Umineko General

[Anonymous No.]

Posting as a new thread since the old one ( >>6663211 ) is autosaging.
The rumours of my death have been greatly exagerrated

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a good end 1?

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>>6665040
I believe he implies the big comic that was posted back in summer. Check his gallery.

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>>6665045
The one where Beato is all like "score!"?

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Ah, Yasu gets both Battler AND Jessica. Good end indeed.

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>>6665051
Yes. It was called Good End, wasn't it?

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>>6665045
>Check his gallery.
link?

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It's pretty amazing how the adults can actually slaughter each other after being given all that. If they weren't all so irredeemably greedy their relationships would probably greatly improve from the find due to them not giving a fuck anymore.

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Kyrie has the best face in the second panel. Just look at her!

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Does someone have a link ro Ryfu translated comics?

I'm looking especially for ep VII comics.

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>>6665016
Damn, Shanon is bawling on the second last frame.

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>>6665083
In before Rokkenjuma syndrome that makes everyone more greedy, aggressive and hysteric (I'm looking at you Eva).

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>>6665083

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>>6665045
Someone link, please?

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>>6665132
>>6665076
http://shroedinger.deviantart.com/

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>>6665016
I love Shrodinger so much.

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>>6665096

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>>6665137
Bern's fucking face, god damn. That's not Bern at all.

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>>6665016
>dat comics.
Glorious.

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>>6665140
so it was him that made that creepy looking ronove from long ago

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>>6665137
Bern's face is awful.

And what happened to all the theorizing that was going on in the last thread? This thread is boring.

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>>6665016
Oh Shroedinger, your Eva's back is the best.

captcha: willsecs Gloos-
WHY.jpg

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>>6665193
Like anything good ever comes from /jp/'s theorizing.

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>>6665216
I never take the theories seriously, or even remember them past a few hours. They're just interesting and sometimes funny to read. At least for me.

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>>6665223
Yea, I like the discussion too.

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[Anonymous No.]

Okay, let's discuss the latest interwiew with Ryukushi.

>75% of the thruth was revealed until now
>We will never again talk about Yasu's motive. If you haven't gotten it until now, too bad
>Kinzo's Backstory might have been exaggerated to some degree
>it's nothing like Matsuribayashi
>Ange is the vital if not main focus piece of this episode

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>>6665234
>>6665137
Are those from the PS3 port?

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>>6665236
World peace shenanigans incoming.

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>>6665234

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>>6665237
yes

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>>6665124

Why Eva?

Ah right! Rosa, Krauss, Nappi, Kyrie and Rudolf weren't being unusuallly greedy.

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Shroedinger's comics are the best thing of all these threads.

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>>6665256
Krauss wanted to stick to the 50% deal despite 25% being all you'd ever need anyway. Natsuhi was with him.

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>>6665236
First of all, has this been confirmed as a real interview from Ryu?

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>>6665195
>your Eva's back is the best.

I think his unique "denialfags gonna deny" walking postures deserve some praise as well

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>>6665267
Krauss did have a point though. But yea, he was greedy too.

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>>6665105

Please?

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>>6665236
Source or I call bullshit.

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>>6665278

He was not only greedy but also too prideful. As Lion said he was not in a position that would enable him to be so full of himself.

The same as Eva triggered the massacre he did with the fight.

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>>6665267
It's greedy, yeah, but it was still a deal they made before hand. They even went into it saying that they'd work together since they've already agreed on how to split it.

So yeah, he was greedy in trying to stick to the deal... but that greed only came out because the others were even greedier by trying to BREAK the deal.

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>>6665305
>>6665236
>>6665275
It's from a thread yesterday or so. People were tired I guess, since it was 3:00 here in Middle Europe at the time, but if it's legit, I suppose Animesukifags would be discussing it.
brb checking.

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So I just finished EP7, and my only question is what's up with Kanon on real Rokkenjima?

Is he just an imaginary friend? Does he even really matter outside the games?

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>>6665341
After all of that I still think that him being a real person would be a mediocre troll, though still wouldn't put it past Ryu.

Otherwise I am eager to know who is the missing person.

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>>6665341
The lack of Kanon on Ep7 was disturbing. But people will just call you delusional and retarded if you even mantion it.

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>>6665341
How the fuck can you ask that when Yasu herself says she'll make a little brother persona to fill Battler's gap for a while?

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>>6665341
He's a part of the entity called Yasu who also has Shanon and Beatrice inside her/his.

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>>6665311
>but aren´t they an ASIAN family
someone explain this please

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>>6665354
Alright, but why can the servants (well, Genji and Kumasawa) talk to him?

...Is Yasu/Shannon just imagining him replying and shit, like she did with Shannon beforehand?

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>>6665363
Genji and Kumasawa go along with it because they know who Yasu is (and how messed up is his head).

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>>6665363
Genji and Kumasawa play along with it. In EP1, when Rosa is asking about who gave Maria the letter, Shannon is all "I was with Kanon and Kumasawa" and Kumasawa backs her up.

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>>6665313
its been posted on animesuki and everyone pretty much ignored and agreed it was bull. What else would you expect out of something whose source is /jp/?

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>Ange being main character or vital point in episode 8.

Gonna be in for a long, boring ride. Bored the fuck out of me in ep 4.

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>>6665341
>>6665363
In case that is so, yes. And there is another person on the island, otherwise the numbers don't really add up.
In the other scenario, someone told her he is coming beforehand and she dreamt him up before he could arrive, so that's why he is sort of a prick anywhere without her and the mild Kanon-kun in fantasy scenes.

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>>6665382
>something
>whose

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>>6665357
don't get it either. genetics is irrelevant to asians?

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>>6665392
>>6665357
Asians are never blonde.

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i´m fine with anything as long as Bern is trolling the HELL out of those greedy traitors and morons with bad haircuts

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>Ange is the vital if not main focus piece of this episode
>Ange

Enjoy your long and boring side story.

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>>6665385
>nd there is another person on the island, otherwise the numbers don't really add up.
That depends on how you define a person. A big chunk of Ep4 was about defining a person, if a person needs an own body or just a different personality etc.

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>>6665385
>someone told her he is coming beforehand and she dreamt him up before he could arrive

This is what I thought. Like, Kanon does exist on real Rokkenjima as a person with his own body but in the games Yasu wrote him as an extension of him/herself.

Or something.

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>>6665394
but they are richfags with a shitload of gold? i´m sure thy could´ve hired a few sciencefags to "produce" a asian child with blond hair?

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So what does this image say really?
Apparently some japs have found schrodiinger's art, and done something with it.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>6665395

>i´m fine with anything as long as Bern is trolling the HELL out of those greedy traitors and morons with bad haircuts

The bar has lowered dramatically now that Shkannontrice is a horrible reality.

I wonder if all those people who said they would leave /jp/ if Shkannontrice was a reality really did.

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It's Ange/Battler, not Ange doing her things alone

Anyway, i really hope Will and Lion will come back for ep VIII (and that they aren't dead)

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>>6665406

[Suigin !fKazami5bE No.]

