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>> No.6694698

Widescreen VN from the Japan of the year 2020.

>> No.6694702

Ever noticed how absurdly large Shannon's breasts are? Yasu suuuuuure loves those pads.

>> No.6694708

Yep, that pretty much sums up Umineko.

>> No.6694712

>>6694702
because she can't grow em normally and is "unable to love" Battler, who loves rude titties, as a result.

You heart it here first.

>> No.6694729

Yasu's acting skills are a miracle of the universe.
Nappi is just jelly, because now there is someone more moe than her.

>> No.6694730

Yeah, if you put it like this, small bombs sound almost possible.

>> No.6694727

>>6694712

>You heart it here first

yes, sir!

>> No.6694731
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>>6694712
If only Battler loved DFC lolis with long black hair this tragedy would have never happened.

>> No.6694735

>>6694731
Lies, you breast-sommelier!

>> No.6694736
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>> No.6694738

>>6694731

But Yasu has not black hair.

Nothing could stop the tragedy. Excepting Battler'd said he liked genderless blondes.

>> No.6694747

>>6694738
What would you do if I said I was gay but exclusively a top? That wouldn't match you at all, right?

>> No.6694748

This thread makes me miss Beatrice in the worst way ;_;.

>> No.6694751
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I enjoyed EP 7s solution. Even though it is absurd it was also very beautiful. My favorite part however was Rudolph and Kyrie murder duo with dat deliciously evil bgm and Kyrie's game theory thinking put in action. I was actually rooting for them to get away and live a happy life with Battler.

>> No.6694753

>>6694748

>YAMI WO KIRISAKU
>OH DESIRE ;_;

Go back to bed, Goldsmith.

>> No.6694763

>>6694751

>Rudolph and Kyrie murder duo with dat deliciously evil bgm and Kyrie's game theory thinking put in action. I was actually rooting for them to get away and live a happy life after killing Battler so the silly Battler=Juuza theories stop.

>> No.6694770

>>6694753

BUT I'M NOT TIRED! BEATORICHEE! ;_;

>> No.6694778

>>6694689
Of course we only see Shannon and Kannon in Yasu's and Hachijo's fictionalizations of the murders so there's no reason to think Yasu actually pretended to be 2 servants at the same time.

>> No.6694782
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>Mon visage when this was the best part of Episode 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLuSj6tP5nA

>> No.6694786

Considering what Kinzo did to Beatrice Castiglione's daughter, do you think Kinzo ever hit that Lion ass in the kakera where Natsuhi accepts Lion?

>> No.6694787

>>6694782
Whatever, the best part was George dieing like a little bitch, feels cathartic man

>> No.6694790

1. Genji is in charge of the scheduling and he takes care of all servant matters. Natsuhi and Krauss don't do jack.

2. Mansion is huge. You wouldn't find it unusual not to see them together.

3. Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo know that Shannon is the real heir and will follow her orders.

>> No.6694793

>>6694786

Absolutely.

>> No.6694795

>>6694786
I don't think so seeing as how Kinzo probably gave Lion the headship as atonement for the sins he already commited.

>> No.6694796

>>6694795

> Kinzo probably gave Lion the head

I'm sure he did.

>> No.6694800

>>6694796
sorry, the "probably" was referring to Kinzo's atonement you high bastard

>> No.6694803

>>6694790
not these stupid ""arguments"" again.

>> No.6694811

>>6694790
It's also said that Kanon is unsociable. He doesn't like to speak often. Talking in a voice that's not your normal voice would be a strain.

>> No.6694814

>>6694795

Or he just gave Lion the headships because he despises all his other sons.

>> No.6694815

I think I have a decent theory to explain this. As follows:

Red text that refers to Kanon only ever says two things of note; that he is dead, and that he was killed in Jessica's room. No time frame is given for this, it could be well before the family conference. This solves the 'personality death' red truth bullshit.

There are multiple references throughout the story to "a servant who didn't respect Beatrice, who had an /accident/". This is repeated too much to be unimportant. I believe this servant was Kanon, and Jessica killed him (I would guess by accident? Could be Yasu instead, but Jessica works better). The death is covered up by Natsuhi and Krauss, as a police investigation would uncover Kinzo's death and their embezzlement (and possibly result in a murder charge for their daughter).

As such, Yasu impersonates Kanon during the family conference.

