/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Are all girls a little bit bisexual?

[Anonymous No.]

no

[Suigin !fKazami5bE No.]

no we aren't

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623422
you already posted this shitty thread. sage

[Anonymous No.]

Most adolescent girls and some women has homosexual tendences, even if they like men. Do not ask me why, it's just a strange repetitive pattern in all women.

[Anonymous No.]

ask /u/

[Anonymous No.]

If anything, the general belief that "females are more often bisexual to some degree" might have heightened the actual occurrence of bisexuality in females compared to males, because it is more expected. But I only really think that's all there is to it.

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's easier for girls to explore such things Being bisexual will only make them more attractive. While men want to avoid being called a fag at all cost. A lot of men would feel uncomfortable around you and it could have you beaten up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623422
>>6623441
>He thinks if says it to himself long enough it'll become true.

[Anonymous No.]

> Are all girls a little bit bisexual?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623502
Women are just as homophobic as men are, just differently. These are generalisations, but you get the point.

Men are okay with two gay men feeling attracted towards each other, and afraid of gay men feeling attracted to them.

Women are okay with gay women feeling attracted to them, and afraid of two gay women being attracted to each other. Ever noticed how in "lesbian" hentai and porn they almost always look at the viewer, as though inviting a man in? That's the kind of female homosexuality women accept.

The thought of two women actually desiring and loving each other, on the other hand, makes them into "second grade women" since they aren't all about men. They make heterosexual women insecure, since competition for the attention of men is so important to them and women who truly feel attracted to other women disregard this important social game. They're seen as freaks and not real women, and even though they won't be aggressive or open about it like homophobic men, they subtly alienate and paternalise women with homosexual attraction that crosses the line of bicurious. You cannot confront them about it, either, since they'll deny their indirect aggression and homophobia.

Shit sucks man, shit most absolutely sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

Every girls are gay and they will rubbing each other's pussy when there is no man around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623670
I actually have to agree with this. The general idea is it's okay for women to induce in sexual activities with other women as long as it's to please men. It's messed up for sure. A woman has no other use than to please men huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623714
Of course they do

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>>6623670
Well I figured it was something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623670
>Ever noticed how in "lesbian" hentai and porn they almost always look at the viewer, as though inviting a man in? That's the kind of female homosexuality women accept.
Um, no, I'm pretty sure that's for the benefit of men, who watch porn.

Or are you telling me that women all want to be called 'stupid fucking retarded bitch cumslut' constantly too? Because, you know, those words pretty much substitute for the word 'woman' in any descriptions of pornographic video.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623714
This is what I think as well. It's girls acting bisexual in order to appear more attractive to men. Cultural expectations have a lot to do with it. There was that study where they served fake vodka to people undergoing an experiment, and they acted a little tipsy despite only getting tonic water.

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>>6623741
Read my post. I didn't say it's like that because women like it that way, but that women don't accept any other kind of homosexuality than that. In case you didn't comprehend the previous sentence, I repeat: that kind of porn was an example of what woman accept and what they don't, arguments about why porn is like that were not made.

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>>6623741
>stupid fucking retarded bitch cumslut
This only occurs in porn, western porn at that.

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>>6623753
Women accept homosexuality in the exact same way men accept homosexuality, like I said. While being a lesbian carries slightly less social stigma than being a gay man, the difference is very slight.

It has nothing to do with secretly wanting cocks any more than gay men secretly want to fuck yaoi fangirls.

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>>6623760
Yes, in JAVs they just get raped instead. No need to degrade them any further than forcing them to have sex.

[Anonymous No.]

Super retard guess here

Almost anyone can appreciate beauty, including women. Women often times compare themselves to each other, and may find certain things they lack, but other woman have, attractive. Considering society makes no issues out of women being together, then maybe they have a higher rate of "exploration" with their sexuality.

Men are born and bred to fuck women. Any doubts about your sexuality and your a fag. Nobody will talk to you. Fucking queers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623773
Note I'm not trying to support JAVs although that image seems to. Both are disgusting, only 2D is pure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623765
>It has nothing to do with (lesbians) secretly wanting cocks

what
When did anyone claim this?

[Anonymous No.]

>Are all people a little bit bisexual?

If you put it this way, yes. Sexual attraction isn't purely or even in some cases primarily about gender. For example, if you put a fake tan orange-skinned sorority girl next to a pale, feminine-looking guy who could easily pass as a good trap, I'd take the man ten times out of ten. Yet I'm not "gay", really, at least not in the sense normal society thinks of it.

