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6545295 No.6545295 [Reply] [Original]

The JLPT is this Sunday! Anyone else taking it?

>> No.6545305

Nein.

>> No.6545310

No, I intend to 休む instead.

>> No.6545311

A few anons, including me. We had a thread on it a few weeks ago. Anyone else gonna be taking it in Chicago?

>> No.6545324

/r/ some TAS-san no Yasumi videos.

>> No.6545327

>>6545310
well played.

how much is it to take the JLPT? I checked out some questions online, I think I can do level 3 if I study for a couple months..

>> No.6545328

This is relevant to my interests.
Someone please elaborate.

>> No.6545340

>>6545327
For Britfags, £70, and it's only held in SOAS in London (nice racket they've got going on).
>>6545328
It's worth shooting for level N2 or N1 if you plan to work or study in Japan at some point. A lot of Japanese schools and companies use it as a way of screening people sight-unseen. Also it's good bragging rights. Apart from that, don't bother.

>> No.6545354

>>6545340
Was just gonna ask if it really had practical use. Aside from credentials, do you think it really does prepare you for working at a Japanese company?

>> No.6545359

Aiming for level 2 next year.

Good luck to everyone - especially those in Düsseldorf!

>> No.6545363

>>6545354
It measures the level you're at with the language? In itself, it doesn't prepare you for anything. It just tells you, and other people, that you are already prepared.

>> No.6545365

I am confused at how anyone would learn with 'immersion' techniques considering everyone says not to 'actively' study. Coming across a word that I dont know and seeing it later is usually days apart. Theres so many of them it would be unlikely to learn this way...

>> No.6545382

Ｉ ｃａｎ　ａｌｒｅａｄｙ　ｔｙｐｅ　ｉｎ　ｆｕｌｌ　ｗｉｄｔｈ　ｒｏｍ
ａｊｉ．　Ｉ’ｍ　ｐｒｅｔｔｙ　ｓｕｒｅ　ｔｈｉｓ　ｍａｋｅｓ　ｍ
ｅ　ａｌｒｅａｄｙ　Ｊａｐａｎｅｓｅ，　ｓｏ　Ｉ　ｄｏｎ’ｔ　ｎｅ
ｅｄ　ｔｏ　ｔａｋｅ　ａｎｙ　ｔｅｓｔｓ．　

>> No.6545391

男冥利

>> No.6545396

>>6545363
ah i see, i was thinking maybe it focuses on certain aspects of the language that would be more useful in an office/whatever setting.

sounds cool though, I'll probably look into it, although it's a bit pricy..

>> No.6545398

>>6545365
If you spend enough time on it, you'll remember them. Besides, most scenes will repeat words, since they're still talking about the same thing, and most games have a certain group of words that are central to the plot and come up over and over and over.

>> No.6545404
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>>6545391
女冥利

a joy indeed

>> No.6545407

>>6545363
>>6545354
It's a bit like the SAT, more like. It measures how good you are at taking the JLPT. It measures reading and listening skills, but it doesn't measure your speaking or writing skills, which are the ones you'd really need to survive and work in Japan. Nevertheless, the fact that you studied and took the JLPT is evidence of your strong interest and determination, etc etc, making you a good bet. Or so the companies argue. Plus if you're aiming to be a translator, it's those reading skills you need anyway.

>>6545365
Who said all that? I don't get what you're talking about.

>> No.6545412

I was preparing myself for the level 5 test, but I'll won't be able to take it this year due to circumstances, so I'll prepare myself to take the level 4 or 3 next year.

>> No.6545415

apart from tae kim and knowing about 2000 kanji from heisig, how else can you "study" apart from reading?

>> No.6545422

>>6545415
*cough* You can look for past questions and test yourself on them. I trust I don't have to tell you where to try looking.

>> No.6545424

>>6545415
im using the core and ko2001 decks for SRS, but its taking forever to get through them. roughly a year studying now and i still feel like i dont know shit. can enjoy reading simple stuff like ひだまりスケッチ with dictionary for a few words per page, but cant speak or understand anything but simple well formed dialogue

>> No.6545425

>>6545412
The levels under N2 and N1 are useless for anything except self-satisfaction. Not that self-satisfaction is a bad thing, of course.

