Bullshit.

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Anonymous Tue May 20 00:00:36 2008 No.651282 [Reply] [Original]

Bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:01:21 2008 No.651288 File: 20 KB, 751x493, 1211241681668.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:01:34 2008 No.651291 File: 287 KB, 1024x768, 1211241694371.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ganondorf would never retreat.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:01:45 2008 No.651294 File: 25 KB, 808x535, 1211241705444.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bullshit

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:02:38 2008 No.651301 File: 35 KB, 801x568, 1211241758403.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:03:07 2008 No.651306 File: 94 KB, 455x600, 1211241787021.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nasu can write whatever he wants. Powerlevel debates are fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:03:15 2008 No.651310 File: 108 KB, 810x656, 1211241795998.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:03:41 2008 No.651318 >>651291 And his death would have been fucking badass manly awesome, charging into Ea, but Gil had to pull out Enkidu and make him die like a bitch.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:04:37 2008 No.651325 Servants are weak and slow.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:06:33 2008 No.651335 fsn is full of plotholes,contradictions and forced plot. Play some Ever 17. CLANNAD is fine too.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:07:37 2008 No.651343 >>651335 CLANNAD IS SHIT AND YOU ARE SHIT

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:07:58 2008 No.651339 >>651335 0/10.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:10:20 2008 No.651357 >>651291 Fuck, can't unsee.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:12:34 2008 No.651376 >>651291 No, but he will get stabbed through the chest.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:13:09 2008 No.651378 GANONDORF IS SHIROU FROM THE FUTURE

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:14:23 2008 No.651383 >>651343 Top selling VN and favorite's japan VN

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:15:33 2008 No.651395 >>651376 When has a fatal would ever mattered to Ganondorf?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:16:07 2008 No.651397 File: 98 KB, 800x600, 1211242567429.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bullshit

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:16:37 2008 No.651403 >>651397 Ok NOW it's bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:17:15 2008 No.651406 >>651395 Whenever Link whips his ass at the end of every game he's appeared in.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:20:54 2008 No.651418 >>651406 He just waits until that link dies, and comes back next generation.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:22:28 2008 No.651429 Nodoby notice that Shirou's speed is apparently greater than a full powered servant? and that he was not using any special skill with the swords? just weilding them? Servants stats < average trained human?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:24:06 2008 No.651436 >>651429 how does rin beats caster

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:25:55 2008 No.651437 >>651429 shounen mains are never average trained human

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:27:00 2008 No.651442 >>651436 She at least reinforces herself and is a martial artist. Shirou was not using any special skills with the swords, nor reinforced himself and only trained with saber for a few days. And Rin is not an average trained human. Shirou is.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:27:13 2008 No.651443 >>651397 >>651403 You're telling me. Shiki would kick that faggot's ass without breaking a sweat.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:28:25 2008 No.651450 >>651437 yeah some abdominals, running around and flexions gave him servant stats. it all makes sense now.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:28:39 2008 No.651452 The way they make it out in UBW, Gilgamesh is a total wuss when it comes to close combat.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:28:52 2008 No.651446 >>651436 By laying the smackdown on her with kung-fu, which Caster has no experience with?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:29:07 2008 No.651456 >>651443 HERE WE GOOOOOO

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:30:11 2008 No.651459 >>651452 Which is true in Fate and Heaven's Feel, too.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:30:39 2008 No.651461 >>651458 Hey shut the fuck up Shirou would die like a fucking pussy to Shiki any fucking day of the week, you're just too butthurt to realize that aren't you?

Anonymous Tue May 20 00:30:57 2008 No.651458

Why do Shiki fags get all insecure whenever Shirou's ability to fight is discussed? It was never about Whether Shirou could fight Shiki yet they have to post their retarded type-moon debates. Nasu already said Shirou<Shiki in normal circumstances, however, Shirou>Shiki if hes able to use any type of mana burst(which is probable). Also, if Saber was alive then the sheath would pretty much give Shirou the ability to win easily.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:31:28 2008 No.651465 File: 74 KB, 810x648, 1211243488372.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] his body is made of swords.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:31:32 2008 No.651466 File: 5 KB, 238x195, 1211243492660.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>651461 >>651458 >Shirou>Shiki in normal circumstances.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:32:58 2008 No.651469 >>651465 ENUMA ELISH!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:33:22 2008 No.651482 >>651458 If you want to get circumstantial, let's talk Satsujinki. So seriously, forget mana burst - ``normal'' Shirou can't do it, just like ``normal'' Shiki isn't a badass killer Dead Apostle or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:34:52 2008 No.651494 >>651482 PROTIP: Satsujinki would lose to a mana burst too.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:35:06 2008 No.651496 >>651458 Sheath wouldn't do jack shit against the eyes of death. Shiki doesn't just kill things, he erases them from existence.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:35:45 2008 No.651500 >>651494 no.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:36:25 2008 No.651510 >>651500 YEes

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:36:48 2008 No.651513 >>651459 It's less apparent in Fate since he was able to go melee with Saber. Sure, it was a weakened Saber, but still.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:37:04 2008 No.651514 File: 69 KB, 650x722, 1211243824549.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] u guyz, someone told me that Naruto is real, the handsigns are real!!! srsly guyz

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:37:15 2008 No.651516 >>651514 FUCK YOU NO THEY AREN'T SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:38:25 2008 No.651529 >>651510 You didn't read Talk. He can kill magic and rapes magi and dead apostles like nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:38:25 2008 No.651530 oh hey guys lets fall for the same trollbait as last night

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:39:48 2008 No.651536 >>651513 She was not weak at that point.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:40:39 2008 No.651543 >>651529 Hes just an alternation of Shiki, not the real thing. Thats like saying "Well Archer would easily kill Shiki". The two may be related, but they aren't the same people.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:41:35 2008 No.651546 >>651513 We've been over this he can't match Saber in skill, his numerous weapon's innate properties pressure the opponent.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:42:58 2008 No.651548 >>651543 Same thing goes for Shirou using any form of mana burst then

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:43:27 2008 No.651556 >>651548 Shirou is a magus. He has mana. It's not impossible for him to use a mana burst. He could probably just mimic Archer and use caladbolg II.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:43:32 2008 No.651557 >>651543 I was proving that anon wrong. Satsujinki Shiki can kill mana bursts. Ryogui also can BTW.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:45:05 2008 No.651565 >>651557 Noone is debating Ryougi here. Shes too much hax. Nasu even said she might be able to hold her own against a servant.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:46:40 2008 No.651571 >>651282 where is the love for caster's master?

Anonymous Tue May 20 00:49:30 2008 No.651595

Guys, this is Nasu. It's more pointless than normal talking about relative power levels, because power levels can and do change to fit the plot.

But if you want to bring it down to a level of simple logic with no plot armor or hax attached:

Shiki > Shirou = if Shiki gets the drop on him.
Shiki < Shirou = all other circumstances.

Why? Because Shirou has actual combat training, and the ability to make powerful weapons. Shiki would own him if he could actually get a cut in, but then Shirou with a powerful weapon could kill anyone with one hit too. The main difference here is that Shirou is just more likely to get a hit in.

(I can't believe I used "logic" discussing a Typpe-Moon game).

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:50:47 2008 No.651599 >>651595 shiki cuts shirou's weapons, Nasu agreed.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:52:14 2008 No.651606 >>651556 >>651595 No. In a straightforward fight. Shiki>>>> Shirou. This is canon. The only thing that can make Shirou win is plot armor, but that applies to Shiki as well.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 00:53:23 2008 No.651615

You know I'm gonna take this moment to say something interesting.

We don't know anything about Shirou, before he was taken in by Kiritsu... think about that.

The LAST TIME Nasu had a character with a hole in his past (Shiki) he turned out to be some kinda hax demon slaying monstrosity that could run through walls.

Then you have Shirou who can use projection at will, a level of magic close to SORCERY mind you, and who also has an unusual hair color for his country of origin...

Does anyone else but me see that something might not be completely right about Shirou other than his strange mentality?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:55:58 2008 No.651626 File: 74 KB, 630x460, 1211244958525.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>651615 >unusual hair color But purple is normal?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:56:03 2008 No.651627 >>651606 >Shiki>>>> Shirou. This is my opinion fixed, and no not cause i think one is stronger than the other

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:56:06 2008 No.651628 >>651599 Yes, but Shirou has actual combat training. Unless we're talking about absurd hax, Shirou is just better able to avoiding Shiki and landing a blow in return.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:56:20 2008 No.651631 >>651595 Shiki wins, Nasu agreed, don't bother him about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:57:20 2008 No.651638 >>651615 Shirou's past does not matter at all. He was a normal child. Otherwise there would put something on F/Z , and they did not. Shirou is a crappy magus. Any other magus would kick his ass.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:58:41 2008 No.651644 >>651627 Not my opinion, Nasu's statement. in a straightforward fight Shiki > Shirou.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 00:59:23 2008 No.651649 >>651627 >>651628 Every time I see people like you, I seriously ask myself if you're trolling. It was said in an interview with Nasu that Shiki would just keep cutting Shirou's sword and win.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:00:00 2008 No.651654 >>651638 Sort of. If he applied his archery skills to his magic training he would be an efficient magus killer.