Or maybe I really am gay and my theory is wrong. Who knows.

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>>6623779
>Ever noticed how in "lesbian" hentai and porn they almost always look at the viewer, as though inviting a man in? That's the kind of female homosexuality women accept.

[Anonymous No.]

Virgin antisocial men who don't know much about the social structure of the opposite sex talking with virgin antisocial women who don't know much about the social structure of the opposite sex. /jp/ cannot come up with an answer to this, and it does not need one.

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>>6623741
I agree a bit with the post you're quoting, but the point you're making is spot on.

Remember, a lot of "lesbian" porn is in no way actually aimed at dykes, just like all of that BL crap is in no way aimed at gay men. That's why in yuri you almost never see tomboyish characters, and why so often yuri is only implied and not explicitly stated—not to dis marimite, but it's a great example of both. The girls are still totally nonthreatening and also not so gay that they wouldn't be attracted to a big strong man (eg., the viewer). Like that Alice NTR doujin, the fantasy is that a good hard dicking will turn any dyke into your cockslave because girls can't live without a real penis inside them.

Other than Utena, I can't think of any dykes that compete with guys for girls and win. Obviously, the point of porn is fantasy, and not even NTR fetishists want their waifu stolen by a chick. So I'm actually not even saying this stuff is that bad or anything, just that it's something to be aware of.

Personally though, when a doujin involves lesbian rape it kills my boner instantly. Don't ask me why.

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>>6623765
No one is arguing that lesbians secretly want cock. What are you smoking?

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>>6623797
The point about why porn is the way it is is completely irrelevant to the question as to how, if at all, homophobia differs between genders, which was what the quoted post was about.

[Anonymous No.]

I couldn't fap to this because it was too pure. Or maybe because they weren't looking at me.

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>>6623797
I did actually see a website made for dykes once (3D, mind you) and I know it's heresy to say this here but I found it quite appealing.

Your points are all correct. Being a man I have no doubts that yuri fanservice is for my benefit anymore than yaoi is for women for the most part instead of actual gays.

[Anonymous No.]

Ignore the porn example he gave. What he's saying is that bi-curious is okay. But outright rejecting cock is not amongst women.

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>>6623785
It's a vacuous statement. Humans prefer things that look aesthetically pleasing, most of which are the same factors that make people attractive. Stuff like symmetry of features and physical signs of health are naturally appealing and we'd rather see those than see the opposite. Male or female, we prefer attractive people.

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>>6623815
It was too pure. I couldn't even bring myself to pull my pants down.

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>>6623797
>That's why in yuri you almost never see tomboyish characters

Are you talking about yuri as in lesbian porn or yuri as in girl-girl romance? The tomboyish girl is a pretty common trope in romantic yuri manga. Even if the rarely actually look like men, they are still tomboys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623670
>>6623787
Not really. I find it awkward when that happens since I'm female and don't like girls. I don't "approve" of it, I just take it as something for the male viewers to enjoy because obviously they're looking at the yuri because they think it's sexy and it's as if they're inviting them in, as you said.
Saying women approve of it is like they're all rubbing their hands together going "Yeees...She actually wants the dick. Good. Very good..."

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>>6623822
But...no. Gay is gay. Bisexuality is seen as being gay, also. Just like with males.

Women don't have secret little compacts to always lust for cock and shun women who break their secret society's rules. They're just a little nervous someone they don't find attractive (being the same gender as them) will come on to them if they don't keep them as arm's length, or have been taught that their preferences are an abomination; same as men.

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>>6623828
I'm always naked so that's a non factor, but I did not touch my penis.

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>>6623807
I would argue that it couldn't be more relevant, but I guess I might not understand your point. You said that the women were looking as if they were "inviting the man in" and the person who was quoting you said that the reason they do that in porn is for the male viewer (obviously not female, since not even lesbians would watch it).

Were you using that female gaze as a metaphor for how straight women tend to view lesbian behavior? On other words, just as many women will act differently or wear uncomfortable clothes or whatnot to make men happy, so to will they kiss their friends if their boyfriends get off on it.

You were making that latter point, right?

[Anonymous No.]

