/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

is it true that Umineko goes downhill after episode 4?

[Anonymous No.]

Yes

[Anonymous No.]

Is goes downhill after EP3 actually. Meets the ground at EP6.

[Anonymous No.]

Is this even a question?
I thought the fucking show was good then I laughed and never watched another episode.
Every fucking retard that likes the show past 4 must also like Naruto fillers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6542106
what

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>>6542106
Are you talking about the anime?

[Anonymous No.]

At first you think it gets worse.
Then she shows up and everything goes better than expected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>Umineko
>>Show

What are you talking about nigga? VN is fine

[Anonymous No.]

Chiru is just as awesome, but in a completely different way.

[Anonymous No.]

Depend.
if you care about such thing as a good story and character development, yeah it gets pretty shitty.
If you only care about such things as trolls trolling trolls and crappy jokes, i guess it's still good.

[Anonymous No.]

Erika is olev. Don't care about plot and shit.

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>>6543006
>Don't care about plot and shit
Umineko fandom in a nutshell.
And that's why Ryuukishi is so mad.
Well his fault for writing such a crappy plot I guess.

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>>6543017
No anon, you are the mad

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>>6542089
Erika surpasses Beatrice in the troll stakes. As long as you don't care about the plot and just want to see Battler get humiliated over and over, then keep reading.

[Anonymous No.]

No, EP5 is absolutely splendid. EP7 is even better, it's a fucking masterpiece.

EP6 is shit though.

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>>6543044
How the fuck can you call anything Umineko a masterpiece I have no idea.
It's just trash entertainment good for a few laughs, people who look at it for more than that are fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

If you actually re-read EP1 you will notice exactly how different it actually is from the episodes (and the higher amount of quality).

Thing is, everything really does go downhill from EP1. EP1 was the only Ep with a coherent anything, a plot, plotlines, characters and a red line. It is also the only episode who does anything close to doing the mystery genre (it only lacks the resolving of the mystery, but the other Eps lacks that as well).

After EP1 however, he keeps introducing new things, and you still remember EP1. In short, these new, not quite bad, but different elements keeps your mind from realizing that the quality is slowly going downhill.

In the later episodes it is no longer just one mystery, it is no longer simply one plot, it is not just one, or even a few red lines, but it is instead a dozen of them.
But it keeps introducing new things so you don't notice the decline.
And in the end, if you still like it, it is no longer for any of the reasons for why you would have liked it in the earlier Eps.

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>>6542984

Woh, that's funny, that's completely backwards.

The story has gotten so much better in Chiru it's not funny, but the trolling and arguments and stuff have died down from what they once were.

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>>6543059
Mad?

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>>6543072
>The story has gotten so much better in Chiru it's not funny
Like?

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>>6543065
The funny thing is that you can switch ''Umineko'' with ''Touhou'' and this would still make sense

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>>6543065

Episode 1 is the worst Episode in the series.

And I have read the series more times than you have, I guarantee it. The pacing is retardedly bad, there's hardly any character development because it's literally all introducing every element of the story, and there's real conflict.

It's good the first time through, but that's it.

Episode 2 suffers from a very similar problem but with the magic aspect- interesting the first time through, not so much after.

3, 4, 5, and 7 are the only ones with good character development, plot, and situations that hold any amount of literary credence at all. 2 and 6 are 'popcorn' Episodes, with 6 being a bit more serious story and character development, so it's slightly better than 2, but not by much.

[Anonymous No.]

The only good thing in EP6 was Erika. The rest was shit.

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>>6543072
Episode 1 had the best story.
Before they layed stories and plots on top of it layer after layer.

In episode 1 you could actually follow the story, feel that shits is going on and think about what is happening and what is going to happen next etc etc.

After episode 1 they follow so many different angles that the suspense is broken all the time.
Later, even when the mood has been settled, and someone realize or finds something and something actually happens, the suspense is completely broken from them changing scenes, either over to the meta or to something entirly different on the other end of the island.
The same can be said about the meta as it often switches back to the island whenever the mood is settled.

Ryukishi isn't a fit writer to have as many ideas going at the same time as he have.
It takes a certain skill to follow so many plot lines at once, he doesn't seem to be that good at it.
Instead, whenever the suspense is broken he compensates it with introducing something new, and sure that is a technique but it doesn't really work in the long run.

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>>6543089
Except Touhou is a game with no other pretense.
It's not like you play it for the story or something.

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>>6543110
3 is the only episode with good character development and pacing.

[Anonymous No.]

Episodes 1 and 2 have issues.
Episode 3 and 4 are dynamic and incredible.
Episode 5 is wishy-washy.
Episode 6 takes a long time but ends the best.

I don't know why people hate EP6.
I totally agree with Erika about how the Villain is supposed to go out. No nobility! Die pitifully with an ugly look on your face!

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>>6543131
>4
>dynamic and incredible.
No, just no.

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>>6543139

You can't deny that more events occur in 3 and 4 than in the others.

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>>6543145
By "events" do you mean Ange moping around and feeling sorry for herself?

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>>6543145
3 has the best pacing and is the best episode, I agree.
But 4 isn't dynamic, it just has more events because it's longer.

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>>6543131
>I totally agree with Erika about how the Villain is supposed to go out. No nobility! Die pitifully with an ugly look on your face!

Say that to my face fucker not online and let's see what happens.

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>>6543163

There were only like two dragged out scenes of that.

>>6543165

The battles went on for quite a while.

Of course, I can understand some people not liking that series of scenes due to extreme silliness.

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>>6543172
The sad thing is that considering how EP8 is shaping up to end, she'll be the last good villain the series has. Bern can pretty much take or leave it whatever happens, and Lambda just wants to screw Bern.