>>6665236
>Ange is the vital if not main focus piece of this episode
aaaaaand dropped

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>>6665409

I want Will in the fighting game.

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>>6665406
those baka japanese should stay away from our superior western fanart! ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ

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>>6665409
Still boring, Ange makes anything and everything boring.

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>>6665395

Fuck no. If there is something that bores me is Bern trolling. I find her and her "lol I'm evil!!!!1111!!one!" dull and boring as hell.

Yes, I prefer Ange making another EP4 to shitty Bern making another EP5.

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>>6665420

Bet baka Japaneses would rage if they found gaijins did to some of their art what they did to Schrodinger's comics.

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>>6665408
>Shkannontrice is a horrible reality

The thing people didn't like about most Shkannontrice (I think) is that it was a copout to solve the closed rooms and shit. Well, that and the shipperfags were whining.

But the thing about Yasu is his/her's multiple personalities and general craziness really have no bearing on what happens in the real world. The real Rokkenjima is the only one that matters in the end, and we're not even sure what happened on it yet.

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>>We will never again talk about Yasu's motive. If you haven't gotten it until now, too bad

That's such bullshit. Not one person has explained it to me. If I don't get it by my self, then fine, maybe I'm in a minority. But nobody else has been able to present a decent answer either, other than "She crazy" which goes against the point of Will finding "the heart".

This is a pretty horrible attitude to take to your fans, and what the hell is Ep 8 going to be about anyway?

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>>6665429
you are free to get a nippon proxy and show them on 2chan...

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>>6665408
Yes but no. Waiting for ep8 and still have some ideas beside Shkannontrice personally.
Anyway most of them probably left the umineko threads (but will come back for ep8 in order to say that it's shit right now, don't worry.)
>>6665425
Same here. It was entertaining at the beginning because it was original for her. Now....
>>6665424
It's your viewpoint here. To me, ep4 was one of the most interresting eps.

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>>6665439
what if bern trolled everyone by pretending to troll? there´s a tiny chance that she´s actual good and doing her lolitrollu to hide her true, honorable goals?

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>>6665439
For me, Bern's trolling was good for the novelty in EP5, was boring in EP6, and was effective again in EP7. But she's more fun to watch play off against Will and Lion than she was against Battler and Beatrice.

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>>6665392
>>6665357
Asians all have black hair (unless it's dyed).

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>>6665443
There isn't a tiny chance of that. People who believe that are like the people who thinks Beato is still trolling and doesn't really give a shit about Battler and isn't really dead or whatever it is they say.

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>>6665443
Laugh if you want to, I've already been thinking about this. And it would not surprise me at all, in fact. She was not THAT evil in ep7 until the tea party by the way, just a bit too direct sometimes.

I'm not saying that it is the case, but it is definitely a possibility.

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>>6665406
Can someone translate this?

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>>6665458
Something about the pleasure of being cummed inside.

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>>6665420
>>6665412
I am more interested in why Battler's groin is censored in the Japanese one.

I figure it's some kind of joke, and that the context of the text is entirely unrelated to the original text.

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>>6665458
Penis jokes.

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>>6665452
>She was not THAT evil in ep7 until the tea party by the way, just a bit too direct sometimes.
Kyrie wasn't that bad until she started shooting people and slitting their throats guys

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>>6665396
>Enjoy your long and boring side story.
It should still be way better than Yasu, Yasu, Yasu, Yasu, Yasu /end.

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>>6665432

It's not "she is crazy" You obviously lack the heart.

The motive was how she struggled and struggled to take a hold of her life, how she fell in love, thought to be loved back and waited, trying to keep hope feeling like shit and crying herself to sleep everyday.
And then she is told she was tied by fate all along, she was there to make a old rapist feel better and nothing of what she did was really her doing. Not even becoming Beatrice was her decission, she always was Beatrice.

Will said no more explanations were needed, you choose if to symphatize or not.
Haters gonna hate.

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>>6665469
Kyrie wasn't that bad until his husband started going for other women and having sex with them. Or until her family started training her as a sort of psycho, which it means...
Yep, Kyrie has always been bad.

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>>6665464
Well OBVIOUSLY she is commenting on his boner

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>>6665473

>Yasu, Yasu, Yasu, Yasu, Yasu /end.

But it was the best part of Ep7...

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>>6665473
Pffft. Yasu is love.

I enjoyed Ange's story too.

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>>6665469
True, but it is still far away from "LULZ BERN EVIL LULZ". Again I'm not saying that it is the case, but she is less of a complete monster in this ep, a lot. If the tea party is the truth ( I don't think so, but It's for the example) then she is just showing the truth. Nothing else. Compared to the logic error of ep6, or ep5... She almost looks nice.

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>>6665487
It would have been more baerable if they didn't go
Yasu, Yasu, Yasu, Yasu, Yasu /love.
In Ep6.

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I just love how Yasu is compared to a pawn without even an identity in ep6. It is quite useful in theorizing almost anything. Thanks, ryu.

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liked how artist the kept stuff from previous comics in.

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>>6665482

Sorry, but what in your post so obviously leads to starting up a game of roulette where you murder everyone until they solve some brain buster?

It's a complete non sequitor. It's not that I don't have the "heart" to see it, it's that there's no reasoning there. When people jump to making decisions like that, we consider them insane.

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>>6665516
I like how it's THE GODDAMN YASU post-E7.

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>>6665521
>It's a complete non sequitor. It's not that I don't have the "heart" to see it, it's that there's no reasoning there. When people jump to making decisions like that, we consider them insane.

But in the end, Battler finds the truth and they all go to the golden land

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>>6665521

If you couldn't understand after reading the episode yourself there is nothing more I can say.

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Just adding that the discussion about "Earth to Earth.The obvious culprit wields a mutable blade" in the previous thread is wrong.

It's Natsuhi and Krauss. Strangled by a thin object, stakes in their legs, pulled out of Natsuhi and put in pocket by Jessica, confirmed dead by Nanjo, no one really looks close.
Even more strange because apparently they really are dead according to this.

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>>6665521
Some people theorize based on certain hints throughout the arcs that Yasu was actually planning on setting up a fake murder game for her roulette, which would logically follow from the connection she made with Battler.

I would still like her either way though.

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Slow, late Anon who didn't start reading until the 100% patch came out is almost on Maria's part.

...This is going to be so boring. Also, am I at 50% yet?

[Suigin !fKazami5bE No.]

>>6665545
>Also, am I at 50% yet?
no
it gets better later on though

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>>6665545

You aren't even at 20%

Keep reading, it will get interesting soon. Ep VII has one of the best pacing

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>>6665545
Nope, you got quite alot of more text to read.

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>>6665545
No.

Also, I found maria's part and everything else around this very interresting. If you find it boring, you will suffer in the end of this ep.

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>>6665539

wut

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>>6665545
The interrogation parts are the most boring. Like the tripfag said, it gets better later.

