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Why is there such little anticipation for episode 7's translation? Have Uminekofags finally realized that its shit or does ep 7 somehow manage to be worse than the previous ones?

>> No.6603889

A lot of people already read it ya know.

>> No.6603893

Why is Luci the only stake in that pic, it's because she's the best one. Amirite?

>> No.6603897

Are you implying that Umineko being shit would stop my love for Beato?

>> No.6603909
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>>6603893
obviously

>> No.6603914

They're just too fucking slow... I'm still waiting ofc, and I wont download the partial patch.

>> No.6603921

>>6603893
I think she is the only stake in the upcoming fightin game

>> No.6603922

>>6603893
Because it's the Ougon Musou Kyoku fanart, and she's the only playable stake.

>> No.6603929

>>6603880
>Why is there such little anticipation
someone missed all the meanwhile at witch hunt threads

>> No.6603978

>>6603880
Because people with good taste have long since given up starting threads about anything but touhou waifus in /jp/ because of trolls like you.

>> No.6603998

I already read the partial patch but looks like the funny part is not translated yet. All that crap about yasu is bored as hell. So still waiting.

>> No.6604001

>>6603998
> All that crap about yasu is bored as hell.
typical umineko fan
solution is given and he goes "but where the trolling witches XD be at? Bern-sama is my waifu"

>> No.6604048

>>6603998
The second part of the main game is boring as well.

>> No.6604079

Didn't we have like 30 nonstop Umineko generals when 7 came out

>> No.6604269

>>6604001

Don't talk shit about Yasu or her story. It's the best thing I have read in Umineko since Ep4.
Actually I find some of the logic battles way more boring.

>> No.6604303

Why do /Jp/ hate Umineko alot.......

they treat it like the Naruto of Visual novels........

>> No.6604333

>>6604079
Yes, and they'll be back in about three weeks.

>> No.6604340

>>6604303
>Naruto of Visual novels........
Isn't that the same thing they said with Fate/Stay Night?

>> No.6604349

>>6604269
uh, what? I was exactly making fun of people that don't like Yasu's backstory.

>> No.6604353

>>6604303
You know how /a/ hates good anime?
Yeah, it's kind of like that.

>> No.6604355

>>6604001
Ryuukishi fault for writing such a shitty plot.

>> No.6604358

>>6604355
But he always does that, this is nothing new.

>> No.6604359

>>6604303
Because most people think popular = shit

when it really is popular is not necesarilly good (you can be both)

>>6604340
Nasufags and all...

>> No.6604366

>>6604353
Except nobody in his right mind would think Umineko is good.
It's trash, enjoyable at time but trash nonetheless.

>> No.6604383

What of Umineko is good?
The plot is just a shitty contrived trainwreck, the writing is pure shit, the pacing is fucking horrible, most of the characters are useless.
I'll give you the soundtrack.

>> No.6604404

I'm already waiting for the next 'no naku koro ni' thing, umineko's universe is getting too 'used'.

>> No.6604432

>>6604383
Okay, I'll bite.

The themes are strong and something people should actually consider in every day life. The ideas about the subjectivity of truth are interesting. I strongly disagree about the cast being useless; while they are a handful of unnecessary characters (mostly in meta), much of the cast is incredibly fleshed out, fucked up, and a joy to read about.

>> No.6604445

People that complain about Umineko and didnt pay attention or at least read the novel are trolls.......

>> No.6604455

>>6604432
The themes are directly and almost without change ripped of from Forest, except they lost all subtlety in the process.

And saying that most of the cast is "incredibly fleshed out" is so fucking retarded it blows my mind, you must have some really low standards.

>> No.6604470

>>6604383
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/5900354#p5900556

>> No.6604475

>>6604455
Well, I'm not familiar with Forest so I can't really argue with that. Care to explain what the themes in Forest are about?

I love how you have to resort to strong language when someone's opinion differs from yours. Anyway, I appreciate the morally ambiguous cast. They are characters who are all total dickbags, yet Ryukishi still makes sure you understand them and why they act the way they do without taking away from the atrocity of the things they do. That's a lot more than most media has to offer these days.

