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Has /jp/ forsaken mahjong?

>> No.6549119

Stupid game, always makes me rage.

>> No.6549144

I never knew how to actually play this game
didn't stop me from playing it though

>> No.6549155

people here only play that piece of crap 3P so yeah looks like you're right

>> No.6549158

I find of stoped playing it... I got bored of it I guess I don't know... I played it for like 6 months or so...

>> No.6549175

I'd love to play, but the rules and everything seems so complicated that I can't gather the will to study it all.

>> No.6549183

WTF is Mahjong?

>> No.6549189
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trollface

>> No.6549200

>>6549189
I once talked to a girl at uni and I said I liked mahjong. She said she knew how to play it and was really surprised, only to discover she was talking about this solitary game.
Women cannot into refined games.

>> No.6549203

I wish there was a general strategy guide. I usually try to do 7 pairs but it never works out.

>> No.6549213

http://romaneko.x.fc2.com/ayazyan/ayazyan.html
this would be the limit of my mahjong experience
(well, this, the sanae one and the sakuya one)
give it a moment to load up

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>> No.6549228

>>6549200
they cannot what into refined games.

>> No.6549235

>>6549228
Get with the times.

>> No.6549273
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Stupid sexy Koromo, gives me a boner everytime.

>> No.6549328

>>6549213
This is pretty cool, unlocking CG's as you go. Too bad the text is all mojibake.

>> No.6549330

Were you there, AoA?

http://www.osamuko.com/2010/11/10/austrian-open-riichi-tournament-in-vienna-report/

>> No.6549949

Everytime I want to play there's no one in a Mahjong thread.

Every other time my internet cuts out.

Playing Mahjong games I got on the cheap for my PSP and DS is just way easier

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>>6549273
YAY!

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>>6549213
I beat this and got all the Aya related ones. You have a link to Sanae's?

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>>6549107
>>mahjong

The Japanese version of scrabble??

>> No.6550098

I can't think about Saki without thinking about North Africa during the period towards the end of the Roman republic. I don't know why.

>> No.6550106

>>6549203
That's because 7 pairs rarely works. Unless you end up with 5 pairs or 4 pairs with nothing that would be worth a double if you got a pon and no pons, you should go for toi-toi instead.

>> No.6550122

>>6550010
I LIKE this picture.

>> No.6550353

>>6550049
Actually Mahjong has a bit more akin to Poker or Gin Rummy than Scrabble It's also fairly cool

>>6549203
7 pairs is an incredibly hard hand to get, that's why it's worth so much. In general remember that the more a hand is worth the harder it is to acquire it and you shouldn't really go for it unless upon starting you have rough half of the all the tiles necessary.

There are a lot of Mahjong strategy books in Asia in general (one of my friends actually brought back a How to play Mahjong book with cute girls in it that he thought was an art book) there are fewer in America but a lot more How to guides. I'd recommend Teach Yourself: Mahjong 1st or 2nd Edition as a good teaching tool. It introduces you to the game has a light scoring section and mainly walks you through strategy. It also starts you off learning Chinese Standard, which is MUCH easier to play than Japanese standard.

I'd stay away from the 3rd edition as it's filled with a lot of fluff that's not very informative about the game or potential strategy. You can check your local lending libraries as alongside the US coasts most libraries will have it or similar books in the Games/Card Games section of the libraries.

>>6550098
...There was general whose name sounded like Saki or was spelled that way. DANG IT now I'm going to have to look it up

>> No.6550444

>>6550353
>7 pairs is an incredibly hard hand to get, that's why it's worth so much

What the hell am I reading?

Chitoi isn't hard to get at all. And It's only worth 2 hans. It's a pretty classic yaku which can be really helpful in many kinds of situations. And it's an exceptionnally good defensive yaku.

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Also I'd recommend this book.

>> No.6550624

>>6550444
My apologies if I have offended you but:

1. I didn't know the level of play of the anon asking the question so I assumed beginner, since he was also asking for a guide, and for beginners getting and maintaining a hand full of pairs is rather difficult and it would be best if they stuck to cheaper hands in the beginning till they got better at managing tiles.