>> No.6545429

>>6545422
>>6545424
Well I'm not that far into Japanese yet, just though of asking in advance.

>> No.6545432

>>6545415
this is gonna sound stupid, but i learnt a hell of a lot more from overhearing people's conversations and reading signs on the train than I did from books.
well book learning helps, but without applying the stuff you learn by hearing and talking to people it's pretty hard to improve.
also reading manga.

>> No.6545434

>>6545425
So, taking level 1 equals taking all the previous test too right?

>> No.6545435

>>6545415
In general, reading is as fast as it gets.

Only way I can imagine improving any faster is to read while nagging someone better than you every time you see something you don't get.

Although if you wanna study for the JLPT itself, then at high levels it's probably worth focusing more on kanji readings than you might normally do.

>> No.6545436

>>6545415
Have you read some of the suggestions on AJATT?

>> No.6545442

>>6545432
>>6545435
Alright, thanks for the suggestions.

>>6545436
I read it a bit but I didn't like its approach..

>> No.6545443

>>6545434
Exactly. Even if you take 5, 4, 3, 2 in a row, you will always be inferior to someone who took and passed just 1.

>> No.6545448

>>6545434
If you can pass N1 but somehow can't pass the other 4, then you divided something by zero.
tl;dr yes

>>6545432
I can only learn more through reading because if the thing I don't know isn't sitting there in text to be analyzed, then it just whizzes by without a chance for me to figure out what it is.
But everyone's different.

>> No.6545449

>>6545425
I know, but I like the sense of acomplishment.

>> No.6545450

>>6545435
You could do this. OR you could read shit online with Rikaichan so you don't have to bug people. Ever since I started listening/talking on live broadcasts on Nico I know all of my japanese has improved, speaking listening and reading.

>> No.6545459

I was going to take level 2 this year, but figured it would be a waste of time since I plan to take level 1 next year anyway.

>> No.6545466

>>6545442
The main thing you should take away from AJATT is that doing anything in Japanese counts as learning. So watch your raw anime, play your raw games, read your raw manga, listen to your raw music. Don't worry too much about "learning" from it, just have fun with it and you'll learn, slowly but surely.

>> No.6545472

>>6545459
Totally. That's why I haven't taken any of the JLPT exams so far and am shooting for N1 this weekend.

>> No.6545475

>>6545450
You shouldn't post that.

>> No.6545500

>>6545450
I think by "bugging people when you don't get something" he probably didn't mean for stuff that can be solved just by using rikai chan.

for example, you may know 勉強 but not understand 勉強になる　or not know how the hell it is best to pronounce 瞬く

>> No.6545506

I knew it was in December and thought I'd take N5 for the hell of it, but I didn't know it was on the first week of the month, and I have finals. In fact, I'm always going to have finals around this time...
I do want to work my way up to N1 though.

>> No.6545509

>>6545475
Problem?

>> No.6545525

>>6545506
Some people are highly motivated by tests and for them the JLPT can act as a growth marker and a goal to keep them focused. If you're one of those people, go for it.

>> No.6545533

>>6545500
Isn't またたく always correct?

>> No.6545545

>>6545533
The more you know
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/thsrs/1017/m0u/%E7%9E%AC%E3%81%8F/

>> No.6545552

>>6545533
またたく is normal, but rikai chan lists またたく、めばたく、しばたく and like 3 others, which are occasionally used and have the same meaning, but are usually kana-only.

>> No.6545572

金魚って「金魚」って言うのに金色じゃないじゃないですか？あれは変です
よね？

>> No.6545576

>>6545552
I actually know that kanji as 'mabataku'.

>> No.6545580

>>6545572
sou nan desk karr?

also, the correct answer is "that's the same in english"

>> No.6545602

>>6545580
短期間に外国語を習う方法はないのか？

>> No.6545611

>>6545602
そんな大変なことやめたほうがいい。

>> No.6545635

>>6545611
草のヤツ。機密を打ち明けてくれたまえ！

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6545637

forgot my pic

>> No.6545655

>>6545602
あったら英会話産業はそんなに儲からないでしょう。

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>>6545572
found it.