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry to bother, but anyone know source on this? I have 2 more

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Don't mind me, just posting some homolust.

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>>6665567
Interrogation was a little slow but solid, and Will+Lion shenanigans were fun.

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>>6665569

http://shroedinger.deviantart.com/gallery/
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/index?tags=shroedinger

Does someone have a link for Rifyu translated pic?

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>>6665573
OR IS IT?

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>>6665569

See >>6665140

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Ara ara ufu fu

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>>6665581
How legit is Danbooru? Cuz I didn't found them on the Devianrtart account

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>>6665567
I thought there were interesting if only for the novelty of seeing, for once, a competent detective at work.

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>>6665607
>competent detective

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>>6665573

This pic was draw before ep VII, when we thought Lion was going to be the new Erika

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>>6665614
a competent detective who is not a rapist*

fixed.

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>>6665614
>Erika
>competent
>laughinggirls.jpg

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>>6665620
Van Dine and Philo Vance are gonna fuck Battler's shit up and destroy all love, man.

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>>6665614
I still feel bad that Erika got ereased.
Or drowned
...
Actually, what did exactly happen to her?

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>>6665614
who's that?

>>6665623
is erika a new character for 8 or something?

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>>6665625

Van Dine's has his turn. He was all THE HEART and died.

In before Arthur Conan Doyle comes in to punch witches in the face

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>>6665628
She was discarded and forgotten by Bernkastel. A no-longer-useful piece. Assumedly, the real Erika simply drowned after falling off the boat.

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Funny thing about Erika, is that she didn't solve anything. She picked the novel and said "fuck you, I'm rewritting this shit."

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>>6665635
This.
I want this as a bonus chapter like Rei. Seriously.

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>>6665614
DAT ZETTAI RYOUIKI

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>>6665628
Catbox.
She fell off the boat and disappeared. Some forgers use her as a detective, like in EP5 and EP6.

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>>6665625
By the way, isn't Philo Vance a trap or something like that?

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>>6665614
Erika is even more incompetent than Battler. Calls all people into the room. Has detective authority allowing her to see the situation exactly as it is in reality. Doesn't notice when one person is missing. Dies in the next game because of it.

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>>6665628
>>6665638
There's an easter egg of sorts. If you go to the EP5/6 TIPS after finishing everything, you can click on Execute on Erika. It says how there's no concrete proof that she made it to the island, but some people like theorising that she did made it and what would happen.

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ERIKA EXTRA TIP WHEN

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>>6665628

Both are right, piece Erika drowned and Meta-Erika got erased

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>>6665675
no meta never existed in the first place.
real died at sea.

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>>6665674

We need a Dlanor/Will tip first.

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I'm going to be slightly sad if most of the family gets a not-dead end, but Erika doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Erika really Furude Rika?

Because it kinda sucks that she would go through all that only to die on a boat three years later.

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>>6665675
But then Erika had a normal human life until Bernkastel came all "You, with the same hair as me, you're my bitch now, do as I say"

I wonder how and when that happend?

Also, why would she suddenly be all "my master!" towards bern when bern didn't really give her anything.

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>>6665693
Age wouldn't match

[Anonymous No.]

Rudolf's gun fires low.

Perhaps people with gut wounds were killed with this gun?

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>>6665693


How can she be furude rika if she's furudo Erika?

And their age is different. And Rika has a completely different character.

Pic unrelated

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>>6665699
>when bern didn't really give her anything.
If she doesn't obey her, she can lose everything. Like in EP6.

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>>6665699
Bernkastel kinda saved her life, no?

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>>6665706

When will they realize they are in love?

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>>6665700
>>6665706

Do we ever really know Rika's age?

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>>6665719

She's around teen.

Either way, it dosen't make any sense, since Rika dies all the times.

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>>6665684
I want Dlanor to troll Will as badly over Will/Lion as she did Battler over Battler/Beatrice.

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Is this pic a samefag or not?

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>>6665711
>>6665713
So after Bern saved her she suddenly became self aware in the meta world(That has got to be really weird) and became berns piece. Because she was only alive while she remained that piece.

That is kinda sad..

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>>6665425

People like Bern's trolling because she takes it so far to the extent of being a pantomime caricature, while still being genuinely frightening on some level, a bit like Beatrice in the earlier games.

It's very "Witchy".

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There was a theory that said that Erika was Rika from that kakera where she beats up Satoko with a chair.
I haven't read nor watched Higurashi yet, so I don't know.

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>>6665725
Amakusa no. Will maybe on some weird abstract symbolic meta level.

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>>6665723
actually that makes perfect sense.
rika <-always dies
erika <-drowns in every scenario except the ones where she lands on rokkenjima( due to the witch of miracles) and gets killed/blown to pieces. [cause miracles do not exist.]

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>>6665684
>Japanese house

But Will and Dlanor are not Japaneses

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>>6665732

Well, she likes what she does apparently.

Solving mysteries and trolling people, i mean. Must be fun.

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>>6665725
I do still think that Will is some sort of higher meta version of Battler.

Ryukishi probably gave him that piece of red hair just to spark discussion.

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>>6665736
She was probably dead already when she lands in Rokkenjima.

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>>6665684

What's Erika doing in television?

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>>6665748
She's on her detective TV show.

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If Rika was 12 or 13 during the time of Higurashi, that'd make her 15/16 during the time of Umineko, which would sort of fit with Erika's apparent age. Of course, even with the flashback to 1979, when we first see Akasaka (in the anime, at least?), Rika could be anywhere from 5 to 8 years old there. My bet is that Rika in 1983 is somewhere between 10 and 13 years of age.

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>>6665743
I dunno, I think Clair and Will would have given some indication if the person solving her mystery was on some level the one she wanted after all, but they went the opposite way and highlighted the tragedy of Will as an unknown outsider who was saving her instead of Battler.

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>>6665628
>Actually, what did exactly happen to her?

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>>6665744
>She was probably dead already when she lands in Rokkenjima.
no, because there IS at least ONE universe were she lands there and survives or else bernkastel wouldn't be able to summon her on the island.

i would guess the majority of the kakera have her downed to death or land on the island dead.

remember she can create miracles as long as the probability is not zero.

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>>6665750

"Erika who?"?

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>>6665757
But that part is fake

[Anonymous No.]

Will we ever see her again? ;_;

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>>6665721

Eva is not pushing Nappi. It's just an accident.

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>>6665768

And Rudolf is totally not thinking of tapping Nappi's ass, not at all.

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>>6665760
Erika gets a time machine and trolls prominent people throughout history? I would SO watch that.

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>>6665757
>>6665758

see
>>6665664

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>>6665741
What does this say? I found the kanji except for the first one on the last line.

我が主。。。！！ my master!
魔女に Witch
?りたいです。。。。。。

goddamit I tried even though it's pathetic

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>>6665780
Goddamn, The Adventures of Erika Furudo need to be made.

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>>6665780

Damn, there are so many possible interesting spin-offs about Umineko characters.