2. I tend towards overstating difficulty when it comes to beginners as they need to get more comfortable with the basic aspects of the game before they can fully utilize some of the more advanced strategies. Generally it allows them less success than going for specific hands but it allows them going for specific hands but it also ensure they know why they lost, which I find is more conductive towards learning.

3. This last one is completely petty but, looking at what you wrote, for someone who is new to the game, it's complete gibberish and I assumed that the anon wasn't at the level where that made sense.

Again I would like to say that I apologize for offending you but I believe I had a decent reason for doing what I did.

>> No.6550642

>>6550624
>less success than going for specific hands but it allows them going for specific hands

> but it allows them going for specific hands
In your mind, Delete that crap

Man I need to stop writing so much, the words in my brain are slurring.

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>>6550122
You want more?
Is this good too?

>> No.6550890

>>6550624
You haven't offended me, I was just a bit suprised to read something inaccurate like that in a Mahjong thread on /jp/.

>stuck to cheaper hands in the beginning
Again with that? Jesus, chitoi is cheap as hell. If we forget about open hands, which are definitely not recommended for beginners, there aren't many closed hand which would be worth less than a simple chitoi without riichi or dora.

>more advanced strategies
Advanced strategies would be reading suji, discarding improbable waits, completing a quick 1 han hand, or using betaori when your opponent is about to complete his hand. Learning the yaku and knowing which are common and which are not so common isn't part of strategy, but something you learn through practice. And your advice of "not going for chitoi if you haven't at least half of the tiles at the start of the hand" was completely random and inaccurate. I have completed more than a chitoi with a hand which started with a couple pairs.

>it's complete gibberish
Yep, indeed, but it wasn't directed at him, it was directed at you, who was giving him questionable advice. I assumed you knew some basic terminology such as chitoi, han or yaku.

>> No.6551441

>>6550890
>And your advice of "not going for chitoi if you haven't at least half of the tiles at the start of the hand" was completely random and inaccurate. I have completed more than a chitoi with a hand which started with a couple pairs.
Yes, but you weren't aiming specifically for it from the start, though it is worth keeping in mind that your hand can go in that way.

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>>6551441
>you weren't aiming specifically for it from the start

Wrong. For example, if you feel that your opponent is going for a quick hand (e.g. he calls a yakuhai during the first 2 go-arounds), and you already have a couple pairs and a bad hand overall (useless winds, terminals, shuntsu), you can decide to play it safe and go for chitoi. You'll be discarding tiles already discarded by someone else, and thus avoid dealing into one of his hypothetical pairs. With luck, you can complete chitoi faster than he will complete his hand. And if you aren't lucky, you can at least avoid dealing into his hand because of the advantage that the pairs give you (more information than a single tile, and if you have a safe pair it gives you two turns to draw more safe tiles). That's why chitoi is a really good defensive hand.

>> No.6551976

I only know Hong Kong-style mahjong, and that only imperfectly.

I don't understand what's going on in most of Legend of Koizumi.

>> No.6553201

>>6551976
>I don't understand what's going on in most of Legend of Koizumi.

Mudazumo is yakuman spam, it's completely unfaithful to the game in every respect, but that's why its awesome. Saki is middle ground, while Akagi is as close to as real as you can get.

>> No.6553277

http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447

I'm waiting.

>> No.6553310

>>6553201
There's also legendary gambler tetsuya, which seemed pretty realistic. It also teaches you how to cheat.

>> No.6553376

>>6553310
Fuck, they animated that? I've been casuallyu following it in Afternoon for awhile now

>> No.6553420

>>6551976
It's like Yu-Gi-Oh where they draw exactly what they want at an awesome moment. In poker terms, Koizumi draws a royal flush at will. RAIZING SUN indeed.

>> No.6553449

Hello, I'm an inexperienced player who has been using this one site. Can I get the opinion of an experienced player on it?

http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html

It has a near-flawless presentation, but the AI is frustrating to play against.

>> No.6553455

Started a club at my uni, We meet every week, everyone is getting much better, yesterday was the first time I didn't beat everyone massively, it was a tie for first when one guy got a haneman in the south 4th, I felt happy.

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>>6553449
take put the _e in the url. it helps.

It is a decent website, I use it sometimes. Mostly just use tenhou though...