This is why noone seems to notice that Kanon and Shannon are the same person: they know, but they're forced to cover it up. Even when one of the pair "dies" in EP1, Natsuhi cannot bring herself to uncover the secret, because it would require Jessica's deed to become public knowledge. This fits reasonably well, since Natsuhi's obviously suspicious of Shannon in EP1.

Anyone spot any hole/got and improvements? This feels pretty good to me, but it's something I've been turning around in my head for a while, so I might have lost perspective.

>> No.6694824

>>6694803
All facts given to you in the story, friend

>> No.6694825

>>6694689
Pretty much sums up how retarded the Shkanon theory is. Saved.

>> No.6694826

>>6694815
Good thing R07 didn't make an episode just to tell us personalities can die...

>> No.6694827
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6694827

did DEEN knew even before the answer?

>> No.6694828

>>6694815
This is actually a pretty damn good theory you got there bro.

>> No.6694831

>>6694815
That... actually makes a lot of sense.

>> No.6694833

>>6694827
Christ! I forgot how bad the animation was.

>> No.6694834

>>6694825
The OP image was made before the theory was confirmed in Episode 7.

>> No.6694838

I've wanted so long for this but

FUCK YOU, YOU JIVE JESSITRICE MOTHERFUCKERS

>> No.6694835

>>6694815
First of all, you're totally ignoring the presence of Kanon in Ep6's final riddle red text.
Second, if a servant died like this, why is Shannon going around spreading rumours about the accident? Sure, she days he was just injure, but wouldn't it be better to simply keep silent about it whatsoever?

>> No.6694836

>>6694815
The servant who had an unfortunate accident fell down some stairs and left, the servant didn't die. That and the whole Kanon romance thing starts after Yasu has already created Kanon, which she/he did pretty much out of thin air.

>> No.6694844

>>6694835
Fuck, my hands are shaking.
>She says he was just injured

>> No.6694848
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>>6694827
>did DEEN knew even before the answer?
Well, yeah. They would have been told. In particular, Beatrice's VA was told the truth.

>> No.6694854

Schkanontrice is terrible and wrong. Long live Nanjohdatrice.

>> No.6694855

>>6694815
>Red text that refers to Kanon only ever says two things of note; that he is dead, and that he was killed in Jessica's room.

>Kanon did not die in an accident!
>Ushiromiya Jessica has not committed murder
>Of course. Three people--in other words, three bodies--went in or out. Only you and Kanon entered, and only Battler left. It has already been said in red that all people can only use their own names. Therefore, the names Erika, Battler, and Kanon can only be used by those people.
>At the time Battler was rescued, only Kanon entered the guest room.

It seems like you came from episode 4 or something.

>> No.6694868

Psychotic maid?

I liked her better when she was called Kohaku.

>> No.6694874
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6694874

This is what shkshitters actually believe

>> No.6694884

>>6694868
Yasu is not psychotic.

>> No.6694887

>>6694874
The truth is, people who need money can easily be bribed. PLEASE don't let anyone in on this revolutionary idear I done did had.

>> No.6694888

>>6694855
>Ushiromiya Jessica has not committed murder

Shit. I guess you could say Natsuhi killed Kanon? It works, but it makes less narrative sense. It's getting shaky, but it just seems to work so well..

And yeah, I haven't a fucking clue how to solve EP6's logic error. But I refuse to accept magic lightbulb personalities as acceptable (this comment directed at R07, not people who disagree with me)

>> No.6694894

>>6694874
Illusions to illusions... You know the rest.

>> No.6694896
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>>6694874

So...telling Rudolf things,huh?

>> No.6694905

>>6694888
There's no proof that Jessica knows about Shkanon.
But there's no proof that she doesnt know either.

The only proofs admissible in this game are the red, gold and Battler POV.

And none of these ever proved that Jessica knew or not.

What we can do is to use Knox as a guideline, and we're doing very well in estabilishing Jessitrice as an acceptable truth.

>> No.6694914

>>6694874
This image only serves to reinforce how right Shkanontricenzobattler2 is.

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>> No.6694922

Why does it seem like I stepped back in time to see this thread

>> No.6694924

>>6694874

Ah, nice old school.

Reminds me, you can look at the different episodes as being largely "who does Yasu intend to bribe". EP1 is Hideyoshi and Eva who she then kills, EP2 is Rosa, who gets bombed, EP3 is apparently no one (perhaps Nanjo Kumasawa and Genji also faked their deaths in the first twilight only to get shot) and then gets served by Eva, EP4 is presumably Kyrie and Rudolf who she kills, and EP5 and 6 are magic self insert erika screwing the whole thing up.