I'm still waiting for my Erika & Dlanor young detectives spin-off.

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>>6665795
>>6665791
I once suggested something like that. I pictured something like Detective Conan, only more girly and "The Great Detective Knows All(vocal)" would be the ED.

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>>6665803
That reminds me, I remember reading some Erika, Conan, & Beatrice vs Bernkastel fanfiction fighting roleplaying somewhere.

...I actually liked it. That's weird.

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>>6665789
http://japanese.about.com/blkod545.htm

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>>6665823
you´re responsible to post sauce now

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>>6665789
By the way, it is Erika saying to her master that she wants to become a witch. Feels free to correct me if I'm wrong, /jp/.

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>>6665780
>>6665791
Hentai Detective Erika
Goes around solving mysteries, being a hentai, and raping the culprits (mentally. then physically). like rance except more kinky.
Supported by her trusty knox.

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>>6665780
>>6665791

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>>6665538

That's such bullshit. There is no decent motive in there, at all. But when you throw out something like that, the people who think they have it figured out can say stupid shit and there's no proper discussion about it.

Just because the ep itself says that doesn't mean it's true. If you've discovered Yasu's motive, then you should be able to explain it to me. I might not be able to appreciate the "Heart" of it, but you should still be able to explain WHY she set up the murder roulette.

Simply presenting her with a sobby backstory doesn't suddenly mean she ends up doing crazy shit like that.

It is a complete non sequitor.

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>>6665835
http://17-going-on-8.livejournal.com/10144.html?thread=271264#t271264
And now to brace myself for trolling because I linked to livejournal roleplay. In b4 "GET OUT"

[Anon2007 !StaIqxr34U No.]

>>6665877
D:!
;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665877
Goddamn Ushiromiyas. They even have a fucking time machine in their garden. That explains a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665482
>The motive was how she struggled and struggled to take a hold of her life
Her life at the Fukuin house was a good one, especially for being an orphan.
Bullying is tough. but she was bullied by the others at the house because she had something to be envied off, so it cannot have been that bad.
>how she fell in love
Great, I bet some of the other servant girls wonder how that feels, nice is it not?
>thought to be loved back
She most likely was, and she knew it, but tough luck on the contact in the relationship not lasting that great.

The thing is, most people don't go batshit crazy and ready to murder people whenever their old ex-boyfriend from when they were 13 years old suddenly re-appears.

>Will said no more explanations were needed
Correction, he said no more explanation was needed for Lion.
>you choose if to symphatize or not.
Yet again, Lion gets to choose wether or not to sympathize.

In either way, personal feelings/opinions aside, Battler got to sympathise.
And this just fails at it.

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>>6665881
That Ryukushi wont write anything more about her motives hasnt been confirmed from any source whatsoever so take it easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>Correction, he said no more explanation was needed for Lion.

>Yet again, Lion gets to choose wether or not to sympathize.

yeah because seriously, Ryuukishi talking to the reader through the characters? bullshit. Why the hell did I got that idea?

[Myshkin !hQkb7UnWrk No.]

Umineko is like Inception, guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665921
Yeah yeah, I get that as well, but if we are to go all nit-picky on details that is still the case.

But it still doesn't matter, because
>In either way, personal feelings/opinions aside, Battler got to sympathise.

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>>6665901
>>Her life at the Fukuin house was a good one, especially for being an orphan.

Come on, her life was really shitty. So much that every other servants were jealous of her. You just lack love.
>>/sarcasm

Okay, other servants were sometimes stupid, but in the end this story wasn't even sad.

[Myshkin !hQkb7UnWrk No.]

first we watch humans on an island

[Myshkin !hQkb7UnWrk No.]

then we watch humans solving a mystery on an island

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665932
Bullshit which doesn't have a scenario (or rather, a really poor one) and have 3 tons of special effects?

[Myshkin !hQkb7UnWrk No.]

then we watch as a human and a witch battle for the mystery on the island

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665949
>umineko
>special effects
>umineko

[Myshkin !hQkb7UnWrk No.]

then we watch as 2 witches watch a human and witch battle for the mystery

[Myshkin !hQkb7UnWrk No.]

then we watch a guy watching 2 witches watch a human and a witch battling for the mystery on the island

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665957
Them zooms on the sprites.

[Myshkin !hQkb7UnWrk No.]

WE NEED TO GO DEEPER

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665957
>umineko is good anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665901
>>The motive was how she struggled and struggled to take a hold of her life
Her life at the Fukuin house was a good one, especially for being an orphan.
Bullying is tough. but she was bullied by the others at the house because she had something to be envied off, so it cannot have been that bad.


The fuck?

She had nothing.

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>>6665967
>zooming on sprites
>special effects
>ZOOMING ON SPRITES

I thought you'd say something about the animation during red/blue fights, but zooming on sprites? Seriously?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665972
She had two awesome friends. And the best thing was that no one else could even SEE them! So she had them all to herself!

[Anonymous No.]

I just got up to Jessica's death scene.

How the flying fuck Ryukishi is going to deal with that, I have no idea. It's pretty much the ultimate triumph of evil over good.

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>>6665901

I think your post shows something important - there are people here who've read Ep7. and are now just repeating bits of it out of context and understanding just to look kinda cool.

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>>6665963
You mean a witch and a girl right?

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>>6665983
And THAT is where the problem started.

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>>6665982
Sarcasm man. I was talking about how bad the zooms are.

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>>6665890
I wouldn't put it past Kinzo.

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>>6665972
Sure, she wasn't favorited by the ushiromiya family at all.

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>>6665990
I was talking to a friend about that just a few moments ago, and we've concluded that there really ISN'T anything to be done about it, baring Jessica being a villain.

It's one of the most unwarranted and cruel fates any character in the series meets with.

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>>6665993
Not this anon, but you are wrong. completely. butthurt when someone doesn't agree with you?

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>>6666000
Oh, I'm sorry. My sarcasm detector doesn't work as well on the internet. It's pretty defective in real life, too ;~:

>Captcha: harisin Hannah
Hey, that's my name.

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>>6665990
I've actually got a theory.

The whole thing was to buy Battler and/or Yasu time. Jessica knew she was gonna die, but she decided to face up to full life consequences.

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>>6666032
Or she was like "Oh, sup Aunt Kyrie", Aunty hit her with a gun, she got fucking pissed, hit Kyrie back a few times, and died flipping off the gray haired bitch with saggy tits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665990

Who cares its just Jessica. She's a dumb bitch anyways so she deserves it

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665972
>The fuck?
>She had nothing.
She had good and free/paid education, and she got the time she needed to go through with said education, only having to work on the weekends. Yet she still got the full pay, and the higher ups were nice to her.

She got so much special treatment and privelages that people theorized stupid shit like her being a child of Kinzo's and the true heir.
And as stupid as it may have been, it was even true, so later she even inherited all the gold and glory of the Ushiromiyas.