>> No.6604513

>>6604475
Most of the characters are really shallow, even the most "fleshed out", that's why I'm mocking you.
You are praising the development of characters who have the depth of a puddle.

And for Forest, without spoiling since it will probably be translated in one year or so, it has:
-Mystery vs fantasy, without love it can't be seen, battle between the "witch" and the main character/narrator, though the narrator "fall for" the witch by the end, meta concepts everywhere, fictions within fictions, growing different personalities within one person which amount to play acting because you want to run away from reality, story that never end, even the true meaning of magic and I'm missing lots of things.
Beatrice is a mix of Black Alice and Amamori.

Higurashi was basically a rip-off of Kusarihime that was writen by the same writer as Forest.
So I guess Ryuukishi next title will be a rip-off of Seven Bridge.

>> No.6604522

What is amazing of Umineko and Higurashi is their popularity
if Umineko is that Shitty

then Explain why is Popular?

why did Higurashi became famous?

why do "Faggot" like us love it?

>> No.6604540 [DELETED] 

>>6604513
If Ryukishi is really a talentless hack and a ripoff why hasn't he been called out on it?

>> No.6604536

>>6604513
>Most of the characters are really shallow, even the most "fleshed out", that's why I'm mocking you.
>You are praising the development of characters who have the depth of a puddle.

In your opinion. And you haven't really given me anything to back up your opinion yet other than "you're fucking retarded," so I suppose I don't have to take you seriously either.

Hmm. Maybe I'll have to try Forest some time, then.

>> No.6604589

>>6604522
Umineko actually isn't popular in Japan, it has a niche fanbase and it managed to attract some fangirl of the otomege crowd but it's not even close to the popularity of Higurashi.

>> No.6604606

>>6604513
It's so great that you know Japanese and can read all kinds of VNs and disparage translated ones that are inevitably either overrated or ripoffs of other, better VNs that haven't been translated.

You got me interested in Forest, though, even though you're a prick. I'll look out for the translation.

>> No.6604779

>>6604513
>Most of the characters are really shallow, even the most "fleshed out", that's why I'm mocking you.
>You are praising the development of characters who have the depth of a puddle.

Such compelling and intelligent arguments! Surely everyone who likes Umineko and its characters realizes the error of their ways from your stunning insights!

>> No.6604812

>>6604779
Those with a brain probably.
I won't say nobody can enjoy Umineko, it can be enjoyable in a crappy trainwreck way I guess.
But those who think it has a good story and characterization are retarded, simple as that.

>> No.6604832

>>6604589

You have to wonder why...

>> No.6604833

>>6604606
No really, I'm another anon who played Forest, being popular doesn't have much to do with this. I'm not saying Umineko is shit and you're of course free to like it as much as you wish, but if you played Forest first, Umineko just looks like a bland and overly stretched ripoff compared to it. Its supposedly best points are vastly diminished by the fact that you saw it all before, and made in a better way, so what you're left with is a mediocre and convoluted mess.
Not trying to come off as a prick either, but you'll understand how people screaming at how a ripoff is so original and deep can make people raise brows.

>> No.6604894

>But those who think it has a good story and characterization are retarded, simple as that.

Wow, it's like listening to a thoroughly butthurt broken record.

>> No.6604906

>>6604513
>Higurashi was basically a rip-off of Kusarihime that was writen by the same writer as Forest.
Really? I thought it's Saya who ripped off Kusarihime. The only things it has in common with Higurashi is the setting and the murders, which is not that much.

>> No.6604917

>>6604832
It's because Umineko isn't as accessible to the otaku crowd as Higurashi straight from its initial premise. Higurashi has a bunch of very likable, young, fundamentally sympathetic friends as main characters who have their nice sad backstories you can cry over but inevitably band together in the end and beat their hardships with the power of friendship. The initial suspense hook was also easy to understand, cute young girls going psycho and killing each other. Umineko has a cast of morally ambiguous adults who do shitty things to each other, and it sets out to explore and deconstruct mystery tropes. I mean, fuck, I had zero interest in Umineko compared to Higurashi when the premise was pitched, too.