>> No.6553501

>>6553449

Good, incosistent AI. That's what you want, but on the whole it plays better than the real players.

>> No.6553509

Pretty much. I could never get the hang of it. I would have really liked to, but the online instruction was confusing.

;_;

>> No.6553524

>>6553449
is it frustrating because they win with cheap hands? they win too much?

Welcome to life. Mahjong is a game about not dealing into hands. if you manage to not lose, soon your luck will give you a great chance, that is when you fight for your points,if you fight every round the only thing you will win will be broken soul.

>> No.6553525

>>6549215
How did that bitch get 18000 points on an open hand?

>> No.6553541

>>6553525
A dealer haneman is 18000 points
A haneman is 12000
A haneman is 6-8 han
From what I can see I am guessing it is the east round and she is east 2han
Also maybe the ton is the dora + 4

Thats 6 right there. 18000 points.

>> No.6553544

>>6553525
Dealer and Doras. Always bet on them.

>> No.6553566

Just as there are many ways to play with playing cards, so too are there multiple ways to play with mahjong tiles. MahJong solitaire tile-matching games are equivalent to the classic playing-card game Klondike (often referred to as simply "solitaire" or "patience"). But mahjong is a four-player game whose gameplay is not dissimilar from the playing-card game Rummy. In fact, mahjong and rummy seem to have come into existence about the same time (mid-nineteenth century), and the one probably inspired the other.

* Chinese (of which the four major 13-tile variants are Chinese Classical (CC) , Hong Kong Old Style (HKOS) , Mahjong Competition Rules AKA Chinese Official (MCR, CO) , and Zung Jung AKA World Series of Mahjong (ZJ, WSOM),
* Taiwanese (uses 16 tiles in the hand instead of 13),
* Japanese (Modern Riichi/Dora),
* American (using the yearly card of the NMJL),
* Western/British (including Wright-Patterson, Indian/Mumbai, and common or "vanilla" Western),
* Filipino (uses 16 tiles in the hand instead of 13; winds and dragons are treated as flowers),
* Vietnamese (using either 160 or 176 tiles),
* Malaysian (the 3-player variant may be more popular than the 4-player)...

>> No.6553569

>>6553541

Double east, 3 dora, 1 red dora. The dora indicators are pictured.

>> No.6553589

>>6553569
Oh, so those were indicators, I couldn't tell, doesn't matter, same thing same thing!

>> No.6553608

>>6553524
I haven't played enough mahjong to be good at it.
But that doesn't account for entire rounds of awful starting hands accompanied by awful draws. Nor the computer (the same side, even) getting multiple tsumos in a row. And I've never seen a yakuman/rare hand on that site.

>>6553541
>>6553569
Thank you. I forgot about the dealer part. And I've never played with red doras, just don't think about them.

>> No.6553626

>>6553608

It's possible that the flash file rigs everyone's draws. Alternatively, it's possible that rare hands don't show up often. Wait, what does rare mean again

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>>6553608
red doras are ok, I like playing with them, they make it more fun sometimes. the red 5 pin on the bottom right.

I got a kokushi on that site once, so they do happen.

>> No.6553699

>>6553626
I mean rare as in hands that don't show up often, like having your starting hand be complete from the get go, 3 kans, 3 wind/dragon triplets, etc.

>>6553631

>> No.6553711

You also have to remember most of the time people don't aim for yakumans, so they don't get them often. They just kind of happen. If you try for them all the time, sure you might get one, but you will lose 1000/1001 games because of it.

>> No.6554079

>>6553608
>I haven't played enough mahjong to be good at it.

It only takes maybe a month or two of play to get the effenciency down, then it becomes a matter of you deciding when to go on offense or stay on defense.

But being able to read your opponents is a life skill, and most mahjong players, even the pros, are not good at it. At worst, most pros know when to take advantage of Flow and when they've pushed their luck.

>> No.6554090

Nobody on /jp/ actually likes mahjong. They just choke it down because it's Japanese.

>> No.6554096

>>6554090
>Mahjong
>Japanese
Oh lawdy....

>> No.6554105

>>6554090
I'm sure more people would like Mahjong if KoG didn't spam the shit out of them a few months back.

>> No.6555533

bump

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