/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

New Umineko Ougon thread since I couldn't find one on the first 10 pages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=862GKbHFCuI&feature=player_embedded
^
New game play video.

http://07th-expansion.net/ogon/Main.htm

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, so are they using anime voices or just imitators?

[Anonymous !wM5G0xiB/Q No.]

>>6499744
>Battler molesting Kanon
.. I hate that attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>half the moves have "elegant" or "perfect" in them
Ronove, so dreamy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499756
Same but Battler some other attacks which look cool.

>>6499753
Full anime cast. Hopefully with voices for some characters we haven't had voices for yet (like Furfur and Zepar).

[Anonymous No.]

That's a lot of speaking during battle done by the characters. It's like half as much as Blazblue, which is still a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499760
Of course, he's the perfect and elegant maid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499764
Oh, okay. Kanon definitely sounded like Kobayashi Yuu, but Battler just sounded off.

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>6499765
Yeah, they should tone that down a bit, it's annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone able to translate this, to see if Virgillia has any non-spear spam moves?

[Anonymous No.]

Elegant Sway

Elegant Cutter
Innocent Rose
Elegant Shield
Enchant Shield

Elegant Twister
Rose of Queen
Perfect Shield
Enchant Shield Max

Elegant and Genocide

Devil of Devils

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499784
>Brimful
I'd fill Virgilia to the brim with cum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499765
Maria would be fun going uu~ uuu~ the entire match.

[Anonymous No.]

Maining a Bronove/ Kanon team. It will be fabulous!

[Lyper !!DOAuUa6S9tk No.]

>>6499804
Ronove/Shannon for me.

Shannon > Kanon

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499784
Well, it looks like she has the elegent "I'm drinking my tea while pounding your ass" move, which isn't spear spamming

[Lyper !!DOAuUa6S9tk No.]

The game seems a tad slow.

Hisoutensoku seems 10 times faster than this.

[Anonymous No.]

Battler/410 for sure. Maybe Ronove/410.
No matter what I can't not use her.
Dos grins.
Dos ears.
Dos goddamn legs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499824
The constant character portraits and huge health bars probably. Or are you talking about framerate and such?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499830
It's a lot slower paced as a whole. Soku's startups definitely have a lot less frames than everything I've seen in this.
Still, I am pretty fucking ready for it.

[Lyper !!DOAuUa6S9tk No.]

>>6499830
Huge health bar and the combo system seems to be less ''linked combo'', which leads to slower gameplay.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm still quite angry over the lack of Rosa. She would've been a great character to use.

[Lyper !!DOAuUa6S9tk No.]

>>6499839
>>6499830
Yeah also, don't get me wrong, it's not a bad thing by itself, it is just different.

I wonder if I should order it off amiami or just download it.

Also, I know it's not the thread but I don't want to make one to bother people, but I noticed a game for PS3. As far as I know, it's a fully voiced and animated ep 1-8 of the VN, right? I would fucking kill for it translated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499844
order it so we will have a higher chance for an expansion pack with Erika and Dlanor

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>6499827
I think I'll go with 410/Virgilia or 410/BROnove

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499844
>s far as I know, it's a fully voiced and animated ep 1-8 of the VN,
ep1-4 only, but yes, it is fully voiced, aside from narration

[Anonymous No.]

More love for 410?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499863
She is the best Umineko.

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

410/Battler it seems for me.

But damn, Bronove is right up there.

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

spammin' all day erryday

[Anonymous No.]

We'll get 410's full moveset tommorow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499884
Beautiful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499884
Forgot pic

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6499884
Have we gotten Battora's, yet?

Or is Sommelier Finger just a guess for the best Super, ever?

[Anonymous No.]

Not that I really care because it is all for the better.

But when did they change the date from C80 to C79?
I could have sworn it said C80 before they had updated the site.

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>6499894
His and beato's were the first movesets released.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499894
http://07th-expansion.net/ogon/character.html

http://07th-expansion.net/ogon/character_batora.html

Enjoy (if you can read Jap)

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499899
I've heard others saying C80 but I've always assumed it was C79.

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6499900
Of course, silly me.

Anyway, I hope Rosa worms her way in, somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499909
Bag of gold in one hand, daughter and shotgun in the other, saving the day. She'd easily be top tier.

[Anonymous No.]

>Battler molesting Kanon

Can't stop lolling

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6499920
As long as worldenddominator blares during a desperate last stand, she could be shit-tier for all I care.

[Anonymous No.]

I agree that the tracks were kind of suitable from the beginning, but I am still kind of suprised to see how they haven't modified/edited the tracks in the slightest for this.

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6499939
There's not much to improve on but, a few fast paced mixes would be nice.

[Anonymous No.]

Games seems kinda slow and clunky in general. Good sprites, not so good animation/frames. Seeing the damage output, pace and meter management etc, does not make me very excited, fightan wise.
But I guess there is always a chance to polish the game and update.
I mean, look at Melty

[Lyper !!DOAuUa6S9tk No.]

I wonder how was Hisoutensoku at realease vs now(Well, Hisouten actually)

[Anonymous No.]