I just want to clarify that no one is saying that

lesbians = bad

Instead we are talking about how straight women think that

lesbians = bad

...I mean, that's what you're all saying, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623840
I salute you Anonymous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623670
>Ever noticed how in "lesbian" hentai and porn they almost always look at the viewer, as though inviting a man in?
biggest boner killer ever

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>>6623797
>The girls are still totally nonthreatening and also not so gay that they wouldn't be attracted to a big strong man (eg., the viewer). Like that Alice NTR doujin, the fantasy is that a good hard dicking will turn any dyke into your cockslave because girls can't live without a real penis inside them.
I disagree. Most people who are into yuri seem to like thinking of themselves as one of the girls. They'll get downright offended if someone even thinks about inserting a man in their little yuri paradise.

I'm not expert at this, but it seems like the result of some degree of self-loathing. They want to escape to a world where they technically don't exist, and feel threatened if any male were to enter the picture.

I blame feminism.

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>>6623830
No I mean it across the board, but we might have to get or definitions straight (har har dur hur). When you say "tomboyish" do you mean just dominant? The most common yuri trope is to have an innocent blushing younger girl and a cool collected and more aggressive older girl, but the more dominant partner is almost always a feminine ideal as well. She's usually a lot less cute, but she almost always is rich, has perfect grades, etc., and is someone the more submissive girl looks up to.

Don't be afraid to tear up this argument if you think i'm wrong though.

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>>6623860
This. I only like yuri because I wish to be the cute girl.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

As one of the few completely straight guys here I think that 99% of /jp/ seems a little bit bisexual.

Doesn't really bother me though. Anon wouldn't be the same if he dropped the little girl thing.

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>>6623830
There is also the 'banchou' (sp?) archetype of thuggish, self-confident girls, both in yuri and straight manga. The most immediate example /jp/ will think of is probably the fanonical Yuugi.

[Anonymous No.]

for a second I thought I clicked on /u/

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>>6623866
I don't think feminism has anything to do with it. I'm only attracted to women, I'm naturally unattractive and don't really take care of my appearance anyway, so I find myself probably only one-tenth as hideous as 3D women do and still find myself repulsed by myself. Hence my autogynephilia. I feel that to be ugly with someone beautiful is to drag them down to my level somewhat.

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>>6623867
I do not think that you are wrong, it's true that the feminine ideal is always/often represented in yuri, but I would say that the genre is far from devoid of tomboyish girls. The tall short-haired girl, who is also the captain of the sports club and dubbed the "prince" of the all girls-school; this kind of trope exists, too right?

Also, you mentioned that pornographic lesbian media is rarely if ever aimed towards actual lesbians. True, but romantic yuri manga is often shoujo manga drawn by females and usually have a fair amount of female readers as well. I don't have any numbers, but that's the impression I've always been under.

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>>6623866
Right, but the point is that it's THEIR yuri paradise. I think I've also swung a bit too freely from describing what would be perhaps a normalfag attitude towards lesbians (they secretly want my cock) and an otaku attitude (I want to be their little girl).

The latter comes out of a desire to want to be accepted by girls, perhaps born from an awkwardness with and shame of their own bodies and how society doesn't deem them living up to the standards of masculinity (wearing Axe and fucking bitches). I'd hardly attribute that to feminism. In fact, just the opposite: society taught them that in order to talk to women they had to be a buff asshat. They rejected that role, but now they feel the only way to be with girls is to be one of them, since women will never except a feminine man.

This is all me bullshitting though, so feel free to call me out if it sounds stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

The question I want to ask is: why aren't girls attracted to male characteristics?

Most girls will pick an androgynous male over a masculine one.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>6623884

Yuugi? Thuggish? Surely you jest?

Got to be proper and refined when you're queen and all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623866
>thinking of themselves as one of the girls
That's what I read yuri for. Feeling depressed afterwards.

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>>6623902
THAT'S a pairing I don't understand.

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>>6623920
I don't know, I'm not that much of a yuri fanatic, I just like some specific works, but that analysis seems pretty spot on in my case.
When I first tried out yuri, on some unconscious level I loved it because it was like "in this setting it's alright being insecure, shy embarassed, this is cute and not something to be made fun of"

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>>6623902
I can understand not feeling particularly confident about your body and wanting to escape it, but wouldn't it be easier to just fantasize about being a more attractive male, rather than associating your unattractiveness with the fact that you are male so that you have to fantasize about being female to feel desirable?

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>>6623946
Well you have to admit she's a bit of a slugger, but you're right. The only Touhou character I would really describe as seeming thuggish in personality as well as appearance is butch Mokou.

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>>6623920
Not stupid but it's easy to think up a reason for anything. That's why everyone on 4chan has a degree in psychology.