Her life wasn't bad neither before nor after.
Of course the other servants envied her, they had it tough in comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666049
This is why Jessica is the best Umineko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6665990
What if Jessica managed to prolong her life by a margin EXACTLY BECAUSE she knew?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666049
Did you just hate on the best woman in Umineko?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666060
Fascinating.

What Jessica deserves is a fucking medal, she's the biggest bro in the series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666060
If anyone doesn't deserve it, it's her. She's probably the only one closest to being a good person among the cast.
She's best.

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>>6666080
>bro

Tell me one thing she did that makes her a bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666083

No its Gohda. He's done jack shit to deserve being shot dead and blown to pieces.

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>>6666066
I feel sort of bad for people that seriously think like this. Like misery has a sliding scale and you have to be at a certain objective tipping point before you're allowed to be depressed.
Was Yasu beaten or raped? No. Did she have the right to be miserable in her situation and the answers she never looked for or wanted about her past? Sure.
It doesn't matter if you hate or like Yasu, the game itself even says that. She did what she did (whatever you think that is) and she was justified in her own head. I like her and sympathize with her and nothing anyone says will ever change that.

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone have the copypasta of the entire clair vs will exchange? the illusions to illusions and earth to earth thing?

I want to save it for future reference

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>>6666066
6 almost everywhere, nice.
Also. A proper education and going in scool with Jessica and all of this So even if you can argue about this, she was not really "alone".

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>>6666092
Well, he was kind of a douche to Shannon/Kanon in the earlier episodes.

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>>6666074

Anon didn't said a thing about Eva, so no.

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>>6666032
It's actually weird on both sides.

If she knows she might as well get shot, why turn her back on Kyrie?
If she is clueles how does Kyrie miss from point blank?

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>>6666031
The fuck, I thought I was the only one with that name.

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>>6666085
Not being a douche, genuinely caring for other people, being the ONLY person in the ENTIRE series to show remorse for murder, even when her "murder" wasn't even real. Her altruistic choice in episode 4, really, she's a good person.

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>>6666074
It didn't sound like he was hating on Jessica to me, bro.

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>>6666099

He was doing his job and so what? suddenly that makles him deserving of death?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666092
No, Jessica.
Jessica is best.
Gohda barely does anything.
>>6666109
Amen.

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>>6666095
>I want to save it for future reference


Google it, you'll find it in 5 seconds

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>>6666109
Jessica's not a bad person even if she has her bitchy moments, but I don't feel particularly bad about her death or anything. No one deserved to die, not even the selfish adults. Nothing special about Jessica.

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>>6666093

So, can you explain why she did it?

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>>6666109

Who cares if she showed remorse for murder. The fact that she "killed" for a puppy love crush is stupid enough to me.

Although I do agree she's pretty much one of the most good out of the cast.

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>>6666093
Although I wrote >>6666066 ,disregarding what I wrote in it, I might as well point out how pain and mental stress is a relative thing, how good you have it isn't neccisarily that important for these factors alone.

Weak people who has it tough together can have it easier than a wealthier person amongst even wealthier people following this logic. Although it might have been crudely put.

But the point of the post was simply how she in theory didn't have it bad, and no matter if she got real depressed, it still isn't normal to reach the point where you starts to gamble with people's life over things like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666106
The only one with the name Hannah? Or Harisin?

Because Hannah is one of the most popular names for girls...

[Anonymous No.]

When you realize that Kyrie apparently has some god-like ability to read people, it makes you wonder just how her deaths in the earlier episodes went down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666109
>I don't want to be a family head that's boring and I just had horrible childhood because of it including many memories I won't ever want to asociate my life with
>Jessica's E4 choice
>This is how I answer as the family head

Jessica E3 TIPS.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

I can just imagine Jessica's realization if she was in Battler's shoes and had arrived at the truth.

Jessica: Beatrice.... so that's what you wanted to tell me....

The meaning of the truth... I realize it now. Everyone I knew, from the very beginning.... all my friends, my family.....

WERE COMPLETE FUCKING ASSHOLES[/spoilers]

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>>6665016
Wow, we were asking for that yesterday?

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>>6666140

No as Battler said "Not bad people"

[Anonymous No.]

>And the one who gave birth to him was the virgin Maria

Oh Maria, the way you twist things to suit your delusions is so cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666148

and you can blame this one her BEST MUM Rosa constantly telling her "He doesn't exist!!!" *smack!* rather than being a bit clearer

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>>6666127
She didn't "kill" though. From the get go it's shown it's not a real murder.

And it was in the situation of magical trap demons appearing, telling her to do it, and it basically took arguments from Kanon, Shannon, George, and Battler to convince her to go with it.

Jessica in episode six can be defined as this.

Trap Twins: KILL FOR LOVE
Jessica: That's fucking stupid
Kanon: Come on, you gotta do it!
Jessica: Can't we just play guitar or something?
Shannon: Come on, do it!
Jessica: But it's fucking idiotic...
George: All the better that you don't, wuss
Jessica: Well that's just uncalled for
Battler: Don't you have love?! Do it!
Jessica: FINE JEEZ

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666146
I'm still in for the seagull which activated the bomb by crashing on it.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh no, poor innocent Jessica.

Innocent victims are the best victims.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666123

This. Pretty much this.

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>>6666125
I think the stress finally got to her. One of the things that was emphasized in the flashback was Yasu's almost superstitious belief that "Battler would come back when I'm ready to change my life" and then him coming back at precisely that time was the straw that broke the camel's back.
The reason I have trouble really liking George/Shannon is because it's all about what George wants and dreams about. I think Shannon could have a quiet happiness like that, at the cost of murdering the most vibrate charming part of herself. It makes sense to me that Battler coming back would shake her resolve if only because he's another option she had given up on.
Whether or not that makes sense to you, I can't judge. I just know that if I was in the position of potentially regaining a time in my life I had been truly happy VS an absolute promise of a quiet life subordinate to another person's dream, it would be painful for me too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666166

yes I know it's not a real murder (Yet people still hate George for "killing" his mom but double standards I guess) and really in the end of the day she accepted the duel. If she was smart enough she'd realise that "killing" for your crush isn't worth it

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666169

How does the fucking roulette work, anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get why people talk of Yasu "choosing"

DID

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>>6666172
It's a matter of karma and how much the victims contributed to his or her own demise.

For example, Kyrie meeting her end is fitting, she brought it upon herself.

The adults selfishness all led to their demise, and George's manipulative nature also bit him in the ass in a way.

Jessica really didn't do much to set into motion her demise, and thus her fate really fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't really get what was so important about Battler coming back in 1986. Why wouldn't the murders have happened if he came a year later or earlier? I'd imagine she'd be even more mad at him for coming later. And didn't Bern prove that the murders would happen even if Battler didn't show up in 1986 in the tea party?

[Anonymous No.]

I think we can all agree the George is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666198
How did George's manipulative nature bite him in the ass? You might as well say that Jessica's temper led to her demise.

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>>6666199
>I'd imagine she'd be even more mad at him for coming later

Beato is not "mad". She's not angry or shit like that, she doesn't act for revenge. Why do people don't get this?
She's not Kohaku.