Guh.
I can't decide whether or not I want to follow these threads. I mean, I do because it's a new fighting game, and fighting games are my everything, and I've always had a distant interest in Umineko, and I want to know what all is going to be in it and junk, but I'm playing through it for the first time right now and I don't want everything to be ruined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499962
Soku at release was pretty much the same as it is now. They rebalanced characters and skills a little bit from 1.03->1.10, but the pacing and mechanics didn't change at all (with the possible exception of most characters losing the start-up graze on some of their dash attacks).

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499962
HYPE!

New spellcards, much needed weather changes (although, still no No Weather option), and the game was adding two characters to the roster players were begging for since SWR, Cirno and China!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500014
>Much needed weather changes

River Mist.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=862GKbHFCuI&feature=player_embedded

Can anyone identify the BMG playing in thi video. i don't recognize it from the Umineko OST.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to use this move over and over and over and over and over and over and then finish up with this>>6499812

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500111
Indeed, i don't recognize it either.

[Anonymous No.]

Seems like a shallow combat system that focuses on looking flashy with few technicals and reversals, ie. Fate Unlimited Codes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500111
>>6500170

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkauAVC8Py0

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499899
It said C79 from day 1 since the page was up

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500261
You are sure?
I believed myself to be perfectly sure of it saying C80 when it was just Battler and Beatrice at the character screen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500458
It said C79 before that page was even up

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500176
What about it is shallow?

>with few technicals and reversals
That's a very good thing, otherwise you end up with an overly defensive game like SF4. If you like mashing out dps mid block-string and randomly getting reversals, whatever, go play that. But it doesn't make a fighting system deep.

[Anonymous No.]

In other news
translation: 82%

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

Plane tickets at the ready, I'm so getting this plus Episode eight at comiket. Also wondering if "tsubasa" is worth it... but I'll probably get it just for the heck of it.

[Anonymous No.]

That's it, my team will be Virgilia-Ange. Suplexan, goat summonan, tea drinkan. All day, every day.

[Anonymous No.]

Ange/EVA for me

[Anonymous No.]

is it just me or they are overusing the cut-ins?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501265
My team will be Virgilia-410. Spamming spears, spamming arrows, tea drinkan. All day, every day, ~nyeh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501290
Everything that uses SP will have cut in's

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501281

Same.

Or EVA/EVA vs EVA/EVA

Though Virgilia kicking asses while drinking tea is making me think it twice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501326
I don't think it's possible to use two of the same characters in your team. It would also give you less profit when you enter the Meta-World, because you would only gain one ability instead of two of them.

>>6501309
I'd like to note that Meta-World supers don't spend SP, but still have cut-ins. Kinda compensated by the cut-in when you enter the Meta-World.

[Anonymous No.]

Think there'll be any infamous lines like SUGOI SUGOI

[TODBOB !8Wa6OGPmD2 No.]

>>6501384
OAAAAAHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501384
maybe
Ange's "See you again, have a nice dream."

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499744
Is it just me or is Battler giving his sister the titty-attack in that video

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501464
I'm surprised you have no problem with him performing the same attack on Kanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501475
Kanon is androgynous enough that it doesn't actually seem like that big a deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501475
doing it on your sister is immoral

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501384
Whenever Chester is fighting it's all NYEH NYEH NYEH NYEH NYEH NYEH NYEH NYEH NYEH NYEH

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501500
It's annoying, because my raging hard-on is going to distract from concentrating on the fight

[Anonymous No.]

>people complaining about no rosa
Gaap would be a much more interesting character with her portals

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501584
But Rosa is Rosa.

[Anonymous No.]

Still hoping for Erika and Dlanor based on the fact that there are two empty slots on the character page. Kinzo with DESIRE FIRE, Dragon Transformation, and Demon Roulette would be great as well.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, where is the roster on the site?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501693
http://07th-expansion.net/ogon/character.html

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6501702
One slot for 410 and..

Who could be no.12?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501661

>Two empty slots
>Possibility for two not shown characters
>When Chiester and EVA slots aren't still filled

You were trolling, right?

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6501718
Oh right, Eva.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501721

How do you dare to forget best witch ever?

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6501734
Beatrice's pose is distracting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500487
You have never played SSFIV if you think it's a defensive game or that you can 'mash out' reversals. They add more depth to an otherwise basic game and certain dynamics can change.

I mean, look at Unlimited Codes: the whole thing is entirely unbalanced and is just focused on looking flashy, so once you get hit in a combo througha random poke, you can go make dinner and it won't be over. Melty Blood on the other hand, has little to no depth which is why it's not respected in the fighting community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501718

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501757
melty was at EVO

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6501769
That wouldn't be the first character select screen to be uneven.

You're making assumptions, unless there are two static coffins added, don't be too hopeful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6499784

Virgilia

Set Magic Circle
Attacks:
Crucifixion (after setting the magic circle)
Holy Spear Gungnir
Obedient Goat Servants
SP Attacks:
Holy Spear Crucifixion (after setting the magic circle)
Holy Hammer Mjöllnir
Obedient Goat Servants (Rush Hour by Goats)
SP-only Attack:
Fallen Tower
Melee Attack:
Magic Item Show
Meta-field Attack:
Summon Odin

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501788
>That wouldn't be the first character select screen to be uneven.
Do you have an example of uneven selection screen on another fighting game's site

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501788
Why else wouldn't they simply make it 5x2 for the website? I guarantee there are two more characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501757
Just curious, where can I read a review of soku from a fighting game perspective?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm sure they'll be expansions.