Personally I think it's just simple curiosity, and who doesn't want to be what they find attractive.

I know that even as a young boy I'd masturbate to the idea of turning into a girl.

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>>6623937
Will they? I find it to be mostly asian thing. Manly and gentlemanly movie heroes have never gone out of style.

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>>6623903
Your latter point about female readership is absolutely true. At this point though, we still run into some problems. Like I said before, the older sister type is usually a beautiful feminine role model. So the (platonic) sisterly relationship between them, even if it's very intense, still falls within the bounds of what's acceptable for a straight girl. Girls in America, for instance, are allowed to sincerely complement each other on their appearance without feeling like they sound gay, because what they're essentially doing is saying "You look attractive to guys, feel better about yourself" not "you look hot, let's fuck."

My impression is that the large female readerbase is often because of this. That's not to say, though, that some of those girls aren't sincere fans of lesbian relationships. I don't want to say something that obnoxiously encompassing. I'm just saying that a totally straight girl could absolutely enjoy that sort of relationship without it being gay at all, and in fact with it reaffirming her straightness.

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>>6623969
Well, you see, in my mind I suppose that I would look different if I had been a girl, and can imagine an alter ego for myself as a female who I find attractive enough to be acceptable being seen with a character who I am actually attracted to. When I imagine myself as a more desirable male I feel territorial and also intensely aware than I am engaging in escapism. Imagining myself as a girl comes far more smoothly and comfortably.

[Hong Meiling 門門 !!4kI2ajBUI8D No.]

>>6623946
Indeed. She's full of grace. Also Happy (belated?) Birthday Helen. Don't have much in terms of a present but this image.

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>>6623969
My theory is that it's not about being desireable, it's about being included. By being a girl, they're instantly accepted into a world of beautiful girls and their are no men in sight to threaten that sanctity. From my personal experience, I related and got along with girls much better than boys before adolescence. The idea is to return to a tim, when no one questioned your sexuality and no one forced you to be someone you weren't, and when girls accepted you naturally without being afraid or creeped out by you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623975
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard%27s_transsexualism_etiology#Autogynephilia
The more you know.

[Anonymous No.]

I like yuri, but I don't imagine that they secretly want my cock and I don't imagine that I am one of the girls. Am I doing it wrong?

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>>6623920
That does make some sense, even if it probably doesn't apply to all yurifriends. Personally I can relate to the whole deal of not really living up to what's expected of men, but I prefer to either put myself into a setting where I do (galge self-insertion), or put myself into a setting where it doesn't matter if I'm like like (femdom eroge self-insertion).

I guess what bothers me is that it seems awfully depressing to want to be the little girl, because whenever you are not completely indulged in your fantasies, you will always be reminded that you are not, in fact, a little girl, and that there's no way that will ever change. In my situation, there's not really much bothering me about it, the few things my fantasies have that my reality doesn't, I find that I can live with.

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>>6624027
No, you are the middle ground between insecure normalfag (WOMEN CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT MY COCK) and insecure otaku (WOMEN WILL NEVER ACCEPT ME AS A MALE)

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>6623992

Um... thanks?
It's nice, but my birthday isn't until July.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6623975
Oh, I agree completely. I did as well. There are many different reasons for wanting to be the little girl, and certainly more than one can apply.

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>>6624030
Yeah. It does kind of feel like that, which is exactly how I went off the rails after high school and spend most of my time in fantasy and escapism.

You can empathise with (the derogatory meaning of the term) otaku when you consider that they firstly have more to avoid through fantasising and have fantasies such that they are continually reminded that they are not fantasising whenever they aren't.

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>>6624027
You're one of those who gets off purely on observing the situation, rather than having to see yourself as a part of it. On the bright side, watching porn is a completely fulfilling experience for you without needing to feel jealous of one of the characters, but you have to be vary, since you're also the kind of person who would see it as just as pleasurable to hide in your closet and fapping while watching your waifu cheating on you as it would be to actually have sex with your waifu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624037
"I hate myself too much to even imagine being either desired or included."

[Anonymous No.]

I wish the real world of lesbians was like that in Marimite or other yuri series...

Do you have any idea how much it hurts when you are cuddling with the girl you've secretly loved for years and she confesses her love to you, only to add "I'd marry you if you were a man"? Also, what was said here about straight women and their reactions: >>6623670 ...

I hate my gender and have given up on women. That's how I ended up on /jp/, where I can fantasise of a perfect waifu who won't give me false hope and then say things that include "if you were a man".