Anonymous Tue May 20 01:00:29 2008 No.651656

>>651599
>>651631

>From Comptiq 8 (only a summary of the actual interview so I'll pick it up later to confirm it)
Shiki vs. Shirou
"If powers are at max and we ignore the point of self-destruction caused from overflow then Shiki will win. No matter how much Shirou makes swords, Shiki will keep 'killing' them. It's a different story if it's possible to use a 'Mana Burst' like Excalibur."
Problem points:
1. Most probably referring to Archer-Arm Shirou but it could just as well be UBW Shirou. In either case if we ignore the fact that both of these people aren't going to have a future left after the fight, then Shiki wins. UBW Shirou is more of a gatling gun type anyway so that would be more appropriate for a killing one after the other.
2. Killing a Noble Phantasm, even a traced one, will cause problems apparently. "Self-destruction due to overflow" in the case of Shiki could either mean the amount he has to deal with or the nature of Noble Phantasms (even traced) or a combination of both.
3. Interpretation of last line by some is that Shiki can't kill Excalibur. Interpretation by others is that Shiki can't do anything about an energy blast.

basically if you ignore shiki frying his brain in the process he wins

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:00:35 2008 No.651657 >>651649 Yeah, by that same token, if Shirou could pull off a mana burst, then Shiki would lose.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:01:56 2008 No.651659 >>651628 Shiki also has combat training.A body that can be pushed to human limits and an elite's assasing training, plus his hax eyes.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 01:02:03 2008 No.651669

>>651626

Her hair color is actually explained.

>>651638

>Otherwise there would put something on F/Z

Tell me is F/Z finished? Or is it just the translators haven't gotten around to finishing it?

And if so what did it say about Shirou at all?

Also I don't see the problem here. Fuck I'm sure it'd be just like Nasu to withhold more info on Shirou until some other VN or possible continuation.

I'm not saying I'm RIGHT I'm just throwing around crazy theories. Like this one:

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:03:07 2008 No.651676 >>651657 And if pigs could fly, Shirou would lose. But since Shirou CAN'T pull of a mana burst and pigs CAN'T fly, forget about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:03:12 2008 No.651677 >>651669 I LOL'D. Especially at the Tohno part. If he inversed then he would be insane, not helpful.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:03:25 2008 No.651679 >>651657 But he can't, even archer can't without dying in the process. That is the plot armor that Shirou needs.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:04:19 2008 No.651682 >>651669 >Her hair color is actually explained. Oh lol I forgot about the worms. What about Shinji, then? He has blue hair.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:04:33 2008 No.651685 >>651669 I have read Fate Zero 4. it's finished. want a summary?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:04:35 2008 No.651686 >>651669 >That's the reason he cares more for other people than himself. LOLOLOL Fatten them up before eating them?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:04:40 2008 No.651687 >>651628 You make it seem like Shiki is a slouch when it comes to actual fighting. NORMAL Shiki can fend off vampires, such as Roa ,with his knife.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:04:42 2008 No.651689 >>651679 Archer has his own mana burst, its called caladbolg II. It requires mana to use it. Replay UBW. Shirou could possiblity do this.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:05:36 2008 No.651698 >>651682 Blue is anime for black

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:05:36 2008 No.651699 >>651496 Shiki would probably have a hard time trying to comprehend dimension fields, and that's assuming if he figures what the hell it is in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:06:09 2008 No.651705 Since when was Shiki -- the MAIN CHARACTER -- ever an ass-kicking elite assasin?

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 01:06:14 2008 No.651706 >>651686 I'd assume it's small enough to make him less psycho and more mentally unstable... Course I'm not the man to say this. >>651685 Please. >>651682 Nips dye their hair a lot.

Anonymous Tue May 20 01:06:52 2008 No.651701

Looking at the Fate translation screenshots here...

Wow, Nasu's writing honestly isn't all that great to begin with but these chuckling dickmongers still managed to turn it into flaming shit. Not a fucking shred of character left.

Chalk one up for shitty fan translators.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:07:24 2008 No.651713 >>651699 He did it to Nrvnqsr, he can do it to Shirou. Same thing. Nero was the bone of his deer, and see where that got him

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:07:55 2008 No.651709 There has to be some explanation as to why Shirou is so capable at projecting. Supposedly its very hard to do, and not practical. But he takes it to a level thats practical.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:08:28 2008 No.651723 SHIROU IS ARIHIKO IN DISGUISE LOOK AT THEIR HAIR AND EYE COLOR

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:08:57 2008 No.651719 >>651709 He can't project

Anonymous Tue May 20 01:08:59 2008 No.651724
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>>651706
>Nips dye their hair a lot.

Then maybe Shirou does, too.

Or maybe he's the long lost son of an American serviceman and a Japanese woman, and his dad is the descendant of Merlin so that's why he's got some magic talent and that's why he summoned Saber. Eh? EHHH?

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 01:09:23 2008 No.651728 >>651719 What?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:09:23 2008 No.651729 >>651705 Whenever his Nanaya blood kicked in.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:09:52 2008 No.651734 >>651706 Everyone dies but Kiritsugu and Waver

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:09:57 2008 No.651725 >>651713 That was even more retarded plot armor than Shirou Vs. Gil. Nero had his pretty much beat, then he somehow wakes up and starts killing shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:10:18 2008 No.651735 >>651719 He can project, but its just alot easier for him because hes projecting from his reality marble.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:10:43 2008 No.651737 >>651734 What about Kotomine...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:10:43 2008 No.651738 >>651705 When he was a kid

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:11:06 2008 No.651742 >>651737 Brought back to life by the tainted Grail

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 01:11:19 2008 No.651743 File: 38 KB, 295x340, 1211245879423.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>651734 Well that was helpful and informative to what I was looking for! ... NOT!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:11:44 2008 No.651748 >>651725 It only takes one slice for Shiki to kill things. Nero was focused on Arc that entire fight and didn't even consider Shiki a threat worth paying attention to, so he let his animals devour Shiki SLOWLY.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:13:12 2008 No.651757 >>651743 Also, YOU JUST PS3 SUCKS LOST THE GAME

Anonymous Tue May 20 01:13:42 2008 No.651759

>>651713
There's a difference. Nero was a great mass of chaos that was condensed at the time. Avalon fucking sends you to a different dimension.

Even if Shiki could somehow pierce through it, which is impossible, he'd still have to somehow understand that this field separates dimensions instead of being a standard shield. Of course, that doesn't prevent him from shanking Shirou after the latter ends the effect.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 01:13:42 2008 No.651760 >>651724 I like the way you think. Let's go bowling some time!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:15:28 2008 No.651769 >>651709 >Supposedly its very hard to do Not hard, just impractical because the magus has to constantly supply the projection with mana and it's knocked down one rank.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:15:40 2008 No.651770 >>651759 Avalon fucking sends SABER into another dimension. For Shirou, it's just a conduit for Saber's healing skill.

Anonymous Tue May 20 01:16:29 2008 No.651776

Kiritsugu became a apprentice under Natalia and studied how to kill people. He was naturally talented in killing, but he did it because he wanted to save innocent people like Sharley and the villagers. Even if it meant killing the ones close to him. Natalie's last mission was on a plane. She was able to kill the target dead apostle on the plane, but all the other passengers were infected. She occupied the cockpit and made arrangements to land the plane at an airport, but Kiritsugu didn't want to take any chance, as there could be a breakout after landing, and shot down the plane with a missile that they bought from the blackmarket. Even though Kiritsugu said she was like a real mother to him on their last communication.
the very first guy to die in this chapter was actually Tokiomi, and even before he could do anything too. He invited Kirei to his house one last time before Kirei headed back to the Church headquarters. Tokiomi whole heartedly thanked that he was a loyal apprentice to him and gave him an AZOTH knife to him as a parting fit. However, Kirei backstabbed him with that knife. Gilgamesh was watching all that too in his spirit form. Now with Tokiomi dead, Gilgamesh lets Kirei be his master since he seems more interesting.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:16:40 2008 No.651778 >>651770 he activates Avalon in Fate.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:16:50 2008 No.651783 >>651770 They both used it at the same time the first time they fought Gil...

Anonymous Tue May 20 01:17:43 2008 No.651787

Irisviel and Kiritsugu has a last conversation at the Emiya Residence. She's heavily worn out from being the Holy Grail and she will eventually lose her personality as the other Servant's souls gathers. But Irisviel returns the Avalon inside her that was keeping her alive to Kiritsugu so he can use it for the War. He promises that he'll kill Rider's Master today, and she soon falls unconscious.

