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Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:21:58 2010 No.6552253 [Reply] [Original]

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:24:21 2010 No.6552264 Fate/SHIT Night

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:25:20 2010 No.6552274 >>6552264 ooo so edgy

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:25:21 2010 No.6552280 Fate Gay Shite

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:25:50 2010 No.6552277 >>6552264 EPIC WIN XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:26:50 2010 No.6552287 Shit/shit shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:29:20 2010 No.6552304 >>6552264 >>6552274 >>6552277 >>6552280 >>6552287 ARCHIVE THIS SHIT!!!! DON'T LET THIS 404 ON US!!!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:29:51 2010 No.6552305 Fuck/Shit Nigger

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:30:23 2010 No.6552311 >Thanks for your request. >It has been added to our database and the thread will be archived as soon as enough request for that thread have been made. >This thread has been requested 3 times now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:31:58 2010 No.6552314 Not gonna lie, I liked Fate/Stay Night a lot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:32:58 2010 No.6552320 >>6552314 your taste is terrible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:33:58 2010 No.6552328 File: 998 KB, 976x974, 1181366733216.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6552314 You and everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:50:58 2010 No.6552395 It was a solid 5/10. I wish it was a bit shorter. Had a lot of repetition and in general wasn't worth the length.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:30:58 2010 No.6552590 I played the first two routes but never played Heaven's Feel. I don't care for Sakura, am I missing out on anything?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:31:58 2010 No.6552595 >>6552590 Aside from two or three good scenes, nothing that you probably haven't already learned from threads on /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:32:58 2010 No.6552596 >>6552590 HF is the best route, but the worst girl, so it evens out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:32:58 2010 No.6552597 >>6552590 Not really. Spoilers if you want to know Instead of Shirou whining about wanting to save everyone he finally has to make a realistic devision

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:33:58 2010 No.6552602 >>6552596 >worst girl There is no worst girl in F/SN. They are all so terrible it's impossible to rate them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:33:58 2010 No.6552603 >>6552597 Mind of steel isn't canon though unfortunately

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:33:58 2010 No.6552604 >>6552590 How much do you know about Sakura? Either way, it's the best route. Rin actually gets development that isn't her being a tsundere!

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:34:58 2010 No.6552605 >>6552602 Ahh man I meant to save "worst heroine". Caster was pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:34:58 2010 No.6552607 >>6552602 >sakura >terrible >saber >terrible You take that back.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:34:58 2010 No.6552610 >>6552603 Wait what? Which one was mind of steel. It's been a while since I've played it

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:35:58 2010 No.6552613 >>6552603 Nope. All 5 Endings and 40 Other Endings of various sorts are all canon. Nasu agreed, don't bother him about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:35:58 2010 No.6552615 Oh Rin. <3

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:37:58 2010 No.6552626 >>6552613 Heaven's Feel True End is the "end" of F/SN, though. There really isn't any arguing about that; it's written as a capstone to the whole game. inb4 BAWWWWW BUT THERE NO SEIBAAA, etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:37:58 2010 No.6552627 >>6552603 He still went against his ideal going down that path. HF shirou is the one who decided to try to save people, and with no compromises.

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:38:58 2010 No.6552630

>>6552604
I think I know about 90% of what happens from how much it comes up on /jp/. Same reason I've never played past Episode 1 of Umineko. /jp/ spoiled it to hell It was my fault, I can't resist running my mouse over spoilers

Anyway, I guess i'll run through it if it's the best route.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:38:58 2010 No.6552631 >>6552627 And in accepting that there are things he cannot change no matter what, he became an adult. That's the whole point.

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:39:58 2010 No.6552633

>>6552590
The whole focus of the route is pretty much "LOL SAVE SAKURA" (as opposed to Fate/UBW which didn't completely center around Saber/Rin), so that can be kind of a turn-off if you don't like her. (I don't dislike her, but did get pretty sick of her in HF.)

On the plus side, Kotomine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:39:58 2010 No.6552634 >>6552630 >It was my fault, I can't resist running my mouse over spoilers Yeah seriously I wish there was a confirmation or something.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:40:58 2010 No.6552638 >>6552626 That's more of the fact that it's the end of the last route rather than anything like it's the main end or anything like that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:40:58 2010 No.6552639 File: 31 KB, 640x480, avalon1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6552626 >NO SEIBAAAAAAA Realta Nua took care of that glaring flaw, bub.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:49:58 2010 No.6552680 >>6552638 Yes, but there's a reason the route order is enforced. I mean, it's arguably the only True End that's completely happy for everyone (who's still living).

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:52:58 2010 No.6552692 >>6552680 Which is why the True End is so bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:53:58 2010 No.6552697 >>6552692 Whoops, hit submit before finishing. Not because it's a happy end, but because it feels like such an asspull the way it was reached.