>> No.6604920

>>6604906
Saya has a generally a similar kind of mood but it didn't really rip it off.
Kusarihime and Higurashi though have a lot more similar points than just the setting and the murders

>> No.6604941

>>6604917
That's pure bullshit.
There is nothing deep about Umineko, the morally ambiguous adults can all be summed in 2 lines, the deconstruction of mystery tropes is just really badly done and without any subtlety.

Umineko isn't as popular simply because it's not as good.

>> No.6604942

>>6604833
>BAWWW MY FAVORITE STORY ISN'T POPULAR

>> No.6604946

>>6604832
It's because Higurashi is actually good, unlike Umineko.

>> No.6604947

>>6604942
Forest is pretty popular though, what are you talking about?

>> No.6604949

>>6604941
Yeah, because you sure as hell can't sum up Higurashi characters or type-moon characters or basically any fucking character in two lines if you go out of your way to simplify them enough.

>> No.6604955

>>6604949
It's especially easy for Umineko though.
And you are the one who started with that morally ambiguous Umineko is too deep for them japs bullshit.

>> No.6604958

It took me over a year to pull through Higurashi's visual novels, and I only found myself getting somewhat interested as soon as Kai hit, unlike Umineko where I was enthralled from the beginning and speedily blazed through what was out of it. Ultimately, they're two very different series and if they weren't from the same guy I doubt that they'd even be compared.

>> No.6604962

>>6604955
Actually what he said was that, unlike Higurashi, the characters don't obviously fit into any sort of obvious moe archetype.

Heck, the majority of the cast in Umineko is over 30! That alone is unusual in the youth obsessed Japanese popular fiction.

>> No.6604964

>>6604955
Hahaha no, sorry, the Higurashi characters are about ten times easier to simplify. They're likable but they're pretty straightforward when it comes down to it.

It's not a matter of being deep or not, it's just how it is. More people will be drawn to a story about a group of heroic kids defeating fate than a story about a bunch of fucked up, shitty fifty year olds used to explore the mystery genre.

>> No.6604965

>>6604941
>the morally ambiguous adults can all be summed in 2 lines
Be my guest.

>>6604833
>you'll understand how people screaming at how a ripoff is so original and deep can make people raise brows.
I can see where you're coming from, I honestly can. I can't judge for myself because I haven't read it, but I'll take your word for it. But stop expecting other people to hate Umineko because it's a rip-off of a game they know nothing about. Regardless of what history it has, people are saying they like Umineko as a standalone and it's as simple as that.

>> No.6604980

>>6604962
Setting or initial setup have pretty much nothing to do with the quality of a story you know.
You are saying that Japaneses can't like a story with adult characters while you superior westerners can?
How fucking delusional can you be?

>> No.6604985

>>6604964
I'd be more drawn to the latter. Brightly colored kids defeating fate makes me want to roll my eyes.

>> No.6604989

>>6604965
WE NEED MONEY RIGHT

And for Natsuhi
ZOMG WING IN MY HEART LOOK AT ME BEING DELUSIONAL

>> No.6604991

>>6604980
Stop being so pathetically butthurt. The guy didn't even say a word about the quality of the series, he simply explained why Higurashi has more mainstream appeal.

>> No.6604994

>>6604980
The question being asked was why it wasn't as popular, not anything regarding the quality of the story. Which setting and premise have a lot to do with.

And no one said anything about Westerners being able to appreciate stories about adults better than Japanese, don't call other people delusional when you're the one imagining things that aren't there.

>> No.6604995

>>6604980
>Setting or initial setup have pretty much nothing to do with the quality of a story you know.

But it DOES have to do with who will first LOOK INTO a story.

It doesn't matter how good a story is if people refuse to read it. And most people want a quick, simple, appealing hook.

"A bunch of cute high school kids" is a more appealing hook compared to "A group of morally ambiguous adults" in terms of VN cast.

>> No.6604997

Except most of the focus of Umineko is on colorful witches and crappy love story between a crazy maid and 3 teenagers.
How is better than Higurashi?

You fags are completely delusional.