Meanwhile Iskandar and Wever are taking a good rest at park where Wever summoned Iskandar at. Wever realized Iskandar's low on mana because of that Army noble phantasm. Wever doesn't have enough mana that he needs anyways, but Iskandar didn't bother taking it from him too because the amount might endanger his life. As they have a little talk, they decide the first priorty will be fighting Saber, because that's who Iskander wants to fight.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:19:22 2008 No.651800 >>651787 Idiots, they should have tried mana transfer.

Anonymous Tue May 20 01:19:48 2008 No.651802

Irisviel wakes up, Maiya was there and they talk for a while together. Maiya was brought up as a soldier since she was a child. She doesn't know her parent's name, and she already had a baby at her age by being raped by other soldiers. She say's she's always been a machine, and it's just that now she's serving Kiritsugu. Irisviel on the other hand didn't actually know if Kiritsugu's ideal was right or wrong, but she just trusted him as her beloved husband who taught him about life. Suddenly the door to the storage room was smashed open and Rider appears.
Saber was monitoring the old couple's resident that Wever sneaked into as their grand child, waiting for Iskandar's return. Kiritsugu was watching that from a top of a building through a sniper scope. After waiting for a long time, Kiritsugu receives an emergency message from Maiya that they are in danger. Kiritsugu teleports Saber to the Emiya residece with his Command mantra. She sees Maiya critically wounded and Rider kidnapping Irisviel. She goes to check maiya first, but Maiya tells her to go save Irisviel. In order to catch up to Rider who is quickly getting away, she grabs the modified 250 horsepower motorcycle that Kiritsugu prepared for her. By coating the motorcycle with her mana, she controls the demonic machine like part of her body.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:20:33 2008 No.651808 Actually, neither of them lose, because they don't exist, and no canon of them losing to one another. The only people who lose are the nerds who endlessly argue about who loses. Losers.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:20:58 2008 No.651803 SHIKI SHIROU DERP DERP DERP They would probably have a friendly drink, not a fight

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:21:18 2008 No.651810 Actually, the only people who lose are the nerds who endlessly argue about who loses. Losers.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:22:20 2008 No.651815 >>651803 They're more likely to end up exchanging harems and pimping the night away.

Anonymous Tue May 20 01:23:26 2008 No.651825

Kiritsugu makes back to the Emiya residence to find Maiya dying.
Saber catches up to Iskandar's Chariot with Rider and Wever on the road to the Einzbern castle. They have a crazy race at a tremendous speed.
Iskandar tells his master that he'll try to defeat Saber here. Even though this was a perfect range for Saber to use her Excalibur, he wanted to test his luck if his Chariot is fast enough to beat her.
top of a building, where Kirei, Kariya, and a dark eyed Rider was there. This Rider was a fake transformation by Berserker's Noble Phantasm. Kirei made a deal with Kariya that if he helped him, Kirei will arrange a meeting with him and Tokiomi. Not only that but he'll provide him with some Command mantra as well. In his situation, Kariya had no other choice but to take this chance. But after he left, Zouken appeared in front of Kirei and said he must be plotting something interesting. Kirei was like I don't know what you're talking about, but sensing Zouken as a dangerous threat, he attempts to kill him on the spot but Zouken can't be killed by just being pierced by Black Keys.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 01:26:44 2008 No.651849 >>651825 >Saber catches up to Iskandar's Chariot with Rider and Wever on the road to the Einzbern castle. They have a crazy race at a tremendous speed. Fuck they really should animate this Light novel...

Anonymous Tue May 20 01:26:45 2008 No.651850

Rider tries to rush down Saber with his chariot, but she was slightly faster. Iskander jumps out of the chariot with his master just in time, but his chariot is lost for the rest of the Grail War. They thought Saber was going to continue the battle, but she makes a u-turn to find Irisviel.
Kiritsugu breaks into the Matou residence to find Byakuya Matou, Shinji's father and Kariya's brother, drinking alcohol. As he shoots his hand and blood splatters everywhere, he askes where Irsiviel is. Finding out that the Matou's doesn't know anything, he leaves. Later he breaks into the Tohsaka residence to find the blood of Tokiomi on the floor, but no clues to where Irisviel is.
Kariya visits the Church to see Tokiomi there. He was strongly determined to kill Tokiomi, so Aoi will be released from all this distress. He finds Tokiomi sitting on a chair facing the other way and starts talking to him. But realizes he's dead.
Aoi comes into the church and finds her husband's dead body in Kariya's hands. Aoi bursts into tears and mourns for his death. Kariya doesn't know why she's crying for that man. She directs her anger at Kariya and asks why he has done this. Not only did the Matous take Sakura away from her, now they took her husband. Kairya says in broken words, isn't he the cause of the misfortune? But Aoi cursed at him, you never loved anyone, you don't know how it feels like. Something inside Kariya breaks apart. He did have someone he loved. He endured everything for that person. He strangles the woman that looked like the person he loved, and he falls unconscious himself.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:29:28 2008 No.651872 Is his chariot really a wooden chariot or is it something suitably pimp like a '67 Caddy?

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 01:31:43 2008 No.651888 >>651850 Isn't it sad Kariya? ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:32:34 2008 No.651896 So basically... the Masters in Fate/Zero actually tried to kill each other instead of doing nothing like the next batch did?

Realize how shitty FSN is. Anonymous Tue May 20 01:34:21 2008 No.651906

When Wever and Iskandar returns to the house,at night, the old man there asks Wever to come up to the roof. The old man chats with him,He asks if Wever and his friend can stay with them a little longer. Wever couldn't promise that. The old man suspected that he must be doing something that risks his life. He gives Wever an advice; after becoming old and looking back at life, you'll realize that there's actually nothing worth risking your precious life for.The sun was about to rise, and this was the last day of the Holy Grail War.
Kiritsugu was preparing for the last battle at the Ryudoji temple. He gave up on looking for Irisviel.
The Ryudouji temple is one of the 4 spiritually strong places in Fuyuki,since the Ryudouji temple was the best place to lay traps, he decided to station here. When he was quietly waiting Saber came to see him. She just happened to walk pass the temple when she was still looking for Irisviel. She just reported that she couldn't find her yet, and Kiritsugu didn't say anything back. What she's doing was useless at this point, but that was the only thing she could do.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 01:37:58 2008 No.651918 >>651896 Well they WERE mostly children due to the fact it only took place 10 years after the last.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:38:14 2008 No.651924 File: 213 KB, 429x600, 1211247494701.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>651918 And women.

realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 01:38:30 2008 No.651927

Meanwhile, Kirei transferred his hideout to the underground sewers where Caster used to be. He wakes up Irisviel and asks him what Kiritsugu's wish for the Holy Grail is. He was interested in what kind of wish a killer like him would have, but to his contrary, Irisviel tells him he's doing it for the sake of mankind, to make a peaceful world without war. She says a man like Kirei would never understand what he's trying to do. Kirei got annoyed talking to her, and knocks her unconscious.
When Waver woke up, it was already night time,his Holy Grail War was pretty much over in his mind. Rider called out to him saying he sensed a magical sign in the distance. It said "victory" and "accomplishment". Someone was basically taunting and luring out all the Masters and Servants for a final battle. Rider is ready for the battle, but Waver already made up his mind on quitting. He makes 3 orders to Iskandar, "Rider, you must be the one who will win this War","Rider, you must take the Holy Grail into your hands," and "Rider, you must conquer the world. Failing will not be forgiven" He looks down at his own feet and tells Rider to just go where ever he wants to. But Rider picks him up and puts him on the horse behind him. Rider's like, you said all that, so you're going to watch me till the end right? But Waver said, I'm not your master anymore! Rider tells him, But you're still my friend. Waver couldn't stop crying , they head towards the appointed spot.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:38:53 2008 No.651923 >>651918 And women..