>>	Space Flower !JLY7OHoMIg Thu Dec 2 23:02:58 2010 No.6552718 The Mind of Steel dead end was the best. Just think, Fate/Zero, but with a servantless Shirou. Actually he probably just used Ilya and 'Zerker.

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:05:58 2010 No.6552730

>>6552680
>I mean, it's arguably the only True End that's completely happy for everyone (who's still living).

The same could be said of every route except for a small hiccup in UBW. Guess every route is the 'true' end of FS/N according to you which is true .

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:06:58 2010 No.6552734 >>6552718 Wasn't Mind of Steel just an End, or was that Sparks Liner High?

>>	Space Flower !JLY7OHoMIg Thu Dec 2 23:08:58 2010 No.6552742 >>6552734 You're totally right. I don't remember end names well.

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:09:58 2010 No.6552750

>>6552730

Fate didn't really end very well for Saber. And hell, in retrospect it's absolutely terrible for Ilya (who will die within a year) and Shirou (who will become Archer as a result).

>>6552697

You want asspull? Try Kohaku's ending, Arcuied's True Ending (after playing her Good Ending), or the UBW Good Ending.

HF's True Ending really isn't that much of an asspull given what the Third Magic is supposed to do, what the Tohsaka gems are normally used for, Ilya's role in that route, etc. etc.

Unless you're talking about something else?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:11:58 2010 No.6552754 >>6552734 Mind of Steel was a BAD END and Sparks Liner High an END, as I recall. Taiga and Ilya even call the latter the HF Saber ending.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:12:58 2010 No.6552761 >>6552750 >Fate didn't really end very well for Saber. And hell, in retrospect it's absolutely terrible for Ilya (who will die within a year) and Shirou (who will become Archer as a result). Saber dies. Ilya dies. Shirou doesn't become Archer (canon).

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:12:58 2010 No.6552763 >>6552750 >Shirou (who will become Archer as a result). Nope. There's only a chance that happens. Same with UBW's ends.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:14:58 2010 No.6552768 >>6552754 Ah right, can never remember which is which.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:14:58 2010 No.6552770 >>6552763 Ilya claims that Shirou has a low chance of becoming Archer in Fate because she'll prevent it from happening. Guess who's dead in a year?

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:15:58 2010 No.6552773

>in retrospect it's absolutely terrible for Ilya (who will die within a year)
living for that year with her oniichan is still better than having her heart ripped out or her soul dissolving to save shirou

and hell, maybe within that year something could happen to prolong it, like a touko doll body or something else that would stop her body from dying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:17:58 2010 No.6552782 >>6552770 Nasu agreed that it was just a chance. Looking for the bit now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:18:58 2010 No.6552788 >>6552773 >her soul dissolving to save shirou That's what she wanted to do with the time she had left, though. It's a good ending for her because she knows she's going to die anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:20:58 2010 No.6552793 >>6552770 Guess who came to Avalon and saw Saber in the end and didn't become Archer? . Also, you said HF was happy for it's living characters. Just pointing out that every living character in every other route is happy as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:21:58 2010 No.6552799 File: 62 KB, 191x199, FSN143.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone else find Fuji-Nee's faces absolutely hilarious? I laughed like a little kid in a tickle fight at every scene she was in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:22:58 2010 No.6552803 >>6552793 Sakura is still alive in Fate and UBW, and given that Zouken is still around, I doubt she can be called "happy".

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:22:58 2010 No.6552804 >>6552799 She deserves a route.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:26:58 2010 No.6552821 File: 72 KB, 560x560, UI4P6GH25LS4APHUUWPCBAP4LLVZIRGG.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6552804 10 routes and a silly hat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:27:58 2010 No.6552825 >>6552803 Considering that Zouken is going to die because there's no way he can get the grail, Sakura will be off. The only thing is that she won't have Shirou to make her happy, but that's trivial.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:27:58 2010 No.6552827 Does anyone know who voiced Merlin? I'd really like to know.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:28:58 2010 No.6552837 >>6552825 Given that Zouken has had several hundred years to think, I'm sure he has some sort of temporary backup plan. Who do you think is fighting against Waver and Rin in the 2010 Fuyuki War that Nasu mentioned? >>6552827 He's voiced? When?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:30:58 2010 No.6552846 >>6552837 >Given that Zouken has had several hundred years to think, I'm sure he has some sort of temporary backup plan. Considering that the Holy Grail core was destroyed in every route, I doubt that he could do anything further.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:31:58 2010 No.6552852 >>6552827 >>6552837 He's voice in RN and the anime.

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:35:58 2010 No.6552872
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My first VN, I loved the anime, but love more the VN. I don't think there is only one ULTIMATE True End, i think there are all sides of one big story, pick your favorite end, thats what i love and hate about this VN, theres not only one ending.