>> No.6545663

How much writing does the average JLPT have?
I'd possibly be interested in taking one, but as it is now, writing a lot of kanji rapes my forearm more than when I was learning to write cursive in primary school.

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6545673

>>6545660
wait a god damn second

>> No.6545686

>>6545673
looks like kobako and ume-sensei are gonna have to have to talk.
what volume is that from? I guess she one ups it with the "blue light" one.

>> No.6545714

>>6545686
first volume.

i had bought 十二国記 to learn with. what a downer when you realize you cant read for shit. had to settle for hidamari and yotsuba.

>> No.6545725

>>6545663
No writing or speaking at all. That's why we said it's not a truly accurate measure of Japanese ability.

>> No.6545761

So I've been wondering about studying. I've read Tae Kim and Ixrec's guides. So should I just go on to reading untranslated manga/vns and put unknown kanji into anki? Or would something like kanjidamage be a better way to learn them?

>> No.6545812

>>6545761
thats what they say. ive been adding sentences/words i dont know into an srs and its becoming almost impossible to keep up with just the reviews, let alone adding new stuff.

everyone says to add stuff into srs, and then on the other hand says that srs review should be minimal - like an hour or two per day. the majority of time being japanese content. however, with 8000 cards, adding 20 new sentences a day makes it take more like 3 hours for srs alone

>> No.6545865

>>6545812
Awwww :(

>> No.6545869

>>6545761
I recommend a combo of both VN sentences and kanjidamage. kanjidamage has some useful info, but it needs context to really be understood.

>> No.6545884

>>6545812
I use Surusu, which has a capping feature, so I can just cap the reps and move on to the next deck when I'm tired. That keeps me from getting frustrated and quitting. Also many days I just do reps, I don't add anything.

>> No.6545898

This reminds me, I haven't used my Anki deck in about a month. I'm sort of afraid to start it up and see how many card await me.

>> No.6545905

>>6545898
If Anki doesn't have a cap, cap yourself at a certain number of sentences a day. You'll make a dent in them eventually.

Btw, I don't recommend using other people's sentences. Sentences you found yourself are far better for learning.

>> No.6545921

>>6545905
problem is they wouldnt have audio - easily.
audio is a huuuge helper for me

i fail cards without audio at least 3 times as much

>> No.6545942

>>6545921
Where are you finding these audio sentences?

>> No.6545944

>>6545942
the core and ko2001 series

>> No.6545965

I've got a list of the 2350~ kanji I've encountered in the last 1.5 years, and I've been going through the dictionary memorising all the common words starting with those kanji, completely out of context, just out of OCDness.

However, now I'm down to the most common 320 kanji, the going is getting really slow. Like 100+ common words for some kanji, so I probably have about 5000 words left to learn.


一円王音下有火花学気休金空月見口山四子車手十出女小上人水正生青石赤先
千早草足大中町天土二日入年白八文本反発名木目再立力引遠黄何夏解家科
歌最画会回海絵外角楽活間記京強教近元原言古戸軍後語交光公工広表行高
合国黒今細作不別算姉市思止無紙時自両連室社首冷農週配春書少場色物平食
心新親図数星声部西切雪線船前組共走多太体台成過谷知地落結池初動昼朝
長鳥直通弟店点電刀東当答頭同道読内放南肉改馬戦買売半風分聞米歩流母
方北極妹毎明信夜野友用来現理里話悪安意医育員院運横温化界予開選階寒感
漢館競岸期起客宮急球究級去橋局銀区苦軽決研根皿仕使総機指死変建歯事
持次式実特主取受拾終集住重宿所助勝商消乗植深申真神身進世整全想相送
息速他打対待代題炭経短着注調追定鉄転登投

My vocab's in the 13-15k range, but I still come across lots of words I'm not familiar with. That's my reason for going through the dictionary like this. (Having done similar vocabulary cramming questions in the past it's definitely helped my comprehension).

>> No.6545995

>>6545295
>this thread

I'm only just starting to get serious with learning the language, so it's great seeing how you guys go about it

>> No.6546006

>>6545965
how do you usually study? through flashcards?

>> No.6546026

>>6546006
Yeah, at my peak I was learning 500 new vocabulary a day (only lasted 3 days), this was taking hours though, so I cut down to 250. (actually, right now I'm not doing any at all, too busy with university).