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:38:54 2008 No.651929 File: 64 KB, 800x600, 1211247534922.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] WOMEN AND CHILDREN

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 01:39:21 2008 No.651933 >>651923 >>651924 Womenmind.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:41:03 2008 No.651939 >>651927 Awww, isn't that cute?

realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 01:41:14 2008 No.651942

In the next scene, we see Irisviel dreaming something. She sees young Ilya asking if her father is ever come back. She says he will come for us and the end is near. Basically she's already mixed in the holy grail, and the personaless contents of the tainted holy grail took on Irisviel's personality.
Rider and Waver encounters Gilgamesh at the bridge connecting the two parts of town. Rider goes to talk to Gilgamesh one last time. He said, if his army equipped themselves with all of Gilgamesh's weapons in his vault, he thinks they can conquer the world, so do you want to be friends? But gilgamesh says he doesn't need another friend. He only needs one friend and only one king is needed in the world. They go back standing at the edge and start their battle. Rider unleashes his Reality Marble and summons his army. They rush towards Gilgamesh.
Saber makes it to the Fuyuki Resident's hall on her motorcycle, and goes into the underground parking area. There he meets Berserker. This time Berserker is equipped with a pair of sub machine guns prepared by Kirei. The noble phantasm powered bullets blows up everything in its way, and the most Saber could do is to dodge it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:41:34 2008 No.651944 >>651927 >Kirei got annoyed talking to her, and knocks her unconscious. Fuck, that's awesome. I wish that happened in FSN. No Rin, I don't feel like being lectured tonight. SHIROU PAUNCH

realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 01:42:35 2008 No.651948

Then she finds a light truck in the parking lot and jumps behind it. She wields her sword at it from the side to knock the truck in the air towards Berserker. She jumps and follows behind it as the truck approaches Berserker. Berserker shoots the gun at the truck and its quickly loses its shape. When the truck was about 10 meters from Berserker, she kicks the truck towards him. Berserker just stood there and raised his arm to fling off the truck without dodging it. Saber found that opening and strikes her sword towards Berserker as she slices the truck apart. The strike was too shallow, but Saber continues to make a 2nd strike on the ground. She thought she made a perfect strike, but Berserker threw out his machine guns and caught Saber's sword with his bare hands, even with the invisible Wind Barrier on it. She steps back and realizes he must be a knight that knows her and her sword. She asks for his name, and instead of an answer, Berserker's black fog disappears and a beautiful black armor shows. Saber couldn't believe seeing the armor of the perfect knight that she respected tainted in black. "Sir Lancelot!"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:44:07 2008 No.651955 >>651942 holy shit, beserker is fucking awesome

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:44:12 2008 No.651956 >Rider goes to talk to Gilgamesh one last time. He said, if his army equipped themselves with all of Gilgamesh's weapons in his vault, he thinks they can conquer the world, so do you want to be friends? holy shit, can you imagine?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:46:24 2008 No.651970 >>651965 Yes, please go on.

>>	realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 01:46:56 2008 No.651965 is anyone reading?

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 01:48:15 2008 No.651976 >>651965 I sure am.

Anonymous Tue May 20 01:48:37 2008 No.651978

Kiritsugu and Kirei finally meets at the center hall. They have nothing to say to each other to the enemy that they need to defeat and they ready their weapon.
Back at the bridge, Rider's army was approching Gilgamesh, but he hasn't opened his Gate of Babylon yet. Instead he takes out a single sword.
While Rider was thinking of what his attack is and how he should dodge it, Gilgamesh unleashes Enuma Elish. The blow rips apart the earth and the sky to nothingness. Rider's horse quickly jumped across the rift and was able to dodge it, but his army fell into the void. Unable to sustain the reality marble without all the heroic spirits' assistances, the desert field disappears. Waver doesn't know what to say at this loss, but Rider asks him a question, "Waver Velvet, do you want to serve me as my follower?" Waver replies, "Yes, you are my king. I will do anything for you. Please lead me and show me where to go. I want to see the same dream as you" Saying fine, he takes Waver off the horse and gives him an order, "It is the duty of the king to show the dream, but it is the duty of a follower to evaluate that dream and tell that story to the next generation" and "Live Waver, behold everything and tell the story of your king. This Iskandar's gallop." As he smiled, he turned towards his enemy and started heading towards his enemy on his horse. He knew he barely had any chance against Gilgamesh.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:48:44 2008 No.651979 >>651965 yes, post moar

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:50:19 2008 No.651988 >>651956 You're actually reading that shit?

realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 01:51:06 2008 No.651990

Gilgamesh started shooting his weapons from the Gate of Babylon, but he doesn't lose momentum. Before he realizes, Rider is already running on his feet after losing his horse. He was about to strike at Gilgamesh, but chains appear from no where and binds Rider. As the weapons rain of Rider, he comments with a satisfied tone, "This expedition was very exciting as well..." Giglamesh gives his appraise to his enemy who didn't stop till the very end, "You may try as many time as you want, King of Conquest. This world is my yard till the end of the time. That's why I'm certain this place will never leave you bored" "Oh, that's... great..." and Rider disappears. Then Gilgamesh approaches Waver and asks him, "Hey kid, are you Rider's Master?" Waver scared, but looking straight into Gilgamesh's eyes replies, "No, I'm his follower" Gilgamesh, "Oh, but if you're a loyal follower. Shouldn't you be avenging your king?" Waver, "If I fight you, I'll die" Gilgamesh, "Of course" Waver, "I can't do that, I was orderd to 'live'" After a pause, Gilgamesh says, "Good work, faithful dog. Do not forget that" and leaves him. Even though he was just spared his life, Waver felt happy that this was a personal victory he won with his courage. He was able to keep Iskandar's last orders. On a lonley bridge, he cried like a man.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:52:02 2008 No.651996 >>651988 These summaries are better than all of FSN.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:54:04 2008 No.652006 >This time Berserker is equipped with a pair of sub machine guns prepared by Kirei. FUUUUCK YEAH

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:54:48 2008 No.652007 >>651990 True manly tears.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:55:37 2008 No.652012 >>651990 Fuck, Gilgamesh would have been dead so many times if it weren't for that damned chain.

Realize how shitty FSN is. Anonymous Tue May 20 01:56:14 2008 No.652016

We see the past of Lancelot, the knight of the lake. His downfall began when he loved the queen. Even though the King was a woman, the king had a queen to have a stable royal family to show to the kingdom. That's the ideal goverment people were seeking. The queen was happy to throw away her own life as a woman for that ideal. However, the knight and the queen both fell in love with each other. The knight wanted to take her away, but he was a knight who serves the kingdom. One day the political enemys of the king exposed their affair and the queen was to be executed. The knight had no other choice to rebel and try to save his loved one. This choice was not only painful for the knight, it was also painful for the queen who made her loved one do something wrong, and it was painful to the king who had put his most loyal servant through this despair. How can the knight hate this holy king who never blamed anything about this on him? He wished he could be a beast that had no worries. That's why he was appointed to a Berserker class.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 01:56:55 2008 No.652013

>>651996

Everything's better when you make things into TOUGH AS NAILS mature characters.

You're now imagining Tsukihime if Shiki were a middle aged assassin who's morally conflicted over the fact that he can kill anything, Arc is one of his "unnatural targets" and shit gets black.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:56:55 2008 No.652014 i think the problem is lots of the convention is lost in the translation...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:58:48 2008 No.652028 POST FASTER

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:00:51 2008 No.652034 >>652013 Tsukihime already is more serious and mature than fsn, that add some points to the plot.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:02:45 2008 No.652041 >>652034 >already is more serious and mature than fsn I honestly don't understand that mentality. But apparently a bunch of nerds on the internet think that way.

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:02:52 2008 No.652044

The battle between Kiritsugu and Kotomine has began. Kirei is using his physical hakkyokuken skills along with Black Keys while coating his clothing with mana for defense. Kiritsugu is using his gun and Innate Time Self Reality Marble control to keep a distance between them. Kirei seems to have an initial upper hand as he is quicker than Kiritsugu imagined. Kiritsugu receives a critical blow and the battle was thought to be over. However, the Avalon that he placed inside him quickly heals his body and he makes a comeback. He pushes his innate time control to the limit, but Kotomine strongly resists. He finally injures Kirei's right arm and blinds his left eye with blood. Kiritsugu tries to finish him off with his knife instead of the gun that needs reloading, but Kirei still dodges his knife even attacking from his blinded side. Kiritsugu's body is ripped apart by the overload of the time control since avalon only heals the body and not his damage and stamina. Kiritsugu pushes his time control even further to create distance again as he threw the knife into kirei's leg. Kiritsugu reloads the gun while Kirei threw 4 black keys in the air. Kiritsugu aims for Kirei, while Kirei dashes towards Kiritsugu. He realizes the 4 swords that Kirei threw was to seal Kiritsugu's escape route. As their attacks were about to cross, the black mud gushing out from the holy grail in the room above rained over them.

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:03:32 2008 No.652045
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Shall I share with you my flawless techniques on how to win the Holy Grail War the most awesome Servant? Sure? OKAY!

Black Knight Berserker Lancelot can wield FUCKING ANYTHING as his Noble Phantasm, and this is why he is so epic. He can wield his massive cock and beat the shit out of the other Servants with it. He can wield fucking Lancer (who is invariably wielding a lance) and kick the shit out of just about everyone else with it.