We'll get Bern, Lambda, Erika, Jessica, and hopefully Gohda soon enough,

[Anonymous No.]

DESIRE FIRE

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501831
I'd say getting Jessica and George is almost inevitable.

If this is a team fighter, it'd make sense for Jessica and Kanon and George and Shannon to have some hyper combo together.

Well that or in episode 8 TEH TRUE CULRPIT!!1 will have a ridiculous Meta-mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501846
I doubt they will have some combo attack, but they will probably have to fight as a pair in story mode

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501769

The two rectangles are not coffins. Did you forgot Zepar and Furfur are too in the video? most surely they are some sort of non playable supporting characters. They go in both rectangles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501864
I drew the rectangles myself to point out the extra space.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501872

Whatever. It doesn't change the fact Zepar and Furfur are there. If the space means anything, that's it.

[Anonymous No.]

Slowpoke, I know.
But holy shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501864
>most surely they are some sort of non playable supporting characters.
what?
and the game heavily relies on using both characters. SP only recharges for the one resting

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501757
SSF4 is a defensive game. Crouch teching is its biggest offender for its defensive style of play.

>>6501811
http://zenosip.blogspot.com/

Xenozip breaks it down very well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501893

I meant guiding you through the menu or the story mode or some shit. Basically what they do in EP6.

[Anonymous No.]

What fighting game nowadays doesn't have secret character(s)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501769
Those two blank squares sure are strange.

[Anonymous No.]

With Chiru expansions, Erika, Dlanor, and Will are the obvious shoo-ins to be added. Gaap, Rosa, the cousins, and Kinzo would be nice, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501976
What would Kinzo's moves consist of? Drunken boxing? Throwing bottles of absinthe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501998
And dropping gold bars on people. And igniting in their faces. And turning into a FUCKING DRAGON.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501917
Super Street Fighter IV

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501998

He could summon Siestas or random demons. Yes, Siestas, not Chiesters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502051
So he could somehow conjure the Spanish spirit of naps on the battlefield?

[Anonymous No.]

GENOCIDE CUTTER

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502031
thats not a fighting game

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501998

DESIRE FIRE
Dragon Transformation
Demon Roulette

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501899
That was the most retarded analysis of hisoutensoku I've ever read
But since he himself stated he doesn't play it much, I'll let it be

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501757
Sure SF has way more depth than Melty Blood except for the part where you can use air dash, shield, double jump, dodge, tech, block in the air, do press and mixup that arent poke poke throw/shitty overhead, and actually space.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501889
BLOOD KAIN!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501917
Secret characters are a thing of the past. Ssf4, bbcs, ggac, kof 12, Soku, mbaa, none of them have any (ok mbaa has a joke one).

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6502118
Street Fighter IV is Street Fighter II with more characters, better graphics and minor gameplay tweaks.

You either love it or hate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmt09SloUY0

Shannon's boobs bounce even in the character portrait that pops up every time you use a special

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6502144
I just noticed Battler is not wearing his waistcoat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502136
Actress Again has Seifuku Akiha, Kohaku & Mech, Neco & Mech, Neco Chaos and Archetype: Earth

[Anonymous No.]

Please tell me I'm not the only person that's noticed 34, Gaap and Bern here.

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6502175
Battler's also wearing his cape and waistcoat but, disappears when he's fighting.

I wouldn't make much of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502136
>KOF12

Stopped reading there!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502175
I see 34 and Gaap, and a Siesta (can't tell which though) but I'm missing Bern.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502319

The Siesta is 00.

Bern is in the chair next to gap. You can see the outline of her head and also her ribbon's color underneath the text. A bit difficult to see though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502136
Soku has secret characters. Play the story mode, fool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502319
>>6502391
check'em

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502319

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502405
>>6502410
Dem Fragments

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502410
I really like how they made Lucifer. She looks really great in that picture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501784
And it had a small gathering than most other games (except BlazBlue lol). Being at Evo doesn't mean much when the entire community regards it as 'simple' and SSBM got in.

>>6501899
SF isn't a defensive game. If you are playing defensive as any character other than a select few (like Sim or Guile), you will just get frame trapped and die. I suggest you watch Evo and SoCal regionals and tell me that it's a defensive game.

>>6502118
>Sure SF has way more depth than Melty Blood except for the part where you can use air dash, shield, double jump, dodge, tech, block in the air, do press and mixup that arent poke poke throw/shitty overhead, and actually space.
Oh please. It suffers from Blazblue syndrome in that it tries to add a lot of things that just make the game more complicated without doing much. The only thing that makes it decent strategic wise are techs and mixups, which are present in other games as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502405
>EVA in background
There, now people can stop whining that they've seen certain characters in backgrounds

[Anonymous No.]

If there are going to be two secret characters, who does everyone hope it'll be?

I'm hoping for Bern and Lambda, if it's EP 1-4 exclusive (because that scythe)

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502579
>>6501784
Please enlighten someone who doesn't play enough fighting games what EVO is

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502635
Bern
Dlanor
Kinzo
Rosa
Will
Jessica
George
Gaap
MARIA

The only possible candidates.Lambda never did a magic fight so yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502652
Just a tournament. The biggest one in the US.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502635
Lambda has never fought

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502579
>when the entire community regards it as 'simple'
Now I am not all that fond of Melty Blood either, even though I can play it and find gain lots of entertainment from it.
So I won't argue either for or against your point on this matter.