If you have a few hours free a day and devote complete devotion to the mind numbing task it is possible to cram a couple thousand words per week. After that you have to give it a few months for the words to sink in though.

>> No.6546035

Can my /jp/ bros tell me if japanesepod101 is a good source for learning japanese?

Don't know hirigana or katakana, so I don't exactly know the best way to start.

>> No.6546036

>>6546026
How do you remember things? There's no way I would be able to actually learn 500 words in a day, I can barely remember what I had for breakfast.

>> No.6546044

>>6546035
>Don't know hirigana or katakana, so I don't exactly know the best way to start.

I'd say first learn the characters, memorise them, and practice recognising them

>> No.6546047

So, guys, it is nice that you are able to cram so many words per day, but... isn't it better to learn from context rather than just learning words?

>> No.6546050

>>6546036
actually writing the kanji several times helps me memorize it sometimes.

>> No.6546053

>>6545295
What program/website is this?

>> No.6546056

>>6546047
when you learn the words, you can actually learn the context. Trust me, all the FOB chinese kids in my last highschool just steamrolled my japanese class because they knew a shitload of kanji

>> No.6546070

>>6546056
I'm not getting you.

>> No.6546071

>>6545965
Wow, crazy. I guess OCD has its uses after all. I could never stick with a method like that.

>> No.6546074

>>6546056
They didn't just know the kanji, they knew those words in context, because a lot of them mean the same thing in Chinese. There's a difference.

>> No.6546075

>>6546070
since the meanings are generally the same they'll be able to read very quickly compared to people starting from scratch

>> No.6546076

>>6546070
learn the vocabulary. congratulations, you are now able to piece together the context of a sentence.

>> No.6546077

>>6546036
I don't really know. I just set the daily limit for new cards to 250 (or 500), if I can't remember the reading and rough meaning, I click soon. If I can, I click hard, normal or easy.

Most of the time the reading and meaning is obvious from the kanji, so there's not a whole lot of memorisation required.

>> No.6546080

>>6546036
Go at your own pace, and use an SRS program to quiz you regularly. If I've learned anything from studying Japanese, it's that everyone learns at their own pace in their own way. Comparing yourself to anyone else is a sure recipe for despair.

>> No.6546106

>>6546044
Alright, I'll try that out.

>> No.6546107

i want to go to a Japanese language school in japan just to live there for a while on the premise that you can stay longer with a student visa and learning japanese would be interesting too

got to find the cheapest school that isnt a dump though

>> No.6546157

>>6546076
I have to say this works very, very well for Chinese. For Japanese a lot of stuff is dependent on the other text elements, especially in hiragana. Merely knowing 帰る wont help you decipher 帰れば、帰りゃ、帰ったら、帰られるわけにはいかない、etc, etc. The Chinese people have an advantage if knowing 帰 from the start, but they still need to learn everything else.

>> No.6546162

>>6546107
I studied at Nanzan University for a semester. It's a great program. Not that cheap, though.

>> No.6546189

>>6546157

Grammar is a cakewalk compared to kanji, though.

>> No.6546230

>>6546189
Your mileage may vary on that.

>> No.6546254

>>6545611

その返事は全然辻褄が合わないよ。

Also, taking the N1 on Sunday. Gonna pass no problem, and I didn't even study.

>> No.6546255

>>6546230
How many other languages have words that do nothing but say "THIS IS A DIRECT OBJECT?"

>> No.6546268

>>6546254
i didnt think it made much sense either. makes me feel better knowing i just didnt understand.

how long have you been studying? i probably need a second year before i can think of taking on n1

>> No.6546284

>>6546268

Study? I dunno. A year or so. However long it took to be able to read decently. Then I read a shit ton.

>> No.6546298

>>6546255

A few. Korean to name one right now.

>> No.6546304

I'm taking N2, it seemed like the right level for what I know. I just need something official on paper showing that I am actually somewhat proficient in Japanese.

>> No.6546313

>>6546254
Taking N1 too. I'm cool about everything except listening, 'cos I haven't studied a bit of that. I should be okay if the audio quality is clear though. Hopefully.