One year latter Shannon would have won, and she wouldn't be on the island anymore.

One years early was Beato year, since Shannon wasn't into fatty.

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>>6666178
But... that is no excuse for CRAZY ASS ROULETTES FULL OF GRUESOME MURDERS, even if it is tough.

It is completely blown out of proportions and pretty much any other way of taking care of it would have been better.

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>>6666199

Because it's the same year George was to give her the ring. One year earlier she would have dumped George, one year later she would be married and maybe not even in the island anymore.

Yasu didn't knew it was going to backfire and the adults would to be the murderers. What wouldn't have happened was her game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666215
This needs to be screenshotted cleanly without text with "WHY" on the bottom under Feorge

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666183

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>>6666195
>DID
Are you implying that people with DID are incapable of choice?
They still do, but note -they-.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666178


... but how does that lead to a crazy game of murder mystery roulette?

Come on.

Plenty of people have shitty lives and feel torn between people, but they don't do that.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have the ATLAS dictionary for Umineko?

I upgraded my PC, and stupidly formatted my HDD without thinking of backing it up.

I need it for the stream, guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666239
>>6666224
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Damn, it was pretty obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666246

"Hey Shannon, let's go to Battler"
"No, i want George"
"Fuck, this shit, what about Jessica-sama?"
"Ffffffuuuu"

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone tell me how far into EP7 I am? I'm actually starting to get a little bored, which isn't usual with Umineko...

I'm at the part in Yasu's flashbacks where Battler promises Shannon he'll come back on a white horse.

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>>6666225
Under the assumption that Yasu really was planning to blow holes into people's heads, we never saw Yasu have to kill anyone. Planning things out and doing them are totally different. Nothing in Yasu's flashback indicates that she's a sociopath on the magnitude of being able to kill her best friend and the people she cares about. She didn't even want to displace Natsuhi and Krauss's places. There is a certain amount of willpower it takes to make the preparations she did, but because we never see her have to pull the trigger on someone, I'm uncomfortable labeling her as a murderer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666224
Actually, the DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO GET KANNON BSoD looks tons like Kohaku.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666248
>... but how does that lead to a crazy game of murder mystery roulette?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666271
Maybe halfway? That's actually where Episode 7 finally starts getting good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666271
You find that boring?

Holy crap, it's the answer to everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666271

70% of the main story

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>>6666199
Sigh. If you didn't get it from the story I don't know what to say. If Battler came back in 1985, George wouldn't have reached the point where he was ready to propose to Shannon. Jessica and Kanon wouldn't have anything special going on either. So if Battler came back then, Beatrice would give her affection for Battler back to Shannon, and everything would be hunky-dory. The massacre might still happen, but it might not, because Beatrice wouldn't be manipulating events to set it up. And Kinzo is dead. So there isn't anyone giving the family any great motivation to solve the epitaph.

If Battler didn't come back till '87, George would have married Shannon (presumably) and taken her from that place, so the same deal. Krauss's investments would have finally paid off, he'd be out of debt, and Kinzo could finally die and have the inheritance split. The other family members would either have gotten out of their crises or gone bankrupt, depending on how well they did or did not extort Krauss in '86.

The massacre still happens in Lion's world because Kinzo is still alive and he uses the epitaph to try and solve the matter of Lion taking over the headship. But without Yasu's interference in the other worlds, the epitaph would probably remain unsolved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666221
Oh, simple.

If George wasn't such a jealous motherfucker the roulette would not have happened.

Mind you, he didn't deserve what he got, but he contributed to the incident much more so than the average bear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666272
Even if she is not a murderer, she still set up the
>CRAZY ASS ROULETTES FULL OF GRUESOME MURDERS
And that is not normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666299

She also technicality get tortured in ep 1-5 and shielded everyone from the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666215
"C, careful, guns are dangerours. What on Earth are you
"ORE WA JAKKU BAUWA...!"
"OH SHIT NIGGER WHAT ARE YOU DOING-"

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666299
The roulette isn't referring to the murders, it's referring to how the situation is resolved. She mentioned she had planned for a peaceful solution too, which the adults actually achieved. What happened after that was entirely their own responsibility. As Lion's world shows, even in a place where Beatrice doesn't exist and there is no "roulette" set up, things turn out the same because of the entire situation on the island as far as the adults go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666319
>The roulette isn't referring to the murders
That is right, it is referring to the chance of murders, hence roulette. (Gambling)

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666311

Ok, you made me laugh.
Now I want a Chiru anime just to paste JAKKU BAUWA's voice over the scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666244
Was this made with the generator, or is it from one of the earlier games? I'm blanking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666319
>>6666329
In otherwords she didn't plan for a peaceful sullution.

Instead she set up a roulette with the likelyhood of a plausible peaceful sullution, but also a roulette full of possibilities of GRUESOME MURDERS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666337
I'm pretty positive this never happened

[Anonymous No.]

I just realized, if we look at EP4 with the whole Jessica phonecall, removing the magic illusion bit, it actually went like this

Kyrie shot Jessica at the head. Jessica resisted a bit, and managed to make a phone call to Battler. She mentions how she is received a fatal wound, and is about to warn Battler about Kyrie. Just then - bang, Kyrie finished her off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666337

generator

Kanon never killed Jessica In fantasy, i mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666276

This explains jack shit. She STILL had to decide to do all this shit. There is absolutely no line of logic between what happened to her and what she did. But people want to believe they'd found the answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666353
What about the bribe theory?

Remember what Bern showed us in the Tea Party lacked the heart.

[Anonymous No.]

umineko explained
she/they want to fuck.
battler doesn't get it/fuck it.
he is incompetent
everyone dies cause yasu didn't get any, and has to settle with fat fuck or lesbien.
umineko solved

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666363
Fuck.

Was that ever uploaded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666342
Murders that we have no idea if she would actually be able to pull off when faced with killing the people she cared about. These were elaborate traps that will kill people if they make a misstep, they all rely on the will of a single person. And until the moment comes when the gun goes off and a body falls to the ground, no murder has actually taken place.
You can say it's messed up to plan things out like that in detail. I agree. But it doesn't make her a murderer or make me like her any less. I liked her as the "Golden Witch Beatrice" when she WAS actually ripping out people's entrails and laughing at Rosa's repeated deaths at her sister's hands. Why would I like her less as a girl that wrote some gruesome murder mysteries?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666363

This looks boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666342
Murders that we have no idea if she would actually be able to pull off when faced with killing the people she cared about. These weren't elaborate traps that will kill people if they make a misstep, they all rely on the will of a single person. And until the moment comes when the gun goes off and a body falls to the ground, no murder has actually taken place.
You can say it's messed up to plan things out like that in detail. I agree. But it doesn't make her a murderer or make me like her any less. I liked her as the "Golden Witch Beatrice" when she WAS actually ripping out people's entrails and laughing at Rosa's repeated deaths at her sister's hands. Why would I like her less as a girl that wrote some gruesome murder mysteries?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666350
surviving after a shot in the head?
And even if you survive, still being able to stay calm like this and do a lot of this?
what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666374
Yes, Shannon got NTR, Beato fucked George in front of her

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666276
This doesn't change the fact that the roulette is full of murders.