Battler's remark of 'there are no villains' seems to suggest that everything is just going to fizzle out, or maybe he was saying that to spare Ange the fact that her mother likes to punch the fuck out of little girls faces.

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>>6543110
>3, 4, 5, and 7 are the only ones with good character development, plot, and situations that hold any amount of literary credence at all.
It is true that if you see the story as a continious story with a resolution that is to come then you are probably right.

But as a standalone work, I would still argue that Episode 1 holds its ground, relatively speaking compared to the others.
Real mystery novels actually don't have to go much on character development if they don't want to, mystery novels more so than often thrives on mystery development or plot development.
And about the plot itself, it is true that little to nothing is actually resolved in episode 1, and that could be seen a huge fatal flaw, but the actual adventure to the end of the mystery was executed better than in the later episodes, for the sake of suspense and the like.

So yeah, episode 1 certainly fails close to the worst of taking care of character development or resolutions.
But it was the only one that never broke the suspense by leaving the the main line throughout the story for something else.

I guess it depends on what you want.
If you actually wanted to know stuff and have characters evolve etc, and especially if you wanted to see it as a continious story, then episode 1 certainly falls on the short end of the stick.
But if all you wanted was a story introducing interesting mysteries it follows through until the end while having the characters of the story go through it, then it no longer have to stay on the ground.

[Anonymous No.]

>Episode 6 takes a long time but ends the best.
this
fucking sad erika's death

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>>6543145
>You can't deny that more events occur in 3 and 4 than in the others.
More events is actually not necessarily a good thing.
What is important are how the events flows together and how the transitions between them are handled.

Just pouring in more and more events without proper meassures is actually the premise of a horrible story.

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>>6543197

This. EP1 is the first in my list but always as a standalone work.

[Anonymous No.]

Hello /jp/ I would liek to inform you WHY you are all fans of otaku culture. Your INTEREST in Japanese culture stems from your inability to deal with reality; You have no dominance or great assertive abilities. Okatu culture gives you a firm guideline where you can either live life comforted by being told what to do because you are unable to decide for yourself or getting a sense of power from commanding your fellow otaku (which is an easy task, hence why it is done) because you desire that power lack the ability to take it.

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>>6543546
ohboyimgonnatrollthesefagssohard comic.jpg

Also, my ranking :
EP5 (thanks to Erika)
> EP1 (as a standalone)
> EP2 (for awesome Rosa)
> EP3
> EP4
> EP7 (Yasu, Yasu, Yasu, Yasu)
> EP6 (fucking boring with talking about love, love, love and love)

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>>6542089
No. 5 and 7 are fantastic, some of my favorite episodes in the series, and on the whole I think where Chiru takes the story and themes is awesome. 6 is pretty bad though. I got kind of discouraged with the series having 6 to chew on for 8 months, so maybe some other people did too.

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>>6543199
Bern finally acting as full-out, primary villain at the end of EP7 was about a hundred times more effective than Erika's stint. (Although that's helped by Will+Lion having better protagonist/antagonist chemistry with her than Battler and Beato ever did with either she or Erika.) It's not like Erika had any special stake in what happened, either, other than trying to keep Bern off her back.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>6543876

>watched

There's your problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6543876
problem?

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>>6543876
>watched
>Umineko Chiru
Welcome, guest from the future! Did DEEN do a better job with Chiru compared to the first series?

[Anonymous No.]

I still don't know what the fuck is going on in Umineko.

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>>6543065

>he thinks Umineko is a mystery

this is why you fags fail, you can't even grasp that Umineko isn't a mystery at all. Apparently R07 hitting the audience over the head with this information didn't do the least bit of good

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>>6544110
Arguments are:
Magic side: The only explanation for these events is witches using magic.
Logic side: No, it's just that Kinzo really was THAT FUCKED UP.

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[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to watch the Chiru anime because I am a sucker for punishment. Fucking DEEN. I know they're going to screw up all the good Dlanor bits and the end of EP5 trial scene, but I need to see them anyway.

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>>6543917
>>6544002
Reading is the same as watching text.

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>>6544270
And hearing is the same as listening, right?

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>>6544115
Umineko is a mystery, idiot.
It has a mystery to solve that is the center of the entire fucking story.

[Anonymous No.]

Episode 5 and 6 are my favorite by far.

Erika, Knox, DIE THE DEATH, Logic Error, moetrice, Game Master Battler, Gold Truth, Love Trials, etc.

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>>6544115

If it isn't a mystery, then why was Battler able to solve it AFTER applying the Knox Decalogue?

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>>6544289
because he's dumb ad the only thing Knox's rules say is just to trust the writer?

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>>6544289

same reason Erika got the wrong answer when applying the Knox Decalogue

hint: its not entirely mystery based

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>>6544115
Technically, if there is a mystery in the focus, and it's resolution, then it is a proper mystery, no matter how bad it may be compared to real mystery novels with real detictives and all that.

So no one is saying that Umineko is a good real mystery.
But the first episode was the closest thing to an actual mystery, and it at least did not try to do too many different things at once without knowing how to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Umineko actually finished? With a proper ending and all?

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>>6544326
Pre-orders are being taken and the game will be released this coming comiket.
/jp/ will probably collapse under the sheer volume of spoilers and general rage.

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>>6544326
The final chapter is coming out in a month at C79. I'll have to wait for the translation and I've completely stopped caring about spoilers at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

poor lazu trolls that dont realize that you have to solve Umineko...... Ryukishi said that the focus of the sreies was episodes 1-4

episodes 5-8 are for confirming answers....

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>>6544343
Woah hold the fucking phone there pal. So what you mean to tell me is that 1-4 are some sort of core or question arcs and 5-8 are answer arcs? Why hasn't anyone else thought of this.