>> No.6546317

>>6546284
you fucker. well, grats on that.
vocab will come eventually for me. its the god damn grammar in hiragana pieces that fucks my brain. theres too much going on in some shit i cant believe people can unwind it to make sense of it.

you know, the sentences with all the below in it at once : 行った 言ってた　行ってた じゃない　ない　

>> No.6546323

>>6546254
Reading/listening comprehension is everything right?

>> No.6546339

Let's have another thread on Sunday, God willing.

>> No.6546361

>>6546323

Yep. And since I read Japanese all the time and listen to it all day at work, I should be set.

(And no, I don't live in Japan)

>> No.6546363

>>6545905
Yeah, but what if you're not entirely sure of the sentence's meaning to begin with? That's what I'm always concerned about when it comes to adding my own sentences to an SRS.

>> No.6546379

>>6546363

You'll figure it out.

Also, while the SRS is a good tool, it's not 100% necessary. I just read a whole lot of books and my Japanese is great. I use an SRS as well, but very rarely. My biggest deck is probably about 800 sentences.

Also, when I say sentences, I mean the word I want to know and something else. Maybe a verb, or if it is a verb something to show how it is used with a particle. Real simple. I never use complex sentences. It takes away from the specific word learning. When I want complex sentences, I read.

>> No.6546380

>>6546323
Pretty much. They just word the questions in tricky ways and try to trick you on homophones and stuff.

>> No.6546398

>>6546379
so you are saying you gain and retain vocab and grammar knowledge simply from repeating the process of looking up a word or grammar point you had forgot until it sticks? i can see how that might work if you already knew the kanji and readings, but there are so many similar looking ones and different readings it seems like a nightmare

>> No.6546419

>>6546398
Hence the SRS. Takes the work out of the repeating till it sticks process.

>> No.6546421

>>6546398
You don't need to know kanji or readings to read things in Japanese. Tons of shounen manga have furigana, our you could even read through a VN with AGTH and Atlas. Although you should probably read something with a translation already available to start off with.

>> No.6546435

>>6546398

The most I ever have to really look something up is twice. Maybe three times once and a while if I really wasn't paying attention the first two.

Listen. People learned languages for a long time without the SRS... and still do. Don't look at it as the end all of language learning. Reading is the end all of language learning. Read a LOT (like at least 2 books a week... I do 3-4), and you'll be excellent in no time at all.

Language learning is all about exposure. The SRS exposes you to specific things multiple times... it's like exposure cramming almost. Reading does the same thing, but it gives exposure to all things.

Reading a lot > SRS. Reading a lot + SRS is godly, but don't waste a lot of time on the SRS

>> No.6546447

>>6546398

To further address:

Reading will teach you grammar naturally. You don't ever need to study grammar.

Also, if you haven't yet do Heisig's Remembering the Kanji book. Just the first one. That alone will help you remember them so well that when you come across one you don't know the reading to, and look it up, it will stick immediately because of how familiar you are with it from Heisig

(Plus the nice side effect that I can write more kanji from memory than my Japanese boss can)

>> No.6546461

>>6546435
>>People learned languages for a long time without the SRS... and still do.
True. People stored food without fridges for a long time...and still do. That doesn't mean modern technology doesn't make things easier.
>>Reading a lot > SRS. Reading a lot + SRS is godly, but don't waste a lot of time on the SRS
This is true. Don't let the SRS consume your time, or it will rapidly suck the joy out of everything. Do like >>6545466 says and have fun, but don't ignore the advantages of an SRS either.

>> No.6546473

>>6546447

>You don't ever need to study grammar.

I don't agree with this angle. A lot of Japanese grammar will seem somewhat arbitrary to the average beginner, and there's a lot that I struggle to see could be picked up intuitively. Maybe I'm just stupid.

>> No.6546481

>>6546447
are you guys majoring in japanese or asian languages or something? I dont really wanna go that deep into learning, just a side quest of some sort.

>> No.6546484

>>6546473

My point isn't to say that you should rigidly (or religiously...) study grammar -- that's boring and pointless, my advice would be to read over every major Japanese grammatical point and make sure you're familiar with them. Not necessarily comfortable, just familiar. Then you can get on with trying to "pick it up" through reading and such; with a firm grammatical foundation in your mind. Completely from scratch is a little unfeasible.