I will however jump on your argument.
I haven't posted about any of the games previously in this thread, but this "community" you speak of is really not the only one with any "credit" so to speak, and certainly not the only one overall.

When you point to the Evo community without further ellaboration, I bet you are in fact referring the "SF crowd".
Now I am not saying the SF fans are bad in anyway, but I am saying that they aren't necessarily pros on the fighting game genre even if they are good at their game. In fact many of them don't even play other fighting games at all, so it really isn't saying much.

They are the kind of people who wouldn't even touch Arcana Heart due to all the pink colors and young girls in frilly clothes, and are as a result missing out on what is in fact a terrific fighting game.
This is what the majority of the SF crowd is like, so the fact that the SF crowd is the biggest doesn't really strengthen their opinions in anyway.

It is also funny when people such as those critisize say Arcana Heart to take the previous example, as being a horrible game, considering the immense sucess it has had at the Japanese arcades, and now Arc System Works are betting on it, indicating that they believe in the title as well in one way or another. And for some reason people usually aren't as quick to judge Arc System Works (even though they often did in the past).
The communities over seas are in fact different, and there is no reason to look down on their opinions as if they are inferior or anything.
And if there are two communities with opposing opinions? Then what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502662
My point is basically that referring to a community's point of view, without further ellaboration, instead of in detail explaining your own line of thought, is a really lousy way of "strengthening" your argument.
That is all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502652
The SBO of America. Just the biggest and well known fighting game tournament in America.

[Anonymous No.]

Prophercy time for those wondering "WHERE THE HELL IS CHARACTER XX?"

3000 yen is a big price for a half-doujin game but this shit will sell. Watch them release part 2 with Dlanor, Erika, Bern, 34 and others during C80/C81.

[Anonymous No.]

Without trying to start a powerlevel debate to a level similar of the nasuverse, who would be considered the strongest, Featherine, lambda, or someone else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502686
Lambda

/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502680
Hopefully, it starts off like Melty Blood and gets big and popular to the point that it gets ported to arcades, possibly consoles, and starts becoming a tournament worthy fighting game.

All depends on balancing, degree of difficulty, and the speed of the game for success imo. While Melty Blood got away with stupid infinites back then, I doubt Umineko would be able do the same and remain popular as a fighting game. Or they can take the Arcana Hearts route, remain mediocre forever but have a shitton of fanservice, but I hope they don't take that route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502686
Featherine, obviously.
She even casually proclaimed that she would give Ange protection from anyone, even Lambda

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502686
Featherine. She's implied to have a hell of a lot of power, and if she isn't a Creator witch she's pretty damn close.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502713
> Promise to give protection to Ange
> Ange gets burger'd again in the following Episode
Nice one, Featherine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502662
I already said why MBAA is not considered a serious fighting game. However, this is not only from the SSFIV crowd, but by anyone. THere's a reason why MBAA is generally a side event considered along such games as Tekken 6, which few people play. SSFIV is by far the most popular game out there because of being simple to learn, yet extremely difficult to master. It's appeal lies in the fact that it doesn't throw in technical stuff like GGAC or MBAA, but has a variety of depth that those games don't possess.

There's a reason why MBAA and Unlimited Codes (as well as most doujin games) aren't popular, it's because they pose little depth outside of technicalities.

>>6502579
I'd like to add that SSFIV is still not defensive in nature. Look up the Alex Valle vs Daigo matchup in SoCal. From the average person's POV, it looks like a defensive spamming game with fireballs everywhere. Anyone with high level knowledge of the game will tell you that it's intense because that entire match revolved around zoning, denying, teching, poking, building up meter, and guess work. THat level of play is rarely seen in other fighting games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502732
Except MBAA is popular.

Oops. There went your whole argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502734
>Popular
>Present at 50% of fighting tournaments
>Never the main show
>Considered a side show against the likes of DoA (lolwut) and Tekken

Popular with the fanbase yet, considered straightfoward with no depth by everyone? Yes. Oops, there goes your reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502732
I like how your argument is that it's too complex to have any depth. Are you from Bizarro Earth?

[Anonymous No.]

It would be difficult to make a fighting game worse than SF4. Popularity has nothing to do with how good a game is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502767
Because complex = depth.
That's a fallacy right there and you know it. No one is saying this game is bad, I'm just saying that if you think it has the same amount of depth as SSFIV, you're insane.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502713
Featherine granted Jessica protection according to Natsuhi's motherday TIP.

Fat load of good it did Jessica...

[Anonymous No.]

SSFIV has more depth than GGAC? What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502732
You just grouped MBAA with Unlimited codes.
MBAA being the one who started as a Doujin game.
Unlimited Codes being the one made by the same people who made the fucking Bleach fighting game.
It is not as if anyone thought UC would be good considering that.

Now I haven't argued for MB one bit, but I would say that it is popular enough, perhaps just not at Evo.

But you really make it sound as if intense "zoning, denying, teching, poking, building up meter, and guess work." isn't what GGAC and AH3 are about as well.

I have seen plenty of high level play of various SF games, I have followed them for years after all.
But it just sounds as if you haven't seen enough high level play outside of SF yourself. It exists, that I can tell you, and there is plenty of it.
That level of high play is actually seen in those games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502732
>but has a variety of depth that those games don't possess.
You are aware of how depth isn't some absolute thing right?
And how things can have great depth in different ways, different kinds of depth.