>> No.6605000

>>6604989
Ah, so you really are just pathetically biased and probably didn't pay much attention to anything you read.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

>> No.6605005

>>6604997
And you just hate things because they're popular.

So we're even.

>> No.6605006

>>6604985
I'm the same way, but I think a lot of people trend towards the opposite. I'm part of the crowd who is honestly confused when people say the characters and plot of Higurashi are so much superior to Umineko because from my perspective it's so obviously not true. But that's me.

>> No.6605008

>>6604995
Most fans of Higurashi tried Umineko, which is normal considering they were willing to give a chance to the new story their favorite writer wrote.

>> No.6605011

>>6604989
And thus you prove yourself wrong. It's rather glorious.

>> No.6605014

>>6604989
Oh, okay. Thanks for confirming yourself once and for all as a trolling butthurt moron.

>> No.6605026

Basically this is another battle in which the trolls slowly make it so that absolutely nothing can be posted on /jp/

>> No.6605028

>>6605014
>>6605011
Like it's not true.

The only adults who actually got good enough characterization were Eva and Natsuhi.
The others are simple walking shallow plot devices.

Most of the focus of Umineko is on these teenagers and witches which doesn't make it any different from Higurashi.

>> No.6605034

>>6605026
This should be the plot for a VN.

>> No.6605035

>>6604997
Except most of the focus of Higurashi is on cheerful schoolkids and a crappy friendship story between a dimension jumping girl and people with brain parasites. How is this better than Umineko?

You fags are delusional.

>> No.6605039

>>6605008
Yeah, and for both Higurashi and Umineko, the first episode serves as an introduction to the setting and characters.

Higurashi = likable and simplistic (by nature of the point of their characterization) teenage kids who suddenly go entertainingly psycho killer on Keiichi.
Umineko = adults arguing about finances and Battler musing about mystery shit.

Gee, which is going to fundamentally appeal to a wider crowd?

>> No.6605043

If Umineko only appeal to people who are attracted to stories about morally ambiguous adults then why is most of the fanbase composed of fans of ZOMG TROLLING WITCHES XD, fangirls who love to see Battler take it in his ass and shipper faggots?

>> No.6605045

>>6604997
>crappy love story between a crazy maid and 3 teenagers.

Like Shion's almost stalkerish obsession with a guy she only talked to a handful of times and latched onto because there was nothing else for her to do was any better? Yeah, right.

>> No.6605046

>>6605028
>Like it's not true.
But it isn't true in the slightest. "I WANT MONEY" has pretty much nothing to do with any of the adult's central characterization. Not to say they don't act like greedy assholes, but greed is hardly their main issue.

You're missing Rosa from that list, by the way. I'd argue she's a more intriguing character than either Eva or Natsuhi, and I like both. I will give you that Kyrie and the dads have weaker characterization than the other three, but even they are nowhere near as simple as you're trying to make them out to be.

>> No.6605047

>>6605043
Because you're a troll who hates things that other people like because you feel no joy and want to make others as miserable as yourself.

And will die alone

>> No.6605052

>>6605043
>implying I can't love morally ambiguous adults, trolling witches, and Battler taking it up the ass at the same time

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>> No.6605062

>>6605046
Rosa is extremely shallow, her characterization in episode 4 was basically a rehash of what we saw in episode 1 and 2 which show quite well that Ryuukishi doesn't have any idea how to pace shit.
She has next to nothing to her character except 2-3 traits who are all obvious from the first episode

>> No.6605065

>>6605047
Superb argument there

>> No.6605074

Is someone translating forest?

I liked umineko at first but it's taken a decrease in quality lately. Would have preferred if they stayed more like 1/2.

>> No.6605080

To be honest, I think people can get influenced by the fanbases. I can easily admit that I became disenchanted with Higurashi because of the KILLER RORIS OMG RENA WITH A CLEAVER BLOOD EVERYWHAAARRREE!!!1111 XD brigade. Christ, you all know the types. And I can see that it could be easy for someone to see all the discussion threads we have about the most inane plot points and think that the plot and the people who discuss it must be complete idiots.