>> No.6546489

>>6546481

No. I took a few Japanese classes in first year but completely self-taught otherwise.

>> No.6546513

You'll pick up a lot of grammar just reading, but if you can find a few simple textbooks to read over, it makes things easier because someone's already done the work for you.

>> No.6548640

Ijustwokeupbump

>> No.6550095

How's it going, /jp/? Have we gotten a little more studying done?

>> No.6550312

I'll be taking Level 3 in Atlanta
my main problem will probably kanji and vocab
Also the big reading comprehension questions with like a page of information
Kinda wish I started studying sooner.

>> No.6550325

Too broke to take it. besides, I wouldn't have much of a use for a JLPT rank other than e-penis enlargement as I am effectively unemployable.

>> No.6550373

Lets say you're reading something (a manga with furigana for instance) and you recognize what most of the words mean, however you don't know the kanji. Would it be better to read through the entire chapter and then go back later to write down the kanji you don't know or mark them down as you go along? I say this because I'm reading Yostuba right now and understand pretty much everything that is being said, however I don't know quite a bit of the kanji and it seems I'm spending more time entering them into anki than I am actually reading.

>> No.6550384

>>6550373
it's the same thing. There aren't any "tricks" to it, in the beginning you have to grind kanji like mad. And you won't stop any soon.

>> No.6550633

>>6550373
Have a piece of paper by your side, scribble the kanji down, then stop at the end of every chapter and look them up. If you stop in the middle of the chapter, it breaks the flow. If you wait till the end of the book the same kanji might show up over and over again and bug you.

>> No.6550976

>>6550633
>>6550384
I guess that makes sense. It's not that I'm not enjoying it, but it sure is slow going at first.

>> No.6551690

>>6550976
ive been able to enjoy shit more after hammering away at vocab for months. not to say its the best method, just that the beginning probably sucks no matter what you do

i still cant enjoy the novels i want to read yet

>> No.6551923

Just took an old practice test and did pretty well. I'm confident in the kanji/vocabulary part, and all I can do is read to prepare for the listening. But where can I find old listening questions to help me prepare? That's the only thing I'm worried about right now.

>> No.6551984

Is the smart.fm site any good for this?

I've been using it for 3 weeks, but it's going too slow to be called progress...

>> No.6551999

このスレはまた残ってるな。びっくり。

>> No.6552004

>>6551690

It's this kind of thinking that makes people quit. Yes you can enjoy your novels right now. Use them to practice.

>> No.6552017

>>6551984
Oh. I didn't know that site.
I often listen to radio from http://www.i-radio.fm/
The women in particular speak very clearly.

>> No.6552031

>>6551923
I don't know about old tests, but there are some practise listening questions here: http://jlpt.jp/samples/forlearners.html

Taking N2 at SOAS on Sunday, gonna fail pretty horribly.

>> No.6552037

>>6552031
I'm taking it at SOAS too. Gotta leave extra early to allow for delays with all this bloody snow.

>> No.6552043

>>6552004
cant enjoy shit when every other word is something I dont know. let me show you.

⧡small ⧡ ⧡ faggot⧡ ⧡ ⧡sat⧡ ⧡ floor⧡ ⧡ ⧡ penis

>> No.6552067

>>6552031
Thanks a lot! That's much better than nothing.

>> No.6552154

Doing the samples now. I've only made one mistake out of 10 so far.

>> No.6552229

>>6552031

Huh, didn't know those existed. Got all 20 right on the N1 questions but... なんか面倒くせー！

This test will be more annoying than hard

>> No.6552256

>>6552043

That just means you don't enjoy learning more of the language.

>> No.6552268

>>6552256
i enjoy learning the language but not being anally assaulted by unknown words. i bet you enjoy playing mmos for the grind

>> No.6552284

>>6552229
I know, right? I took my time with everything except that bloody "Ari the Indonesian student" question. If I get something like that on the Day Of, I'll just guess at random, finish the rest of the questions and come back later and complete it.

The listening was EASY though. They spoke sooo slowly. I worried for nothing. Well, at least I hope the questions on the day will be that slow.