Your argument sounds like the ones claiming that only one music genre can be deep, because the others lack that certain something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502732
0/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502805
>Your argument sounds like the ones claiming that only one music genre can be deep, because the others lack that certain something.
My argument is that MBAA doesn't have the amount of depth that other games do. Am I saying that it has no depth at all and is worse than SCIV? No. Am I saying that it is too flawed to be considered a serious fighting game rather than a 'character' game? Yes.

Let's compare closer to home then, since you think I'm being narrow-minded. Tell me, what does this game do better than GG? Actually, how does it have more depth than GG?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502732
Your entire post lost credability when you criticized GG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502825
And it can't be serious if it doesn't surpass GG?
What are you getting at here?

Because you are getting dangerously close to saying that Street Fighter is not serious either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502826
Only one (maybe 2) version of that game was balanced.
I get the feeling that no one here actually knows anything about fighting games and are just in it to be 'underground' (GG) or because they are otakus (MB).

Whatever, I'm going to go play Blazblue. Have fun not presenting any valid points while constantly spouting, "IT DOES HAVE DEPTH IT DOES".

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502840
Your original point was that each game has different 'depths' and to compare them was stupid. So I picked two games that have similar fighting systems (except MB has a vastly limited offensive game) and asked you to compare them, and now you're saying that that proves nothing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502842
>Blazblue
Confirmed for troll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502842
U MAD?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502852
>>6502863
Get out of here /v/, you're not wanted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502842
Yeah Guily Gear was horrible in the beginning, no denying that.
But the latest ones, the ones that are played today, those are great.
But yes, the oldest ones are intolerable, and the ones after that weren't that great at all.
Only the latest ones are the ones who are great, yes you are right.

So they have done a great job patching, shitty beta-testing and simply let the players do the testing fot them.
But the end result has been great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502878
Because Street Fighter has never done anything like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502849
So you claim they are similair?
I wouldn't really agree at all.

Arcana Heart has far more similarities with Guilty Gear than Melty Blood.

But I won't claim that Melty Blood is better than GG.
I will however claim that the focus of MM is different than the one in GG and that the end result is a different kind/style of game with a different depth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502885
Never claimed otherwise, why did you get that impression?
I just pointed out that it is no secret that GG was bad in the beginning, and that the "GG" posted was of course not pointing towards the older games.

[Anonymous No.]

> This thread
> Talk of fighting game terminology that I have no idea about
> Discussion of depth in fighting game engines
All I want to know is: Will I have fun if all I want to do is shoot stuff with 410?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502916
Yes, most likely.
Unless the flow of the game turns out to be exceptionally below par, it should still be good enough for amusement even if it ends up below par compared to other games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502916
If you plan on just mashing, no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500176
> Seems like a shallow combat system that focuses on looking flashy with few technicals and reversals, ie. Fate Unlimited Codes
Of course it focuses on looking flashy. This is Umineko, the magic fights are SUPPOSED to be flashy!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502916
You can have fun with any fighting game and anything bro.
It's just that there are ignorant people who can't stand seeing their game not being well liked by the fighting community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502928
I'm not THAT much of a casual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502932
You're new at trolling, aren't you? See, you have to be subtle when you conflate other people's opinions with whatever bullshit you're spewing. It can also help to delete your posts where you make retarded claims to begin with that result in people pointing out your crap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502934
Well I was just saying assuming what you gave us, which was nothing. You should have fun

Never understood why people mash though for certain games. Doesn't seem fun at all relying on random inputs

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502942
9/10

Almost fell for it. Then I realized you never provided any valid points throughout the entire thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502090
> Damage
oh hey they fixed it!

[Anonymous No.]

Has Ange's hair always been that long?
For some reason, I thought it was only one or two inches below shoulder length...

[Anonymous No.]

Battler groping Kanon.
My life is complete..

[Anonymous No.]

>>6503669
We need Kumasawa and George in-game for more jokes of the same type.

[Shampoo !!+q+CrbXRywk No.]

Im so hyped for this game.
Also new's from the translation of ep7?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504144
They're more than 80% as their latest forum post.
Expect a release like ast year.

[Shampoo !!+q+CrbXRywk No.]

>>6504153
well it seem ryukishi it´s a bit bussy.
I can't be more happy

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504154
>bussy

[Shampoo !!+q+CrbXRywk No.]

>>6504180
sorry man,english isn't my native language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6503133
But why would they do that? It was a nice pun of Battler's catchphrase.

[Anonymous No.]

Still no translations for Shannon and Kanon's moves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504273
Neither is ours, but some effort doesn't hurt.

[Shampoo !!+q+CrbXRywk No.]

>>6504319
Ok,i'll try to do my best effort.

[Anonymous No.]

bump ;__;

[Anonymous No.]

Waiting for another gameplay for Ougon

[Anonymous No.]

It'll be released pretty soon right along with 410 and EVA movesets?

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twPWf9hSrQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504903
SECRET CHARACTERS
Whoever noticed to the two empty spaces is God tier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504903
>Virgilia Spear Spamming

That kinda bothers me, but I'm sure there's a way for everyone to get through it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504903
That Virgilia lady really looks like someone I can get along with!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504933
As soon as I saw that I thought "God am I going to hate Virigillia".