I would hazard that Krauss and Natsuhi would never have agreed to work with Yasu. Maybe this is why they die early a lot.

>> No.6694930

>>6694922
Might have to do with me posting old theories from over a year ago.

>> No.6694957

>>6694888
>I guess you could say Natsuhi killed Kanon

How many children will Natsuhi murder before the end of Umineko?!

>> No.6694964

>>6694930
It's reassuring that you aren't posting them seriously.

>> No.6694969

>>6694957

Who killed George in Ep3? I wonder...wasn't best mother taking a walk in the outside?

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>>6694827
>>6694848
>Ronove, Virgilia and Yasutrice in the same room

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT MARIA

>> No.6695024

>>6694824
No. Or rather, out of context it doesn't mean anything. The mansion is huge so it would not be strange? Please. Especially when they are SPECIALS because of the one-winged eagle, among other things.
Genji take care of everything?
Of a lot of things, yes. But it's also Natsuhi's job.

Damn, at lest try to find something new, everyone have already heard these stupid arguments at least ten times.

>> No.6695063

>>6694888
>I haven't a fucking clue how to solve EP6's logic error.

Yasu enters room, lets Battler out. Decides that she will abandon being Kanon, and hides as Shannon. Thus Kanon is not in this room, because he "died", "stopped existing" . Erika didn't think about one person having many names and personalities, only one name being assigned to many people.

>> No.6695072

>>6694992
Back to /a/.

>> No.6695077

>>6694957
All the children.

All of them

>> No.6695085

>>6695063
Yeah, remember how Beatrice says Kanon isn't in the room.

That he "doesn't exist"

>> No.6695110

>>6695063

That's not how DID works

>> No.6695132

>>6695110
Stop that.

Remember, it takes two people to create a universe/love/another person. When Yasu stopped acknowledging Kanon as a person (the other person being Jessica), he ceased to exist. That's how things work in Umineko.

>> No.6695136

people still bitching about the solution?
with all the servants and 1 million yen there aren't any issues in earlier games
and ryu spent plenty of time on justifying the motivation
the hints started coming from episode 1 so there's no argument to say it came out of nowhere
and when people started reading into them the wrong way ryu even stepped in and told you the way you had to read it to make sense

guy created a novel with an answer that could be found as long as the reader was willing to play along and the peoples start complaining how they want to solve it and read it their way

it's worse than 7 years olds playing risk without reading the rules

>> No.6695145

>>6695132
You wish. It's just as likely as "a witch did it".

And ep7 does no hint to a DID. At all.

>> No.6695146

>>6695110
That's because Yasu doesn't have DID. She's just unhappy and delusional, which leads her to imagining she's someone else. There were different reasons for it, but in 1984 her remaining reasons are, I think, as follows:
Beatrice for Battler
Shannon for George
Emo boy for Jessica

All this love duel in ep6 is her conflict whom to choose, and she discards others except Shannon. Thus they were killed by Yasu.

>> No.6695159

>>6695146
doesn't change the fact that the DID theory doesn't work anymore with EP6 now. Granted, LULZimaginary friend is just as useful, but cannot be used in exactly the same way.

>> No.6695160

>>6695110

sorry you didn't have the displeasure of passing an introductory psychology course, but patients suffering from DID are not generally aware of their other personalities prior to diagnosis.

ryu states very clearly that yasu created the personalities within her intentionally and never lost knowledge of that due to some psychotic reasoning.
just as you can be a 'different person' among different friends yasu created different personalities for different situations and then lost track of which was really her

>> No.6695172 [DELETED] 

>>6695160
Too many interaction between them in order to be a DID. Yasu have NOTHING to do with multiple personalities.

>> No.6695178

>>6695160
Too many interaction between them in order to be a DID. Yasu have NOTHING to do with multiple personalities.
Forgetting which one is the "true one" would be exactly the same thing.
In fact, your part about forgetting is completely unnecessary.

>> No.6695192

>>6695024
>Of a lot of things, yes. But it's also Natsuhi's job.

Somebody didn't read EP7.

>> No.6695209

>>6695192
no, somebody read ep5 and ep7, and that's why he is saying this.

>> No.6695260

I'm sticking to my Shannon-and-Kanon-are-Yasu's-furniture-like-Sakutarou-is-Maria's theory.

>> No.6695265

>>6695260
Well, it's not so far from what EP7 is ""saying""

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