First, my Anonymous Technique. We, as in most of Anonymous, collectively summon BKBL, magically equipping him Rank A Battle Continuation and have the left over members summon a “Thief” class Servant. We, using our massive numbers, pump BKBL full of Mana, allowing him to function at the highest power possible. The Thief would then be commanded to steal the Noble Phantasms of other characters, giving them to BKBL for his use. In this way, Anonymous would almost definitely win the Holy Grail War, and our wish would be to turn all of Anonymous, even the dead ones, into Gods so that we could make Earth our 4chan.

Now my “Black Hole” technique. We have BKBL simultaneously wield Avalon and Enûma Elish, and we get him to smash them together, thus forming a Black Hole due to the absolutely conflicting natures of the two Noble Phantasms. This divides by zero and forms a singularity, among other things, and forms a black hole, most likely miniature. We then have BKBL wield said Black Hole. This moment of immense badassness will allow us to automatically win the war.

This is why BKBL is the greatest, most powerful Servant in existence.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:04:30 2008 No.652051 >>652041 OH, LOOK, IT'S THE INTERNET TOUGH GUY.

>>	realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 02:05:03 2008 No.652053 >>652041 Is it not the main reason that Fate / Zero >>>>> Fate stay night? a serious plot is always superior to a happy go lucky one.

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:05:20 2008 No.652054

>>652034

Barely.

The only truly good parts of it are when Shiki is going batshit insane, or inhabiting SHIKI's mind. Ala, most of the bad endings when he turns into a killer.

Aside from that it's pretty similar aside from the fact that thematically, it's not as fantasyish as F/SN is. Which I SUPPOSE could be argued to be a mature factor.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:07:04 2008 No.652063 >>652045 >We, using our massive numbers, pump BKBL full of Mana Victory through superior bukkake?

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:07:59 2008 No.652062 >>652051 No I'm a nerd on the internet too. It's just I don't think that way. >>652053 >a serious plot is always superior to a happy go lucky one. If that were true then Elfen Lieden would be leagues better than Gurren Lagann

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:08:06 2008 No.652070 GENTLEMEN OPEN THE FAGGOTRY FLOODGATES

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:08:45 2008 No.652074 >>652045 FUCKING EPIC.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:09:56 2008 No.652075 >If that were true then Elfen Lieden would be leagues better than Gurren Lagann Who said it had to be significantly better? Elfen Lied IS better than Gurren Lagann, but not by much because both suck shit.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:10:14 2008 No.652079 >>652075 I'm not going to respond to that. Mostly because I would be brining shit that doesn't belong here into here.

>>	r Anonymous Tue May 20 02:10:14 2008 No.652081 >>652054 Not only those parts,resolutions of the stories or the general cirscuntances that the characters lives is also part of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:10:26 2008 No.652084 >>652075 Agreed.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:10:46 2008 No.652085 File: 71 KB, 1280x800, 1211249446467.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>652062 The second half was DARKER AND EDGIER than the first. Everything having to do with the character to the left of this post is epic.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:11:39 2008 No.652090 File: 526 KB, 947x657, 1211249499728.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>652013 Yowassup

>>	realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 02:12:13 2008 No.652096 >>652079 >>652075 Not trolling here, but you don't watch G.Laggan for the plot...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:13:27 2008 No.652102 >>652096 GL just sucks in general, not just the plot.

realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 02:13:33 2008 No.652103

Somewhere in the hall, Kariya was still alive in pain. The only reason he can still exist is the motivation to achive the holy grail. The battle will end and he'll be able to save Sakura. But he won't be able to see Rin anymore, he doesn't know why.
Saber no longer had the will to fight and just getting beat up by Berserker's black sword. Saber felt that Lancelot's tragedy was all her fault and could only accept his anger. But she thought that at least he would understand that she was trying to do the right thing, but is this hate his true feelings? She cried out in tears, "Please stop!!" If there was one more blow, it would have been over, but Berserker stopped in the middle. The worms inside Kariya's body had died from mana overdose and Berserker lost his supply. In that instant Saber stuck her sword through Berserker's body. As she did that, Saber said "Even then, I must achieve tha holy grail. If I don't, my friend. I can't compensate anything for you" A nostaligic voice replied, "What a troubling King. Do you still wield that sword for such reason?" Lancelot looked at his king with gentle eyes. "I wanted to be executed with you sword, my king. I wanted to compensate for my sins with your own hatred" and "Dying within my king's hand, watched over my king at death... Haha, it is as if I was a faithful knight..." "What are you sayin, you were..." you were not 'as if' but 'indeed' a faithful knight. Saber wanted to say that, but words doesn't come out. What purpose are her words if he believes his own sins?
Looking at the emptiness after he disappeared in tears, she thinks of all her men who perished. Did they die in pain after following this unworthy king? Determining she can still change the past with the holy grail she walks forward with her beat up body.

>>	realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 02:14:11 2008 No.652106 >>652102 GL is good, but you don't watch it for the plot.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:14:54 2008 No.652109

>>652085

Yet SO many people say the second half is bad and you should stop at episode 15...

Lemme tell you something. GRIM AND DARK is not always gold. A serious plot, when portrayed badly, will always be thousands of times shittier than a good plot portrayed with a happier go-lucky theme to it.

Why by your logic putting thousands of death, blood, gore and killing into a story automatically makes it better than one that lacks said attributes.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:15:42 2008 No.652111 >>652081 Near Side is worse than F/SN in every possible way though. As huge an achievement as that is. I mean for fucks sake, how can ANYONE possibly like Arc or Ciel as characters?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:16:36 2008 No.652116 >>652109 Name 15 examples where a game that had such a theme was worse than something with a "happy go lucky" plot.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:17:25 2008 No.652119 >>652109 Only Good part of the time skip were the last three(?) episodes.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:18:39 2008 No.652122

>>652096
>>652106

Yea. You watch it for the good character interactions and nice tone of it all.

Everything strikes you in a sort of "FUCK YEA" or "AWESOME" kind of sense. The plot isn't overly developing and full of multiple situations that all collide together. What makes you love it is that these are awesome characters who are conflicting against these things.

What makes Elfein Lieden shit is that it's full of gore and sex but it lacks substance and empathy. Nothing strikes you as profound or interesting. Disgusting or morbid maybe but not good.

Watch SAW and compare it to a movie like Iron Man. Iron Man is a better movie because it's just plain implemented better.

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:19:00 2008 No.652130

>>652111
that's bullshit and you know it.

They aren't as good as the Far Side routes, but they're vastly superior overall to all of the F/SN routes translated so far.

Admittedly, F/SN has a few scenes that blow Near Side out of the water, but the tedium of actually getting to those scenes puts the overall routes under even the Near Side.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:19:51 2008 No.652129 >>652116 >where a game >game Excuse me?

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:20:11 2008 No.652132

>>652122

>Yea. You watch it for the good character interactions and nice tone of it all.

Haha, you're joking right? You must be pretty deprived of good fiction to think the character interactions in there are GOOD.

>What makes Elfein Lieden shit is that it's full of gore and sex but it lacks substance and empathy. Nothing strikes you as profound or interesting. Disgusting or morbid maybe but not good.

Pretty much. Elfen Lied is slightly better for at least trying though.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:20:47 2008 No.652133 >>652129 typo, just go with story.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:21:01 2008 No.652135

>>652132

>Haha, you're joking right? You must be pretty deprived of good fiction to think the character interactions in there are GOOD.

Oh and what characters do you consider GOOD?

Lemme guess. Tohno Shiki?

>Pretty much. Elfen Lied is slightly better for at least trying though.

So you have to TRY to be GORY AND GRIM DARK in order to be better than the rest?

You would be a horrible writer.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:21:21 2008 No.652134 >>652132 gb2/a/, you utter faggot. Your kind doesn't belong here.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:22:30 2008 No.652137 >They aren't as good as the Far Side routes, but they're vastly superior overall to all of the F/SN routes translated so far. 8 minute conversations over and over again with one of the worst fictional characters ever make it worse by default.

realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 02:23:02 2008 No.652139

>>652109
They are trolling just for the ending...
is not just the seriousness that makes fsn boring at times,it seems FSN's plot does not take itself seriously, and eveything is solved by magic, or sometimes tries to be mature and fails (HF).
nasuverse is about plot = serious bussines.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:23:16 2008 No.652140 >>652130 The problem with FSN is that none of the Masters are really interesting and none of the really interesting Servants are ever explored properly.

realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 02:25:16 2008 No.652150

Kiritsugu wakes up in a dark place with Irisviel dressed in a black dress. She tells him he just needs to make a wish to the evil looking holy grail, but Kiritsugu feels that something is wrong. Like why is Irisviel still alive? She explains it's the personality of the holy grail. Kiritsugu wonders how this grail actually grants its wish, and she answers it's just like how you've done it. She enters his mind and gives him an example. There are 300 people in one boat, 200 people in another boat. A hole opens at the bottom of both boats. If Kiritsugu is the person who can repair the boat and he can only repair one boat, which one would it be? He answers it's obviously the 300. But what if the 200 people tries to stop you? Even before he could answer, a gun appears in his hands and he shoots the 200 people. The 300 who survived get on another two boats carrying 200 and 100 respectably. And a hole opens on both boats again. Which one would you save? Kiritugu's like "That's... but..." the 100 people are shot again. Eventually the number of people decreases to 5. Natalia and his father are shot in order for the other 3 to be saved. Maiya's body is stabbed with a knife to save the other 2. Finally Ilya and Irisviel greets their father like he just came home. At the end, Kiritsugu's real wish was to revive his wife and to be with his daughter. But he couldn't accept the holy grail that tries to grant his wish this way. He shoots Ilya and chokes Irisviel. With his last hope broken apart, only emptiness remained in Kiritsugu's heart.