Worldend Dominator was fucking-epic tier as BGM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504903
Virgillia got annoying with spamming that one attack and saying the same thing like 10 times.
Got surprised by Shannon's big attack, looks pretty good, but I lol'd when I saw the goats running her over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504903
MAGICAL GOHDA CHEF CONFIRMED

>>6504926
It wasn't that hard to deduce, anyways.

>>6504933
Yeah, especially if you consider that she got punished by Siesta the very first time we've seen it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504903
2:10
>METAFIELD
>COUNTER METAFIELD
>COUNTER-COUNTER METAFIELD

Looks like fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Pretty sure those last two spots will be Bern and Gaap or Jessica and George.
I just want my Jessica. And Bern. or Gaap. But I want Jessica.
;_;

[Anonymous No.]

Cakes confirmed as not a lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504953
What is this clusterfuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504951
Jessica and Rosa would be tops.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know whats up with the two coffins in the center? Are they just random selection buttons or something?

[Brando !SAKUYAGURU No.]

>>6504953

Who is she fighting? Palette-swapped Chiester?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504986

Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

I want my Bern ;__;

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504903

>Spear spam

Oh man I lol'd it's like they're simply trolling the people who wanted to see more of Virgillia's moveset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504975
Doesn't seem to be the case, since when the character is selecting players, it goes passed them. Either just placeholders with no apparent reason, or more hidden characters which is unlikely since the other two have question marks. Unless of course the question marks are random.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish they put every single character and oriented the game on the duality reality/magic, so humans could have the upper hand in the real world with their close-combat fighting and witches/demons could have the upper hand in the magic world with their spells and shit
Still, this game looks fun enough, I will definetly try it

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504903
Either these guys are really terrible at fighting games or there's not much depth in the way of defense. Didn't see actual high/low business going on or any IBing.
Former's a distinct possibility, even I could see combos dropped or ignored. Unless my GG eyes and common sense are failing me and you can't get a combo off of an counterhit AA or something bewildering like that.
I sure hope they just suck.
And spearspam with goat shoryukens, oh boy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505019
But we did see lots of her moves, including the hammer, the regular goat special, etc. etc. This video is four times the length of the last one, so the spear spam did leave enough time for everything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505033
>Either these guys are really terrible at fighting games or there's not much depth in the way of defense.
Pretty ironic, since the video stars the team of two most defense-oriented characters in the whole damn series. Guess they're just not that easy to play (even though Ronove has that barrier dash from the very first trailer).

Just noticed dat Evatrice walk at 0:24. So fucking moe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505033
I'm going to give the players in the vid the benefit of the doubt and say they're probably not completely familiar with the system yet.

Speaking of which, during the the constant metafield switching at 2:10 you can see Eva's Metafield meter drain to 0 when Ronove shatters it, but it fully recovers when she activates it again. What do you think is going on there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505055
I guess that the Meta-Field gauge drain is part of the cancel effect, but, since Evatrice cancels the cancel, it comes back (though it's more like it's never been drained in the first place).

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505060
It could be that. It makes a bit of sense if they're inputting it during the super freeze and it actually freezes meters as well as frames.
It also might be something like PoFV deal where if you're getting absolutely fucked you get a free level 4. Except in this it's more like if they metafield while you're really, really low you get a free metafield.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505060
She activates a new meta-field. Cancelling a meta-field activation also takes 2 gauges.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505103
If she had activated the Meta-Field once more, it would take her just one gauge, while she actually loses two of them.

Can anyone translate Lia's ability info? I have a feeling it's related in some way.

[Anonymous No.]

Looks like Sakutarou ALSO has a grope attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505107
My bad, she activated a special after the field.

Then I guess reactivating causes 2 gauges, and still replenishes your meta-field timer.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok, this seriously doesn't look half bad.

Do we have any info ont he developers? They art to have some kind of previous experience with this stuff shouldn't they?
Or do we have to wait until it is released and we get the credits or what?

I am not all that great at navigating in Japanese, but I feel as if I should be able to find the people involved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505070
Am I the only who read that move as "Usagi LOLing" instead of rolling? It fits her too much.

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

dem overlapping voices

[Anonymous No.]

While the voiced do not bother me, they could've at least put a small check if the character was still speking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505112
That is an innocent hug oh perverted anon.

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>6505175
I'd hug the girl with the jiggly breasts, if you catch my drift.

[Anonymous No.]

>Yay finally a Virgilia gameplay
>SPAM SPAM SPAM
>mfw i wanted to main her until Bern comes out

Fuck this i'm maining Evatrice/410

[Anonymous No.]

Now the question ofthe year anons WEho will be the 2 secret characters?

I hopé they are not a morepowerful battler orbeatrice...

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505194
gaap maria

[Anonymous No.]

Secret characters are Kinzo and Erika
http://07th-expansion.net/ogon/character.html

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>6505195
>Kinzo

Oh how I wish this was true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505194
The only good answer

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505199
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.]

I want my Gaap

[Anonymous No.]

Eva air dashes at 2:20 in video 4

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505223
Well yeah, it's mentioned in her move list.

[Anonymous No.]

So the character abillities are simple passive abillities, right?
So any idea on wether or not you benefit from them even while the character is off screen (aka reserve)?