If all she wanted was a gamble to fight fate, she could just as well have a gamble on what kinds of cookies she would bake and who would recieve them. Something nice in other words.
But no, she is crazy, so she goes for the possibilities of murders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666350
The issue is that the magic illusion is the main beef.

In reality Jessica DID tell Battler magic exists.

Why, for the life of me I can only guess. Probably to send him a cryptic warning, but you know Battler, incompetent jerk he is.

Anyways, I'm doing anything I can to give Jessica, Gohda, and Maria a good end in episode 8. Fuck everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666382
Err...

Hah.

Link where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666350
surviving after a shot in the head?
And even if you survive, still being able to stay calm like this and do a lot of things after this?
what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666381
That's how big of a bro Jessica is

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666385

She did exactly what Kinzo did

>But no, she is crazy, so she goes for the possibilities of murders.

Yeah, genius, SHE HAS DID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666385
The more you risk, the greater the magic. Isnt that what Kinzo used to say?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666396
She hasn't, genius.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666350
Yasu is the culprit in all of the first four episodes. But who is working with Yasu is subject to some debate. Kyrie is too practical to have wasted time on crazy schemes with ghost stories and witches and shit. The 'test' mechanic sounds like her, but the rest of the shit surrounding it is completely unneeded. And I really doubt Kyrie would work with someone else and NOT betray them. And I doubt even more that she'd let herself be the one tricked and betrayed.

I'd also point out that there were clearly two guns at work in this episode- the one that killed Kyrie, Gohda, Kumasawa and George, and the one that killed pretty much everyone else (heads blown off vs bullet hole in the head).

There really isn't a need to change guns back and forth, so I'm going to guess there was a second shooter. But that second shooter didn't participate in the dining room massacre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666378
I haven't called her a murderer even once in the thread.
She is just batshit crazy and plays around with setting up roulettes full of gruesome murders because her childhood boyfriend didn't keep in touch with her.

No matter how I twist or turn this, I can't get a scenario where she isn't simply nuts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666400
It still doesn't change the fact that she is a complete bitch.
I still like her, but goddamn, it is not that hard to admit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666401

Yes, she does.

Without DID, you just a slut that loves three people, including a lesbian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666392
>surviving after a shot in the head?
At other places that isn't the brain, isn't that what happened in this episode too

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666388
Maria can't have a happy ending! She was identified by a piece of her jawbone! ahaha.wav

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666412
I don't think she's a bitch. To me a bitch indicates a certain attitude Yasu lacks. Mentally unbalanced, sure. But I think she's understandable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666415
extremely rare, but yes, I know. But the part that I find strange is more the fact that she would still be able to talk extremely normally after this, etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666413
Jessica at least thinks Kanon is a boy. How can she be a lesbian? And nobody knows if Yasu is a girl or not. And she's shown talking about boys in some scenes.
Please don't call my favorite Umineko a lesbian. It's rude

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666417

In that kakera/story were Eva doesn't survive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666415
What happened in this Episode was Jessica somehow managed to dodge the first shot. She then struggled and was able to hit Kyrie in the ensuing fight (Kyrie mentions this. Which is why she went through the trouble of plowing the face in). Kyrie still one as butt of gun > any makeshift weapon Jessica could have gotten out.

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>>6666396
>Yeah, genius, SHE HAS DID.
But this doesn't change a thing, genius.
For the DID to be relevant, one of the personalities have to want murders to be able to happen, or the indecisiveness from conflicting goals have to be able to result in murders.

As neither case should be true, neither should any DID matter.
>she is crazy, so she goes for the possibilities of murders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666413
This.is.not.a.did.

So yes, she is a slut, Or she does have some mental problem, which are not a DID.

I'm still going for the "slut" part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666428
>Please don't call my favorite Umineko a lesbian. It's rude

What's wrong with being gay?

>Please don't call my favorite Umineko
>favorite

Also

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666388
>In reality Jessica DID tell Battler magic exists.
In the tale.

But all the tales are suppose to clue in bit by bit that Kyrie can do these things when looking at another perspective.

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>people calling Yasu a murderer and a slut

So is this the new Shkanontrice that people are trolling with?

Yasu isn't a murderer. Hell, we don't even know if she planned to murder. The tea party wasn't exactly what happened on the real Rokkenjima.

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>>6666427
It's because Jessica is as badass as the Fight Club MC

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>>6666389
Always search GE Hentai before asking for links.
But anyway, here.
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/286391/121c87eaee/
Not translated.

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>>6666439
> >favorite
Problem?
And I support male Lion/Will, so fuck you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666437
>slut

But she never loved three people at the same time.

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>>6666437
>This.is.not.a.did.

Every signs bring us to DID.

Featherine spent an entire episode talking about personalities.

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>>6666454
Oh snap.

Thought it was made after the Turn episode, didn't think it was the title.

Thanks though.

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>>6666458
And in real life, if you act like this, it is not a DID. You are just an attention whore.
Being a concept or not, the way Clair behave is the very proof that this is not a DID.

Sorry, Yasu is completely unstable but he/she doesn't have this as an excuse.

HO I AM ONE BUT MANY.

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so is yasu a boy or a girl?

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>>6666454
>page 27

Oh my god. I died of laughter.

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>>6666469
>Being a concept or not, the way Clair behave is the very proof that this is not a DID.

How so?

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OH I AM ONE OF MANY

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You guys are missing a big hint in the Ep4/7 comparison: The fact that the victims are called out 2 at a time.

In Episode 7, this is because there are 2 killers. Both victims are killed at roughly the same time.

In Episode 4 however, George is killed first, even though he was called out second. Jessica seems to know how he died.

Now, lets assume there are 2 killers in Episode 4. Why call out victims 2 at a time? Why take the first one called out prisoner and then kill the second? And then kill the first?

You see where this is going? The only reason to call out Jessica first, even though she's supposedly going to be killed second, is if Jessica was working with the killer. This is also why Gohda and Kumasawa kept to the story they were instructed to tell- they were told one of the cousins was in on it too.

Mayhaps Jessica had a spare key to the storage shed and killed Gohda and Kumasawa, then waited for George in the garden? Remember- the gun used to kill George, Gohda and Kumasawa was different than the one that blew everyone's heads off in the dining room, if the wounds are any indication. So they were probably all killed by the same person, at roughly the same time.

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>>6666488
Don't ignore the heart. Jessica wouldn't do something like that

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[Anonymous No.]

What does /jp/ think of Asumu?