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:25:44 2008 No.652145

>>652135

>Oh and what characters do you consider GOOD?
>Lemme guess. Tohno Shiki?

No.

Good character? Tyrion Lannister.

>So you have to TRY to be GORY AND GRIM DARK in order to be better than the rest?
>You would be a horrible writer.

No. You can be better than GORY GRIM N DARK with happy themes if it's done properly sure, but since the majority of stories with ZOMG HAPPILY EVER AFTER suck so much balls, and are so overdone, you have to give credit to someone for at least TRYING to break out of that mould.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:25:44 2008 No.652147 >>652137 Ciel's route is awesome, stop trolling.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:26:16 2008 No.652151 >>652139 And everything in Tsukihime is solved by Shiki killing something or Shiki realizing that life = good.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:26:41 2008 No.652154 >>652137 oh, hey, F/SN has even worse characters that you're stuck with.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:27:20 2008 No.652156 >>652154 one of them happens to be the main character.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:27:53 2008 No.652159 >Watch SAW and compare it to a movie like Iron Man. Iron Man is a better movie because it's just plain implemented better. Flashy effects don´t make a good movie, you know?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:28:59 2008 No.652162 >>652159 neither does gore. But Iron Man is still a superior movie,

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:29:13 2008 No.652164

>>652147

No it's not. It's fucking terrible, just for the fact you have to sit through those speeches over and over. Ciel as a character is bland as fuck, and barely gets fleshed out at all.

She's not AS bad as Arc though. JESUS CHRIST ARC IS SHIT.

>>652151

That's a simplification of nearly any japanese story in existence.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:29:58 2008 No.652168 >>652164 Any story can be simplified to absurdity.

>>	realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 02:30:02 2008 No.652170 >>652151 >>652151 Well you have something different at least. And it is about the execution of that and the plot taking itself seriously that gives F/Z , Tsukihime, and Rakkyo the upperhand.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:32:52 2008 No.652175 >>652162 I'd disagree just because SAW is only 102 minutes, and Iron Man is 126.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:32:56 2008 No.652176 >>652034 >Tsukihime already is more serious and mature than fsn HEY SHIKI! I LOVE YOU BECAUSE YOU KILLED ME THEN LATTER RAPED ME!

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:33:03 2008 No.652177

>>652164
Nothing is worse than Shirou's inner monologues and his discussions with other characters.

The other characters are better than Ciel, of course, but you have to sit through hours and hours of Shirou being a gigantic tool to see those characters do anything interesting.

The best scenes in F/SN are ones where Shirou isn't fighting (or even there). The Lancer death scene in UBW, the Lancer vs Archer fight, the last scene with Archer and Rin, Gilgamesh Vs Seiba, Rider vs Seiba (before Shirou gets involved), etc.

realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 02:33:45 2008 No.652180

Kiritsugu wakes up to find Kirei knocked down near him. As Kiritsugu pointed his gun at Kirei's heart from behind, Kirei wakes up. Kirei's surprised why kiritsugu didn't accept the offer of the holy grail. Kiritsugu's answer was that it sacrifices too many things for what it gives. Kirei's like, then let me have it! but Kiritsugu pulled the trigger saying, I don't understand you.
Saber is about to get to where the Holy grail is, but Gilgamesh stood in front of him. She tells him to get out of the way. Gilgamesh ignores that and tells her to become his wife. He shoots a weapon at her until she says yes. Saber wants to use Excalibur on him, but the holy grail was in her path. Then She saw Kiritsugu appearing from the side on the upper floor. Since Gilgamesh hasn't noticed him yet, she thinks he'll see this situation and help her using the command mantra to defeat Gilgamesh. But his order was to destroy the holy grail--- The golden sword appears in contrary to her will. Not knowing why, she hold it back with all her might, but Kiritsugu further uses the third command mantra to order Saber to destroy it. The grail was destroyed, but the mud inside it spills out. It pours onto Gilgamesh who was right under it and he's melted into the mud. The mud flows out to the town and caused a dreadful fire in the surrounding houses.. Over 500 people died in this incident.

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:34:18 2008 No.652182

>>652135
Ok, let me see if i get this. You say Gurren Laggan is so fucking awesome but doesn´t have a plot. Then you say something with a shitty yet, interesting in some parts, plot sucks.

I guess you too would suck as a writter, but that´s not the point. Gurren Laggan is shit, no trolling but for me it was, I´m not into shit shows trying to cover their lack of plot with shitty flashy effects, read again my comment about iron man movie, Flashy effects don´t make a good movie, same applies to anime.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:34:24 2008 No.652184 >>652176 no better or worse than Rin and Seiba's reasons for their love of Shirou.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:35:09 2008 No.652185 >>652177 I'm sorry, as much as I really want to agree with you, Arc's speeches and just her very existence actually me just read a summary instead of bothering with that crap.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:35:22 2008 No.652188 ITT: OPINIONS

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:35:41 2008 No.652189 >>652184 Can we just agree that forced hentai fucking blows?

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:35:59 2008 No.652191

>>652145

>Tyrion Lannister.

Honestly? I haven't gotten around to reading A Song of Ice and Fire.

Course if you wanna berate me for my lack of knowledge in Literature I won't stop you. Just ignore you mostly.

>No. You can be better than GORY GRIM N DARK with happy themes if it's done properly sure, but since the majority of stories with ZOMG HAPPILY EVER AFTER suck so much balls, and are so overdone, you have to give credit to someone for at least TRYING to break out of that mould.

Mould? (ignoring the fact you misspelled that) Plenty of stories have had bitter or un-concluded endings. Fact so did F/SN since Saber dies in all three routes (discounting good end UBW) and Sakura gets raped by worms in the latter two.

Tsukihime's endings are also bittersweet when looked at from a positive light. Akiha true end? She truly believes she'll come back and is content to know her brother is alive somewhere (which he is if Kagetsu Tohya is cannon). Hisui true end? She leaves the house with him and they're together at least.

Kohaku? Well that definitely has the potential for BAD end from that pic I saw but from what I recall (been a while since I finished that route) things are pretty much hunky doori with her.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:36:29 2008 No.652195 >>652185 that's how a lot of the people that played F/SN feel about Shirou, except you have to deal with him in every fucking path.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:36:53 2008 No.652200 >>652162 Never said that but no, Iron Man is not superior since it´s just a crappy adaptation from a Copy. SAW gets extra points for being a "somewhat" original idea.

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:37:58 2008 No.652207

>>652176
>>652176
Arc and Shiki didn't end up in good terms in Ciel's True End, ) After every single of the Far Side of the Moon routes, Arc and Ciel will keep hunting Roa, Akiha ends up as a doll in one ending,and Shiki and Akiha don't end up togheter in the other , Akiha and Kohaku die in another end, Hisui's Good End wasn't precisely happy.
Shiki is forced to fight Arc, Ciel, Akiha, and Sacchin.
Shiki becomes a killer in several endings.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:38:16 2008 No.652209 >>652200 it's not really original at all, the ideas behind it have been floating around for ages. It's no more original than Iron Man beyond the fact that they make people die in original ways.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:39:05 2008 No.652212 >>652177 Shirou telling Lancer to fuck off and stay the fuck away from Rin was as good as any of those scenes. It has Shirou getting a fucking spine, Lancer being GAR and Rin being tsundere.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:39:27 2008 No.652214 >>652184 >Rin Count how many times Shirou saved Rin's life during UBW.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:39:30 2008 No.652215

>>652182

>Ok, let me see if i get this. You say Gurren Laggan is so fucking awesome but doesn´t have a plot.

It DOES have a plot but I won't argue that because this isn't about GL.

>Then you say something with a shitty yet, interesting in some parts, plot sucks.

Err... what? I'm sorry but that was worded awfully.

>I guess you too would suck as a writter, but that´s not the point. Gurren Laggan is shit, no trolling but for me it was, I´m not into shit shows trying to cover their lack of plot with shitty flashy effects, read again my comment about iron man movie, Flashy effects don´t make a good movie, same applies to anime.