>> No.6605081

>>6605062
Rosa is more compelling and has more depth than most of the Higurashi kids. EP4 goes more a lot more in depth about the situation that was introduced in 1 and 2. Or is your idea of good characterization a sudden shocking backstory reveal out of nowhere ala Higurashi?

>> No.6605083

>>6605074
Ixrec will after Alternartive.
Shit goes places, too many.
Just wish the art was better, didn't like the author in Kusarihime and I think it's the same.

>> No.6605086

>>6605065
Not really much of an argument, just an observation.

Basically less and less is actually TALKED about in /jp/. I mean even in "trolls trolling trolls" /v/ video games actually get talked about.

Here it's more like, thanks to the efforts of people like him, it's "trolls trolling NOBODY". Just an endless echo chamber of hatred about any topic. I eagerly await the day when trolling becomes having a civil conversation about something just because it's so UNEXPECTED

>> No.6605088

>>6605074
Ixrec is definitely translating it. Either after Muv-Luv (which he's translating now), or after Sharnoth (which is also on his agenda.

>> No.6605091

>>6605062
Rosa is not shallow in the slightest, unless you've been paying attention to no part of her characterization other than "BEST MOTHER EVER XDDDD."

Rosa is severely emotionally scarred. She's been through more shit than anyone else in the series, and this has fucked up her up to the point where she can't live functionally. She acts in such contradictory ways; she loves and needs Maria, yet at the same time unleashes all her pain or her and pushes her away. She can't decide whether she loves or hates her daughter. And that's why Maria had to come up with the whole "black witch" thing, because Rosa isn't just one thing or another. She's both the kind person she tries to be and the cold, psychopathic person who slips through because she's so broken.

She's a horrible person, but at the same time a sympathetic human being whose life is really something to pity. She actively prevents herself from being happy, and that's sad.

>> No.6605099

>>6604958
>It took me over a year to pull through Higurashi's visual novels

I haven't even finished the first arc of Higurashi. I just can't get myself to care for the plot.

>> No.6605106

>>6605028
>The others are simple walking shallow plot devices.

Yes, because there definitely weren't some characters in Higurashi who weren't blatantly shallow plot devices as opposed to the more developed central characters. Please, tell me about the untold depths of Chie and Teppei.

>> No.6605109

>>6605088

Thought he finished all that muvluv stuff.

Ah well, I'll put it in my plan to read. Sounds cool.

>> No.6605113

When the fuck did this thread turn into Higurashi vs Umineko?
They are both shits, get better taste.

>> No.6605115

>>6605113

your opinion != fact

>> No.6605131

>>6605109
>finish
he has till april with alternative.

>> No.6605147

>>6605043

But Umineko is the only story that made me interested in adults instead lolis/teenagers.

I would be perfectly fine with a EP with no characters other than the adults.

>> No.6605165

>>6605113
>>6605113
>>6605113
>>6605113
>>6605113

Give your best shot. I dare you.

>> No.6605178

Gotta love the double standard in this thread. Umineko is indeed shit (and should be called on being shit), but so is Cross Channel, YMK, Muv-luv etc. Yet you hardly ever see anyone hating on those.

>> No.6605184

>>6605178
One of those is extremely popular and it even has a (rather bad) anime series.

>> No.6605192

Fellow anons have in mind that all Hate opinions here in 4chan are made by Trolls

Remember dont argue with trolls

also Sage.......

>> No.6605207

I'll just leave that here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3npjCiO1FcA

>> No.6605264

>>6605178
Except YMK is hated because it's pure shit.

>> No.6605293

>>6605264
No, YMK is mediocre, get it right.

>> No.6605509

>>6605293

shit, mediocore, crap, bad whats the difference?

>> No.6605528

>>6605509
shit:2
mediocre:5
crap:3
bad:4
see?

>> No.6605563

Finally, /jp/ brings down the hammer on Nekofags. Son, I am pride.

>> No.6606286

My collection from Share, eMule and some webs:
http://www.mediafire.com/?uurs61iyw9nrc
They're:
- All raws, no E-scans.
- All scans, no photos.

Do I miss anything? Help to fullfill it.

>> No.6606297

>>6606286
Sorry my wrong place.
How do I delete it?

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