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:35:58 2010 No.6552874

>>6552846

The True Grail is only destroyed in HF. Neither Shirou nor Rin seems to have any idea it even exists, and Nasu said something about Waver Velvet showing up in Fuyuki ten years later to finally dismantle it.

>>6552852

He's not mentioned on ANN at all, but Mordred is, oddly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:38:58 2010 No.6552887 >>6552874 Yes that's my bad. It wasn't destroyed fully in UBW (only in Fate). Also, if Waver (the guy from F/z?) dismantled it canonically, then Zouken really couldn't do anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:39:58 2010 No.6552895 >>6552837 Waver and Rin in the 2010 Fuyuki War that Nasu mentioned? what the fuck, do you got a link or more info? I love Nasu's crazy musings about his works.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:40:58 2010 No.6552900 >>6552895 http://completematerial.pbworks.com/w/page/32479544/FrontPage

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:40:58 2010 No.6552904

>>6552874
>>6552887

Here's what happened from World Material, in Fate and UBW.

2010s
The taking apart of the Holy Grail War.
Ten years after the Fifth War. Lord Emelloi the Second (real name, Waver Velvet. One of the Masters of the Fourth War) arrived in Fuyuki and together with the head of the Tohsaka line, set out to completely take apart the Great Grail. The Association was planning on bring back the Greater Grail, so the two sides were completely opposed. After the end of the great turmoil of the same magnitude as the Grail War, the Greater Grail was completely dismantled. The Grail Wars of Fuyuki came to a complete conclusion here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:42:58 2010 No.6552907 >>6552904 inb4 Nasu retcons Fate and Tsukihime into taking place in 2004 again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:42:58 2010 No.6552909 >>6552907 The canon is that Tsukihime is mid-2000, and Fate/stay night is late-2000.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:44:58 2010 No.6552916 >>6552909 Currently. It used to be 2000, and 2004, then both 2004, and now that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:45:58 2010 No.6552923 >>6552916 Was it ever actually said to be in 2004? I thought people just assumed it took place in the year the game came out in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:46:58 2010 No.6552928 >>6552923 I'm pretty sure he said it at one point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:48:58 2010 No.6552942 >>6552928 So... any source beyond "pretty sure"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:52:58 2010 No.6552962 >>6552942 Checking around now. I could be mixing up things that he said for things that were in F/Z that place F/SN in 2004.

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:10:58 2010 No.6553053

The main thing about HF is how it brings up a situation where Shirou's ideal fails regardless of what he does.
This is in turn something that gives him some leeway when it comes to his personal feelings, as living up to the ideal and acting on it has already failed.

Shirou's ideal was after all to save everyone, not to save the most.
Archer said that he should accept a sacrifice, in order to save as many further casualties as possible, that this was the only thing Emiya Shirou could do as he could not give up on people.
At the same time, Iliya said with childlike innocence that even children knows that protecting ones loved ones is natural.

But neither was neither right nor wrong in regards to the ideal.
This for once made Shirou able to in some way consider what he, himself, in fact wanted to do.
Every option is "wrong", with that in mind he could think of what choice he prefered.
HF introduced priorities beyond the ideal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:25:58 2010 No.6553113 >>6553053 And that's why it's the last route.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:25:58 2010 No.6553115 Isn't all we can know that f/sn took place somewhere around 2000-2009, wheras the dismantling were to take place somewhere around 2010-2019. And that tsuki took place roughly the same time as f/sn, possibly one or a few years earlier?

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:40:58 2010 No.6553206

>>6553053
Except that his turn to save Sakura was rushed with little explanation other than 'love' that didn't change much between routes.

I won't get into the nitty gritty, but that's why mos tpeople hated HF. Asspull ending and leap of faith for Shirou's decision

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:43:58 2010 No.6553222

>>6553115
>Isn't all we can know that f/sn took place somewhere around 2000-2009, wheras the dismantling were to take place somewhere around 2010-2019.

What?

Fate/stay night took place during 2004, it was set contemporary to its release. This is standard for most visual novels, Tsukihime took place in 2000.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:43:58 2010 No.6553225 >>6553206 >asspull ending People loved Kohaku's ending. Why don't people love the HF true end? I don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:44:58 2010 No.6553235 >>6553225 Because we are all one person.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:44:58 2010 No.6553238 >>6553222 That's wrong, of all the VNs I have played 1 was contemporous and one was not. Unless you think it's 1986,

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:45:58 2010 No.6553243 >>6553238 >makes a broad generalization after playing two visual novels

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:48:58 2010 No.6553261 >>6553238 Right, they're mostly "contemporous" (I assume you mean contemporaneous), except for ones authored by hack mystery writers who can't deal with cell phones.