Also, any idea on how those bars right under the time corresponds to things?
I noticed it going up and down a lot when people were doing all that meta-world summoning/shattering thing, but I also noticed how that wasn't the only thing that seemed to affect it.

And any idea of how the meta-world works? Does it benefit all the characters, or just the team/character who summoned it?
What does it do really? Let you do those supers? Enabling those character abillities?
I noticed how those "eagle counters" are used for both special attacks and that world shifting thing, so why go meta-world in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505231

Metafield only benefits the one who did it and lets them do their Ultimate (Shannon's lightning, Beato's towers, Battler's blue truth laser, etc)

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505231
You get both characters abilities while in meta-field but you only get the active characters otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505231
Basically, entering the Meta-World grants you (and only you) both of your characters' abilities and allows you to use their Meta-World moves (for no cost other than entering the Meta-World). The gauge below the timer is the Meta-World gauge, and it shows you how much time can you spend there. If it's red, you may activate it by spending one stock of your SP gauge.

Another way to gain your characters' abilities is by switching characters by a regular Touch. If you do, your now-first character gains the ability of your now-second character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504903
I lol'd hard when I remember the post about how the guy want to see Virgilia's move set and was pissed that they only showed her spear spamming

[Anonymous No.]

Ok.
It is set for PC, but what are the chances of a netplay option?

For some reason I kind of have my doubts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505252
Netplay was already confirmed in Ryukishi's blog.

[Anonymous No.]

So in the end fellows anons who doyou think will be the secret character in my opinion it will be any of this seven :

Bern
Lambda
Erika
Kinzo
Maria
Gaap or
Dlanor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505263
I see no Jessica or George.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505263

Erika or Rosa. If it isn't at least one of them I don't give a shit.
I already have my Evatrice with her fucking moe attacks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505263
You forgot George and Jessica, who had fights compared to Bern, Lambda, and Kinzo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505263

I doubt Lambda and Bern because they never fought. I doubt Maria because Sakutaro is part of Ange's moveset already.

If we get 2 secret characters and they keep the team mentality, it's either Kinzo/Gaap or Erika/Dlanor. If we get 3, one of them alone, I'd say we get Kinzo, Gaap and then Dlanor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505284

Jessica and George are unlikely IMO. They would be good additions, but are not secret character material. Furthermore, Lucifer's alt costume already looks like Jessica.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504933
But it's going to suck for netplay, pretty sure there will be laggers using Virgilia and you can't pull off the defencive move in time

[Anonymous No.]

I'd lol so ****ing hard if the secret characters are Zepar and Furfur.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505311
>****ing
Why do you do this faggotry?
Now get out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505311
That would be awesome since for the first time we would see them fight

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505310

Boo-fucking-hoo. Just pick any character that isn't Ronove and spam projectiles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505285
>I doubt Maria because Sakutaro is part of Ange's moveset already.
The Seven Stakes are already being used by three characters, so I don't think that matters. On the other hand, Ange does use Maria's diary as a primary source of her attacks, so making Maria fight differently is still pretty hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505294
But she's not Jessica.
I still think it'll be Jessica/George or Erika/Dlanor. Go more for Jessica/George, but the characters in this game so far have only really been meta excluding Kanon and Shannon which we already know most of their story, so Erika/Dlanor is a bit more likely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505311
>****ing

get the fuck out

[Anonymous No.]

There are at three secret character slots confirmed, not two, with the possibility of a fourth. Empty bottom middle coffin is numbered, characters are numbered up to 13.

erika dlanor and will make it happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505403

3rd secret is possible, but not confirmed. Notice how there's no question mark.

[Anonymous No.]

I think third one is a "Random" option, myself, since there's no question mark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505422
So why is it there in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

Okonogi is a secret character and is also the culprit. Calling it now.

captcha : ridiculous batique

FUCK YOU CAPTCHA FOR RUINING MY GLORIOUS THEORY ;_:

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505424
Maybe the third is a boss-style character than can be unlocked.

[Anonymous No.]

maybe after you unlock all 3 (or at least the two with ?s), the random selection button will appear on the top coffin or something.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else notice that there are roman numerals above the top row of coffins and below the bottom row of coffins, but the one between Battler and Beatrice is a † instead of a number?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505435
But he's Hideyoshi-Jii-san's best business partner/friend! He can't be the culprit!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505451
Jesus is secret character.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone wanna bet Endless Sorcerer Battler will be the character in between Battler and Beato? Either that, or Shannon in Kanon/Beatrice clothing. Shkannontrice, anyone?! ahaha!!

[Anonymous No.]

>cirno racing 2.0

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505466
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505451
It's Kinzo, who else would it be?
Why would they put a side character in a spot like that?
Think about it, it'd be unfitting if someone like Gaap or Maria took that spot.

[Anonymous No.]

It irks me that Endless Sorceror Battler disappears when Battler fights.

I don't know how I'll feel if ES Battler is a different character from normal Battler, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504903
Three secret characters. Look at the numbers. I don't think they would put there 2 "random" choices, especially not with different numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505481
It'd make sense if he had a different moveset. Also, I am kind of sad regular Battler doesn't have an Endless Nine move.

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

I'm going to guess, Erika, Dlanor and Sorceror Battler.

Or, 34, Bern and Sorceror Battler, I don't think of any of the cousins or other relatives will make it.