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>>6666488

There is no reason for us to believe Jessica in accomplice

"Hey Jessica, i have this idea to kill everyone"
"Fabulous, let's me join you"

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>>6666470
Umineko have repeated the cat box thing over and over again.
And now, Ryukishi may not have gone with real quantum physics here but if we were to apply the real quantum theory

They are both, both.
Or rather, you won't know thus they fall into the superposition argument in which they can be argued to be both at the same time, while still not being both while being one of them.

That was sort of the point of Schrödinger's cat thesis, one he actually made while pointing out the absurdity of quantum physics.

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Can someone start a new thread? This one is auto-saging.

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>>6666505
That is, until you open the box.
So someone would have to strip Yasu.

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>>6666470

He's a boy.. who is a girl.. who is a gnome.. who is a witch!

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>>6666501
She's pretty cute. At least Rifyu's Asumu is.
Asumu > Kyrie

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>>6666481
Something like the fact that almost all people who are suffering DID are not conscious of it themselves, in the first place? Are certainly not as clairly as Shkannontrice.
The way Kanon have been (supposedly) created also doesn't fit.
etc.
Also, it doesn't work with most of the tricks, except if you don't care about the reality. But then you can also go into a fantasy-viewpoint, and period. This have been discussed so many time that you will certainly find it in archives.
If it is something, it is some bullshit about LULZimaginaryfriends, nothing else. Nothing new since ep7 in japanese.

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>>6666507
>So someone would have to strip Yasu.

Someone that possibly doesn't care

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>>6666435
> or the indecisiveness from conflicting goals have to be able to result in murders.
But that's pretty much what happened, though the result was the possibility for murder on Yasu's part rather than definite murder.

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>>6666511
>Something like the fact that almost all people who are suffering DID are not conscious of it themselves, in the first place? Are certainly not as clairly as Shkannontrice.

DID in fiction works completely differently:
See KnK, Xenogears

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>>6666518
We are talking about a supposed fair mystery here.
Well, about a mystery in the first place.
Else, you can also say that " A WITCH DID IT" and that's <good>.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666513
>But that's pretty much what happened
Then explain to me how her being indecisive could possibly make her plan gruesome murders and possibly even carry them out?
That is not being indecisive.

[Anonymous No.]

New thread

>>6666486

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>>6666499
>Duplicate File Entry
Ugh. See.

>>6660645

Also,

>>6666504
There's actually a lot of hints that may make Jessica out right a culprit behind all the murders (Being Beatrice does not necessarily mean being the culprit. Someone could have manipulated Yasu)

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>>6666535
Hints such as what?

[Anonymous No.]

Potential Theory:
Jessica arrives in her room, and is soon taken to the dining hall, either in person or by a letter. Here, she sees the six people Kumasawa and Gohda said to be dead seemingly dead on the ground; however, it is simply a fake murder scheme. George arrives soon after, or is already there. Then, the murderers arrive with guns; using them, they blow up the heads of those "dead" one by one, whilst threatening the two cousins. After they finish killing the six, they hold the cousins down, and start to give them commands, possibly having something to do with Battler's or Maria's test, or even to get themselves to Kuwadorian in an act of mercy. Either way, they both try to escape, and as George rebels he gets hit hard with a stake in the forehead, while Jessica manages to get away. She gets into the hallway her room is connected to before the killers can see down the hallway- as such, they don't know which room she hides herself in. In her own room, she locks the door and calls Battler. She tells him that they're magic so that Battler won't try to go against them; Jessica's figured out that the only way to survive is to agree. To also prevent him from trying to get revenge, she keeps the killers' identities secret. She knows that they'll come and shoot her head open, and she knows that George had been killed instantly; in the call, she actually says nothing about his location. As she finishes, the killers find her and shoot her.

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>>6666549

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>>6666577
Kyrie's gun didn't work on Jessica but it worked on Gohda. Also, considering Yasu's backstory would give Jessica the perfect motive if we add in >>6666577. Pretty much she was trained her entire life to be the head however she wasn't gonna be it from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666577
YEP.
Great reason to murder your family!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6666394

Battler fucking Shannon in front of George.
Nice....

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>>6666095
"First game, first twilight. Six corpses in the gardening shed."
"Illusions to illusions. ......The corpse that cannot return to earth returns to illusions."
"First game, second twilight. Two corpses are close together in a closed room protected by a chain."
"Illusions to illusions. ......A chain of illusions can only hold back illusions."

"First game, fourth twilight. The old Head from the closed room study, confined in a scorching furnace."
"Illusions to illusions. ......Let the man of illusions go to where he belongs."

"Fifth game, fifth twilight. The last moments of the sacrificed boy with a stake in his chest."
"Illusions to illusions. ......The witch and stake of illusions can pierce naught but illusions."

"First game, sixth, seventh, and eighth twilights. The corpses lying in the closed room of the singing girl."
"Illusions to illusions. ......Illusions are the blind girl's song. Illusion of a closed room."

".........Well done. ......Yes, it seems you really are splendid."
"......That was a risky game from the very start. ......What if the guy really wanted to see that dead face and just stepped inside?"
"That's what it means to abandon one's self to fate."
"......And that's the roulette you were talking about."

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>>6668015
"Let us continue. Second game, first twilight. Six with their stomachs split in the closed room chapel."
"Illusions to illusions. ......The gold truth locks the lock of illusions."

"Second game, second twilight. The corpses of the two who are close are not close."
"Illusions to illusions. ......Illusions who have fulfilled their role do not leave a corpse."

"Second game, fourth, fifth, and sixth twilights. In Natsuhi's closed room, none are left alive."
"Earth to earth. ......No one would dispute that a coffin is a closed room."

"Second game, seventh and eighth twilights. The two sliced to death by the red-eyed phantom."
"Earth to earth. Illusions to illusions. ......No illusion can create a corpse."

"Third game, first twilight. Six corpses connected by the linked closed rooms."
"Illusions to illusions. ......In a closed room ring, the end and the beginning overlap."

"Third game, second twilight. The corpses of mother and child lay together in the rose garden."
"Earth to earth. ......No falsehoods in their final moments as told."

"Third game, fourth, fifth, and sixth twilights. Three corpses lying in the mansion."
"Earth to earth. ......No falsehoods in their final moments as told."
"Third game, seventh and eighth twilights. The corpses of husband and wife lay exposed under the arbor."
"Earth to earth. ......The obvious culprit wields a mutable blade."

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>>6668016
"Fourth game, first twilight. A masacring storm sweeps through the dining hall."
"Illusions to illusions. ......Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions."

"Fourth game, second twilight. The two young ones face their trials and pass away together."
"Illusions to illusions. ......Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions."

"Fourth game, fourth fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth twilights. None of the runaways are left alive."
"Earth to earth. Illusions to illusions. ......Silent corpses, adorned by fiction."

"Fourth game, ninth twilight. And none shall be left alive."
"Earth to earth. Illusions to illusions. ......When fiction is shut up inside a cat box, it becomes truth."
"......Then, one final question."
".........Sure."
"Who...aaam I......?"
"Illusions...to illusions. ......The promised reaper lowers the curtains on the tale regardless of the witch's will."