So... what does appeal to you?

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:39:50 2008 No.652216

Ilya wakes up in her bed from a nightmare of a burning world. She became the grail in that dream. She wonders if her father is ok. She hopes that he will return one day.

Saber is sent back to her own world after the grail was destoryed. She apologizes to the world that she couldn't save.

Gilgamesh was spit out from the mud because he was such a strong existance. Not only that, but Gilgamesh received a real body. Kirei wakes up and find Gilgamesh near him. He seemed to have ressurected himself from something that flowed to his body through the master and servant pass from Gil. After looking at the burning town, Kirei laughs out in pleasure. He finally realizes what brings happiness to him in this world. Since a crazy mind like himself exists, he thinks there must be a law other than good and bad in this world, and he sets finding out what that is as his new goal in his life. Gilgamesh thinks he's an interesting guy to observe and decides to stick with him. Kirei thought he saw Kiritsugu walking in the fire, but he seemed to be out of it.

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:40:21 2008 No.652220

Kariya was walking back to the Matou's house like an automated machine. Zouken wasn't home and he heads for the underground chamber to take Sakura outside. "I came to save you, Sakura" saying that, he takes the little girl outside the house, and they escape the town. Aoi and Rin were waiting in the next town. At their new house, the mother and the sisters reunite. They go out and rin and sakura are playing in the flower field. The sisters make a crown out of flowers and gives it to Kariya saying it's a gift for their father...

In the cold underground chamber, Sakura was looking at the dead body besides her. What used to be Kariya died in front of her. He somehow had a satisfied face. She didn't know why this man was here, but she understood the reason he died. Because he didn't listen to her grandfather. This must be a lesson for the day. Worms swarmed above the dead body and the body became small until it was all gone.

A little boy in the fire lost his will to walk and fell down. He reached out his hand to the sky. When he was about to become unconscious, someone took his hand. The boy will never forget the expression of the man's face, who was happy to find someone alive, who was at least able to save someone. The man said thank you, like he was showing appreciation to someone.

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:41:42 2008 No.652224

>>652191

>Honestly? I haven't gotten around to reading A Song of Ice and Fire.
>Course if you wanna berate me for my lack of knowledge in Literature I won't stop you. Just ignore you mostly.

He's probably one of my personal favourite fictional characters ever.

If I have to pick something you know, can I at least go with Lezard Valeth?

>Mould? (ignoring the fact you misspelled that) Plenty of stories have had bitter or un-concluded endings. Fact so did F/SN since Saber dies in all three routes (discounting good end UBW) and Sakura gets raped by worms in the latter two.

Too bad that in general, you couldn't give two shits about those characters. I won't deny that the same can be said of most of Tsukihime's "heroines", but damn, I was fucking glad and I laughed when that happened to Saber and Sakura. Not a good sign.

>Tsukihime's endings are also bittersweet when looked at from a positive light. Akiha true end? She truly believes she'll come back and is content to know her brother is alive somewhere (which he is if Kagetsu Tohya is cannon). Hisui true end? She leaves the house with him and they're together at least.

tee-hee Tue May 20 02:42:15 2008 No.652227
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The ground rustled as Gilgamesh moved forwards. A confident smirk marked his face, and his body was relaxed as he approached Archer.

"Tell me, Archer." He whispered as he leaned forwards. His finger traced a burning route across Archer's tan skin. "Won't you become mine?"

Archer struggled against his chains but he knew it was no use. He had lost against this man, the King of Kings. His weapons broken and his reality marble shattered. But though he was bested in battle, he was not bested in spirit. He looked up, and his storm gray eyes were defiant. His reply was to spit on the ground.

Gilgamesh' smile widened. As he expected from the man he had chosen. "Well then, Archer." His voice lowered to a deep, seductive tone. "We have all night to change your mind..."

Gilgamesh placed a cool hand on Archer's body, and the red warrior couldn't suppress a shudder of pleasure.

realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 02:43:37 2008 No.652232

Epilogue

Waver decided to stay with the old couple a little longer. He decided to save up money and travel the world. He noticed Rider never took out the video game he bought so he tried it out.

Half a year later, Rin inherited the magical seal on her arm from her father's body. Kirei was there with her as her guardian. Her mom's there too, but she's on a wheel chair with a disabled mind. She doesn't even understand that her husband's dead and Sakura's gone. Kirei asks Rin if she needs any help, but she said she can handle things on her own. Kirei was hoping to see Rin in despair, but she was very strong minded. Coming up with a plan to entertain himself, he gives Rin the AZOTH knife that he killed her father with as a gift, saying he received from her father upon completion of his training. Rin takes that knife into her hands and drops a tear on it.

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>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:45:35 2008 No.652239 >>652224 >followup I mean leadup. FUCK. SORRY

realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 02:46:26 2008 No.652243

5 years later. Kiritsugu and Shirou are watching the moon.
"I wanted to become a hero of justice when I was a kid"
"What does that mean? Did you give up?"
"Yeah, it's sad but there's a time limit to heroes. After becoming an adult, it's difficult to be a hero. I should have realized that much earlier"
"That's too bad"
"Yeah, it can't be helped."
"Alright then, I'll be a hero in your place. You're an adult already, but I should be okay right?"
"Is that so? I'm glad"

Kiritsugu spent the rest of his life trying to get Ilya back knocking on the door to the Einzbern's castle in the blizzard, but Acht won't answer him. He could have killed Kiritsugu, but left him to rot and die instead, separated from his daughter.He traveled overseas several times when Shirou was young.

---Carry, what kind of adult do you want to be?---
She asks me that under the bright sunlight.
I don't want to ever lose that smile, that kindness.
This world is so beautiful, so I want this moment to be everlasting.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:47:23 2008 No.652246 >>652227 proceed...

>>	realize how shitty fsn is Anonymous Tue May 20 02:47:44 2008 No.652248 Have you realized how shitty fsn really is now??

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:48:07 2008 No.652250 >>652248 I always knew it.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:48:15 2008 No.652252

>>652224

>Lezard Valeth

I'm not into RPG's either.

>Too bad that in general, you couldn't give two shits about those characters. I won't deny that the same can be said of most of Tsukihime's "heroines", but damn, I was fucking glad and I laughed when that happened to Saber and Sakura. Not a good sign.

You pretty much answered what I would say with

>I won't deny that the same can be said of most of Tsukihime's "heroines"

This is really more about Nasu as a writer than the quality of one work over another.

>Yep. THe endings aren't the strong point in any of these games, it's mostly the followup. And that on the whole, is just plain better in Tsukihime (far side).

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:48:41 2008 No.652253 >>652248 Several times.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:50:04 2008 No.652257 >>652248 Have you realized by now just how pointless this all was and just how annoying the constant reiteration of an idea is? Ironically it could be considered as annoying as Shirou's POV by your logic.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:52:03 2008 No.652270 >>652252 7 (they were seven, right?) people fighting each other is not a huge war.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:52:20 2008 No.652271 >>652257 i don't understand what you mean

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:52:38 2008 No.652273 >>652270 Huge as in epic. Not huge as in quantity.

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:53:36 2008 No.652277

>>652252

>I dunno. I like the escalating characters conflicts and the plot of a huge war with people fighting each other. Really the fact was that you got all these heroic people from another time or place was really interesting.

I thought it was contrived and was wayyyy too fantasyish for my tastes. Especially with the overruse of magic. The main reason I like ASOIAF for example is because magic is nearly nonexistant, and if it ever pops up, bloody fucking hell, it fucks shit up.

>I'm not into RPG's either.

So if you don't read, don't play video games, where are you getting your story basis from?

Anime and manga? HAH.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:53:57 2008 No.652279 FSN is good. Tsukihime is also good. I personally prefer FSN but if you have a different opinion,you are entitled to it and I respect that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:53:58 2008 No.652280 Fate /zero >>> F/SN

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:54:49 2008 No.652286 >>652279 Why do you like that piece of shit in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:55:03 2008 No.652287 >>652248 Shit is shit, but is decent shit, there are worse V/N´s. I really don´t care since i´m not a fan (fucking long and having to play saber´s route to play Rin´s is not fun at all), I´m just GAR for archer and Gay for Rin.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:55:22 2008 No.652288

>>652271

This is completely pointless.

The only people who are agreeing with you are the people who have ALWAYS agreed with you. You haven't swayed anyone here to the thinking that your opinion > theirs.

