIS RIGHT NOW THIS GIFT IS MEANT TO HEAL N OT TO HATE" AND HE TOOKD A HIT THEN BERN SAID " HELLO FELLOW SENTATER GO AWAY THIS IS CHESS GAME OF MURDER" GUNDOLF THEN SUMMONED HIS FURNITURE LEGOLAS AND THEN HE SHOTTED ARROWS BUT SIESTA SISTERS SHOT ARROWS OUT OF THE WAY WITH GOLD ARROWS AND THEN TIED HIM UP BUT WHEN THE FINAL GOLD ARROW WAS ABOUT TO HITTED HIM GIMLY HIT THE ARROWS AND SAID " YOU HAVE MY AXE EVEN THOUGH I STRONGLY DISLIKE ELVES I WILL HELP MY DEAR FRIEND CUS IM FURNITURE " BUT HE DECIDED THAT CUS WE WAS A DWARF HE NEEDED SOME DWARF BEER AND THEN RONOVE BROUGHT SOME BEER AND DWARF COOKIES HE SAID "THANK YE KINDLY MATE" AS HE DRANKED SOME GUNDOLF SAID BATTLER WEAR IS MY OLD WIZARD SCHOOL LOVE VIRGILIA THEN HE SAID SHE DIED IN MAGIC FIGHT OF MAGIC LAMBDA SAID CAN U LEAVE NOW GO BACK TO UR ELFS QUIRE OLD MAN THEN MARIA SHOWED UP AND GUNDOLF TAUGHT HER WHITE MAGIC AND SHE BECAME THE WHITE WITCH AND KILLED THE EVIL WITCHES AUTHORS NOTE THIS ISN'T CANON

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The sad thing is, it's not like Umineko was unsalvageable. If you threw the plot into the hands of competent writer, it easily could've been something amazing.

Alas, the only re-adaption Umineko is ever going to get is from DEEEEEEEN.

>> No.6758833

>>6758816

Chiaki improved a lot recently.

Chiru may actually be watchable.

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Ange and her onee-sama Battlerko.
Beatrice and Battlerko bondage.
Erika and Battlerko catfights.

Make Umineko a glorious lesbian orgy, and I'd be satisfied.

>> No.6758841

>-DID meido is not literal. Beatrice is at the most be Shannon's escapist fantasy self (Everybody hates DID. Umineko could work just as well without it. Yasu was doing pretty well with the imaginary friends. Removed) .
What DID? Are you from episode 6 or something?

>> No.6758850

>>6758838

You will like EP8 Tea Party.

>> No.6758857

Right, Umineko's over.

You can leave now, Animesuki. I don't know why you came here in the first place. You have Animesuki, don't you? Go be underaged there.

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>>6758857
You make it sound like /jp/ hasn't been shitting themselves over this for several days as well.

>> No.6758872

>>6758866
Half of "/jp/" in Umineko threads is Animesuki.

>> No.6758877

>>6758872
what is animesuki

>> No.6758886

>>6758857
>>6758872
>GET OUT PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO POST ON OTHER FORUMS ANON IS LEGION
You tell people from AS to get out, but on the other hand /jp/ could never theorize for shit if they did because anyone who can goes to both. See how many things predicted by prominent AS users came true in 8, like author theory, rokkenjima prime, etc

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>>6758872
You know what, I'm tired of you jerks talking bad about Animesuki all the time. It's a great forum, with a lot of nice and intelligent people. I'm a regular there, I should know.

a lot of Umineko discussions there are just as profound and intelligent as the best that /jp/ could ever muster. But does this make them all elitist? No, they're still nice, and willing to do some cross-board idea exchange, unlike you jerks.

I don't even know why I came here in the first place.

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>>6758895
And I come from Gaia.

>> No.6758906

>>6758895
There's no question that animesuki is shit, the question is just whether /jp/ is more shit or less shit. It varies.

>> No.6758907

>>6758857

Hooray!

Now we can talk about TypeMoon powerlevels all day long!

And Sakura is such a slut!

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>>6758907
This is now a waifu thread.

>> No.6758966

>>6758906
the whole internet is shit, it has been shit since internet 2.0.

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>>6758966
Pooshlmer isn't shit.

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