>> No.6552303

>>6552268

I don't play MMOs, but I read challenging materials that I have to look up words often in to expand my vocabulary.

>> No.6552308

>>6552303
>>6552268
Don't fight, boys. Everyone learns at a different rate. As long as you're each making progress every day, don't worry about what the others are doing.

>> No.6552345

>>6552229
...But there are only 18 questions...

>> No.6552349
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>> No.6552461

>>6552345

You're right, my bad. I guess my brain rounded up when I was typing.

>> No.6552478

Taking mine at UNSW Kensington campus in Sydney. My body is ready

>> No.6552775

Anyone else find the night the worst moment to study?
I'm not sleepy, but it feels like my brain is literally closed right now.
Every kanji I learn, I forget it in one minute. It's not like this during the day.

>> No.6552789

>>6552775
Night is always best for me. I've usually had a shower and have eaten, so I'm nice and relaxed. It's so quiet and peaceful at night, I can really get into the mood and most of the time I end up studying for hours and I don't even realize it.

>> No.6552795

>>6552789
It's 4:19 am and guess what I'm doing?

>> No.6553439

Do you guys write down the kanji while learning or just trying to memorize on sight?

>> No.6553596

>>6553439
I don't, personally, but I'm nowhere near fluent. Whatever kanji I pick up while reading things is a bonus, but I study kanji primarily with a Kanji Damage Anki deck.

Some people will tell you not to study kanji at all (pretty sure Tae Kim advocates this approach), which I guess is possible, but I prefer to just get that shit out of the way.

>> No.6553617

>>6553439
Sometimes. When I'm actually doing something that could be called "studying", yes.
I'll try to memorize them and write them afterward.
Not when I am learning Japanese my usual way (reading lots and lots of manga), though

>> No.6553717

>>6553596
Tae Kim throws you into the kanas in the very first lesson, and right after that he uses like 10-20 new kanji in every following lesson.

>>6553439
I usually write down every new kanji like 2-3 times, together with onyomi, kunyomi and useful seeming jukugo. Mainly so I got a list on my block, though.
After that I usually try to write them 2-3 more times from memory a few hours later.
Does it help? Hell if I knew. I guess I can write at least 50% of the ones I know so far from memory, which isn't much seeing as I barely know over 400 now, but it'd probably be worse without the writing. I think.

>> No.6553757

>>6553617
>>6553717
>>6553596
Thanks for the input. I think I'll stick with writing them at least a few times, it seems to be working for me so far, although it slows me down a good bit. Also do you mind posting that kanjidamage deck? I saw it mentioned on the forums but the download link was removed.

>> No.6553799

>>6553757
There are two up for download that you can grab straight from Anki (File -> Download -> Shared Deck, then search for damage).

I'm using the one named "Kanji Damage". The one that was linked on the forum (I think) is called "Kanjidamage" and the uploader is "umishock@gmail.com".

>> No.6554736

Gotta search for my passport pictures, and buy glue and buy a watch today. None of those were in my plans.

>> No.6554771

That reminds me, I need to find an Anki cantonese deck.

>> No.6554813

>>6545310
Is it just me or has the kanji disappeared from this post?

>> No.6554895

>>6554813
Just you.

>> No.6555313

>>6554736
Done, done and done. Thank goodness for Argos.
And as if I wasn't weeaboo enough, I'll be having sushi for dinner tonight.

>> No.6555436

Was going to take n4 this year but decided to study more and take n3 next year.

>> No.6555706

>>6552478
You'll be writing like 9 hours ahead of me. Memorize the answers and come tell us.

>> No.6556288
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6556288

If you have a nintendo DS, you MUST get this. It's the best dictionary I've ever found.
You need the stroke order for the kanjis though, it shouldn't be a problem if you know the radicals.

>> No.6556693

>>6556288
Yeah, I have that on my R4. It really comes in handy when I'm translating stuff.

>> No.6556777

Since you're all here, what does "身動きが取れない" mean?

>> No.6558425

>>6556777
http://eow.alc.co.jp/%E8%BA%AB%E5%8B%95%E3%81%8D/UTF-8/

>* be bound hand and foot
>* be trapped

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