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:48:58 2010 No.6553264

>>6553238

If it's slice of life, it's most likely set in the "present day" or time of its release. Few novels give actual dates beyond the calendar day or month, but more recent ones like Chaos;Head actually clarify they're in the present day (in that case, 2008).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:50:58 2010 No.6553274 >>6553261 Hey. Cell phones ruin a lot of classic stories. Especially mystery. You don't have to be a hack writer to want to write without them ruining shit. Otherwise you have to write in some clichéd way in which the cellphone gets disabled.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 00:59:58 2010 No.6553328 >>6553274 Chaos;HEad used cellphones brilliantly, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:03:58 2010 No.6553350 >>6553222 >it was set contemporary to its release. This is standard for most visual novels Some are set contemporary to when they are written, and this may differ and is not always altered.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:04:58 2010 No.6553355 I've finally decided to play this. What's the Fate/stay night Réalta Nua patch thing? Should I get that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:07:58 2010 No.6553366 >>6553355 It replaces a few scenes with the enhanced PS2 versions, although they're a little unstable and can crash sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:10:58 2010 No.6553371 Source?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:13:58 2010 No.6553375 >>6553366 Is it worth it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:14:58 2010 No.6553383 File: 53 KB, 800x600, kotomine_closeup.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6553375 It also add voices, so you can orgasm to Nakata Jouji's voice.

>>	Nitori's faceless !FRIENDgj1s Fri Dec 3 01:15:58 2010 No.6553385 >>6553375 it's a voice patch too, so your call

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:16:58 2010 No.6553386 >>6553355 Yes http://rnpatch.blogspot.com/ >>6553366 If you're getting crashes your version is probably out of date.

>>	Waku Waku !Hauu07PLe. Fri Dec 3 01:16:58 2010 No.6553391 >>6553383 >>6553385 The voice patch is a completely different thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:18:58 2010 No.6553394 >>6553386 The newest update makes it sound like it's not done yet

>>	Freezing !I8PjSaya5Y Fri Dec 3 01:22:58 2010 No.6553413 File: 260 KB, 739x600, âëâôâTü[âGâvâìâôë+ë«02a(ï¯).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >My face when my thread is still here

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:22:58 2010 No.6553415
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Finished it a few weeks ago, while it felt really dragged on sometimes (I really had to struggle not to abuse the skip function at some points), it was still a pretty good read.
Some scenes were really awesome and paid off your struggle through the boring ones, almost all the characters are very likeable and EMIYA is a pretty good BGM.
Also, fucking Nasu can't write ero scenes, oh God the laughs.

>>	Waku Waku !Hauu07PLe. Fri Dec 3 01:23:58 2010 No.6553423 >>6553394 It's not. Though most of the important scenes are. If you want to wait it might be done in the next month or so. Or it might not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:23:58 2010 No.6553426 >>6553391 Where can I get that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:25:58 2010 No.6553440 The Realta Nua is absolutely worth it for the enhancement of HF's finale and Last Episode.

>>	Waku Waku !Hauu07PLe. Fri Dec 3 01:25:58 2010 No.6553442 >>6553426 It's part of mirror moon's installer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:26:58 2010 No.6553446 >>6553415 I never understood where Saber learned to give blowjobs. It sounds like a weird thing for one of the greatest king's in history to have experience with.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:26:58 2010 No.6553447 >>6553413 Why don't you use the Homogay trip anymore, Magical Typemoon Index-chan?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:27:58 2010 No.6553453 >>6553413 Lancer >If Chu Chulainn had been summoned in his homeland Ireland, a castle, chariot, protection of sleeplessness, and the like would have been added probably. Shiiit nigga.

>>	Freezing !I8PjSaya5Y Fri Dec 3 01:29:58 2010 No.6553459 >>6553447 Who cares? I can't post anything in /jp/ anymore.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:30:58 2010 No.6553466 >>6553446 She had a dick temporarily. She might've experimented a lot with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:38:58 2010 No.6553522 File: 54 KB, 567x800, hgh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6552590 >>6552596 >>6552603 Sakura's the best girl with the best route.

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:40:58 2010 No.6553533

Waku, you may have already answered this sometime, somewhere, but is it hard to insert the text into a custom iso of Realta Nua?
Wouldn't that really be the best for the perfect Realta Nua experience, with the added soundtracks and all the minor transitions and the like?

My guess is that there are some complications in doing so that have prevented it from being done, but is it really harder than extracting everything from Realta Nua and then port it to the KiriKiri engine?

>>	Waku Waku !Hauu07PLe. Fri Dec 3 01:47:58 2010 No.6553580 >>6553533 >Waku, you may have already answered this sometime, somewhere, but is it hard to insert the text into a custom iso of Realta Nua? I don't have anything close to the skills for it, so I really have no idea.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:53:58 2010 No.6553627 Back in ancient England, it was okay to be homo

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 11:52:58 2010 No.6555491 >>6553627 Ancient Greece perhaps.

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