And once more all of yours (and pretty much everyone else's here) as added up to F/SN sux cuz tsukihime is darker and more MATURE!!!!!11!1

Which, while a fine viewpoint when taken with a grain of salt. Gets pretty dry when it's repeated AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN LIKE YOU WON'T LET GO OF IT ALREADY.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:56:12 2008 No.652294 >>652280 >> Clannad,Ever 17, phantom of inferno, Tsukihime, Fate Zero, Planetarium, YMK, >>> Fsn

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:56:30 2008 No.652296

>And honestly Shirou's OP didn't annoy me at all. People constantly bitch about it but I just don't see it. The guy's mentally unstable and this is said throughout the games. Really it's no more annoying, to me anyway, than having to read Shiki go insane from whatever cause is inside him.

Those are practically the only parts of Tsukihime I really enjoyed. Especially if you kill Ciel.

Shirou's introspectives are nearly as bad as Arc's speeches, because I couldn't care less about his character at all. I don't really care that much for Shiki either, but at the very least, his freakouts are a different approach from the fucking moralfag that Shirou is.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:56:46 2008 No.652299 >>652286 Because it's entertaining.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:57:00 2008 No.652304 >>652288 I mostly do it because is a fact, and seeing people like you in denial and making shitty arguments is amusing.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:57:34 2008 No.652300 >>652277 >don't read I read. I read plenty of stories. I practically know all the themes and plots of most Shakespear plays off by heart. >video games Lol. How are Videogames better than manga and anime?

Anonymous Tue May 20 02:59:08 2008 No.652308

>>652288

>And once more all of yours (and pretty much everyone else's here) as added up to F/SN sux cuz tsukihime is darker and more MATURE!!!!!11!1

Nah, mostly because Tsukihime doesn't try to pull a generic "OMG EPIC HUEG" feel. F/SN's plot as a whole just feels childish to me (inb4 a few counter examples of some good scenes etc)

Tsukihime's near side is worse than F/SN, I'll pass, but the far side is superior for having some actual confusion and lolwut realizations.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 02:59:25 2008 No.652310 >>652273 It wasn´t epic, just a normal "war", just because they have superpowers and belong to different folklore doesn´t make this epic, is just an ero fan fic, instead of using media stuff they go with medieval legends.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 02:59:34 2008 No.652312 >>652304 >because is a fact Now I know you are either incredibly butthurt or a troll. Goodday sir. I hope you enjoy lalaland with buttercup bridges and licorice trees as much as I do.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:00:53 2008 No.652315 >>652151 I don't know, can you apply that to Hisui's route?

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 03:00:53 2008 No.652317 >>652310 >just because they have superpowers and belong to different folklore doesn´t make this epic And what would make something epic?

Anonymous Tue May 20 03:01:02 2008 No.652318

>>652300

>I read. I read plenty of stories. I practically know all the themes and plots of most Shakespear plays off by heart.

And you haven't read ASOIAF?

Riiiiight.

>video games

yeah fair point. The only ones with good plot I can think of are Silent Hill 2 and Planescape Torment, but typically presentation can really up the quality of a story in a game and immerse you better than a typical anime. It's just the closest thing to a VN I could get an example of since you're going on about your XPERT KNOWLEDGE.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:02:29 2008 No.652323 >>652312 i don't understand what you're saying, Fate zero > fsn is a fact, is not even my opinion.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 03:03:35 2008 No.652328

>ASOIAF

*shrug*

Not everyone can read the same books you do. I'll definitely get around to it. I just haven't gotten the opportunity.

>yeah fair point. The only ones with good plot I can think of are Silent Hill 2 and Planescape Torment, but typically presentation can really up the quality of a story in a game and immerse you better than a typical anime. It's just the closest thing to a VN I could get an example of since you're going on about your XPERT KNOWLEDGE.

Dude neither of us have XPERT KNOWLEDGE here.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 03:05:10 2008 No.652338

>>652323

Then what is your opinion?

Lemme tell you what IS fact. The quality of something is ALWAYS an opinion. Every view is subjective and every work's "quality" is always an agreement of a majority or minority.

FZ > FSN is the major opinion of most people here but that "fact" hardly proves that FSN is shit.

Anonymous Tue May 20 03:06:25 2008 No.652341

>>652288
Well here´s my opinion if it makes you feel better, both, Tsukihime and FS/N aren´t that good, they´re huge walls of text, mostly boring walls of text and for some (unknown to me) reason, they´re overhyped as fuck.

Fate has extra points for having Rin (An archer is fine too but i´m not into guys) but fucking sucks for having boring Saber. For Tsukihime the only one i really liked was Hisui (an Akiha is fine too, poor girl, has no good ends, that´s sad).

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 03:07:55 2008 No.652348 >>652341 That's all I wanted to hear.

Anonymous Tue May 20 03:10:22 2008 No.652355

>>652328

>*shrug*

>Not everyone can read the same books you do. I'll definitely get around to it. I just haven't gotten the opportunity.

It's not that you haven't read it that surprises me, it's that you haven't read it and claim to be such a huge fucking bookworm, and you like fantasy. That really raises doubts.

>Dude neither of us have XPERT KNOWLEDGE here.

You're sure acting like it.

Inb4, NO U.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:13:00 2008 No.652369 >>652355 Also, extensive manipulation is something that contributes.

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 03:13:24 2008 No.652367

>>652355

>It's not that you haven't read it that surprises me, it's that you haven't read it and claim to be such a huge fucking bookworm, and you like fantasy. That really raises doubts.

I don't recall claiming I was a HUGE FUCKING BOOKWORM to be honest...

I read books. It's just that I do so at a casual pace. Ergo: Whenever I'm not studying, posting on 4chan, playing videogames or just doing whatever the fuck else fat nerds like me do.

>You're sure acting like it.

Well we're all arrogant dickwads to some extent.

>Something along the lines of the Legacy of Kain series- oh wait, you won't have played it. :\

That you're right.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:15:07 2008 No.652371 >sucks for having boring Saber

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:15:30 2008 No.652374 >sucks for having boring Saber >only one i really liked was Hisui wat

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 03:15:55 2008 No.652376 >>652369 This isn't really extensive manipulation to someone like me. Really I've seen trolls who manipulate boards better. 'Course I'm feeding him but this is 4chan so yea.

Anonymous Tue May 20 03:15:55 2008 No.652377

>>652367

>I don't recall claiming I was a HUGE FUCKING BOOKWORM to be honest...

>. I practically know all the themes and plots of most Shakespear plays off by heart.

:\

>Hey whatever works for you man.

THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS YOU FUCKING FAGGOT.

TH

Anonymous Tue May 20 03:16:44 2008 No.652381

>>652317
Interesting question and is hard to answer. I just watched the new chronicles of Narnia and there was a (sorry for spoilers but i don´t know how to use the tag in 4chan) a scene with this archer girl, she had to leave her sister go alone into the forest to save her and buy her some time fighting the soldiers that were chasing them. She was standing alone, facing the woods with her bow in hand and an arrow ready to kill it´s prey.

I tought, if she died (after being hit by some arrows but still standing) that was going to be the most epic shit i´ve ever seen in a movie like Narnia. Too bad fucking caspian came out of nowhere (hi horse has to be pretty h4x for being able to go from their "base" to where she was in half a second) and saved her when she was about to be beheaded... i facepalmed so hard then.

My point, i can´t define what´s epic for me, it has to be a certain scene that makes me feel excited and for me, there were no epic moments in Fate (neither in tsukihime)

Also, i forgot to add this on my last comment but both, shiki and shirou both suck for me, happy?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:17:21 2008 No.652385 >>652376 I'm talking in terms of fiction you retard. I like extensive manipulation in a story that is presented in a method that makes it impossible to see.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 03:17:36 2008 No.652386 >>652377 Themes and plots. I can't quote the thing word-per-word like my dad can. >THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS YOU FUCKING FAGGOT. It's cool bro.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:18:00 2008 No.652392 >>652386 Being able to explain the plot and theme of every single Shakesperian play off the top of your head is very bookwormish.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 03:18:43 2008 No.652389 >>652385 Oh sorry that was my bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:18:46 2008 No.652390 >>652341 >fucking sucks for having boring Saber >For Tsukihime the only one i really liked was Hisui Hahaha, oh wow. 'Cause Hisui definitely wasn't the most boring Type-Moon heroine ever, right? lol

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:19:25 2008 No.652395 >>652390 She had a fingerlicking fetish that was pretty hot and original.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:20:25 2008 No.652400 >>652390 That goes to Arc.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue May 20 03:22:25 2008 No.652409 >>652392 Hyperbole. When I say "every one" I mean more like the best well known ones. Mostly Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Caesar, Merchant of Venice and Midsummer Nights dream. Maybe Othello if you gave me a moment to think about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:23:25 2008 No.652413 >>652409 Then blame yourself for the misunderstanding, every one is completely different from "well known" ones.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 06:10:59 2008 No.653181 >>652409 So... basically, you're saying you have the same passing knowledge of obscenely well-known Shakespeare works as a high schooler?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 06:11:59 2008 No.653195 >>653181 Correction : >>junior high schooler

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