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624074
Misanthropic women-hating lesbians: pure /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624074
It's funny, I wish yuri had more 'butch' females so I could transpose myself on them.

[Hong Meiling 門門 !!4kI2ajBUI8D No.]

>>6624041
Though it was in December. Anyway that's quite belated already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624093
My diabetes! My lactose intolerance!

[Negro Anon !2PVlPMrKQA No.]

>>6623422
>Studies have shown that women respond to all types of sexual depictions—not only heterosexual and homosexual images but even those of chimpanzees having sex.

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=

First page, use ctrl+F to find the bit. The article isn't about female sexuality or bisexuality but it does make a passing reference to that study.

>heterosexual and lesbian women's sexual arousal to erotic films do not differ significantly by the genders of the participants (male or female) or by the type of sexual activity (heterosexual or homosexual).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation#Sexual_arousal

Short answer: Women aren't interested in the gender of who's in the sexual act on the subconscious level. There brains automatically register arousal even before they notice the gender or even species of the things in the act. When they do register the people in the act of sex they're socially constructed morals come into play, so now they're feeling guilty AND aroused.

So all those yuri manga with that one girl going "We can't do this we're both girls!" and the other girl going "But you're already this wet, you know you want it." is an accurate and realistic depiction. First and last time ero-manga has been correct about anything ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624090
I'd say /jp/ users have feminine personalities to begin with. At least that's the case with me, I have no problem identifying myself with female characters. Being a caring, knowledgeable elder sister is my ultimate goal, after all.

[Anonymous No.]

EVERYONE is a little bisexual.

I can guarantee that the majority of guys on /jp/ and 4chan in general would fuck a trap and play pretend. I can guarantee that the few girls that are on /jp/ and 4chan in general would sleep with another female.

Everyone is bicurious at one point or another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624301
4chan is hardly a good cross-section and /jp/ is a particularly terrible cross-section of the general population.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>6624301
>>fuck a trap and play pretend

Uh, no thanks. Just thinking about that makes my penis shrivel up and die.

[Aya Shameful !I4IrJba9Qw No.]

>>6624301
>EVERYONE is a little bisexual.
But I don't find men attractive what so ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624301
I wouldn't mind having gay sex, as long as my partner is at least as cute as a trap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624301
I used to disagree but now I don't know anymore. 20 years I've spend straight never finding a man attractive ever, but 4chan gave me an interest in the occasional 2D trap. Yet real men still disgust me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624323
>>6624329
So insecure about their sexuality they had to put on trips and claim they were straight.

[Aya Shameful !I4IrJba9Qw No.]

>>6624355
>insecure
Yeah, if you think so bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624374
>Pretending he wouldn't fuck a trap
>"I'm not insecure"

Okay.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>6624443

American Shemale fishing for lonely otaku to fuck.

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>>6624301
Yeah, this is what I was saying. I would bone a guy who looks good in a skirt. He'd have to look basically like a girl, though required femininity would be inversely proportional to how drunk I am.

[Aya Shameful !I4IrJba9Qw No.]

>>6624443
>Pretending
>Quotes something that I didn't even say

[Anonymous No.]

I remember reading about a study showing that while men, when shown ornographic images and videos, only reacted positively in accordance to their preference (that is, straight men reacted only to lesbian and hetero sex and were turned off by everything else, and gay men only reacted to gay sex, and were turned off by everything else), women across all lines of sexuality admitted to being somewhat aroused by images of heterosexual sex, homosexual sex, lesbian sex, and even bonobo sex.

I really think women are just inherently different by nature when it comes to this, and are indeed all a bit bicurious to some degree.
I also think that >>6623670 is a steaming pile of horse shit, but maybe that was the point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624475
>Implying "Yeah, if you think so bro." in this context isn't just another way of saying "I'm not insecure"

[Aya Shameful !I4IrJba9Qw No.]

>>6624495
Wow you really must be autistic or something, give up trying to put words into peoples mouths.

on another note "Oh my god! it's full of stars!"
-end communication.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624488
I think what this shows is that men are aroused by the sensations of sex (visual, tactile, etc.), while women are aroused by the idea of sex.

Which I guess is why men like porn and women like erotica.

[Anonymous No.]

This is a fascinating self-analysis. What an excellent thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6624982
Indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

Thread was dead at 19:47 hours 12/14/10

Cause of Death: Lameness

[Anonymous No.]

Let's talk about this some more.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck no, let's no.

[Anonymous No.]

Shitty thread is shit.