Or, instead of Sorceror Battler, it could be Lord Goldsmith.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505490
Yeah, but two Battlers? I for one think it's great, now I think about it, but I guess some people won't like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505483
No just 2 because 12 twilights

[Anonymous No.]

For Chiru voice casting issues, Erika at least probably wouldn't be a problem, since they could obviously just use Yukari Tamura again.

For Will, re-using Daisuke Ono is possible for maximum trolling, but I hope not. Dlanor, no clue.

[Anonymous No.]

I really want Maria to be a character.
Also a Lambda popcorn attack would be awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505496
Characters are numbered up to 13

[Anonymous No.]

I'd really love Zepar and Furfur as joke character =D

Ain't happening anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505492

Erika, Dlanor and Kinzo.

I hope it's Erika and not Bern. Erika can use scythe and her duelling pistol and would be more interesting. As well as putting a bag over the opponents head and cutting it off.

[Anonymous No.]

I actually think it is highly possible that there is just one secret character or so, and that the corner '?' would simply stay "random" slots.

It could be the boss of the single player mode or something like that or anything as simple as it.
Then again, if there really were to be more characters unlockable then I could figure the '?' spots to dissapear one by one and when both have dissapeared the "random" option might end up below the cross instead.

But have you thought of how it is also very plausible that they are just fillers of space until later patcher or expansions using more or less the same select screen design?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505503
>=D
>8==D

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505502
12 characters and 1 random
The 2 random slots at the side will become secret characters, and the bottom middle will become random
The top middle is just decoration

[Anonymous No.]

I'd like to try an EVA/410, but I don't know if EVA will be a viable character (with counter moves)

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6505505
If there secret characters there's no point to the coffins. period.

They're even numbered.

Speaking of such, since the upside down cross on the coffin is identical to Battler's tie clip, I would say that could make a case for Endless Sorceror.

Regardless, they're have been games without random buttons, so it might cease to be an option with unlocks.

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6505540
*there are not

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6505540
*they're not

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505540
>If there secret characters there's no point to the coffins. period.
I don't understand your reasoning. It should be
"If there aren't any secret characters, there's no point to the coffins. period.

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6505550
It's early in the morning, so fuck it.

[Anonymous No.]

>Random coffin
I doubt it. Calling it now, there's a button on the keyboard you can press to select a character at random.

[Anonymous No.]

They have been updating that site daily for some time now already, but the game is still one month ahead.

What are they up to?m

[Anonymous No.]

I hope one of the secret characters are Dlanor.
I'd finally get to hear her robotic voice. At least, that's how I've always imagined it to sound.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505248

I was thinking about that guy too. I wonder if >>6505185 is him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505559
And she'd have three moves called -

SENTENCE THE DEATH

DIE THE DEATH

GREAT EQUALISER IS THE DEATH

[Anonymous No.]

>>6504180
Hop on the magic school bus~

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505654
Fuck you magic doesn't exist!

[Anonymous No.]

Put Lambda and Bern in please~

Let Lambda have a special finishing move against Bern in which they get to take a marshmallow bath

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505703
>marshmallow bath
Oh god why'd I get a boner.

[Anonymous No.]

I'd imagine GM Battler is to Battler as Sol Badguy is to Order Sol in Guilty Gear.

Some moves similar, but with different properties. The characters have different stats and weapons, different specials, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6505458
Jesus and Battler vs Lucifer and Beatrice

HEAVEN OR HELL
DUEL 1
LET'S ROCK!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502732
Why does everyone think that because both players are not on the other side of the screen the entire match that it isn't a defensive game?

Anti-airs are so strong in this game that matches revolve around sweep area where people just dance and do nothing, waiting to react to something so they can get an untechable knockdown. Oki isn't even good on this game for most characters. The best option is to safe jump and go for a tick throw or a frame trap (not a lot of characters can get good damage off a frame trap anyway).

Just blocking whatever your opponent throws at you and resetting the match back to neutral is the best overall option in a defensive situation. And because you can crouch tech, you can eliminate many chances to throw while also option select an attack if they decide to do nothing. Why do you think the best rushdown characters have a way to beat crouch tech? Rufus' dive kick destroys crouch tech and is part of the reason why he is such a great rushdown character.

As a Balrog player, most of my matches against actual good opponents are me getting a life lead and then sitting on it if the match turns back to neutral, usig Balrog's great pokes and footsies too make sure that the opponent doesn't get a chance to even get in on me. The only way Balrog gets damage is by throwing, frame trapping with s.HK or catching them off guard with a dash punch.

This also brings another point in that reversals are scary in this game. You really don't want to over extend yourself when playing certain characters because if you do, you could eat a SRK or Messiah Kick into ultra for 50% gone and losing your life lead.

I'm not saying you can't be offensive in the game, but it does cater too more defensive and conservative styles of play.

No use pointing out games help your argument since for every 'offensive' video, i can equally bring up a video which shows someone laming out another player.

[Anonymous No.]

Are they done updating the site now when all the characters have been revealed?

[Anonymous No.]

I really liked EVA beatrice in >>6504903. Really nice moveset. Also, she has airdashes. That made my day.

[Anonymous No.]

So was Ryukishi the one who thought it would be neat with a fighting game, or did some people contact Ryukishi with the idea of one?

What people are involved? I can't see Ryukishi doing anything but dialogues, if even that.